Climate change: Temperature analysis shows UN goals 'within reach'
01/12/2020 | news | science | 483
Moves by China, along with the election of Joe Biden, make temperature targets more achievable.
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01/12/2020 11:07:43 34 3
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Good, but concentrate on removing coal first. No-one should be building a new coal plant at this point.
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01/12/2020 11:23:05 29 7
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tell that to the Germans
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01/12/2020 11:31:16 4 8
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The problem is coal is the most efficent fuel provided, and "greener" fuels like hydrogen would require a massive change in infrastructure for the entire world and other renewables just have to many negatives, like only can work in X to Y conditions, or use/require rare materials (solar requires rare earth metals a major poluter). Most renewables also just push the polution somewhere else.
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01/12/2020 12:40:43 3 1
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UK is providing finance for coal power stations in Africa...
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01/12/2020 15:28:58 2 1
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What about Removing Fossil Fuel Subsidies?
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01/12/2020 11:12:02 6 9
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@Matt @BBC You are caught in a runaway lie: pre-Lockdown years you we’re stating that atmospheric CO2 levels were effected by China’s GDP alone - Yet Covid restrictions have been around for over a year now for the entire planet and this had Zero effect against natural fluctuations. PROVING we have Zero effect on levels and time to stop your irritation fantasy obsession with Co2!!!
Truth please!
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01/12/2020 11:52:30 8 1
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Yes you are right CO2 emissions have dropped by 17% during the lockdown that still leaves 83% be emitted.. That's still rising ! The overall effect of lockdown is to reduce the ppm by 0.2ppm negligible!
So instead of 30bn tonnes per year we only pushed out 24.9bn tonnes during the pandemic your point is moot!
And the potential for a runaway still exists & may be happening now in the Arctic!
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02/12/2020 12:31:05 1 0
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I am surprised that I have not come across any comment that mentions that humans are only responsible for about 4% of the CO2 produced. So I am not surprised that CO2 levels have not noticeably reduced during the pandemic. As a non scientist who has been studying this topic for more than 10 years and it amazes me how there is, without questioning, such widespread acceptance of climate alarmism.
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01/12/2020 11:13:36 6 10
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Everyone knows that the so called experts do not have a clue. Everything is political these days. The UN climate change department is known for its massive corruption in data. China and India under the Paris Climate Accords is allowed to pollute twice as much as it pollutes today and 75% of all world pollution comes from India and China.
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01/12/2020 11:32:35 6 2
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As politics is about how we organise our shared life together, yes, literally everything is political is the partisan and tribal element that’s so hard to deal with.
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01/12/2020 11:30:53 6 1
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1. China, 2. USA,3.India, 4 Russia,. They certainly need to clean up there act but their contribution to the problem seems to be substantially less than your number.
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01/12/2020 11:38:35 7 2
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You must get such a warm smug feeling knowing that you understand climate physics better than thousands of scientists with PhDs in climate physics.
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01/12/2020 11:43:43 7 0
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So long as the blame does not fall at your feet eh?
Which massive corruption of data by which department of the UN?
And your last point is incorrect as well..
Nice whataboutery attempt though !
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02/12/2020 09:08:11 0 0
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You sound like that orange haired loony. Make allegation of corruption with zero evidence. Lols
You've seen the analysis, Matt

Did the Arctic agree to stop releasing methane?

Or will that result in temperature increases being faster and higher "than expected"?
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01/12/2020 11:12:02 6 9
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@Matt @BBC You are caught in a runaway lie: pre-Lockdown years you we’re stating that atmospheric CO2 levels were effected by China’s GDP alone - Yet Covid restrictions have been around for over a year now for the entire planet and this had Zero effect against natural fluctuations. PROVING we have Zero effect on levels and time to stop your irritation fantasy obsession with Co2!!!
Truth please!
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01/12/2020 11:25:54 2 7
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Oh really!!! have you checked the Co2 latent data??? 2019 is exactly the same as previous years - Yet if we think we can somehow control atmospheric Co2 Levels there should be a footprint or signature of this and there is NOT!!!
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01/12/2020 11:18:26 42 6
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There are two ways we can make other countries less polluting to help combat climate change: firstly, stop buying the bulk of our imports from them, where applicable, at least until they get their emissions down, and secondly by introducing and promoting green technology ourselves so as to lead by example.
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01/12/2020 11:42:46 11 24
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Green tech appears great but given that to make these products requires fossil fuels and dependant on what it is multiple transits. The biggest weakness of wind is, it can't run 100% of the time its limited to a very short window, if I am remembering correcly its 5-12mph that is peak efficacy. Or rare earth metals like solar needs to work (rare earth metals are one of the worse poluters).
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01/12/2020 15:10:39 5 0
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Scientists say we can provide most of our energy needs through renewables...

http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=374

Borrowing money now is incredibly cheap and our government has the best opportunity it will ever have to ensure our energy needs are met for the decades to come by investing now.

It will also stimulate the economy and provide 1000s of jobs. Get on with it!
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01/12/2020 15:27:20 2 0
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I like Leading by Example.
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Dan
01/12/2020 16:55:26 0 1
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How are you going to stop imports from China when we have deliberately & systematically under UN Agenda 21 deindustrialised the west & ensured we are reliant on Chinese imports?

The reason China is responsible for 2/3 of global pollution is because they were left exempt from Co2 taxes etc meaning finance & corporations moved there powered by cheap dirty energy while our industry was shut down.
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01/12/2020 11:19:37 4 15
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Climate change is just 1s and 0s on a computer model.
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01/12/2020 11:25:05 12 2
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Actually just the difference between 300 and 400ppm of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere in a human lifetime
Like adding double glazing to a greenhouse
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01/12/2020 11:20:36 41 20
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With Trump out of the way the adults can now get on with tackling climate change, still one of the most serious threats caused by, and affecting, mankind.
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01/12/2020 11:34:09 14 8
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Good that Trump is out of the way and Biden has made the right noises, but not sure how different the USA will be once he's president.

It would impress me if Biden's influence brought Anne Sacoolas to the UK to face trial.
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01/12/2020 11:37:41 10 8
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The problem is China, not the US.
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01/12/2020 12:45:26 8 5
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You have to laugh when the English slag of Donald Trump, i wonder if you forgot YOU VOTED IN BORIS JOHNSON, who is a Liar ( even to his Queen), a racist/homophobe (remember his newspaper articles, google them) and a fridge hiding coward. I think England should have a look at itself first AND SHUT IT'S HYPOCRITICAL FACE . Have a good day .
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01/12/2020 13:44:13 5 3
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With Trump out of the way, China will dictate world policy
Are you enjoying your new freedom? Don't worry it'll be even better soon once your masters give you the Jab, even though there's side affects. Doesn't matter to them as long as you do as you're told.
Was watching the news the other day and a Dr was interviewing random people. He told one person the only way the virus would go is if people did what they were told.
70+mil want the truth ????
Removed
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01/12/2020 11:22:28 7 16
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Well if you believe anything the Chinese say or that Biden will be able to do your stupid enough to believe in global warming in the first place.
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01/12/2020 11:33:10 10 4
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Or you just look at the metric ton of evidence that proves global warming is being spead up by humans. instead of being deluded enough to think global warming doesn't exist.
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01/12/2020 11:36:19 10 3
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My guess is that people who aren't clever enough to form a sentence aren't clever enough to understand basic science either.
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01/12/2020 12:01:25 3 0
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Believing anything the Chinese say and being scientifically literate are not mutually exclusive :)
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01/12/2020 11:07:43 34 3
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Good, but concentrate on removing coal first. No-one should be building a new coal plant at this point.
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01/12/2020 11:23:05 29 7
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tell that to the Germans
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01/12/2020 11:29:28 11 2
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and to the Chinese
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01/12/2020 11:36:00 6 1
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Germany is, I believe, scheduled to phase out coal by 2030 - they may end up doing to sooner. So building new coal fired capacity would seem an odd economic decision. This is one area where the UK is doing really well. Only four coal stations left, Drax set to stop coal next year. I think only one plant doesn’t have a shutdown date.
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01/12/2020 11:19:37 4 15
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Climate change is just 1s and 0s on a computer model.
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01/12/2020 11:25:05 12 2
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Actually just the difference between 300 and 400ppm of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere in a human lifetime
Like adding double glazing to a greenhouse
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01/12/2020 12:06:03 2 11
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This has been purely natural - The lockdowns have proved this, as they had zero effect on the Keeling Curve
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01/12/2020 13:15:54 1 5
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I ran an experiment with my greenhouse & pumped CO2 into to raise the temp. Didnt work.
Any guesses why?
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01/12/2020 11:25:54 2 7
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Oh really!!! have you checked the Co2 latent data??? 2019 is exactly the same as previous years - Yet if we think we can somehow control atmospheric Co2 Levels there should be a footprint or signature of this and there is NOT!!!
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MVP
01/12/2020 11:26:38 20 17
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Now that we have a new Leader of the Free World and World's Most Polluting Nation who actually accepts that Climate Change exists there is a chance that something positive can be done.
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01/12/2020 13:54:49 8 11
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Wow, suggest you update your refences to reduce the number of people laughing at your blatant bias:

