Black Friday: Why bots will beat you to in-demand gifts
26/11/2020 | news | technology | 166
Black Friday and Christmas shopping are here - but it may be harder than ever to snag what you want.
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26/11/2020 12:30:14 21 6
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Welcome to the new Wild West - where no one cares about working, just making a fast buck. Led by our very own Government.

Solutions include - Manufacturers can deliberately included 'duds' to force refunds from scalpers. Exorbitant initial sale price - with pre order vouchers. Genuine buyer id's. Perhaps even a physical store too?
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27/11/2020 22:50:11 0 0
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Good luck getting a refund off a scalper.
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26/11/2020 12:30:16 23 0
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It people being people, those that cannot wait for the next new item, phone, xbox, ps5 or pc components, and so in comes the other type of people those willing to prey on those that have just got to have it...
Could it be stopped of course it could, should it be stopped I really don't know as I have never chased the next thing, my PCs are 6 - 11 years old, the gaming rig is 6 and still plays well
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26/11/2020 15:44:32 13 2
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I remember a time when buying a top of the range graphics card was around £350

Today, that price is more like £1,300
The reason, cryptocurrency mining

So, basically another example of greedy short-sighted morons, ruining it for everyone else, in the name of chasing money
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26/11/2020 12:44:44 31 1
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Why not just limit one item per address/account? Surely that would solve the issue.
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26/11/2020 13:40:29 20 0
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They do. Unfortunately, a lot of these bot owners use multiple accounts, with different shipping addresses and different credit cards.

There are ways of stopping them, but the bots find ways round them.

eBay could take responsibility and remove ads on such resales, or people could simply not buy at inflated prices. Resellers then end up with £100s or £1000s of unsellable stock.
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26/11/2020 15:35:17 0 0
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What if you're some filthy rich landlord with 50 empty houses and multiple businesses with associated creditcards.

In Britain 2020, highly likely
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26/11/2020 12:46:19 103 1
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The only thing worse than the scalpers and bots are the idiots who buy from them. I’ve seen so many PS5s on eBay, selling for £7-800. If everyone resisted and refused to pay the inflated price, there would be no market for the scalpers.
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26/11/2020 13:58:32 32 0
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Unfortunately there are always too many people about with more money than sense.
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26/11/2020 15:32:45 6 1
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While I agree with your sentiment, try telling that to the many organisations who have paid ransom demands to retrieve their encrypted data. They are idiots too, and fuelling the ransomware industry.

The story here is, society doesnt seem to have the tools to combat computer crimes, big, small or unnoticed
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26/11/2020 15:45:19 5 0
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"A fool & his money are soon parted."

Maybe the folks who do this can genuinely afford it, if they can spend £1000 the way I can spend £10 then good luck to them. If not then they really are fools. Nobody seems to be able to tell the difference between a want & a need these days.
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26/11/2020 12:56:34 58 2
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anyone who will pay a fortune for the latest trainers needs therapy not a bot.
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27/11/2020 08:14:34 8 0
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I agree. They need a therapy bot... up the backside.
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26/11/2020 12:59:01 14 0
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I wonder how much tax scalpers are paying...
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26/11/2020 13:34:19 8 0
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... and where the final purchaser w.r.t Guarantee? Or returns on failure? Or updates from manufacturer when they don't know the final owner's details ... etc etc!
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26/11/2020 13:53:51 0 3
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Depends on how much they make just like any other person who pays tax
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27/11/2020 21:16:03 0 0
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12.5k capital gains tax allowance so probably not paying any
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26/11/2020 12:58:16 0 1
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Unbelievable.
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26/11/2020 13:27:59 19 0
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A reminder that for the most part, us plebs with no more than basic IT literacy are powerless, not only against businesses that leverage technology and psychology to extract as much money as they can from us, but also these marginal activities, let alone outright criminality.

Sometimes the only recourse is to step out of the game. We are not competing here for things essential to life.
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26/11/2020 15:25:13 2 8
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"We are not competing here for things essential to life"

What like homes?

If you think you can simply step out of the game, the council will be breathing down your neck as will the hoards of money-hoarding-sociopaths, looking for their rent / mortgage pound of flesh. Living off the backs of others is the name of the game, and capital is what enables this.

Sociopaths, you better learn about them
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26/11/2020 13:21:32 21 10
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These scalpers / tramps or whatever you call them are amongst the worst of humanity deliberately inflating / skyrocketing prices just for the sole purpose of making a profit you should be ashamed of yourselves think of how many little kids are going to be heartbroken as their parents are unable to provide their Christmas presents all because of some greedy parasites (DISGUSTING)
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26/11/2020 13:52:55 16 17
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Why dont you just focus on bigger areas where there are literally drop shippers big pharmatheutical companies reselling drugs etc for higher margins. It's the way of the economy and how supply and demand works. Do you think that Sony's costs are £450 no theyre not everyone is out to make a profit. Also some of us never got these expensive consoles for christmas and kids nowadays are very entitled
Parasite is the perfect description for a lot of "business" people on this planet. Removed
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26/11/2020 17:38:32 0 3
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Unlike my local butcher who, disgracefully, sells a DEAD ANIMAL that he paid LESS than he will charge me. All because I want to EAT FOOD.

He does this for the sole purpose of making a profit, not caring that blah blah blah

You really don't understand the world, do you?
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27/11/2020 02:53:47 2 0
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A better question would be, how many parents could actually afford these presents at their original price. Credit card companies and pawn shops are the real winners.
These scalpers / are terrible people deliberately inflating / skyrocketing prices just for the sole purpose of making a profit you should be ashamed of yourselves think of how many little kids are going to be heartbroken as their parents are unable to provide their Christmas presents all because of some greedy parasites (DISGUSTING) Removed
These scalpers / are amongst their worst of humanity deliberately inflating / skyrocketing prices just for the sole purpose of making a profit you should be ashamed of yourselves think of how many little kids are going to be heartbroken as their parents are unable to provide their Christmas presents all because of some greedy parasites (DISGUSTING) Removed
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26/11/2020 12:59:01 14 0
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I wonder how much tax scalpers are paying...
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26/11/2020 13:34:19 8 0
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... and where the final purchaser w.r.t Guarantee? Or returns on failure? Or updates from manufacturer when they don't know the final owner's details ... etc etc!
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26/11/2020 12:44:44 31 1
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Why not just limit one item per address/account? Surely that would solve the issue.
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26/11/2020 13:40:29 20 0
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They do. Unfortunately, a lot of these bot owners use multiple accounts, with different shipping addresses and different credit cards.

