Rishi Sunak warns 'economic emergency has only just begun'
25/11/2020 | news | business | 5,382
The pandemic will deal lasting damage to growth and jobs, the chancellor has warned.
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25/11/2020 14:52:16 15 24
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Now more than ever investment in public services must be genuine, effective and efficient.

Ignoring Labours over-used wasteful term 'Investment' which is simply code for profligacy.
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25/11/2020 14:57:26 3 3
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I'm all for equalization of pay & benefits of the Public Sector with the Private Sector. Higher pay in the public sector & no defined benefit pension schemes?

Paid for by rationalization? recent reports show that £3BN pa can be saved if local authorities were thinned down to 1 unitary authority per county. Similar again if they do same for NHS trusts?
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25/11/2020 14:52:25 360 34
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No sh*t Sherlock, just wait until January !!
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25/11/2020 14:57:39 287 172
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Ughh don't remind me.

Funny that a number of the same people saying that the economy should open up because a 10% fall in GDP results in X number of additional deaths dont make the same argument that we should cancel brexit to reduce suicides and other deaths,...
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25/11/2020 15:04:41 32 21
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As soon as read that news item I thought exactly the same. No worries as Landlords who’ve been acting as charities for tenants who used covid as an excuse not to pay rent will be hit by changes to CGT when they decide to sell up. All thanks to this toxic government with millionaire Sunak leading the charge. I don’t trust anyone in the HoP to run a tap these days !
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25/11/2020 15:09:05 22 89
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Wait til 2024.
Brexit speed bumps done.
Uk cheap n easy transportable vaccine saving lives in developing world.
Uk tax cuts see business invest in uk.
Jobs jobs jobs

Eu unemployment > uk unemployment.

Just wait ....
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25/11/2020 15:10:50 67 23
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Just heard that the london school of economics has forcasted that a no brexit will be more damaging to our economy than covid... now imagine what will happen when you combine the two... we are in trouble;

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2020/08/26/a-no-deal-brexit-may-still-be-more-costly-than-covid-19/
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25/11/2020 15:17:27 47 18
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If I could get a pound for every one who will be sorely disappointed when Brexit doesn't actually deliver what they've been sold - I'd say "This time next year I'll be a millionaire" !
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Ken
25/11/2020 15:29:01 20 2
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Economic effect of no deal Brexit worse than that of the Covid plague Bank of England governor says: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/23/no-deal-brexit-to-cost-more-than-covid-bank-of-england-governor-says
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25/11/2020 15:46:07 0 7
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yes will be a vast improvement then!
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25/11/2020 14:52:30 57 15
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Hope no more self inflicted injuries to the economy.
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25/11/2020 15:08:14 67 107
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The Government has blown away £200 Billion on the wind, with precious little to show for it, by continuing Coronavirus Measures beyond last April.
Just so they didn’t have to admit they Overreacted.
The irony is, if they had ‘fessed up then, I think most people would have forgiven them.
As is it, when the truth comes out, the inner Cabal will surely be pilloried for the rest of their naturals.
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25/11/2020 15:07:09 13 8
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Like Brexit you mean?
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25/11/2020 15:11:04 15 9
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We should probably cancel Brexit then...
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25/11/2020 15:23:39 7 9
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Yes, we must never vote Labour again. :-)
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25/11/2020 14:53:02 1156 216
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It seems odd that many of the same people who begged the government to shut down the whole country are now complaining about job losses, foreign aid being cut, and taxes going up. What on earth were they expecting?
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25/11/2020 14:54:52 257 308
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Many of the same? Please justify.
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25/11/2020 14:57:46 24 90
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Maybe it wasn't shutting down that did the damage. We know what LDs are for & saw what first one delivered. So maybe it was the packages of support put in place during lockdowns that was problematic.
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25/11/2020 14:57:54 40 32
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Everything for nothing
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25/11/2020 15:01:32 141 169
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They are Labour supporters who think money grows on trees
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25/11/2020 15:10:07 38 73
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Sounds like Guardian readers to me. Over on the Mail, that has a generally older and therefore more vulnerable to Covid readership, BTL posters are generally anti lockdown.
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25/11/2020 15:20:06 113 66
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I don't think many 'begged the Govt to shut down the whole country'. It was just an obvious and inevitable thing to do in the absence of vaccines and an effective (world beating!) track and trace system and in a country ill prepared for the arrival of a pandemic. Rishi & Co fortunate though in that much of the damage that is befalling the nation as a result of Brexit can be attributed to Covid!
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JC
25/11/2020 15:23:24 29 9
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How can you tell if they're the same people? Opinions are divided on many issues but nobody keeps a tally on individual members of the publics views especially HYS.
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25/11/2020 15:25:43 11 14
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We were expecting that due to Brexit before the virus so you are talking BS.
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25/11/2020 15:29:09 9 8
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Exactly. You're absolutely right.
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25/11/2020 15:29:56 6 6
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A free lunch!
Shut down too late means the virus is more engrained in the population meaning both a higher number of deaths and the lockdown must be longer and harsher then it needed to be

Dont you understand that?