In 2017 China produced 10,877.218 Million of tonnes of CO2
In 2017 USA produced 5,107.393 Million of tonnes of CO2

So mathematically China is worse than 2x USA.

Of course if you not using math to compare ??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions
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01/12/2020 15:25:34 0 4
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Not with such tiny small win and no control the senate he be blocked by republicans and most what he promised is probley lies as he is a politician .
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01/12/2020 16:06:48 1 2
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Climate change has always existed. Just another flat earther who cannot see back past 1988
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01/12/2020 11:23:05 29 7
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tell that to the Germans
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01/12/2020 11:29:28 11 2
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and to the Chinese
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01/12/2020 11:07:43 34 3
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Good, but concentrate on removing coal first. No-one should be building a new coal plant at this point.
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01/12/2020 11:31:16 4 8
bbc
The problem is coal is the most efficent fuel provided, and "greener" fuels like hydrogen would require a massive change in infrastructure for the entire world and other renewables just have to many negatives, like only can work in X to Y conditions, or use/require rare materials (solar requires rare earth metals a major poluter). Most renewables also just push the polution somewhere else.
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01/12/2020 11:48:38 7 0
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Coal is not efficient but it is energy dense. Most fossil fuel use is spectacularly inefficient. Gas is generally not bad when used though it would be interesting to know the efficiency from extraction operations to burning, including losses.
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01/12/2020 15:34:24 3 2
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Green hydrogen is not a fuel, it is an energy storage medium. The green energy has to come from elsewhere to make it.
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SJ
01/12/2020 21:02:21 1 0
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Please do some research.
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01/12/2020 11:13:36 6 10
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Everyone knows that the so called experts do not have a clue. Everything is political these days. The UN climate change department is known for its massive corruption in data. China and India under the Paris Climate Accords is allowed to pollute twice as much as it pollutes today and 75% of all world pollution comes from India and China.
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01/12/2020 11:32:35 6 2
bbc
As politics is about how we organise our shared life together, yes, literally everything is political is the partisan and tribal element that’s so hard to deal with.
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01/12/2020 11:22:28 7 16
bbc
Well if you believe anything the Chinese say or that Biden will be able to do your stupid enough to believe in global warming in the first place.
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01/12/2020 11:33:10 10 4
bbc
Or you just look at the metric ton of evidence that proves global warming is being spead up by humans. instead of being deluded enough to think global warming doesn't exist.
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01/12/2020 11:20:36 41 20
bbc
With Trump out of the way the adults can now get on with tackling climate change, still one of the most serious threats caused by, and affecting, mankind.
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01/12/2020 11:34:09 14 8
bbc
Good that Trump is out of the way and Biden has made the right noises, but not sure how different the USA will be once he's president.

It would impress me if Biden's influence brought Anne Sacoolas to the UK to face trial.
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01/12/2020 12:30:11 3 9
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Biden will govern for about 6 months, then leave due to some nonsense like 'old age'.

Fortunately for arms suppliers, Clinton will be ready to jump in.
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01/12/2020 15:24:28 1 3
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Biden won by such small margin that he won't control the senate the republicans can block him if they wish and Biden the democrats and far left can do nothing as his win was so small even if he received more votes then Obama apparently.
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01/12/2020 11:13:36 6 10
bbc
Everyone knows that the so called experts do not have a clue. Everything is political these days. The UN climate change department is known for its massive corruption in data. China and India under the Paris Climate Accords is allowed to pollute twice as much as it pollutes today and 75% of all world pollution comes from India and China.
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01/12/2020 11:30:53 6 1
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1. China, 2. USA,3.India, 4 Russia,. They certainly need to clean up there act but their contribution to the problem seems to be substantially less than your number.
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01/12/2020 11:31:19 9 23
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Joe Biden is patently a puppet POTUS for the radical left in the US , he will accomplish zero as he always has done.

Sleepy Joe heading the worlds superpower?
The US will never recover.
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01/12/2020 12:15:05 5 12
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Great name!!!
Yes you are right, Biden is a puppet. Hopefully the courts will see all the fraud in the votes and void the election. You would think a news outlet as big as the BBC would keep on top of it, but I've really come to know over the past 4 years where the BBC stands. Hopefully operation reset will not happen and 4 more years with Trump!! Wake up Britain. Check out Epoch times or OAN??
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01/12/2020 13:44:27 3 0
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I’ll never tire of the delicious tears of the Trump cultists. He lost fair and square - by a landslide if we use Donny’s 2016 criteria.

It’s the best thing that’s happened in the fight against AGW for years!
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01/12/2020 11:23:05 29 7
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tell that to the Germans
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01/12/2020 11:36:00 6 1
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Germany is, I believe, scheduled to phase out coal by 2030 - they may end up doing to sooner. So building new coal fired capacity would seem an odd economic decision. This is one area where the UK is doing really well. Only four coal stations left, Drax set to stop coal next year. I think only one plant doesn’t have a shutdown date.
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01/12/2020 11:56:31 9 3
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Drax is responsible for large scale deforestation in the USA. Burning wood pellets to produce electricity is probably the stupidest of all the so called green schemes.
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01/12/2020 11:22:28 7 16
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Well if you believe anything the Chinese say or that Biden will be able to do your stupid enough to believe in global warming in the first place.
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01/12/2020 11:36:19 10 3
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My guess is that people who aren't clever enough to form a sentence aren't clever enough to understand basic science either.
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01/12/2020 11:36:26 1 10
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Still a long ways to go, we will need to remove pollution from the production and use of materials to truly go green. No point in "green" energy such as wind if its powered by coal to make and ship the materials, as well as the immense amount of electricity required just to cool wind turbines. But this is going in the right direction
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01/12/2020 11:40:12 7 2
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Wind turbines using immense amounts of electricity to cool? I’ve never heard of this... do tell more. The biggest issue with a lot of large renewable deployments imho is the use high voltage switch gear (400kV) with SF6 gas as the insulation. Still being installed, ought to be banned by now.
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01/12/2020 11:58:23 10 0
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"No point in "green" energy such as wind if its powered by coal to make and ship the materials"

You might have to use coal generated electricity for producing the first batches of turbines, yes. But subsequent generations of turbines can be built using power generated by the previous generation.