There are ways of stopping them, but the bots find ways round them.

eBay could take responsibility and remove ads on such resales, or people could simply not buy at inflated prices. Resellers then end up with £100s or £1000s of unsellable stock.
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26/11/2020 13:59:29 1 3
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That would ruin their whole way of going round business, the whole site is built upon the reselling of products. Any person can list something and get return but depending on the item theres problems with it. Dont see you complaining about the reselling of cars, pokemon cards, paintings. It is only because you were unable to get one of these.
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26/11/2020 13:21:32 21 10
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These scalpers / tramps or whatever you call them are amongst the worst of humanity deliberately inflating / skyrocketing prices just for the sole purpose of making a profit you should be ashamed of yourselves think of how many little kids are going to be heartbroken as their parents are unable to provide their Christmas presents all because of some greedy parasites (DISGUSTING)
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26/11/2020 13:52:55 16 17
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Why dont you just focus on bigger areas where there are literally drop shippers big pharmatheutical companies reselling drugs etc for higher margins. It's the way of the economy and how supply and demand works. Do you think that Sony's costs are £450 no theyre not everyone is out to make a profit. Also some of us never got these expensive consoles for christmas and kids nowadays are very entitled
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26/11/2020 14:22:42 10 1
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£450 per console probably isn't too far off the mark per console once the years of product R&D are taken into consideration. It's well known Sony, Microsoft & Nintendo make very little from console sales and in the past these have been sold at a loss. Their profit margin is in the games that are sold to play on the consoles.
Sony do not hold the public to ransom to extort the maximum profit.
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26/11/2020 15:21:43 6 0
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Pharma actually invest in R&D to develop (and protect IP) and then charge on THEIR product.

To compare validly pharma, you should compare to (say) Boots buying up ALL of a drug to prevent public sourcing elsewhere and then selling at 4+ times RRP.

Nice try but totally invalid comparison!
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26/11/2020 13:55:40 12 0
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Machines buying machines from machines. It's poetic
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26/11/2020 15:18:46 4 1
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Wait for the "Machines making machines, for machines"
"Billions of humans not required"
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26/11/2020 13:58:04 18 1
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Why don't websites use software to stop bots from buying stuff the software ALREADY exists for example captcha's which is the thing you see when you sign up for a website it is the thing where a bunch of pictures (sometimes blurry) are shown and it mentions that some of the group of pictures have something in common for example they may contain cars and it says click the ones with cars to progress
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26/11/2020 14:01:56 5 0
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Don't you worry bots can take the captcha into account and make the person behind it solve it so its not completely automated and gets around this whole idea of trying to stop it.
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26/11/2020 17:37:15 1 1
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Why would they waste money to male their sales slower? Perhaps they should insit in personal payment in two pence pieces, too?

Does nobody here understand the motivation on the seller is to sell the stuff, not to "sell-but-only-to-primary-users-that-will-not-resell-and-ideally-have-two-sweet-kids-for-xmas-gifts".
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27/11/2020 22:48:58 0 0
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That would make sense if companies literally weren't using capture to train ai to recognise those images, its actually what you doing everytime you conplete one
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26/11/2020 12:46:19 103 1
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The only thing worse than the scalpers and bots are the idiots who buy from them. I’ve seen so many PS5s on eBay, selling for £7-800. If everyone resisted and refused to pay the inflated price, there would be no market for the scalpers.
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26/11/2020 13:58:32 32 0
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Unfortunately there are always too many people about with more money than sense.
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26/11/2020 20:53:54 1 0
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So true, good to see some of the industry trying to help the ones how can afford it but have more sense than money!
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26/11/2020 12:59:01 14 0
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I wonder how much tax scalpers are paying...
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26/11/2020 13:53:51 0 3
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Depends on how much they make just like any other person who pays tax
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26/11/2020 15:29:01 3 0
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"Depends on how much they make just like any other person who pays tax"

I think you'll find the way self-assessment works, if they're even doing that or have declared a business, is they pay tax on what they write in the form

There is nothing stopping organised crime using bots to hoover up high-demand products, using dirty money for their capital. Do you think they're doing a tax return?
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26/11/2020 13:56:02 2 9
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This is how i see it, I am out here trying to make extra money from something but the hate is only focussed when there's people who cannot get something that their kid really wants. Look at big companies such as Stockx and Goat that resell shoes and clothes yet they dont get hate. This is completely due to subjectivity and people being unable to pay the premium for something their kid wants
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26/11/2020 15:17:28 5 1
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If you have a business model, start a business.
Lets call this for what it is, a side hustle, not a business, paying taxes, employing people, etc

These are what we call wideboys
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26/11/2020 18:52:59 0 0
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I have always managed the expectations of my children by not being afraid to say no , they can’t have it when it’s overpriced . By being patient and waiting until prices drop my children actually get more than others .

Never heard of your shoe company , nor do I expect have many normal people
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26/11/2020 13:40:29 20 0
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They do. Unfortunately, a lot of these bot owners use multiple accounts, with different shipping addresses and different credit cards.

There are ways of stopping them, but the bots find ways round them.

eBay could take responsibility and remove ads on such resales, or people could simply not buy at inflated prices. Resellers then end up with £100s or £1000s of unsellable stock.
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26/11/2020 13:59:29 1 3
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That would ruin their whole way of going round business, the whole site is built upon the reselling of products. Any person can list something and get return but depending on the item theres problems with it. Dont see you complaining about the reselling of cars, pokemon cards, paintings. It is only because you were unable to get one of these.
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26/11/2020 14:01:33 1 15
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I’ve got 28 More for sale already made over £20,000
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26/11/2020 14:31:37 9 1
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I assume you'll be paying the required taxes on that profit?
Hope someone buys one from you with the intent of finding out the return address, and then pays you a visit. I could do with some cheering up right now Removed
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26/11/2020 18:48:19 0 0
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And you have , of course , declared this to inland revenue
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26/11/2020 13:58:04 18 1
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Why don't websites use software to stop bots from buying stuff the software ALREADY exists for example captcha's which is the thing you see when you sign up for a website it is the thing where a bunch of pictures (sometimes blurry) are shown and it mentions that some of the group of pictures have something in common for example they may contain cars and it says click the ones with cars to progress
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26/11/2020 14:01:56 5 0
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Don't you worry bots can take the captcha into account and make the person behind it solve it so its not completely automated and gets around this whole idea of trying to stop it.
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26/11/2020 14:12:48 5 0
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There's plenty of anti-fraud technology out there that could be used, cheaply, to make this significantly harder. Plain fact is stated in the article. "On the one hand, you just want to shift the product so who cares if it's a bot or a 'real' customer?" And if you want something enough, you're not going to boycott it, are you? Welcome to capitalism.
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26/11/2020 18:47:23 1 0
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Who cares ? ETHICAL retailers should . I won’t be blackmailed into paying inflated prices ; I am always content to wait until prices fall then I buy and laugh at the mugs who paid too much
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26/11/2020 14:13:52 2 5
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Scalpers are more or less like stock brockers that usually invest in oppressive countries with no human rights, marking up the price of a children`s toy is in keeping with their ways. It`s not the same as killing all the bufflo`s and making the natives walk a death march to cold North Dakota from Florida. Profit is unethical and people usually choose to see that feels good, PS5 made in China !
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26/11/2020 14:28:54 4 2
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So you're also going to complain to tesco for selling you a 70p steak for 3 quid. Your point aims at the whole of the economy which is driven to make a profit without which it would just not function. Without there being an incentive there wouldnt be an competitors and without competitors those that dominate the market would be price setters meaning even higher prices ;)
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26/11/2020 14:29:40 1 2
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Also cant take your point serious when you have the likes of 69 in your name very professional from you!!!!!
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26/11/2020 14:14:58 41 5
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If people are that desperate to get the latest product then I say let them! If that is what it takes for their ego's to be brushed so they can brag about how they got it first, then who is the moron?