This is the reason that under the watch of Boris Johnson the UK has the worst performing economy of any major nation worldwide
But, but, but... what about poor granny (aged 96 and with multiple underlying health issues). Surely it's worth destroying an entire nation and laying waste to millions of lives if it saves GRANNY!!!! (even if she then dies because she can't get an urgent life saving operation due to Covid being prioritised).

The sheep deserve all they get.
Removed
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25/11/2020 15:32:28 23 18
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And the problem is, the hundreds of billions have already been spent - gone in a puff of air with nothing to show for it. We are all going to be considerably worse off for decades to come. Meanwhile, increased deaths from other causes will far exceed anything Covid would have delivered.
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25/11/2020 15:33:29 10 4
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Some people can moan daily but remain inconsistent from each day to the next. They expect other people to be accountable but won't be taken to account.
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25/11/2020 15:34:47 24 16
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tell you what truffle shuffle, if we'd locked down in feb when we knew we had a problem etc, we;d not have half the problems now. If the Johnson hadn't refused to say anything to cummings trust would have been higher. But there do your thing
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Dee
25/11/2020 15:37:26 17 22
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Can those of us who called for no more lockdowns on the basis of real scientific evidence be exempt from extra taxes, pension cuts, stalled NHS treatment? Thought not. Hope everyone else enjoyed their furlough on the beach this year.
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25/11/2020 15:48:29 11 8
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If they had locked down early and effectively we would have been able to release the lockdown earlier.
Had they kept pub and restaurants closed or under strict controls we'd not need a 2nd lockdown.
If they'd used all testing options (labs in uni's, colleges, food co's, utilities, gov dpts) and acted to coordinate not just given contracts to chums we'd have had a working track and trace system...
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jag
25/11/2020 15:48:02 1 7
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I’m not glad we shut down the country and saved lives - same again in January.
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25/11/2020 15:50:26 13 4
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Really?
the "same people" - i think a wee tories is telling porkie pies..
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25/11/2020 15:53:31 7 2
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Point is that ukgovs own decisions led to high covid deaths and huge covid debt.
SE Asia Inc ozz & nz coped better with covid less deaths (Taiwan just 7), less economic damage.
SE Asia was hit by covid months before UK. Ukgov had months to watch, learn, copy, buy, improve on SE Asia efforts.. Instead world beating bad. Lab & MPs said nothing over 10 months.
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25/11/2020 15:58:24 3 13
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We didn't shut the borders and halt travel into the Country. Personally I hope the airlines go under because it was trying to save travel industry which brought on the mess. It should have been mothballed and life carryon without holiday abroad.

Anyway, the Global economy is firked and that is only just beginning.

China just sits there sucking it up and they need to be made to pay for this mess
25/11/2020 16:01:02 0 2
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Competence?
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25/11/2020 14:53:09 134 72
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Near 5% growth in 2021 with Covid still going for at least Q1Q2 and Brexit disaster in January?
Who makes up this rubbish?
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Jim
25/11/2020 15:02:39 25 5
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And are they saying return to normal by 2022?
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25/11/2020 15:18:55 7 1
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+5% after -12% may be possible, but it's just a partial rebound, still in big negative territory overall.
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25/11/2020 15:34:26 11 1
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Its very likely as even dead cats bounce if the defecit is high enough. Trouble is they're still dead.
25/11/2020 16:21:21 4 2
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You could have 5% growth, but if covid reduced gdp by say 15%, net result on 2019 gdp is - 10%.
Spin.. And bbc isn't really indepent of ukgov.. Other wise why would they spend 10% of bbc tax on world service?
25/11/2020 16:37:22 2 3
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People with more insight than you.
25/11/2020 17:29:12 2 1
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And your expertise comes from where?
26/11/2020 13:09:00 0 0
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Statistitions and Civil Servant in the ONS
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25/11/2020 14:53:15 459 18
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If the new infrastructure investment bank announced to help recover is to be effective, this needs to come with some serious support for project management and proper tendering: we’ve seen plenty how the likes of Crossrail and HS2 have seen spiralling costs and delays, we can’t afford anymore of this.
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25/11/2020 14:58:46 343 95
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Well said. And no more of the cronyism we've seen to the nth with Tory Gov's Covid response.
25/11/2020 16:02:30 15 3
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Add fails of multiple pfi, It, reorganisations, decade of austerity ( Economist mag calls wasted decade), Grenfell over 250 flammable hi rise UK wide, brexit which proves MPs are clueless on ukpublic thoughts.. In an Internet age when wfh is possible but MPs can't be bovvered to survey constituency or hold Q&A sessions online. Ukpublic would like UK success. Seems MPs the fail.
25/11/2020 16:03:27 11 2
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Bechtel. Crossrail and HS2 are set up wrong. Slave/Master contracts, adversarial and a** covering all the way.

And the Gov expects the private sector to train all these people on wafer thin margins. HS2 setting up for failure.
25/11/2020 16:26:14 7 2
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Indeed. We need decent people from industry, with good track records. Stuff personality, we need results.
25/11/2020 16:39:39 11 5
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And run by people with a business mentality not the bureaucratic jobsworth idiots who make the public sector so ineffective and wasteful
25/11/2020 17:41:51 3 1
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Worst in 300 years eh !!!