We should not confuse the "bootstrap" situation with the steady state solution,
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01/12/2020 13:11:25 0 4
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I'm more known for my anti-wind turbine stance, but there isnt "immense amount of electricity required just to cool wind turbines"

You are right in that WT are faux green with all the coal needed. You cant make steel without carbon and WTs need a lot of steel.
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01/12/2020 11:13:36 6 10
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Everyone knows that the so called experts do not have a clue. Everything is political these days. The UN climate change department is known for its massive corruption in data. China and India under the Paris Climate Accords is allowed to pollute twice as much as it pollutes today and 75% of all world pollution comes from India and China.
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01/12/2020 11:38:35 7 2
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You must get such a warm smug feeling knowing that you understand climate physics better than thousands of scientists with PhDs in climate physics.
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01/12/2020 11:36:26 1 10
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Still a long ways to go, we will need to remove pollution from the production and use of materials to truly go green. No point in "green" energy such as wind if its powered by coal to make and ship the materials, as well as the immense amount of electricity required just to cool wind turbines. But this is going in the right direction
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01/12/2020 11:40:12 7 2
bbc
Wind turbines using immense amounts of electricity to cool? I’ve never heard of this... do tell more. The biggest issue with a lot of large renewable deployments imho is the use high voltage switch gear (400kV) with SF6 gas as the insulation. Still being installed, ought to be banned by now.
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01/12/2020 11:45:14 0 10
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Its used to keep the generators cool, they require liquid helium, which takes a lot of power,
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01/12/2020 11:36:36 9 9
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You trust China????
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01/12/2020 11:55:09 14 7
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China have some of the highest investments in clean energy worldwide. They have been helping develop modern nuclear and renewable technology. The reason they can do this is because their governmental structure doesnt mean they are scared to do the right thing because they might get voted out at the next election. You may not agree with their policies (I also dont) but it is showing its advantages!
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01/12/2020 13:44:11 3 0
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Over oil and gas countries and companies?
Yes
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01/12/2020 13:44:48 5 1
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You can trust China to do what is best for China. They know the long term future is in not screwing up the planet.
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01/12/2020 11:20:36 41 20
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With Trump out of the way the adults can now get on with tackling climate change, still one of the most serious threats caused by, and affecting, mankind.
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01/12/2020 11:37:41 10 8
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The problem is China, not the US.
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01/12/2020 15:40:37 1 0
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The problem is with anyone who shuts down their own manufacturing and buys goods from China then refuses responsibility for the coal burned to make the products they then import.
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01/12/2020 11:18:26 42 6
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There are two ways we can make other countries less polluting to help combat climate change: firstly, stop buying the bulk of our imports from them, where applicable, at least until they get their emissions down, and secondly by introducing and promoting green technology ourselves so as to lead by example.
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01/12/2020 11:42:46 11 24
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Green tech appears great but given that to make these products requires fossil fuels and dependant on what it is multiple transits. The biggest weakness of wind is, it can't run 100% of the time its limited to a very short window, if I am remembering correcly its 5-12mph that is peak efficacy. Or rare earth metals like solar needs to work (rare earth metals are one of the worse poluters).
We should all listen to HYS armchair scientists who can't spell.
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01/12/2020 13:19:32 1 7
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https://energynumbers.info/uk-offshore-wind-capacity-factors

Look at the "Load duration curves" the important thing is that 50% of the time a 8MW WT only produces 2MW of power. So you need a minimum of 4x as many WTs in ideal locations. This is why so called equations for "proving" that WTs are green is basically null & void!
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sj
02/12/2020 10:04:34 0 0
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You are not remembering correctly. Most turbines are running at peak power at wind speeds 12mph to 25 mph or 30 mph for windier sites like offshore.
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01/12/2020 11:13:36 6 10
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Everyone knows that the so called experts do not have a clue. Everything is political these days. The UN climate change department is known for its massive corruption in data. China and India under the Paris Climate Accords is allowed to pollute twice as much as it pollutes today and 75% of all world pollution comes from India and China.
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01/12/2020 11:43:43 7 0
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So long as the blame does not fall at your feet eh?
Which massive corruption of data by which department of the UN?
And your last point is incorrect as well..
Nice whataboutery attempt though !
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01/12/2020 11:43:51 6 23
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Yes the climate is in another warming phase but actually has nothing to do with Co2, that you can blame Al Gore for, he needs to keep out of science! Every 12-13,000 yrs Earth's gravity migrates, it has done so 5% in every 100 yrs but has accelerated to 5% in every 10yrs this century, also the magnetic field has weakened by "20%, changes are coming & it's not looking good for us
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01/12/2020 11:50:16 13 4
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Hi! Actually it is to do with C02, part of the scientific fact that you can check even in a high school lab is the impact of carbon dioxide on temperatures. Its well documented. Just like the CO2 output in the atmosphere, and the historical relationship between CO2 and temperatures in ancient ice sheets. Gravity does change as does the magnetic field, but its not what's causing climate change :)
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01/12/2020 11:54:55 8 3
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Has BBC HYS been taken over by Americans? All this talk of Biden, Al Gore, and a complete lack of even basic science education is a bit of a giveaway.
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01/12/2020 12:05:22 9 1
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Oh come on I thought it was the entry into a Grand Solar Minimum that was to bring back a mini Ice Age !! Its not gravity that migrates its the magnetic poles get the conspiracy right at least. The magnetic strength has been weakening @5% per CENTURY it may drop to zero in a thousand years..

https://www.livescience.com/earth-magnetic-field.html
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01/12/2020 12:33:29 7 2
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Gosh, have you told Newton? He worked out G as 6.67408 × 10-11 m3 kg-1 s-2 quite a long time ago, and I don't think it has changed since.
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01/12/2020 11:40:12 7 2
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Wind turbines using immense amounts of electricity to cool? I’ve never heard of this... do tell more. The biggest issue with a lot of large renewable deployments imho is the use high voltage switch gear (400kV) with SF6 gas as the insulation. Still being installed, ought to be banned by now.
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01/12/2020 11:45:14 0 10
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Its used to keep the generators cool, they require liquid helium, which takes a lot of power,
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01/12/2020 11:50:19 8 0
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Do you mean superconducting generators? I don't think any have been deployed yet.

The ones we see off the coast at the moment do not use helium.
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01/12/2020 12:25:12 5 0
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I can’t find any information to corroborate this. All indications are wind turbines are water or air cooled.
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01/12/2020 13:45:41 3 0
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Absolute rubbish.
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01/12/2020 11:31:16 4 8
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The problem is coal is the most efficent fuel provided, and "greener" fuels like hydrogen would require a massive change in infrastructure for the entire world and other renewables just have to many negatives, like only can work in X to Y conditions, or use/require rare materials (solar requires rare earth metals a major poluter). Most renewables also just push the polution somewhere else.
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01/12/2020 11:48:38 7 0
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Coal is not efficient but it is energy dense. Most fossil fuel use is spectacularly inefficient. Gas is generally not bad when used though it would be interesting to know the efficiency from extraction operations to burning, including losses.
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01/12/2020 11:43:51 6 23
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Yes the climate is in another warming phase but actually has nothing to do with Co2, that you can blame Al Gore for, he needs to keep out of science! Every 12-13,000 yrs Earth's gravity migrates, it has done so 5% in every 100 yrs but has accelerated to 5% in every 10yrs this century, also the magnetic field has weakened by "20%, changes are coming & it's not looking good for us
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01/12/2020 11:50:16 13 4
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Hi! Actually it is to do with C02, part of the scientific fact that you can check even in a high school lab is the impact of carbon dioxide on temperatures. Its well documented. Just like the CO2 output in the atmosphere, and the historical relationship between CO2 and temperatures in ancient ice sheets. Gravity does change as does the magnetic field, but its not what's causing climate change :)
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01/12/2020 12:01:18 3 12
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Hi, lab conditions are to small and don't take into the fact of complex atmospheric situations, Co2 has such a small effect it almost can't be measured. Again with gravity and the magnetic field, its changes can shut down earths ocean currents and change jet streams, it's to complex to explain here but scientists have many channels that you can read online for free (Condensed) or buy the books.
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01/12/2020 12:11:53 1 11
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wrong
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x75
01/12/2020 13:43:33 0 5
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The impact of very small CO2 changes (and thats what they are) are not proven to be the cause of climatic change. However climatic cycles are a certainty and we have have a relatively benign climate for a long time. The world is actually cooling long term. Lets see if the grand solar minima now starting impacts weather (cooler).
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01/12/2020 11:45:14 0 10
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Its used to keep the generators cool, they require liquid helium, which takes a lot of power,
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01/12/2020 11:50:19 8 0
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Do you mean superconducting generators? I don't think any have been deployed yet.