I will buy a PS5 after Christmas when there is stock, and the prices lower. Let the impatient and idiotic buy them now at whatever price they are willing to pay.
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26/11/2020 14:46:12 8 4
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It's because of the scalpers that you're having to wait. Inaction will simply lead to two release dates in the future - one for the scalpers and a much later one for genuine buyers.
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26/11/2020 18:42:03 3 0
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I won’t buy one at all because such things don’t interest me . I will be buying a new phone , because my old one is broken , but it won’t be the latest model : I will buy one that I can get for a reasonable price
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27/11/2020 13:17:12 0 0
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Good point. And with some goods, being first to buy means you take the hit if the product still needs some 'development' to get rid of problems.
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26/11/2020 13:52:55 16 17
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Why dont you just focus on bigger areas where there are literally drop shippers big pharmatheutical companies reselling drugs etc for higher margins. It's the way of the economy and how supply and demand works. Do you think that Sony's costs are £450 no theyre not everyone is out to make a profit. Also some of us never got these expensive consoles for christmas and kids nowadays are very entitled
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26/11/2020 14:22:42 10 1
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£450 per console probably isn't too far off the mark per console once the years of product R&D are taken into consideration. It's well known Sony, Microsoft & Nintendo make very little from console sales and in the past these have been sold at a loss. Their profit margin is in the games that are sold to play on the consoles.
Sony do not hold the public to ransom to extort the maximum profit.
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26/11/2020 17:40:01 1 0
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Bloomberg reported that the PS5 costs Sony around $450 to produce.15 Sept 2020

Revenue generated from Sony's game and network services amounted to 20.84 billion U.S. dollars in the company's 2019 fiscal year, making it Sony's largest business segment.9 Sept 2020
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27/11/2020 08:25:43 0 0
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Consoles, is not where Microsoft or Sony, make their money, it is with Games, accessories, and subscriptions to go online. Once they have refined their product, they can look to reduce costs over mass production, once the world and the raw materials recover from covid. Then in 2 years or 18 months they can reduce the price of the consoles.
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26/11/2020 14:13:52 2 5
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Scalpers are more or less like stock brockers that usually invest in oppressive countries with no human rights, marking up the price of a children`s toy is in keeping with their ways. It`s not the same as killing all the bufflo`s and making the natives walk a death march to cold North Dakota from Florida. Profit is unethical and people usually choose to see that feels good, PS5 made in China !
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26/11/2020 14:28:54 4 2
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So you're also going to complain to tesco for selling you a 70p steak for 3 quid. Your point aims at the whole of the economy which is driven to make a profit without which it would just not function. Without there being an incentive there wouldnt be an competitors and without competitors those that dominate the market would be price setters meaning even higher prices ;)
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26/11/2020 15:12:05 2 0
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Dude, if you want to compete, we can compete like animals
I'm quite comfortable eating you, in the name of competition
A few spiced here and there, delicious!
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26/11/2020 15:26:21 2 0
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No I won't complain to Tesco - I'll go to somewhere else where I can get that item.

The store adds value - holding perishable stock (at risk) and making available in real competition.

Scalpers entire business model is to PREVENT the public going directly to manufacturer or a competitor selling at a competitive price.

No price which a multiple of RRP can be defended as competitively priced.
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26/11/2020 14:13:52 2 5
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Scalpers are more or less like stock brockers that usually invest in oppressive countries with no human rights, marking up the price of a children`s toy is in keeping with their ways. It`s not the same as killing all the bufflo`s and making the natives walk a death march to cold North Dakota from Florida. Profit is unethical and people usually choose to see that feels good, PS5 made in China !
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26/11/2020 14:29:40 1 2
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Also cant take your point serious when you have the likes of 69 in your name very professional from you!!!!!
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26/11/2020 14:01:33 1 15
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I’ve got 28 More for sale already made over £20,000
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26/11/2020 14:31:37 9 1
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I assume you'll be paying the required taxes on that profit?
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26/11/2020 17:32:46 0 1
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Why wouldn't they? Even at 50% tax, that's a very healthy return on investment.
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26/11/2020 14:43:18 1 7
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I picked up a PlayStation 5 on Amazon last Thursday lunch time without hassle and it was delivered the next day.

I bought one, but could have bought more as the page was showing as in stock for a good 15 minutes.
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26/11/2020 17:39:11 1 0
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you should be grateful you got it. and not a PS5 with a toaster in it like a lot of people have
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26/11/2020 14:44:10 5 9
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What's the difference between scalpers purchasing an item and then sell at a higher price compared to a shopkeeper going to a wholesaler and doing exactly the same, or indeed the wholesaler buying from the manufacturer and then selling to the shopkeeper?

It's simply another link in the chain with people taking their cut of the profit.

It's simply supply and demand, done quicker using technology.
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26/11/2020 15:02:29 7 1
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I don't think there are any shopkeepers selling PS5s for 250% of the RRP - that would be illegal
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26/11/2020 15:07:44 3 1
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Your analysis is a bit perverted there.
A shop keeper or wholesaler is a single entity, the manufacturer may enforce some logistics to ensure fair distribution of limited stock.

A scalper is basically a sociopath with some shrewd idea of a GET-RICH-QUICK scheme, it's basically their only thought process. From a shopkeepers perspective, these scalpers are 100's or 1000's of individual consumers
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26/11/2020 15:35:02 8 1
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Wholesalers and shopkeepers exist due to a market need for them.

There is no market need for scalpers and there never has been. They add no value. It's the moral equivalent of some stranger standing in the doorway to the shop and demanding £50 to let you go inside.
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26/11/2020 18:32:12 0 0
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The so called scalpers are not part of the supply chain , pay no taxes on their illegal income , and deprive end users of their warranties since the goods are now used and there is no receipt from an authorised vendor . That’s what is wrong with them .
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26/11/2020 14:14:58 41 5
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If people are that desperate to get the latest product then I say let them! If that is what it takes for their ego's to be brushed so they can brag about how they got it first, then who is the moron?

I will buy a PS5 after Christmas when there is stock, and the prices lower. Let the impatient and idiotic buy them now at whatever price they are willing to pay.
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26/11/2020 14:46:12 8 4
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It's because of the scalpers that you're having to wait. Inaction will simply lead to two release dates in the future - one for the scalpers and a much later one for genuine buyers.
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26/11/2020 18:43:26 1 0
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You’ve got that backwards : there will be an in shop release for private , in person shoppers , then a later one for the chancers .
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27/11/2020 09:06:11 2 0
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Nope it's because of the fools who encourage the scalpers to buy up all the stock because they are dumb enough to pay the scalpers rip off pricers...

If they didn't buy off the scalpers those scalpers would soon have no market and wouldn't scoop up stock they can't sell...

Sadly you can't do much about the idiocy of some people who are apparently happy to be ripped off..
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26/11/2020 14:49:39 13 4
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There are 2 problems here

1. Sociopaths with too much money, desperate to harvest even more, because they're sociopaths, and acting like a member of society, pay taxes etc, is not on their list of things they like doing

2. Hipsters with no self-control, desperate to get the latest shiney thing because they got caught up in the hype train (Chooo Chooo!")