I guess that what happens when you build an economic society reliant on and based around relatively useless things like "tourism", "hospitality", "online call centres" selling subscriptions to non physical things like Cable/ Satellite or internet packages and no longer have a manufacturing base actually producing real products...

Ye reap what ye sow I suppose...
25/11/2020 17:43:51 8 1
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If the last 10 months of this shambolic govt is anything to go by, prepare to be disappointed. They have failed at every aspect of the Covid-19 crisis : PPE, Test & Trace, world-beating app, lockdowns etc. Not to mention high-value contracts to cronies. Unfortunately expect more of the same.
25/11/2020 18:11:23 1 1
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Some truth but much of the problem is our decision making.
When go ahead for a project takes 10 years of reviews and court challenges plus political indecision and is then subject to pages of changes and caveats, it is unrealistic to expect the original bid to stand.
Thank what Brexit and the sinking pound will do to current projects.
25/11/2020 18:33:19 0 2
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Ofcourse we can afford 'lots more of it'! That's what Governments are good at! Telling you that 'Debt' is 'Bad' and you could 'lose' your House and car' (which is what they want actually)..but then..magically...when you've been 'Beaten down' by the BBC & the Banks and other Globalists' they 'Magically' produce more currency and start you off...'Right from the Bottom'..All over again! :-)
25/11/2020 18:35:56 2 1
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Just wait till they start on the defence spending! They have a big pot to squander and have a good track record of mismanagement of contracts and budgets.
SJ
25/11/2020 19:44:24 1 1
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Yes. Localism would be better than megaprojects.
26/11/2020 14:28:34 0 0
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What we cant afford is buying more american fighter jets, belgium guns, chinese uniforms, german police cars, french software.... ALL of these represent money leaving the UK. IF we had full employment and our people were better used doing other jobs there could be a justification, while 20% are in part time work or sat doing nothing there is NO, ZERO, NADA justification for buying foreign goods.
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25/11/2020 14:53:16 12 12
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On the plus side, Brexit won't look anywhere near as bad now!
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25/11/2020 14:55:43 13 10
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Apparently it will do twice as much damage as Covid. According to the Governor of the Bank of England.
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25/11/2020 15:00:01 5 2
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Are you serious? Brexit electively adding layer on layer of complexity & problems to an already damaged economy is the height of stupidity & irresponsibility.
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25/11/2020 14:54:03 44 42
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If the Government spent less time and money messing around with Brexit, we'd all be much better off. Pragmatism, rather than dogma.
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25/11/2020 14:57:04 36 25
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Your name says it all, get over it, it happened 11 months ago
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25/11/2020 15:03:17 5 9
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The people voted for it rightly or wrongly
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25/11/2020 15:04:09 15 6
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Absolutely. We've already left the EU. Brexit has been 'done'. In the face of Covid, it was completely unnecessary to stick to an arbitrary deadline for the full-on break with EU. It could easily have been delayed a bit, to give us & our economy a chance to recover from the Covid hit. The height of irresponsibility. Populists clinging to symbolism, rather than being pragmatic.
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25/11/2020 14:54:10 16 22
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The pandemic is not causing this. Lockdown is causing this. I wish they would stop lying to the people. The decision was made to punish the young for decades to protect the old. Tell the truth and we'd probably forgive you for a while...
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25/11/2020 14:55:51 15 12
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Pandemic equals lockdown, protect lives, get it
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25/11/2020 14:59:39 2 2
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The lockdown is precisely to protect the elderly and those more at risk... what's your point?
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25/11/2020 15:06:47 2 1
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what do they get out of lying.. tell me.. where is the benefit to be had from lying.. pathetic
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25/11/2020 14:54:34 10 10
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If you think this is bad, look what’s coming in January...

2.6 million unemployed is like the 20,000 deaths. Scary but will be far worse to come
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25/11/2020 14:54:39 11 8
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Mass borrowing already and still loads to come with furlough on till the end of March, when will they realise their Covid strategy has gone too far now?
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25/11/2020 15:06:02 7 5
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when people stop dying.. isn't that a strong enough argument.. I assume you haven't lost anyone during this pandemic.. I very nearly did, but instead have a son with half a lung instead..
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25/11/2020 14:54:43 10 13
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This crisis has been exacerbated by 10 years of economic mismanagement. Just imagine if they had eliminated the deficit 5 years ago?!

We could have had plenty of financial headroom to deal with the current crisis without ending up with a larger debt then GDP!

All we get is tinkering around the edges. When will we get on with making the fundamental changes needed to make finances sustainable?
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25/11/2020 15:04:22 2 8
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lets concentrate on the mismanagement of when the tories took over from labour.. you remember the post it note on the desk saying there was no money left... the basis of where we were was bourne from Labour.. you seem to forget at your leisure
25/11/2020 19:53:11 1 1
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I think the mismanagement goes back much further than 10 years....
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25/11/2020 14:54:49 275 95
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It seems odd that many of the same people who begged the government to shut down the whole country are now complaining about job losses, foreign aid being cut, and taxes going up. What on earth were they expecting? Here's hoping Britain bounces back over the next few years. We need collective positivity and constructive conversation, not more negativity from the press because it helps no one.
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25/11/2020 15:01:07 182 84
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'collective positivity'??