The ones we see off the coast at the moment do not use helium.
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01/12/2020 11:12:02 6 9
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@Matt @BBC You are caught in a runaway lie: pre-Lockdown years you we’re stating that atmospheric CO2 levels were effected by China’s GDP alone - Yet Covid restrictions have been around for over a year now for the entire planet and this had Zero effect against natural fluctuations. PROVING we have Zero effect on levels and time to stop your irritation fantasy obsession with Co2!!!
Truth please!
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01/12/2020 11:52:30 8 1
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Yes you are right CO2 emissions have dropped by 17% during the lockdown that still leaves 83% be emitted.. That's still rising ! The overall effect of lockdown is to reduce the ppm by 0.2ppm negligible!
So instead of 30bn tonnes per year we only pushed out 24.9bn tonnes during the pandemic your point is moot!
And the potential for a runaway still exists & may be happening now in the Arctic!
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01/12/2020 12:09:55 1 7
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The 17% myth comes from a report in May, taking into account the data prior to that point - The world has reduced its movements and outputs for a year now - Covid has had zero effect there is no footprint or sign of your 0.2ppm reduction even - Yet nature reduces and inputs between 6 to 10 pmm each year through ocean outgassing and plant photosynthesis.
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01/12/2020 11:54:41 30 10
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The good news for many is that renewable energy is starting to get cheap - and all indications are that technology will be able to push up the efficiency and reduce the price further still.

Renewable energy companies competing on the open market will undercut the old coal and gas stations. How many of you sceptics will stick with coal even when it costs you more? Few, I suspect.
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01/12/2020 12:03:41 11 9
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I agree, but renewables still has the "storage hurdle" to overcome. Solutions exist & even the fossil fuel giants are starting to work in this direction. The distraction here is nuclear - way too expensive & leaving our descendents with the issues of decomissioning reactors and storage or disposal of large quantities of very dangerous radioactive waste with very long lifetimes.
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01/12/2020 12:22:32 6 15
bbc
The only reason so called "renewables" exist is that they have been subsidised for decades. If these "unreliables" had to compete on cost in the open market they would disappear overnight.
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02/12/2020 09:38:31 0 0
bbc
Unfortunately, a lot of so-called renewable sources of energy like solar panels and storage batteries come at the cost large scale mineral extraction, complex manufacturing and in the case of China, where most of this stuff comes from, dubious environmental credentials and a large pool of cheap labour.
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01/12/2020 11:43:51 6 23
bbc
Yes the climate is in another warming phase but actually has nothing to do with Co2, that you can blame Al Gore for, he needs to keep out of science! Every 12-13,000 yrs Earth's gravity migrates, it has done so 5% in every 100 yrs but has accelerated to 5% in every 10yrs this century, also the magnetic field has weakened by "20%, changes are coming & it's not looking good for us
37
01/12/2020 11:54:55 8 3
bbc
Has BBC HYS been taken over by Americans? All this talk of Biden, Al Gore, and a complete lack of even basic science education is a bit of a giveaway.
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01/12/2020 11:36:36 9 9
bbc
You trust China????
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01/12/2020 11:55:09 14 7
bbc
China have some of the highest investments in clean energy worldwide. They have been helping develop modern nuclear and renewable technology. The reason they can do this is because their governmental structure doesnt mean they are scared to do the right thing because they might get voted out at the next election. You may not agree with their policies (I also dont) but it is showing its advantages!
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01/12/2020 13:07:14 2 3
bbc
But China target is after everyone else has gone through the costly greening of their economy. China only cares about itself & doesnt hide the fact.

Until China isnt the worst polluter by far, dont praise them.
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01/12/2020 11:36:00 6 1
bbc
Germany is, I believe, scheduled to phase out coal by 2030 - they may end up doing to sooner. So building new coal fired capacity would seem an odd economic decision. This is one area where the UK is doing really well. Only four coal stations left, Drax set to stop coal next year. I think only one plant doesn’t have a shutdown date.
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01/12/2020 11:56:31 9 3
bbc
Drax is responsible for large scale deforestation in the USA. Burning wood pellets to produce electricity is probably the stupidest of all the so called green schemes.
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01/12/2020 11:36:26 1 10
bbc
Still a long ways to go, we will need to remove pollution from the production and use of materials to truly go green. No point in "green" energy such as wind if its powered by coal to make and ship the materials, as well as the immense amount of electricity required just to cool wind turbines. But this is going in the right direction
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01/12/2020 11:58:23 10 0
bbc
"No point in "green" energy such as wind if its powered by coal to make and ship the materials"

You might have to use coal generated electricity for producing the first batches of turbines, yes. But subsequent generations of turbines can be built using power generated by the previous generation.

We should not confuse the "bootstrap" situation with the steady state solution,
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01/12/2020 13:05:45 1 0
bbc
You used a lot of long words there Andy. You may need to simplify some of them for the OP.
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01/12/2020 13:13:52 0 3
bbc
@andyrwebman: you need carbon to make steel. The carbon comes from coal, so although Scuicidebadger is not correct on certain aspects, your statement is also wrong.
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01/12/2020 13:48:34 0 4
bbc
Wind turbines use a lot of dirty electricity from the grid. A generator works by turning a copper coil within a magnetic field. In wind turbines the magnetic field is created by electro magnets as rare earth magnets are far too heavy and expensive. It cannot create this field itself, hence they are powered from the grid.
Wind turbines are not green at all.
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01/12/2020 11:50:16 13 4
bbc
Hi! Actually it is to do with C02, part of the scientific fact that you can check even in a high school lab is the impact of carbon dioxide on temperatures. Its well documented. Just like the CO2 output in the atmosphere, and the historical relationship between CO2 and temperatures in ancient ice sheets. Gravity does change as does the magnetic field, but its not what's causing climate change :)
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01/12/2020 12:01:18 3 12
bbc
Hi, lab conditions are to small and don't take into the fact of complex atmospheric situations, Co2 has such a small effect it almost can't be measured. Again with gravity and the magnetic field, its changes can shut down earths ocean currents and change jet streams, it's to complex to explain here but scientists have many channels that you can read online for free (Condensed) or buy the books.
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x75
01/12/2020 13:44:50 0 4
bbc
Well said Pennineram.
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01/12/2020 11:22:28 7 16
bbc
Well if you believe anything the Chinese say or that Biden will be able to do your stupid enough to believe in global warming in the first place.
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01/12/2020 12:01:25 3 0
bbc
Believing anything the Chinese say and being scientifically literate are not mutually exclusive :)
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01/12/2020 11:54:41 30 10
bbc
The good news for many is that renewable energy is starting to get cheap - and all indications are that technology will be able to push up the efficiency and reduce the price further still.