Welcome to CAPITALISM
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26/11/2020 17:25:48 3 5
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3rd problem; people that feel compelled to stereotype and pigeon-hole others, and superimpose a bunch of nonsense into that. They are necessarily all tall people, and desparate to count to seventy nine while brushing their teeth. They all wear green socks. Fact.

Oh sorry, i was pretending to be you, choo choo.
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27/11/2020 08:32:11 0 0
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When the 2080ti came out, i did not think it was a major leap ahead of the pascal series 1080ti cards, however the 3090 is a major leap, that generally is what drives alot of ppl. If i had £1500 to spend on a gpu, i would, but being that the 1080ti used to cost £500, and the 2080ti was £1500, and the 3090 £1200+ inflation, prices us out.
There is a simple answer to the money hoarding multi-homed sociopaths.

There are plenty of tactics to combat this

Intercept the goods in-transit, job done

Buy the overpriced thing, claim a fault and determine the return address, send something explosive or infectious, or any other number of things, or just pay them a visit kitted out as a samurai (those dudes understood honor, a great teacher)
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26/11/2020 14:44:10 5 9
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What's the difference between scalpers purchasing an item and then sell at a higher price compared to a shopkeeper going to a wholesaler and doing exactly the same, or indeed the wholesaler buying from the manufacturer and then selling to the shopkeeper?

It's simply another link in the chain with people taking their cut of the profit.

It's simply supply and demand, done quicker using technology.
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26/11/2020 15:02:29 7 1
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I don't think there are any shopkeepers selling PS5s for 250% of the RRP - that would be illegal
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26/11/2020 15:16:58 3 1
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It may be immoral or questionable business sense, but it certainly isn't illegal. They can charge whatever margin they like, but tend to be in competition with other retailers, which generally keeps the price in check.
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26/11/2020 17:27:23 0 1
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Illegal? On which planet??

Perhaps if you knew what "market" and "recommended" mean, then have a quick look at the laws that absolutely do not put a cap on uplift, margins, profit, you can report back which law it is.
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26/11/2020 15:04:12 22 1
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Robots make it, Bots sell it, Bots buy it.
No room for humans in this brave new bot world.
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26/11/2020 15:57:32 10 2
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"ppl r meant to be loved
things are meant to be used"

the world is in turmoil, because
"people r being used, and
things are being loved"

like any advert with the name "love" in the slogan. which is...all of them.
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27/11/2020 06:17:19 2 0
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Yes there’s room for humans. At the end of the chain - to pay twice the retail price....
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26/11/2020 14:44:10 5 9
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What's the difference between scalpers purchasing an item and then sell at a higher price compared to a shopkeeper going to a wholesaler and doing exactly the same, or indeed the wholesaler buying from the manufacturer and then selling to the shopkeeper?

It's simply another link in the chain with people taking their cut of the profit.

It's simply supply and demand, done quicker using technology.
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26/11/2020 15:07:44 3 1
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Your analysis is a bit perverted there.
A shop keeper or wholesaler is a single entity, the manufacturer may enforce some logistics to ensure fair distribution of limited stock.

A scalper is basically a sociopath with some shrewd idea of a GET-RICH-QUICK scheme, it's basically their only thought process. From a shopkeepers perspective, these scalpers are 100's or 1000's of individual consumers
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JT
26/11/2020 15:33:27 3 3
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Not sociopaths. Just people using initiative and adopting new technology before the market adapts. No different to using horses or machines in farming for the first time to out compete other farmers, or manufacturers using machines to build things instead of manual labour, or amazon using the internet to sell books more cheaply. People don't like it because it makes them them feel inferior.
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26/11/2020 14:28:54 4 2
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So you're also going to complain to tesco for selling you a 70p steak for 3 quid. Your point aims at the whole of the economy which is driven to make a profit without which it would just not function. Without there being an incentive there wouldnt be an competitors and without competitors those that dominate the market would be price setters meaning even higher prices ;)
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26/11/2020 15:12:05 2 0
bbc
Dude, if you want to compete, we can compete like animals
I'm quite comfortable eating you, in the name of competition
A few spiced here and there, delicious!
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26/11/2020 14:01:33 1 15
bbc
I’ve got 28 More for sale already made over £20,000
Hope someone buys one from you with the intent of finding out the return address, and then pays you a visit. I could do with some cheering up right now Removed
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26/11/2020 15:02:29 7 1
bbc
I don't think there are any shopkeepers selling PS5s for 250% of the RRP - that would be illegal
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JT
26/11/2020 15:16:58 3 1
bbc
It may be immoral or questionable business sense, but it certainly isn't illegal. They can charge whatever margin they like, but tend to be in competition with other retailers, which generally keeps the price in check.
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26/11/2020 13:56:02 2 9
bbc
This is how i see it, I am out here trying to make extra money from something but the hate is only focussed when there's people who cannot get something that their kid really wants. Look at big companies such as Stockx and Goat that resell shoes and clothes yet they dont get hate. This is completely due to subjectivity and people being unable to pay the premium for something their kid wants
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26/11/2020 15:17:28 5 1
bbc
If you have a business model, start a business.
Lets call this for what it is, a side hustle, not a business, paying taxes, employing people, etc

These are what we call wideboys
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26/11/2020 17:35:11 0 0
bbc
As they do have a business model, and have started a business, employing people, selling a service to their customers, what's your problem?

Traders use bots to buy stocks, trade forex... been doing that for decades. Does anyone complain their shares in XYZ went up 0.001% because another buyer got there before them? Of course not.
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26/11/2020 18:53:30 0 0
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Arthur Daley types
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26/11/2020 13:55:40 12 0
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Machines buying machines from machines. It's poetic
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26/11/2020 15:18:46 4 1
bbc
Wait for the "Machines making machines, for machines"
"Billions of humans not required"
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26/11/2020 20:08:15 0 0
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who provides the raw materials and electricity bill?
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27/11/2020 08:20:50 0 0
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70% of all work can be now self-automated, with just creativity based jobs needed and skilled operators of machines. They haven't implemented them yet at grand scale since people would riot. But slowly as you self scan your supermarket basket or trolley, use online services, you come to realise humans; especially at the low skilled levels, are needed.
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26/11/2020 13:21:32 21 10
bbc
These scalpers / tramps or whatever you call them are amongst the worst of humanity deliberately inflating / skyrocketing prices just for the sole purpose of making a profit you should be ashamed of yourselves think of how many little kids are going to be heartbroken as their parents are unable to provide their Christmas presents all because of some greedy parasites (DISGUSTING)
Parasite is the perfect description for a lot of "business" people on this planet. Removed
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26/11/2020 13:52:55 16 17
bbc
Why dont you just focus on bigger areas where there are literally drop shippers big pharmatheutical companies reselling drugs etc for higher margins. It's the way of the economy and how supply and demand works. Do you think that Sony's costs are £450 no theyre not everyone is out to make a profit. Also some of us never got these expensive consoles for christmas and kids nowadays are very entitled
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26/11/2020 15:21:43 6 0
bbc
Pharma actually invest in R&D to develop (and protect IP) and then charge on THEIR product.