Hate to be the one to break it to you but wishful thinking doesn't have much impact in the real world. If we all close our eyes & cross our fingers it won't result in a great trade deal with the planet's largest trading bloc.
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25/11/2020 15:02:46 10 14
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so so right.. well said
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25/11/2020 15:09:53 29 2
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It seems odd that you keep making the same comments time and time again.
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25/11/2020 15:46:42 16 7
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Positivity? Here you go, "I'm positive that the present government and Brexit will bring poverty and misery to millions, and benefits to the present government and their cronies.
25/11/2020 16:26:16 2 1
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start with yourself bro, you're the one with the negative attitude to your countrymen.
25/11/2020 16:45:18 1 2
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You posted this twice. Is this how you win Have Your Say, just spam away until your post gets voted up?
25/11/2020 16:56:16 0 2
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Amen
25/11/2020 17:14:39 3 2
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I'd be a lot more positive if we weren't deliberately trashing our economy from 1st January,

Sunaks growth forecast is wildly optimistic.
25/11/2020 19:27:52 0 1
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again, in English
25/11/2020 23:13:49 0 0
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Beep boop, bot alert
26/11/2020 12:58:36 0 0
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Charity starts at home, why are we handing £bn's out to the likes of Indoa and worse Chian who have caised this pandemic. Just add on the list...Argentina, Brazil, Nigeria, malaysia, and many of the up coming oil economies
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25/11/2020 14:53:02 1156 216
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It seems odd that many of the same people who begged the government to shut down the whole country are now complaining about job losses, foreign aid being cut, and taxes going up. What on earth were they expecting?
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25/11/2020 14:54:52 257 308
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Many of the same? Please justify.
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25/11/2020 15:21:33 28 13
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Justify or Clarify - Not sure what your point is.
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25/11/2020 15:52:31 0 2
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Did you not watch the post announcement questions in Parlaiment?
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25/11/2020 14:55:13 16 12
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Well I never. All this unnecessary panic and fraud has left us with a bill the workers among us will be paying off for ever. Who knew?
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25/11/2020 15:07:15 5 3
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Who else is there to pay for it ? The fairies
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jon
25/11/2020 15:19:11 1 1
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We will probably be repaying for the next 50 years. We only cleared our WWII debt in 2006 when Ed Balls was in the Treasury.
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25/11/2020 14:55:22 322 16
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The fallout from Covid-19 is going to make the banking bailout seem like a party.

Unfortunately it will be the people in the middle who will suffer most.

Please fasten your seatbelts.
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25/11/2020 15:02:21 68 146
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will i have to sell the porsche? and does tis mean no more Quinoa?
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25/11/2020 15:11:20 39 3
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It's always the people in the middle who come off worst. This is particularly true if you are foolish enough to have savings.
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25/11/2020 15:31:34 17 6
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As usual - pay people to stay home and twiddle their thumbs then clobber the "middle class" to pay for it.
opp
25/11/2020 18:04:02 0 1
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Just wait till January
25/11/2020 18:21:12 3 1
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Working class will suffer. The rich and and companies have made a mint. I know so many companies and businesses pretending to furlough staff it’s a joke, and a lot of self employed who’s work has flourished will be getting the best part of £30k this tax year. Sunak simply doesn’t have a clue what is going on, not living in the real world, and also fraudsters have a made it.Those struggling no help
25/11/2020 19:17:07 0 1
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You do mean people at the bottom.? Those in the middle are ok when it gets bad for them it means eating out less or knocking the foreign holiday on the head.
SJ
25/11/2020 19:47:17 0 1
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No. It's the poorest who suffer most. And the young.
26/11/2020 08:37:37 0 0
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What's worse- pay a bit more tax but get an inflationary increase in April, or lose your job and your house?
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25/11/2020 14:55:32 32 24
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Nows the time to ditch HS2 to save £Billions or even better scrap Brexit
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25/11/2020 14:58:58 16 9
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Brexit is done.
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25/11/2020 15:01:36 4 4
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wrong.. now is the time to invest in the north
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25/11/2020 15:05:44 8 2
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Now is the time to invest in infrastructure. Borrowing is cheap and it creates jobs
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jon
25/11/2020 14:55:41 12 8
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National debt not looking good for Starmer in 2024!
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25/11/2020 14:58:14 8 10
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Oh dear, luckily he's good Annelise Dodds to help him. How we laughed.
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25/11/2020 15:01:12 2 5
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starmer and labour philosophy is.... add to it... thats why they were drubbed last year.. Starmer and Labour.. call that debt!! you aint seen nothin yet
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25/11/2020 15:05:32 0 5
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He doesn't need to worry.
He's no chance
5th loss for Labour on it's way
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25/11/2020 15:09:26 0 4
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He won't need to worry about that.
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25/11/2020 15:13:57 0 6
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The last time they left a note "there is no money left" if he gets in he will still have a better position than the last Labour Government left and Brown/Blair were slightly left of centre unlike Starmer who is far left just like Corbyn.
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25/11/2020 14:55:42 252 39
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9/10th of Developed Nations & much of Developing World has been economically clobbered by Covid responses. So most of us are in the same boat. Most of us need to do whatever we can to help our respective economies springboard back. What we DON'T need to do is to start trying to pay down the debt / deficit in the immediate future. Nor clobber key workers.
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25/11/2020 15:00:01 310 309
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lets wait for Labour spending pledges, lets wait for the labour once again negatively attacking when what we want to hear is them all coming together. Labour have been shown to wrong on lockdown on spending and still on racism in the party.. pathetic
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25/11/2020 15:06:09 30 13
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How many in the Public Sector have been clobbered by losing their jobs? Those on less than the National average wage are not having a pay freeze
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25/11/2020 15:14:46 37 19
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Love how people tie 'Key Workers' to 'Public Servce Workers', we would have struggled without food, water, electricity, house repairs...to name but a few.