Renewable energy companies competing on the open market will undercut the old coal and gas stations. How many of you sceptics will stick with coal even when it costs you more? Few, I suspect.
43
01/12/2020 12:03:41 11 9
bbc
I agree, but renewables still has the "storage hurdle" to overcome. Solutions exist & even the fossil fuel giants are starting to work in this direction. The distraction here is nuclear - way too expensive & leaving our descendents with the issues of decomissioning reactors and storage or disposal of large quantities of very dangerous radioactive waste with very long lifetimes.
44
01/12/2020 12:04:47 7 9
bbc
Unfortunately the uneducated can make graphs read anything they want to, that includes presidents, prime ministers, so called celebrities, even colour in global maps red and leave out the blue indicators, its actually a fact, this is their gift to you (propaganda)
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01/12/2020 12:44:13 4 5
bbc
OK, Donald.
30
01/12/2020 11:43:51 6 23
bbc
Yes the climate is in another warming phase but actually has nothing to do with Co2, that you can blame Al Gore for, he needs to keep out of science! Every 12-13,000 yrs Earth's gravity migrates, it has done so 5% in every 100 yrs but has accelerated to 5% in every 10yrs this century, also the magnetic field has weakened by "20%, changes are coming & it's not looking good for us
45
01/12/2020 12:05:22 9 1
bbc
Oh come on I thought it was the entry into a Grand Solar Minimum that was to bring back a mini Ice Age !! Its not gravity that migrates its the magnetic poles get the conspiracy right at least. The magnetic strength has been weakening @5% per CENTURY it may drop to zero in a thousand years..

https://www.livescience.com/earth-magnetic-field.html
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x75
01/12/2020 13:50:29 1 4
bbc
Geo change can occur relatively quickly though, over just a few years as proven by magnetic pole reversals. However the Grand Solar Minimum has just begun. Give it another couple of years yet and then perhaps the impact might be shown overblown. Driving economies to wall by rapid CO2 reduction will simply lead to famine, social disturbance (from all the young without a job, & of course war.
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01/12/2020 11:25:05 12 2
bbc
Actually just the difference between 300 and 400ppm of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere in a human lifetime
Like adding double glazing to a greenhouse
46
01/12/2020 12:06:03 2 11
bbc
This has been purely natural - The lockdowns have proved this, as they had zero effect on the Keeling Curve
56
01/12/2020 12:29:31 7 0
bbc
slightly reducing the rate of emissions for a short time is not going to make a noticeable impact. Stopping all emissions would, lockdown didn’t do that.
35
01/12/2020 11:52:30 8 1
bbc
Yes you are right CO2 emissions have dropped by 17% during the lockdown that still leaves 83% be emitted.. That's still rising ! The overall effect of lockdown is to reduce the ppm by 0.2ppm negligible!
So instead of 30bn tonnes per year we only pushed out 24.9bn tonnes during the pandemic your point is moot!
And the potential for a runaway still exists & may be happening now in the Arctic!
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01/12/2020 12:09:55 1 7
bbc
The 17% myth comes from a report in May, taking into account the data prior to that point - The world has reduced its movements and outputs for a year now - Covid has had zero effect there is no footprint or sign of your 0.2ppm reduction even - Yet nature reduces and inputs between 6 to 10 pmm each year through ocean outgassing and plant photosynthesis.
65
01/12/2020 12:38:33 3 0
bbc
What's your PhD in?
48
01/12/2020 12:11:03 6 24
bbc
BBC ? joe biden has not been elected show your proof of that event seem you know little about how the US election works
But a gammon with no grasp of basic punctuation does...
58
01/12/2020 12:30:42 11 1
bbc
Your orange god lost. Get over it.
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01/12/2020 13:46:14 4 0
bbc
Trump lost bigly. Get over it.

Your one-term loser getting his marching orders is the best thing that’s happened to the global environment for years.
33
01/12/2020 11:50:16 13 4
bbc
Hi! Actually it is to do with C02, part of the scientific fact that you can check even in a high school lab is the impact of carbon dioxide on temperatures. Its well documented. Just like the CO2 output in the atmosphere, and the historical relationship between CO2 and temperatures in ancient ice sheets. Gravity does change as does the magnetic field, but its not what's causing climate change :)
49
01/12/2020 12:11:53 1 11
bbc
wrong
105
01/12/2020 13:29:31 5 1
bbc
Great argument. You should publish.
20
01/12/2020 11:31:19 9 23
bbc
Joe Biden is patently a puppet POTUS for the radical left in the US , he will accomplish zero as he always has done.

Sleepy Joe heading the worlds superpower?
The US will never recover.
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01/12/2020 12:15:05 5 12
bbc
Great name!!!
Yes you are right, Biden is a puppet. Hopefully the courts will see all the fraud in the votes and void the election. You would think a news outlet as big as the BBC would keep on top of it, but I've really come to know over the past 4 years where the BBC stands. Hopefully operation reset will not happen and 4 more years with Trump!! Wake up Britain. Check out Epoch times or OAN??
53
01/12/2020 12:27:28 7 0
bbc
I just can’t tell the difference between sarcasm and deeply held views any more.
72
01/12/2020 12:49:11 6 1
bbc
The Epoch times!?! OAN!? Hilarious! Tin foil everywhere.
36
01/12/2020 11:54:41 30 10
bbc
The good news for many is that renewable energy is starting to get cheap - and all indications are that technology will be able to push up the efficiency and reduce the price further still.

Renewable energy companies competing on the open market will undercut the old coal and gas stations. How many of you sceptics will stick with coal even when it costs you more? Few, I suspect.
51
01/12/2020 12:22:32 6 15
bbc
The only reason so called "renewables" exist is that they have been subsidised for decades. If these "unreliables" had to compete on cost in the open market they would disappear overnight.
60
01/12/2020 12:31:58 10 4
bbc
Oil and gas has been subsidised for decades.
69
01/12/2020 12:45:19 6 2
bbc
You can down vote as much as you want, it's still true.
31
01/12/2020 11:45:14 0 10
bbc
Its used to keep the generators cool, they require liquid helium, which takes a lot of power,
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01/12/2020 12:25:12 5 0
bbc
I can’t find any information to corroborate this. All indications are wind turbines are water or air cooled.
50
01/12/2020 12:15:05 5 12
bbc
Great name!!!
Yes you are right, Biden is a puppet. Hopefully the courts will see all the fraud in the votes and void the election. You would think a news outlet as big as the BBC would keep on top of it, but I've really come to know over the past 4 years where the BBC stands. Hopefully operation reset will not happen and 4 more years with Trump!! Wake up Britain. Check out Epoch times or OAN??
53
01/12/2020 12:27:28 7 0
bbc
I just can’t tell the difference between sarcasm and deeply held views any more.
54
01/12/2020 12:28:28 7 8
bbc
China...India cutting back on building their coal fired power stations are they....what a crock of you know what!!
48
01/12/2020 12:11:03 6 24
bbc
BBC ? joe biden has not been elected show your proof of that event seem you know little about how the US election works
But a gammon with no grasp of basic punctuation does...
46
01/12/2020 12:06:03 2 11
bbc
This has been purely natural - The lockdowns have proved this, as they had zero effect on the Keeling Curve
56
01/12/2020 12:29:31 7 0
bbc
slightly reducing the rate of emissions for a short time is not going to make a noticeable impact. Stopping all emissions would, lockdown didn’t do that.
18
01/12/2020 11:34:09 14 8
bbc
Good that Trump is out of the way and Biden has made the right noises, but not sure how different the USA will be once he's president.