To compare validly pharma, you should compare to (say) Boots buying up ALL of a drug to prevent public sourcing elsewhere and then selling at 4+ times RRP.

Nice try but totally invalid comparison!
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26/11/2020 19:58:59 3 0
bbc
Stop talking sense. You will confuse people.
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27/11/2020 08:28:17 0 0
bbc
Thats correct; big pharma spend $billions on R&D, and some drugs don't even make it to market. So when a patent like Pfizer had on the drug 'Lyrica', they have to make as much as possible for like 5 years, before it becomes generic and then you can get it cheaper with local brands.
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26/11/2020 13:27:59 19 0
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A reminder that for the most part, us plebs with no more than basic IT literacy are powerless, not only against businesses that leverage technology and psychology to extract as much money as they can from us, but also these marginal activities, let alone outright criminality.

Sometimes the only recourse is to step out of the game. We are not competing here for things essential to life.
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26/11/2020 15:25:13 2 8
bbc
"We are not competing here for things essential to life"

What like homes?

If you think you can simply step out of the game, the council will be breathing down your neck as will the hoards of money-hoarding-sociopaths, looking for their rent / mortgage pound of flesh. Living off the backs of others is the name of the game, and capital is what enables this.

Sociopaths, you better learn about them
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26/11/2020 14:28:54 4 2
bbc
So you're also going to complain to tesco for selling you a 70p steak for 3 quid. Your point aims at the whole of the economy which is driven to make a profit without which it would just not function. Without there being an incentive there wouldnt be an competitors and without competitors those that dominate the market would be price setters meaning even higher prices ;)
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26/11/2020 15:26:21 2 0
bbc
No I won't complain to Tesco - I'll go to somewhere else where I can get that item.

The store adds value - holding perishable stock (at risk) and making available in real competition.

Scalpers entire business model is to PREVENT the public going directly to manufacturer or a competitor selling at a competitive price.

No price which a multiple of RRP can be defended as competitively priced.
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26/11/2020 13:53:51 0 3
bbc
Depends on how much they make just like any other person who pays tax
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26/11/2020 15:29:01 3 0
bbc
"Depends on how much they make just like any other person who pays tax"

I think you'll find the way self-assessment works, if they're even doing that or have declared a business, is they pay tax on what they write in the form

There is nothing stopping organised crime using bots to hoover up high-demand products, using dirty money for their capital. Do you think they're doing a tax return?
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26/11/2020 16:25:35 0 0
bbc
I'm assuming that you're trying to imply using bots to buy high value items online could be used as a form of money laundering by criminals?? If so, maybe try Googling how money-laundering actually works; as simply buying things online does NOT constitute money-laundering!
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26/11/2020 12:46:19 103 1
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The only thing worse than the scalpers and bots are the idiots who buy from them. I’ve seen so many PS5s on eBay, selling for £7-800. If everyone resisted and refused to pay the inflated price, there would be no market for the scalpers.
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26/11/2020 15:32:45 6 1
bbc
While I agree with your sentiment, try telling that to the many organisations who have paid ransom demands to retrieve their encrypted data. They are idiots too, and fuelling the ransomware industry.

The story here is, society doesnt seem to have the tools to combat computer crimes, big, small or unnoticed
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26/11/2020 15:07:44 3 1
bbc
Your analysis is a bit perverted there.
A shop keeper or wholesaler is a single entity, the manufacturer may enforce some logistics to ensure fair distribution of limited stock.

A scalper is basically a sociopath with some shrewd idea of a GET-RICH-QUICK scheme, it's basically their only thought process. From a shopkeepers perspective, these scalpers are 100's or 1000's of individual consumers
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JT
26/11/2020 15:33:27 3 3
bbc
Not sociopaths. Just people using initiative and adopting new technology before the market adapts. No different to using horses or machines in farming for the first time to out compete other farmers, or manufacturers using machines to build things instead of manual labour, or amazon using the internet to sell books more cheaply. People don't like it because it makes them them feel inferior.
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26/11/2020 15:40:49 6 1
bbc
In all those examples you gave the success of the new technique came from being able to make things easier, quicker and cheaper. That's progress.
Scalpers make things harder, more complex and more expensive. That's not progress. It's someone finding a way to forcibly insert themselves into the supply chain when there is no market need for them and then garnishing a super-profit for no added value.
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26/11/2020 18:34:56 0 0
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Except they are breaking the law when they fail to pay taxes on their profits .
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26/11/2020 14:44:10 5 9
bbc
What's the difference between scalpers purchasing an item and then sell at a higher price compared to a shopkeeper going to a wholesaler and doing exactly the same, or indeed the wholesaler buying from the manufacturer and then selling to the shopkeeper?

It's simply another link in the chain with people taking their cut of the profit.

It's simply supply and demand, done quicker using technology.
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26/11/2020 15:35:02 8 1
bbc
Wholesalers and shopkeepers exist due to a market need for them.

There is no market need for scalpers and there never has been. They add no value. It's the moral equivalent of some stranger standing in the doorway to the shop and demanding £50 to let you go inside.
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26/11/2020 17:30:44 0 2
bbc
The scalper isn't being advertised here as a recommendation, although you do seem to think it is.

The scalper buys something and then sells it again for more than they paid. Unlike a shop, which buys something and then sells it again for more than they paid.

Neither ADD value, they EXTRACT value and call it into something called PROFIT.

Ever been to a concert? They charge to let you in...
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26/11/2020 15:35:08 0 7
bbc
why don't apple and facebook like each other? because facebook is arrogant and insecure.

arrogant: 2 billion users
insecure: the 'x' button will close the window
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26/11/2020 18:28:15 0 0
bbc
Your comment makes no sense at all
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26/11/2020 12:44:44 31 1
bbc
Why not just limit one item per address/account? Surely that would solve the issue.
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26/11/2020 15:35:17 0 0
bbc
What if you're some filthy rich landlord with 50 empty houses and multiple businesses with associated creditcards.

In Britain 2020, highly likely
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26/11/2020 16:48:21 1 0
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If you're already filthy rich, why go to the bother?
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JT
26/11/2020 15:33:27 3 3
bbc
Not sociopaths. Just people using initiative and adopting new technology before the market adapts. No different to using horses or machines in farming for the first time to out compete other farmers, or manufacturers using machines to build things instead of manual labour, or amazon using the internet to sell books more cheaply. People don't like it because it makes them them feel inferior.
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26/11/2020 15:40:49 6 1
bbc
In all those examples you gave the success of the new technique came from being able to make things easier, quicker and cheaper. That's progress.
Scalpers make things harder, more complex and more expensive. That's not progress. It's someone finding a way to forcibly insert themselves into the supply chain when there is no market need for them and then garnishing a super-profit for no added value.
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26/11/2020 15:43:22 20 2
bbc
I've never wanted anything enough to:

queue for it for more than 5 minutes
insist on having it the day of/after launch
pay over the odds to a wideboy reseller

I see no reason to envy or emulate the folks who are prepared to do all these things.