Now most of these 'Key Workers' from the private sector are going to be subject to job losses, pay freezes, pay reductions etc. as a result of the pandemic, so no, Public Sector workers are not being clobbered!
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25/11/2020 15:25:58 10 5
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Debt is what you owe and pay interest on. The deficit is difference between your spending to your income. Neither will be coming down soon. Plus the £14 billion that some MP's want to be sent abroad is all borrowed money.
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25/11/2020 15:56:15 2 15
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Rubbish. State employees, need a big pay cut they drain money out of the system far too much, along with white elephant mates pay offs like hs2. When spending is above income, cut spending, pay off debt. Not go borrowing more pretending it will be an investment. Pay is a leach on money no investment.
25/11/2020 16:09:13 5 2
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But SE Asia Inc ozz & nz coped far better with covid than stupid ukgov.
Ukgov had months to watch, learn, copy, buy, improve on SE Asia response & .. Didnt.
The scale of UK deaths and covid economic debt is down to ukgov decisions. All that is reported online but not by bbc.
Ukgov also have chumocracy, fails of pfi, reorganisations, austerity decade, Grenfell UK wide flammable cladding to explain.
TC
25/11/2020 17:50:59 1 1
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A debt jubilee might kick start a more soundly based world economy. Also, disavow neo-liberalism and evils it has wrought. Disaggregate multinational conglomerates. Return to the gold standard. Tightly tax financial dynasties. Close loopholes. Get rid of rentier economics as with supposed 'intellectual property'. Forbid algorithmic trading. Cap wealth not available for entrepreneurial use. ETC.
25/11/2020 21:11:03 0 0
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What we don't need is to go into a debt spiral that we can't afford to get out of.
26/11/2020 00:08:41 1 0
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Most countries aren't isolating themselves from their main source of income as the same time as a global pandemic.