It would impress me if Biden's influence brought Anne Sacoolas to the UK to face trial.
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01/12/2020 12:30:11 3 9
bbc
Biden will govern for about 6 months, then leave due to some nonsense like 'old age'.

Fortunately for arms suppliers, Clinton will be ready to jump in.
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01/12/2020 15:41:23 0 0
bbc
Clinton will have to elbow Harris out of the way first!
48
01/12/2020 12:11:03 6 24
bbc
BBC ? joe biden has not been elected show your proof of that event seem you know little about how the US election works
58
01/12/2020 12:30:42 11 1
bbc
Your orange god lost. Get over it.
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x75
01/12/2020 13:36:46 0 5
bbc
Yes its true he lost, but not by that much & many of the democrat votes for Biden were because many folks hated Trump, not loved the Democrats. The Georgia Senate races should tell us once & for all whether this was an anti-Trump vote, or a pro democrat vote. I strongly suspect the former. If 2 Republican senators get elected from Georgia in Jan, the 2022 election will split the D party.
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01/12/2020 11:42:46 11 24
bbc
Green tech appears great but given that to make these products requires fossil fuels and dependant on what it is multiple transits. The biggest weakness of wind is, it can't run 100% of the time its limited to a very short window, if I am remembering correcly its 5-12mph that is peak efficacy. Or rare earth metals like solar needs to work (rare earth metals are one of the worse poluters).
We should all listen to HYS armchair scientists who can't spell.
73
01/12/2020 12:50:14 7 4
bbc
Whether the person it right or wrong, the spelling shouldn't matter. Just because they make spelling errors doesn't mean they cant make a difference to the world for good.
51
01/12/2020 12:22:32 6 15
bbc
The only reason so called "renewables" exist is that they have been subsidised for decades. If these "unreliables" had to compete on cost in the open market they would disappear overnight.
60
01/12/2020 12:31:58 10 4
bbc
Oil and gas has been subsidised for decades.
30
01/12/2020 11:43:51 6 23
bbc
Yes the climate is in another warming phase but actually has nothing to do with Co2, that you can blame Al Gore for, he needs to keep out of science! Every 12-13,000 yrs Earth's gravity migrates, it has done so 5% in every 100 yrs but has accelerated to 5% in every 10yrs this century, also the magnetic field has weakened by "20%, changes are coming & it's not looking good for us
61
01/12/2020 12:33:29 7 2
bbc
Gosh, have you told Newton? He worked out G as 6.67408 × 10-11 m3 kg-1 s-2 quite a long time ago, and I don't think it has changed since.
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01/12/2020 12:33:41 0 4
bbc
Priase the lord...It's a miracle
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x75
01/12/2020 13:28:35 0 3
bbc
..and I have a used car to sell you....
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01/12/2020 12:34:02 7 5
bbc
Until governments start taking the difficult short term decisions rather than just talking a good story for the longer term, we have to doubt that this can be delivered. There's no doubt though that we are at last moving in the right direction and the elimination of fossil fuelled vehicles will be the next major step forward.
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01/12/2020 14:46:17 2 2
bbc
This has all the hallmarks of a set of figures deliberately manipulated to give the answer people want to hear.

It's easy to make impressive long term planning assumptions.

But if you don't deliver in the short and medium term the long term is simply aspirational and lacks real plausibility.
327
01/12/2020 18:11:26 0 1
bbc
there's a difference between the state broadcaster saying "what does the government say about"

and actually doing anything.

the state broadcaster says "what does the government say about..."

lots. and lots. and lots. and lots. and lots.
64
01/12/2020 12:34:57 9 13
bbc
what rubbish,.
based on long term promises. from CHINA !. yeah., as if anyone would belive that.
74
01/12/2020 12:51:27 10 0
bbc
China knows how to make money, it will absolutely carry on with it's program.
The green energy in Texas has nothing to do with grants, there aren't any, it's all due to the ability to make more money from green energy than oil or gas.
47
01/12/2020 12:09:55 1 7
bbc
The 17% myth comes from a report in May, taking into account the data prior to that point - The world has reduced its movements and outputs for a year now - Covid has had zero effect there is no footprint or sign of your 0.2ppm reduction even - Yet nature reduces and inputs between 6 to 10 pmm each year through ocean outgassing and plant photosynthesis.
65
01/12/2020 12:38:33 3 0
bbc
What's your PhD in?
75
01/12/2020 12:51:29 1 7
bbc
I have Masters in Business Resilience thanks, not a PhD and to busy living in the real world to take my more than adequate qauls any further
1
01/12/2020 11:07:43 34 3
bbc
Good, but concentrate on removing coal first. No-one should be building a new coal plant at this point.
66
01/12/2020 12:40:43 3 1
bbc
UK is providing finance for coal power stations in Africa...
44
01/12/2020 12:04:47 7 9
bbc
Unfortunately the uneducated can make graphs read anything they want to, that includes presidents, prime ministers, so called celebrities, even colour in global maps red and leave out the blue indicators, its actually a fact, this is their gift to you (propaganda)
67
01/12/2020 12:44:13 4 5
bbc
OK, Donald.
54
01/12/2020 12:28:28 7 8
bbc
China...India cutting back on building their coal fired power stations are they....what a crock of you know what!!
79
01/12/2020 13:03:44 5 4
bbc
You have missed the point on purpose.

Its the CO2 emissions & pollution thats the issue. China is the worst country & even per capita they are worse than the UK & the majority.

They are **still** building coal powered stations which do pollute.
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01/12/2020 13:13:00 2 2
bbc
So their not building any more coal power stations then???
Can you provide us all with a link please!!
Yeah right!!
51
01/12/2020 12:22:32 6 15
bbc
The only reason so called "renewables" exist is that they have been subsidised for decades. If these "unreliables" had to compete on cost in the open market they would disappear overnight.
69
01/12/2020 12:45:19 6 2
bbc
You can down vote as much as you want, it's still true.
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x75
01/12/2020 13:40:33 2 8
bbc
You clearly don't know the 1st thing about why subsidies exist at all for oil & gas. I do since I worked there for 42 years.... Truth is relative.
8
01/12/2020 11:20:36 41 20
bbc
With Trump out of the way the adults can now get on with tackling climate change, still one of the most serious threats caused by, and affecting, mankind.
70
01/12/2020 12:45:26 8 5
bbc
You have to laugh when the English slag of Donald Trump, i wonder if you forgot YOU VOTED IN BORIS JOHNSON, who is a Liar ( even to his Queen), a racist/homophobe (remember his newspaper articles, google them) and a fridge hiding coward. I think England should have a look at itself first AND SHUT IT'S HYPOCRITICAL FACE . Have a good day .
108
01/12/2020 13:33:31 6 2
bbc
Nah, annoying people like you makes it so worth it :) Try not to blow a gasket. Trump lost, get over it. Trump losing means the environment winning.
110
01/12/2020 13:35:52 4 1
bbc
My conscience is clear - I didn’t vote for the idiot Johnson.
403
02/12/2020 09:03:03 0 0
bbc
Eh?
71
01/12/2020 12:47:24 29 7
bbc
Stop the population increase, people shouldn't be financed by the government to have more than 1 or 2 children. Nobody wants a reduction in quality of life however if we carry on like this everyone is going to pay.
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01/12/2020 13:30:47 4 20
bbc
Not just the population size its how the eco-warriors are intent in keeping the majority in poverty. As people come out of poverty then they use more energy & resources. The UK per capita emissions are one quarter than the peak. So paradoxically it is better to help those in poverty sooner than latter.