Just let the fuss die down, see whether the product lives up to the hype, then buy at a reasonable price without having to jump through hoops to do it.
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Ean
26/11/2020 17:05:44 5 1
bbc
That's what I always thought. A bit of patience can save a great deal of headache.
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26/11/2020 12:30:16 23 0
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It people being people, those that cannot wait for the next new item, phone, xbox, ps5 or pc components, and so in comes the other type of people those willing to prey on those that have just got to have it...
Could it be stopped of course it could, should it be stopped I really don't know as I have never chased the next thing, my PCs are 6 - 11 years old, the gaming rig is 6 and still plays well
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26/11/2020 15:44:32 13 2
bbc
I remember a time when buying a top of the range graphics card was around £350

Today, that price is more like £1,300
The reason, cryptocurrency mining

So, basically another example of greedy short-sighted morons, ruining it for everyone else, in the name of chasing money
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26/11/2020 12:46:19 103 1
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The only thing worse than the scalpers and bots are the idiots who buy from them. I’ve seen so many PS5s on eBay, selling for £7-800. If everyone resisted and refused to pay the inflated price, there would be no market for the scalpers.
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26/11/2020 15:45:19 5 0
bbc
"A fool & his money are soon parted."

Maybe the folks who do this can genuinely afford it, if they can spend £1000 the way I can spend £10 then good luck to them. If not then they really are fools. Nobody seems to be able to tell the difference between a want & a need these days.
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26/11/2020 15:46:29 4 3
bbc
Perhaps some things would be best just being sold physically in shops, and not online at all.
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26/11/2020 16:12:02 6 1
bbc
There's a pandemic on, in case you'd missed that.
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26/11/2020 17:23:34 0 2
bbc
Perhaps vendor has no reason to care, because their job is to sell the product. The supplier has no reason to care, same reason. The manufacturer, ditto.

By all means, boycott the online shops & resellers. But until everyone else does, you'll just have to go without.

Apparently, all this buying and selling at a profit is called a market economy; red in tooth and claw, and good only for the few
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26/11/2020 15:04:12 22 1
bbc
Robots make it, Bots sell it, Bots buy it.
No room for humans in this brave new bot world.
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26/11/2020 15:57:32 10 2
bbc
"ppl r meant to be loved
things are meant to be used"

the world is in turmoil, because
"people r being used, and
things are being loved"

like any advert with the name "love" in the slogan. which is...all of them.
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26/11/2020 15:58:47 9 1
bbc
I tried to buy a bot online but the website had too many customers to cope.
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26/11/2020 16:07:49 6 11
bbc
Fools and their money.

All because they want the latest fad at whatever the cost.

And then it's "Please Mr Chancellor we need more money"
Boo-hoo "Furlough me more. NOW !!"
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26/11/2020 16:11:28 11 2
bbc
Did you even read the article? Who are you to judge what people should and shouldn't buy? What a leap from trying to buy a console for yourself or your family to wining because you don't have a job. What a nasty, cynical thought you chose to put out into the world today.
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26/11/2020 16:07:49 6 11
bbc
Fools and their money.

All because they want the latest fad at whatever the cost.

And then it's "Please Mr Chancellor we need more money"
Boo-hoo "Furlough me more. NOW !!"
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26/11/2020 16:11:28 11 2
bbc
Did you even read the article? Who are you to judge what people should and shouldn't buy? What a leap from trying to buy a console for yourself or your family to wining because you don't have a job. What a nasty, cynical thought you chose to put out into the world today.
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26/11/2020 17:21:18 0 1
bbc
Was there an article?

All I saw was an open HYS and my programmer had set me to insert nasty right wing spite based on the repeated lies that my programmers tell the gullible all day every day.

Oddly enough, it wins elections.
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26/11/2020 17:56:53 0 0
bbc
a) people learn it is better not to read the article
b) do you know how hys works?
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26/11/2020 15:46:29 4 3
bbc
Perhaps some things would be best just being sold physically in shops, and not online at all.
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26/11/2020 16:12:02 6 1
bbc
There's a pandemic on, in case you'd missed that.
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26/11/2020 18:26:14 0 0
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Plenty of shops ARE open and observing queuing , social distancing , mask wearing etc . Currys , for example .
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26/11/2020 15:29:01 3 0
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"Depends on how much they make just like any other person who pays tax"

I think you'll find the way self-assessment works, if they're even doing that or have declared a business, is they pay tax on what they write in the form

There is nothing stopping organised crime using bots to hoover up high-demand products, using dirty money for their capital. Do you think they're doing a tax return?
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26/11/2020 16:25:35 0 0
bbc
I'm assuming that you're trying to imply using bots to buy high value items online could be used as a form of money laundering by criminals?? If so, maybe try Googling how money-laundering actually works; as simply buying things online does NOT constitute money-laundering!
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26/11/2020 16:30:58 4 0
bbc
Its just old fashioned greed. Exploiting a situation in which the buyer has no interest just to make a buck from someone who does but doesn't have the bot to get it first. he days of the Brits being the best at queuing are long gone clearly.
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26/11/2020 18:22:33 0 0
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The shops could easily combat this by only selling so many items online and letting personal shoppers have first availability in their branches
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26/11/2020 16:37:14 21 2
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There is a really simple solution to this. If people just stopped buying things at elevated prices off eBay, the scalpers would be left with loads of stock they can't shift, and would stop doing it.
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26/11/2020 16:49:13 19 2
bbc
unfortunately we live in a world of morons
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26/11/2020 17:52:17 0 0
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simply put, I agree that it is simply simple. and to put it simply, that is as simple as you can make it.
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26/11/2020 16:38:49 10 3
bbc
Do yourself and the planet a favour. Stop buying stuff just because someone else tells you to. If you need it, you'll think of it yourself.
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26/11/2020 21:10:08 1 0
bbc
its quite irritating the number of products I want to buy, that don't exist
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26/11/2020 15:35:17 0 0
bbc
What if you're some filthy rich landlord with 50 empty houses and multiple businesses with associated creditcards.

In Britain 2020, highly likely
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26/11/2020 16:48:21 1 0
bbc
If you're already filthy rich, why go to the bother?
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27/11/2020 07:00:00 1 0
bbc
Greed maybe???
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26/11/2020 17:01:12 5 2
bbc
It would appear to be missed by many of the "Just don't buy it" crowd, that many families have children who only want a PlayStation for Christmas. This type of "Scalping gives Ebay huge profits from hard working families. On the day after launch there were over 2800 separate ads for PS5s at inflated prices. Some of those ads had over 10 items to sell. Ebay makes sales and paypal profit on each.
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26/11/2020 16:46:19 10 0
bbc
if ebay didnt allow the sale of ps5's for example until 6 months later after release then the scalpers wouldnt have much of a platform.. by which they would only be able to sell them at cost or less... rather buy a new one from currys than 88.2% joe ebay
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26/11/2020 23:54:16 4 0
bbc
You are assuming ebay actually cares. All they are interested in is making money. As long as it remains legal to scalp, ebay will allow it and cream off the percentage they charge per sale. Hell, they basically encorage it.
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26/11/2020 16:37:14 21 2
bbc
There is a really simple solution to this. If people just stopped buying things at elevated prices off eBay, the scalpers would be left with loads of stock they can't shift, and would stop doing it.
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26/11/2020 16:49:13 19 2
bbc
unfortunately we live in a world of morons
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New
26/11/2020 17:33:09 1 0
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Not just morons unfortunately. If you're rich, it doesn't matter if you pay £500 or £1,000 for the latest console or trainers. You just want it. There will always be a level of demand for such items.
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26/11/2020 17:52:38 0 0
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but only the best ones are on hys
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26/11/2020 17:05:27 9 2
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Ebay are the real villains promoting the reseller culture, for their own profit. Ebay make more profit on a resale that Sony or legitimate retailers make on the original sale. Ebay then avoid paying the taxes your high street store pay to run a shop or business. Taking wheelbarrow loads of hard working families cash to off-shore tax havens.
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26/11/2020 21:09:34 2 1
bbc
the main problem with ebay, is that they have no competition
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27/11/2020 02:58:19 0 0
bbc
Then don't use Ebay, and educate your children better so they don't grow up to be the next lot of morons that complain companies don't pay what you think is the right amount of tax, yet continue to feed the problem by using them.
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26/11/2020 12:46:19 103 1
bbc
The only thing worse than the scalpers and bots are the idiots who buy from them. I’ve seen so many PS5s on eBay, selling for £7-800. If everyone resisted and refused to pay the inflated price, there would be no market for the scalpers.
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bbc
Removed
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26/11/2020 15:43:22 20 2
bbc
I've never wanted anything enough to:

queue for it for more than 5 minutes
insist on having it the day of/after launch
pay over the odds to a wideboy reseller

I see no reason to envy or emulate the folks who are prepared to do all these things.

Just let the fuss die down, see whether the product lives up to the hype, then buy at a reasonable price without having to jump through hoops to do it.
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Ean
26/11/2020 17:05:44 5 1
bbc
That's what I always thought. A bit of patience can save a great deal of headache.
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26/11/2020 16:11:28 11 2
bbc
Did you even read the article? Who are you to judge what people should and shouldn't buy? What a leap from trying to buy a console for yourself or your family to wining because you don't have a job. What a nasty, cynical thought you chose to put out into the world today.
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26/11/2020 17:21:18 0 1
bbc
Was there an article?

All I saw was an open HYS and my programmer had set me to insert nasty right wing spite based on the repeated lies that my programmers tell the gullible all day every day.

Oddly enough, it wins elections.
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26/11/2020 15:46:29 4 3
bbc
Perhaps some things would be best just being sold physically in shops, and not online at all.
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26/11/2020 17:23:34 0 2
bbc
Perhaps vendor has no reason to care, because their job is to sell the product. The supplier has no reason to care, same reason. The manufacturer, ditto.

By all means, boycott the online shops & resellers. But until everyone else does, you'll just have to go without.

Apparently, all this buying and selling at a profit is called a market economy; red in tooth and claw, and good only for the few
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26/11/2020 14:49:39 13 4
bbc
There are 2 problems here

1. Sociopaths with too much money, desperate to harvest even more, because they're sociopaths, and acting like a member of society, pay taxes etc, is not on their list of things they like doing

2. Hipsters with no self-control, desperate to get the latest shiney thing because they got caught up in the hype train (Chooo Chooo!")

Welcome to CAPITALISM
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26/11/2020 17:25:48 3 5
bbc
3rd problem; people that feel compelled to stereotype and pigeon-hole others, and superimpose a bunch of nonsense into that. They are necessarily all tall people, and desparate to count to seventy nine while brushing their teeth. They all wear green socks. Fact.

Oh sorry, i was pretending to be you, choo choo.
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26/11/2020 15:02:29 7 1
bbc
I don't think there are any shopkeepers selling PS5s for 250% of the RRP - that would be illegal
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26/11/2020 17:27:23 0 1
bbc
Illegal? On which planet??

Perhaps if you knew what "market" and "recommended" mean, then have a quick look at the laws that absolutely do not put a cap on uplift, margins, profit, you can report back which law it is.
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26/11/2020 18:37:36 0 0
bbc
Clearly you never heard of resale price maintenance
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26/11/2020 15:35:02 8 1
bbc
Wholesalers and shopkeepers exist due to a market need for them.

There is no market need for scalpers and there never has been. They add no value. It's the moral equivalent of some stranger standing in the doorway to the shop and demanding £50 to let you go inside.
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26/11/2020 17:30:44 0 2
bbc
The scalper isn't being advertised here as a recommendation, although you do seem to think it is.

The scalper buys something and then sells it again for more than they paid. Unlike a shop, which buys something and then sells it again for more than they paid.

Neither ADD value, they EXTRACT value and call it into something called PROFIT.

Ever been to a concert? They charge to let you in...
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26/11/2020 18:39:09 0 0
bbc
The difference between scalpers and retailers is they pay no taxes .

Some concerts are free
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26/11/2020 17:31:34 5 0
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There's no incentive for big retailers (Amazon, Game, Currys, etc. in this case) to prevent bots. Their suppliers won't allow them to sell at above list price, so they want to sell as many units as possible. They don't want warehouses full of stock, so they allow the bots. I agree that a 6-month moratorium on certain products on Ebay would be a good start.
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AJS
26/11/2020 17:53:48 2 0
bbc
That said, the approach of plopping £2k on the top looks an excellent one (other than confusion for shoppers) - especially if someone's bot accidentally bought a hundred at the full price. Alas a refund would probably have been allowed, but still it would have been funny
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26/11/2020 14:31:37 9 1
bbc
I assume you'll be paying the required taxes on that profit?
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26/11/2020 17:32:46 0 1
bbc
Why wouldn't they? Even at 50% tax, that's a very healthy return on investment.
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26/11/2020 18:49:17 0 0
bbc
Because odious , dishonest people rarely do - look at Trump
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26/11/2020 16:49:13 19 2
bbc
unfortunately we live in a world of morons
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New
26/11/2020 17:33:09 1 0
bbc
Not just morons unfortunately. If you're rich, it doesn't matter if you pay £500 or £1,000 for the latest console or trainers. You just want it. There will always be a level of demand for such items.
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26/11/2020 17:33:49 11 2
bbc
personally anybody wants to pay £1000+ for a £449 console needs head testing. To be honest the same thing happening with PS3 and PS4 create amazing console limit the availability and shock story people are cashing in it.
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27/11/2020 08:15:59 0 0
bbc
i bought the PS4 on release date, when Selfridges in London had its own HMV inside it. The problem is there isn't enough silicon chips to go round. What with TSMC's (taiwan) making the world's CPUs for mobile phones, Amd's new Zen 3 chips, Nvidia's Ampere Gpus, Amd's Gpu's, Both Xbox and PS5. + Covid, has meant less production; less stock of everything.
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26/11/2020 15:17:28 5 1
bbc
If you have a business model, start a business.
Lets call this for what it is, a side hustle, not a business, paying taxes, employing people, etc

These are what we call wideboys
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26/11/2020 17:35:11 0 0
bbc
As they do have a business model, and have started a business, employing people, selling a service to their customers, what's your problem?