If Brexit wasn't a bad idea before, is an absolute stinker now!
26/11/2020 12:55:12 0 0
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Just exactly who are 'key workers'. Seesm like evryone could fall into that boat if you owrk and pay tax.
What it is time for is for people to wake up and realise the crud being peddled continuously by the likes of Andy Burnham and the momentum numpties. This economic crisis will heurt all but worse of all it will hurt middle Britain
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25/11/2020 14:53:16 12 12
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On the plus side, Brexit won't look anywhere near as bad now!
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25/11/2020 14:55:43 13 10
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Apparently it will do twice as much damage as Covid. According to the Governor of the Bank of England.
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25/11/2020 14:55:47 40 21
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Let's not make a bad situation worse by following a hard Brexit ideology. More than ever, we need a wide-ranging and comprehensive free trade deal with our nearest and most valuable trading partners.
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25/11/2020 15:02:37 39 24
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We already HAD that then some plank said LETS LEAVE THE EU. Well done to all those planks who voted for it.
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25/11/2020 15:16:49 1 3
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Pity the Government hadn't known in 2016/17/18 that Civid was coming. The EU are also looking for a hard Brexit.
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25/11/2020 14:54:10 16 22
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The pandemic is not causing this. Lockdown is causing this. I wish they would stop lying to the people. The decision was made to punish the young for decades to protect the old. Tell the truth and we'd probably forgive you for a while...
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25/11/2020 14:55:51 15 12
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Pandemic equals lockdown, protect lives, get it
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25/11/2020 15:01:25 1 4
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far more lives lost because of lockdown than saved, but hey keep believing the Ministry of Truth
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25/11/2020 14:55:52 11 8
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"We've only just begun....So many roads to choose....". Wasn't that The Carpenters (1970). And the joys of Brexit just around the corner to add to the misery. It should be a great 2021. Happy Christmas everyone.
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25/11/2020 14:58:13 6 11
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full of typical downtrodden misery, get a grip, why always look on the dark side and never the positive influences that can be gained and will be gained in the years to come
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Waz
25/11/2020 14:56:28 608 109
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We can start by clawing back the £billions for the not-fit-for-purpose PPE, then continue by tackling off-shore accounts, followed by taxing internet retailing giants. As per usual, it will be the typical hardworking person to pay the costs of negligence and greed at the very top. Remember, taxes were originally introduced for the rich, not the poor. Funny how the rich have turned that table!
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25/11/2020 15:07:37 150 22
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You must be thinking of Robin Hood. Taxes were not introduced for the rich even peasants had to pay. They were just a means of getting money to spend 'on behalf of' the people the taxes had been taken form
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25/11/2020 15:09:11 30 19
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I agree we should hit large internet retailers hard. Your assertion about rich vs poor is incorrect though. The poorest pay very little in tax. The richest pay huge sums. Someone earning £20k p.a. will pay just under £2,800 in tax and Nat Ins, i.e. a 14% deduction. Someone earning £1m will pay nearly £460,000, a 44% deduction. The higher earner also has significantly restricted pension tax relief.
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25/11/2020 15:09:53 16 23
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The politics of envy is still alive.
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25/11/2020 15:11:46 20 16
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They do tax the internet giants. Just because they don't pay what you think they should is a different matter.
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25/11/2020 15:16:08 19 23
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It will be civil servants that signed off the orders for that unfit for purpose PPE without checking. Perhaps we should make them all wear it for the next ten years. :-)
25/11/2020 16:04:20 5 12
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Would that be the same internet retailers that have created thousands of new jobs and just pledged to create tens of thousands more, and to build new national hubs therefore employing more people in construction and transport? you mean those evil internet retailers? yea, we'd better stop them before it's too late! I mean we don't need them going around creating employment.
25/11/2020 16:08:45 7 4
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How about investigating all the millions the government ministers have put in off-shore accounts and other investments? Also make the highly overpaid government ministers, etc, take a three quarters of their salaries pay cut, as all they have proved this year that they are nothing but a massive waste of space, and have destroyed the livelihoods and jobs of hundreds of thousands of people.
25/11/2020 16:26:23 3 2
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HOW exactly do you 'claw back' such ill-spent money? Was it illegally-spent? No - just unwisely and to greedy people. 'Twas ever thus and there is nothing to claw back.
25/11/2020 16:59:21 2 2
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Hello flowers. Hello trees. Hello little woodland creatures. Thank you for the tasty mushrooms and lovely grass.
25/11/2020 17:19:03 1 1
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To true, what I don't get is why 64 people have given you thumbs down, are they all selfish rich scum or just idiots
25/11/2020 17:26:31 0 2
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0.5% or less of 32b spend =160m, tops. But don't let facts get in the way of Labour party spin.
Over 99.5% was perfectly OK, which is probably about par for the course in any event.
the only things that will be addressed, are the things that lose the government money

any "issues" that cause people (tax) to lose money, won't be looked at.
25/11/2020 18:17:03 1 1
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The EU are trying to tackle these issues - better collective purchasing of PPE, tax avoidance, technology and other international giants, etc
What did you think were the real reasons for Brexit?
25/11/2020 19:32:14 0 2
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Now I'm not rich, but I went mind betting the richest 5% pay at least 20% of our countries total tax or something daft...they don't all dodge it.
25/11/2020 19:41:27 0 3
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"We can start by clawing back the £billions for the not-fit-for-purpose PPE, then continue by tackling off-shore accounts, followed by taxing internet retailing giants"

Have you ever considered your ideas to be fantasies with no chance of actually happening?
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25/11/2020 14:56:39 9 7
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The grim economic reality is that we are in for many tough years and tough choices. Sunk is giving 4 bilion to Defence but getting that by freezing Public sector pay. Voters will have to decide at the next election if they agree the right choices are made.
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25/11/2020 15:00:23 4 2
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Like the last election ?.
141
25/11/2020 15:07:27 2 1
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Voting for political parties is like voting for the Chuckle brothers both just as bad & neither makes any difference.
148
25/11/2020 15:08:25 0 6
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If Labour get in god help us
26
25/11/2020 14:56:54 186 54
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slightly random but .....Make public sector workers retire when everyone else does
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25/11/2020 14:59:18 149 16
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or stop raising the age that you can access your private pension?