Most eco-worriers cant get their heads around that one.
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01/12/2020 14:12:26 4 6
bbc
Absolutely right. Although if you mention the elephant in the room you often come in for a lot of backlash from those who can’t see it. Population of the planet has doubled in my lifetime alone. We can’t go on like this. First world countries don’t need to eat meat to survive but farming animals produces more greenhouse gas than all the transport systems in the world put together.
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Rob
01/12/2020 14:36:51 8 2
bbc
Michael
Please name a country where:
a) people are financed by the government to have more than 1 or 2 children
and
b) the birth rate in that country is above the replacement level

If you're thinking of the UK forget it. The govt is intent on maintaining high levels of immigration to avoid an ageing population, as not enough babies are being born to maintain the growth it needs to repay its debt
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02/12/2020 09:31:39 0 0
bbc
Correct.
Population growth fuels demands on resources from water to waste.
More people, more stuff.
Nature controls growth of populations by predation, disease and exhaustion of local resources, all except for humans, who uniquely are able to overcome these restrictions.
Large families are as damaging as rainforest destruction.
465
02/12/2020 13:55:23 0 0
bbc
There's always some that call for a cull of the human population. I understand the base logic of this point, but can anyone calling for this tell me how on earth you would make it happen in the time scale required? Draconian inhumane measures would be the only way. Improving education/healthcare/women's rights is the best way to bring it down, but that takes time and not possible in some places.
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01/12/2020 12:15:05 5 12
bbc
Great name!!!
Yes you are right, Biden is a puppet. Hopefully the courts will see all the fraud in the votes and void the election. You would think a news outlet as big as the BBC would keep on top of it, but I've really come to know over the past 4 years where the BBC stands. Hopefully operation reset will not happen and 4 more years with Trump!! Wake up Britain. Check out Epoch times or OAN??
72
01/12/2020 12:49:11 6 1
bbc
The Epoch times!?! OAN!? Hilarious! Tin foil everywhere.
We should all listen to HYS armchair scientists who can't spell.
73
01/12/2020 12:50:14 7 4
bbc
Whether the person it right or wrong, the spelling shouldn't matter. Just because they make spelling errors doesn't mean they cant make a difference to the world for good.
64
01/12/2020 12:34:57 9 13
bbc
what rubbish,.
based on long term promises. from CHINA !. yeah., as if anyone would belive that.
74
01/12/2020 12:51:27 10 0
bbc
China knows how to make money, it will absolutely carry on with it's program.
The green energy in Texas has nothing to do with grants, there aren't any, it's all due to the ability to make more money from green energy than oil or gas.
65
01/12/2020 12:38:33 3 0
bbc
What's your PhD in?
75
01/12/2020 12:51:29 1 7
bbc
I have Masters in Business Resilience thanks, not a PhD and to busy living in the real world to take my more than adequate qauls any further
80
01/12/2020 13:03:57 4 0
bbc
Hahahaha! So it's a nice opinion you have.... that's all.
113
01/12/2020 13:37:28 3 0
bbc
You sure it's not Business Intransigence?
76
01/12/2020 12:53:19 6 16
bbc
More MSM fakery! This climate nonsense which has been going on for fifty years needs to stop!
77
01/12/2020 12:58:38 6 2
bbc
Opinions are like sphincters...
255
01/12/2020 16:34:49 4 0
bbc
I'm sorry, you've set of my "MSM" alarm and I just couldn't hear anything else you said as a result.
76
01/12/2020 12:53:19 6 16
bbc
More MSM fakery! This climate nonsense which has been going on for fifty years needs to stop!
77
01/12/2020 12:58:38 6 2
bbc
Opinions are like sphincters...
78
01/12/2020 13:01:18 4 14
bbc
Temperature changes have always preceded those of atmospheric CO2 levels, so it is always amazing that the AGW crowd put the cart before the horse. Not very bright would be a valid conclusion. But some of the climate doomsters are wolves in sheep's clothing and plan to make a lot of money from this global warming scam.
81
01/12/2020 13:05:33 6 2
bbc
Keep the tin foil close by.
90
01/12/2020 13:14:08 7 0
bbc
Previous ice age cycles are though to have been driven by orbital changes, with those small heating effects magnified by CO2 release as permafrost melted. Therefore heating lagged CO2.

Today is different -- we are driving warming by releasing CO2 directly. Because the driver is different, temperature is lagging CO2.

See eg.:

https://institutions.newscientist.com/question/what-is-global-warming
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01/12/2020 13:26:35 8 1
bbc
Anyone using that argument knows that they are lying.
79
01/12/2020 13:03:44 5 4
bbc
You have missed the point on purpose.

Its the CO2 emissions & pollution thats the issue. China is the worst country & even per capita they are worse than the UK & the majority.

They are **still** building coal powered stations which do pollute.
84
01/12/2020 13:07:47 5 2
bbc
Chinese were riding bicycles up until the 90's...
75
01/12/2020 12:51:29 1 7
bbc
I have Masters in Business Resilience thanks, not a PhD and to busy living in the real world to take my more than adequate qauls any further
80
01/12/2020 13:03:57 4 0
bbc
Hahahaha! So it's a nice opinion you have.... that's all.
142
01/12/2020 13:58:16 1 3
bbc
The opinion is based on the latest data that the lockdowns have had zero effect on atmospheric co2 levels. Yet Matt, the BBC and Eco Loons have an open obsession with it and say we can control Co2 levels in the atmosphere - We Cannot and very sudden and widespread Covid lockdowns have proved that
78
01/12/2020 13:01:18 4 14
bbc
Temperature changes have always preceded those of atmospheric CO2 levels, so it is always amazing that the AGW crowd put the cart before the horse. Not very bright would be a valid conclusion. But some of the climate doomsters are wolves in sheep's clothing and plan to make a lot of money from this global warming scam.
81
01/12/2020 13:05:33 6 2
bbc
Keep the tin foil close by.
40
01/12/2020 11:58:23 10 0
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"No point in "green" energy such as wind if its powered by coal to make and ship the materials"

You might have to use coal generated electricity for producing the first batches of turbines, yes. But subsequent generations of turbines can be built using power generated by the previous generation.

We should not confuse the "bootstrap" situation with the steady state solution,
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01/12/2020 13:05:45 1 0
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You used a lot of long words there Andy. You may need to simplify some of them for the OP.
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01/12/2020 11:55:09 14 7
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China have some of the highest investments in clean energy worldwide. They have been helping develop modern nuclear and renewable technology. The reason they can do this is because their governmental structure doesnt mean they are scared to do the right thing because they might get voted out at the next election. You may not agree with their policies (I also dont) but it is showing its advantages!
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01/12/2020 13:07:14 2 3
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But China target is after everyone else has gone through the costly greening of their economy. China only cares about itself & doesnt hide the fact.

Until China isnt the worst polluter by far, dont praise them.
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01/12/2020 13:16:04 5 1
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As stated in the article, China's per capita GHG emissions are lower than Europe and the US. Also let's not forget how much stuff we buy from China. You can't buy cheap stuff without cutting a few corners.
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01/12/2020 13:03:44 5 4
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You have missed the point on purpose.

Its the CO2 emissions & pollution thats the issue. China is the worst country & even per capita they are worse than the UK & the majority.