Traders use bots to buy stocks, trade forex... been doing that for decades. Does anyone complain their shares in XYZ went up 0.001% because another buyer got there before them? Of course not.
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Z-S
26/11/2020 13:58:04 18 1
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Why don't websites use software to stop bots from buying stuff the software ALREADY exists for example captcha's which is the thing you see when you sign up for a website it is the thing where a bunch of pictures (sometimes blurry) are shown and it mentions that some of the group of pictures have something in common for example they may contain cars and it says click the ones with cars to progress
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26/11/2020 17:37:15 1 1
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Why would they waste money to male their sales slower? Perhaps they should insit in personal payment in two pence pieces, too?

Does nobody here understand the motivation on the seller is to sell the stuff, not to "sell-but-only-to-primary-users-that-will-not-resell-and-ideally-have-two-sweet-kids-for-xmas-gifts".
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26/11/2020 18:59:26 1 0
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When the end users refuse to buy from grey market con artists then it will all stop . Motivation for the sellers should be to have happy customers.

Sometimes the American idea of rebates which can only be claimed by genuine customers submitting part of the packaging and sending in the original ( not photocopy ) of the retailers receipt is not as daft as it seems .
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26/11/2020 13:21:32 21 10
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These scalpers / tramps or whatever you call them are amongst the worst of humanity deliberately inflating / skyrocketing prices just for the sole purpose of making a profit you should be ashamed of yourselves think of how many little kids are going to be heartbroken as their parents are unable to provide their Christmas presents all because of some greedy parasites (DISGUSTING)
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26/11/2020 17:38:32 0 3
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Unlike my local butcher who, disgracefully, sells a DEAD ANIMAL that he paid LESS than he will charge me. All because I want to EAT FOOD.

He does this for the sole purpose of making a profit, not caring that blah blah blah

You really don't understand the world, do you?
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26/11/2020 14:43:18 1 7
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I picked up a PlayStation 5 on Amazon last Thursday lunch time without hassle and it was delivered the next day.

I bought one, but could have bought more as the page was showing as in stock for a good 15 minutes.
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26/11/2020 17:39:11 1 0
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you should be grateful you got it. and not a PS5 with a toaster in it like a lot of people have
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26/11/2020 14:22:42 10 1
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£450 per console probably isn't too far off the mark per console once the years of product R&D are taken into consideration. It's well known Sony, Microsoft & Nintendo make very little from console sales and in the past these have been sold at a loss. Their profit margin is in the games that are sold to play on the consoles.
Sony do not hold the public to ransom to extort the maximum profit.
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26/11/2020 17:40:01 1 0
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Bloomberg reported that the PS5 costs Sony around $450 to produce.15 Sept 2020

Revenue generated from Sony's game and network services amounted to 20.84 billion U.S. dollars in the company's 2019 fiscal year, making it Sony's largest business segment.9 Sept 2020
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di
26/11/2020 17:52:00 4 1
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If you are daft enough to pay over the odds for items that's your fault.. my boys grew up knowing that if there was something they realy wanted and it was only at crazy prices or sold out...waiting until the new year for it was worth it . the difference between getting what they wanted later or just not getting it at all..
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26/11/2020 16:37:14 21 2
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There is a really simple solution to this. If people just stopped buying things at elevated prices off eBay, the scalpers would be left with loads of stock they can't shift, and would stop doing it.
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26/11/2020 17:52:17 0 0
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simply put, I agree that it is simply simple. and to put it simply, that is as simple as you can make it.
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26/11/2020 16:49:13 19 2
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unfortunately we live in a world of morons
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26/11/2020 17:52:38 0 0
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but only the best ones are on hys
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New
26/11/2020 17:31:34 5 0
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There's no incentive for big retailers (Amazon, Game, Currys, etc. in this case) to prevent bots. Their suppliers won't allow them to sell at above list price, so they want to sell as many units as possible. They don't want warehouses full of stock, so they allow the bots. I agree that a 6-month moratorium on certain products on Ebay would be a good start.
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AJS
26/11/2020 17:53:48 2 0
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That said, the approach of plopping £2k on the top looks an excellent one (other than confusion for shoppers) - especially if someone's bot accidentally bought a hundred at the full price. Alas a refund would probably have been allowed, but still it would have been funny
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26/11/2020 16:11:28 11 2
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Did you even read the article? Who are you to judge what people should and shouldn't buy? What a leap from trying to buy a console for yourself or your family to wining because you don't have a job. What a nasty, cynical thought you chose to put out into the world today.
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26/11/2020 17:56:53 0 0
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a) people learn it is better not to read the article
b) do you know how hys works?
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26/11/2020 16:30:58 4 0
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Its just old fashioned greed. Exploiting a situation in which the buyer has no interest just to make a buck from someone who does but doesn't have the bot to get it first. he days of the Brits being the best at queuing are long gone clearly.
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26/11/2020 18:22:33 0 0
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The shops could easily combat this by only selling so many items online and letting personal shoppers have first availability in their branches
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26/11/2020 16:12:02 6 1
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There's a pandemic on, in case you'd missed that.
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26/11/2020 18:26:14 0 0
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Plenty of shops ARE open and observing queuing , social distancing , mask wearing etc . Currys , for example .
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26/11/2020 15:35:08 0 7
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why don't apple and facebook like each other? because facebook is arrogant and insecure.

arrogant: 2 billion users
insecure: the 'x' button will close the window
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26/11/2020 18:28:15 0 0
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Your comment makes no sense at all
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26/11/2020 14:44:10 5 9
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What's the difference between scalpers purchasing an item and then sell at a higher price compared to a shopkeeper going to a wholesaler and doing exactly the same, or indeed the wholesaler buying from the manufacturer and then selling to the shopkeeper?

It's simply another link in the chain with people taking their cut of the profit.

It's simply supply and demand, done quicker using technology.
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26/11/2020 18:32:12 0 0
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The so called scalpers are not part of the supply chain , pay no taxes on their illegal income , and deprive end users of their warranties since the goods are now used and there is no receipt from an authorised vendor . That’s what is wrong with them .
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JT
26/11/2020 15:33:27 3 3
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Not sociopaths. Just people using initiative and adopting new technology before the market adapts. No different to using horses or machines in farming for the first time to out compete other farmers, or manufacturers using machines to build things instead of manual labour, or amazon using the internet to sell books more cheaply. People don't like it because it makes them them feel inferior.
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26/11/2020 18:34:56 0 0
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Except they are breaking the law when they fail to pay taxes on their profits .
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26/11/2020 17:27:23 0 1
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Illegal? On which planet??

Perhaps if you knew what "market" and "recommended" mean, then have a quick look at the laws that absolutely do not put a cap on uplift, margins, profit, you can report back which law it is.
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26/11/2020 18:37:36 0 0
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Clearly you never heard of resale price maintenance
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26/11/2020 17:30:44 0 2
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The scalper isn't being advertised here as a recommendation, although you do seem to think it is.

The scalper buys something and then sells it again for more than they paid. Unlike a shop, which buys something and then sells it again for more than they paid.

Neither ADD value, they EXTRACT value and call it into something called PROFIT.

Ever been to a concert? They charge to let you in...
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26/11/2020 18:39:09 0 0
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The difference between scalpers and retailers is they pay no taxes .

Some concerts are free
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26/11/2020 18:41:55 1 0
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I just had my PS5 order cancelled and I've pretty much given up hope of getting one for Christmas. I'm alright with waiting until they are regularly available next year, patience is a virtue