then people may be able to retire & free up jobs in the private sector. (not to mention its our money we have saved & would like to get back at some point but Gov keep moving the goal posts)
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25/11/2020 15:01:24 60 27
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Where the hell has this hatred of the public sector come from? Here's some actual facts for you : we get paid less than the private sector for the same work. Final salary pensions do not exist anymore. The pensions we do have are VERY expensive in terms of employee contributions. That on top of the fact we're generally higher qualified and educated than the private sector. Hardly a gravy train.
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25/11/2020 15:10:44 18 2
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We already do.
258
25/11/2020 15:13:37 43 1
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What???? I am a Public Sector Worker and my retirement age is currently 68. I cannot retire before then and access my local government pension.....
589
25/11/2020 15:32:56 20 4
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You do know that public sector retirement age has risen significantly recently, that they still cannot access their state pension till state retirement age and pay income tax on it all too? I had to work till I was 67 in a classroom full of 30 teenagers. Not that easy a job, or even a decent pension since the changes.
25/11/2020 16:33:43 0 3
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We can't afford to!
25/11/2020 16:34:57 1 1
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Make people wind down at work as they become less able and more out of date. No employee should be forced to stop working, no employer should be forced to pay increasingly obsolete staff the highest pay they received in their career. The whole thing is crazy. Some people just WILL NOT LEAVE and the managers are too scared to deal with it.
25/11/2020 17:51:58 0 1
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So that'll be never then. Sounds fair enough to me.
as
25/11/2020 18:40:35 2 1
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Actually most do. It would also be good to allow them lunch breaks, company cars, and private healthcare like many private sector employees receive.
25/11/2020 19:08:26 1 1
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Current CS retirement pension scheme has a normal retirement age of the later of 65 or state pension age.
25/11/2020 21:41:17 1 0
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They have to work until 67/68 before they get their pension, and thats a fact!
25/11/2020 22:14:48 0 0
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Not sure what age you retire but the civil service pension (no longer final salary) is now inline with the state retirement age now which the gov can raise wherever they want
8
25/11/2020 14:54:03 44 42
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If the Government spent less time and money messing around with Brexit, we'd all be much better off. Pragmatism, rather than dogma.
27
25/11/2020 14:57:04 36 25
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Your name says it all, get over it, it happened 11 months ago
56
25/11/2020 15:00:17 16 6
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Are you enjoying the sunlit uplands and all that lovely sovereignty you have won? I'm sure it will go a long way towards paying the mortgage and putting food on the table.
61
25/11/2020 15:01:14 13 5
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We left the transition 11 months ago? Oh wait, we didn't. ????
305
25/11/2020 15:17:43 0 6
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He cant, he's on here daily moaning about it, him and democracy dont mix, its him and him and him only.....
28
25/11/2020 14:57:06 16 9
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Did they plan for post January 1st or just planning to fail?
1
25/11/2020 14:52:16 15 24
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Now more than ever investment in public services must be genuine, effective and efficient.

Ignoring Labours over-used wasteful term 'Investment' which is simply code for profligacy.
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25/11/2020 14:57:26 3 3
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I'm all for equalization of pay & benefits of the Public Sector with the Private Sector. Higher pay in the public sector & no defined benefit pension schemes?

Paid for by rationalization? recent reports show that £3BN pa can be saved if local authorities were thinned down to 1 unitary authority per county. Similar again if they do same for NHS trusts?
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25/11/2020 15:13:49 1 4
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Public sector workers have total job security and gold plated pensions. I know I was one. If they want equal pay with the private sector then they must also give up their pensions and other perks. I was also in the private sector, I had to pay 8 times more than I paid in the Civil Service to get something approaching a similar pension.
298
25/11/2020 15:17:40 0 2
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I've always wondered why we needed so many councils/trusts covering geographically small areas.
25/11/2020 16:41:49 1 1
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That didn't work. That's why they were separated.
30
25/11/2020 14:57:39 4 4
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Not to worry we have climbed the bean stalk and found a magical goose.
2
25/11/2020 14:52:25 360 34
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No sh*t Sherlock, just wait until January !!
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25/11/2020 14:57:39 287 172
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Ughh don't remind me.

Funny that a number of the same people saying that the economy should open up because a 10% fall in GDP results in X number of additional deaths dont make the same argument that we should cancel brexit to reduce suicides and other deaths,...
Brexit suicides - brilliant. Removed
I think you would find cancelling Brexit would make the death rate increase dramatically due to the physical removal of the government it would cause. Removed
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25/11/2020 15:25:52 3 28
bbc
Brexit causes suicides? Where would that be - Brussels? Romania?
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25/11/2020 15:43:46 2 18
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What has Brexit got to do with suicides? I have to agree that the lockdowns have not worked for either the economy or health but the powers that be insist that this is the correct course of action. Time to change the record & the narrative. We should be building an economy for future generations & not for those whose working life is over & are a drain on national resources.
25/11/2020 16:06:23 1 4
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What deaths and suicides has Brexit caused?
25/11/2020 16:10:11 1 5
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Are you still going on about Brexit ??????????????
25/11/2020 16:13:39 1 7
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I'm looking forward to getting cheaper, better food in a way that doesn't penalise the 3rd world as the current EU deals do. You're no doubt ignorant of the fact that the EU makes us pay huge tariffs for products brought in from the 3rd world + keeps the poor in their place when it comes to banning imports of products that compete with EU countries.
25/11/2020 16:15:22 0 16
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Brexit is our only hope for rescuing the economy, the EU is going down the pan.
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25/11/2020 14:57:45 282 153
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best thing was the foreign aid cut like it or not charity should and thank gord is now gonna start to begin at home
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25/11/2020 15:02:34 103 254
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Only supported by ignorant people, of course
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25/11/2020 15:09:48 17 20
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Foreign aid is not charity. It is often used to help direct others in line with our will.
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25/11/2020 15:09:51 22 4
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Great depression song in the USA many moons ago:-

Buddy, can you spare a dime?