They are **still** building coal powered stations which do pollute.
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01/12/2020 13:07:47 5 2
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Chinese were riding bicycles up until the 90's...
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01/12/2020 13:09:36 10 9
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More fake news. Anyone with their eyes open can see the effects of global warming so far. This is jus Kool-Aid to make us feel good before the third and fourth Covid waves hit. Well there's a thought. How well do you think government's have handled Covid? Based on their performance so far, how do you think they will really do with global warming?
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01/12/2020 11:36:26 1 10
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Still a long ways to go, we will need to remove pollution from the production and use of materials to truly go green. No point in "green" energy such as wind if its powered by coal to make and ship the materials, as well as the immense amount of electricity required just to cool wind turbines. But this is going in the right direction
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01/12/2020 13:11:25 0 4
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I'm more known for my anti-wind turbine stance, but there isnt "immense amount of electricity required just to cool wind turbines"

You are right in that WT are faux green with all the coal needed. You cant make steel without carbon and WTs need a lot of steel.
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01/12/2020 13:50:35 3 0
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Plenty of studies showing that the total carbon footprint of wind, including manufacturing, is lower than coal
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01/12/2020 16:46:44 1 0
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There is, of course, the balance of emissions and power generated over the lifespan of an installation. You're suggesting the lifecycle emissions of a wind turbine installation are higher than gas presumably, or maybe nuclear. We all know there's no magic bullet, but the work has been done on this.
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01/12/2020 13:13:00 2 2
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So their not building any more coal power stations then???
Can you provide us all with a link please!!
Yeah right!!
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01/12/2020 13:20:41 4 1
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UK is providing finance for coal power stations in Africa...
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Leo
01/12/2020 13:13:38 4 12
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Great news BBC! See you climate paniquers led by Gretta - things are not that bad! Same to the BLM movement - don't be such extremists, things are not that bad, and gradually improve with time!
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01/12/2020 13:19:53 9 4
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Ooo, a racist and a science denier. Too much YoU TuBey by any chance?
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01/12/2020 11:58:23 10 0
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"No point in "green" energy such as wind if its powered by coal to make and ship the materials"

You might have to use coal generated electricity for producing the first batches of turbines, yes. But subsequent generations of turbines can be built using power generated by the previous generation.

We should not confuse the "bootstrap" situation with the steady state solution,
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01/12/2020 13:13:52 0 3
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@andyrwebman: you need carbon to make steel. The carbon comes from coal, so although Scuicidebadger is not correct on certain aspects, your statement is also wrong.
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01/12/2020 13:16:06 1 1
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Guess what. Everything is made of carbon. Hence all and gas.
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01/12/2020 13:01:18 4 14
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Temperature changes have always preceded those of atmospheric CO2 levels, so it is always amazing that the AGW crowd put the cart before the horse. Not very bright would be a valid conclusion. But some of the climate doomsters are wolves in sheep's clothing and plan to make a lot of money from this global warming scam.
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01/12/2020 13:14:08 7 0
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Previous ice age cycles are though to have been driven by orbital changes, with those small heating effects magnified by CO2 release as permafrost melted. Therefore heating lagged CO2.

Today is different -- we are driving warming by releasing CO2 directly. Because the driver is different, temperature is lagging CO2.

See eg.:

https://institutions.newscientist.com/question/what-is-global-warming
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01/12/2020 11:25:05 12 2
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Actually just the difference between 300 and 400ppm of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere in a human lifetime
Like adding double glazing to a greenhouse
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01/12/2020 13:15:54 1 5
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I ran an experiment with my greenhouse & pumped CO2 into to raise the temp. Didnt work.
Any guesses why?
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01/12/2020 13:17:08 4 0
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No you didn't. That, is a lie.
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01/12/2020 13:34:29 5 0
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Because you're an incompetent scientist?
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01/12/2020 13:07:14 2 3
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But China target is after everyone else has gone through the costly greening of their economy. China only cares about itself & doesnt hide the fact.

Until China isnt the worst polluter by far, dont praise them.
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01/12/2020 13:16:04 5 1
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As stated in the article, China's per capita GHG emissions are lower than Europe and the US. Also let's not forget how much stuff we buy from China. You can't buy cheap stuff without cutting a few corners.
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01/12/2020 13:13:52 0 3
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@andyrwebman: you need carbon to make steel. The carbon comes from coal, so although Scuicidebadger is not correct on certain aspects, your statement is also wrong.
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01/12/2020 13:16:06 1 1
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Guess what. Everything is made of carbon. Hence all and gas.
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01/12/2020 13:15:54 1 5
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I ran an experiment with my greenhouse & pumped CO2 into to raise the temp. Didnt work.
Any guesses why?
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01/12/2020 13:17:08 4 0
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No you didn't. That, is a lie.
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01/12/2020 11:42:46 11 24
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Green tech appears great but given that to make these products requires fossil fuels and dependant on what it is multiple transits. The biggest weakness of wind is, it can't run 100% of the time its limited to a very short window, if I am remembering correcly its 5-12mph that is peak efficacy. Or rare earth metals like solar needs to work (rare earth metals are one of the worse poluters).
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01/12/2020 13:19:32 1 7
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https://energynumbers.info/uk-offshore-wind-capacity-factors

Look at the "Load duration curves" the important thing is that 50% of the time a 8MW WT only produces 2MW of power. So you need a minimum of 4x as many WTs in ideal locations. This is why so called equations for "proving" that WTs are green is basically null & void!
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01/12/2020 13:57:32 5 1
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Sure you know you should be using capacity factors. Average capacity factor over lifetime is 38.4%, which means installed capacity needs to be 100/38.4 assuming ZERO storage and ONLY using wind power.
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01/12/2020 17:51:18 1 0
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Part of the solution's inevitably going to be less consumption, fewer private cars, etc. This means that we won't be needing as much energy. So your assumption - that we need to carry on generating so much energy - isn't actually valid. You see, most energy is consumed extracting resources, processing, manufacturing and transporting stuff we don't need. It's all too pointless and polluting.
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Leo
01/12/2020 13:13:38 4 12
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Great news BBC! See you climate paniquers led by Gretta - things are not that bad! Same to the BLM movement - don't be such extremists, things are not that bad, and gradually improve with time!
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01/12/2020 13:19:53 9 4
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Ooo, a racist and a science denier. Too much YoU TuBey by any chance?
Leo there are people here as usual that work either for the EU the BBc or a similar entity .. these threads along with face book , you tube ,, twitter cannot be trusted . its over ... the people need to comeout in the millions it is the only way to change this power grab by dishonest manipulative greedy politicians Removed
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01/12/2020 13:13:00 2 2
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So their not building any more coal power stations then???
Can you provide us all with a link please!!
Yeah right!!
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01/12/2020 13:20:41 4 1
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UK is providing finance for coal power stations in Africa...
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01/12/2020 16:14:18 1 0
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Grumpy will be delighted.
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Leo
01/12/2020 13:23:06 3 2
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I do believe in renewable energy and in technology and the science. In 20-30 years the gas, oil, coal energy will be much lesser fraction than now. It is also a great thing to beat all those dictatorships like Russia or Saudi Arabia who use oil and gas to dictate to the world their wild customs and finance terrorism.
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01/12/2020 13:01:18 4 14
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Temperature changes have always preceded those of atmospheric CO2 levels, so it is always amazing that the AGW crowd put the cart before the horse. Not very bright would be a valid conclusion. But some of the climate doomsters are wolves in sheep's clothing and plan to make a lot of money from this global warming scam.
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01/12/2020 13:26:35 8 1
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Anyone using that argument knows that they are lying.
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01/12/2020 13:26:37 2 10
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So not the end of the world as Extinction Rebellion, Greta & the Eco-alarmists have been promoting.

Although if you read todays other article by alarmist Roger Harabin then it is in stark contrast with the Matts article based on science.

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01/12/2020 13:29:54 6 2
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Keep sticking your fingers in your ears.
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01/12/2020 13:39:50 6 0
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Sure you're reading the same article?
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01/12/2020 15:15:21 4 0
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No, when we do stuff and take action, its not devastating to the world. If we stopped doing stuff and taking action, it would be devastating to the world.

Note also the decadent use of the word 'optimistic' in this article! We arent out of the woods, but we are moving towards the path :)