Charity should be taught at home so that it can be practised outside the home. Care for others in the way you would be wished to be cared for, if you were in similar circumstances.
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25/11/2020 15:11:49 6 24
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Next your say I pay taxes,give it a rest please you old tory frxxs
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25/11/2020 15:10:52 35 14
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but it would have been better if the cut had been £ 8 billion.
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25/11/2020 15:24:26 22 18
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Foreign aid is dependent on GDP, which will be rather low next year! This cut is mainly aimed at pleasing those who want to stop helping those around the world who are in dire straits than saving much towards our own recovery and the saving in miniscule to us.
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25/11/2020 15:28:37 19 51
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You should be ashamed of yourself, as should the government.
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25/11/2020 15:39:08 5 9
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Spot on treetree..
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Ben
25/11/2020 15:43:39 9 20
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'Cut foreign aid' on the one hand.......'Why do these people keep coming over here taking our jobs on the other' The mindset right there of a Brexit nitwit. We spend less than 1% of GDP on foreign aid. I'm proud to live in a country that helps others much less fortunate where we can. People against this are just morons.
754
25/11/2020 15:44:46 10 17
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Yeah sure - guns over grain every time.

Typical right-wing drivel.
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25/11/2020 15:46:55 7 11
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How soon before we are going to richer, more successful nations to help us now that we have acknowledged we are a small third world country on the edge of a massive economic power bloc which we have spurned?
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25/11/2020 15:46:55 12 13
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Foreign Aid supports our interests abroad and gives us presence. Without it, our trade and international collaboration suffer. Global Britain? It is a big cut to a tiny amount of our total budget (0.7%-0.5%). Meanwhile our "defence" budget has increased £10bn. Pandering to jingoism. Don't help people, make them do what we say at the point of a gun.
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25/11/2020 16:00:20 8 14
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Hope you & your sort are ready for the more immigration it will cause by creating even more poverty.
25/11/2020 16:07:19 16 6
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Imagine if we'd thought that way during lockdown and refused to pay for your furlough out of my taxes? Luckily, we thought you were worth helping out, even though we don't know you, we have no idea whether you are a productive member of society or a feckless drain on our national resources, and probably couldn't stand the sight of you. You are a fellow human being in need, and that's all.
25/11/2020 16:09:26 5 9
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Come on, I like seeing my taxes going to countries with spaceships and nuclear bombs.
And others that after decades still haven't worked out that going toilet in your drinking water is bad for you.
I often wonder how we as a species got out of the trees, other than by falling.
25/11/2020 16:30:02 6 7
bbc
What a vile and illiterate comment.
25/11/2020 16:32:10 6 4
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"charity should and thank gord is now gonna start to begin at home"

So why did Marcus Rashford have to hammer the government, TWICE, to get the 'home charity'?
25/11/2020 16:32:24 6 2
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Not all foreign aid is giving freebies to other countries. If you do proper research on the so called foreign aid given to China. It’s actually funds to promote human rights, fighting against illegal wildlife trade and pressuring China to go green. Some are genuine aid but others are used to meddle in the foreign countries.
25/11/2020 16:41:33 4 6
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Amazing the number of people supporting the cut in foreign aid and thus undermining our international prestige at a time we need it most!
25/11/2020 16:43:22 5 4
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Here, here. I had 22 years of witnessing at first hand the farce, waste and corruption that characterizes so much foreign aid (with the honorable exception of targeted disaster relief). And the claim that aid is in Britain's interest is laughable (not to mentionof questionable morality).
25/11/2020 17:01:26 1 2
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Then don’t look for countries to bail UK out in a few years after the Tories totally F#£k the economy. Ten years of austerity to get rid of an £800billion deficit to only see it INCREASE to OVER £2 TRILLION. I really hate to think what it will be like in the next few years after Brexit kicks in too.
25/11/2020 17:43:11 1 1
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Actually that £4Bn is going directly into the defence budget. Charity at home gets nothing.
25/11/2020 18:51:49 0 3
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Hear hear! Well said.
Idiot. We became rich as a country on the back of our conquests of the rest of the world. We owe them the money back Removed
26/11/2020 08:20:15 0 1
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Eh?
26/11/2020 08:55:32 1 0
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Yes I agree. We give billions to Pakistan, yet the country of 200 million people has virtually no tax collecting system and collects tax from about 2% of the population.

The law abiding tax payers of the UK should never support a country that will not organise itself to collect taxes.

Pakistan can afford to buy lots of weapons but seeming won't look after its own people. Shameful country.
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25/11/2020 14:53:02 1156 216
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It seems odd that many of the same people who begged the government to shut down the whole country are now complaining about job losses, foreign aid being cut, and taxes going up. What on earth were they expecting?
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25/11/2020 14:57:46 24 90
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Maybe it wasn't shutting down that did the damage. We know what LDs are for & saw what first one delivered. So maybe it was the packages of support put in place during lockdowns that was problematic.
346
25/11/2020 15:20:16 7 8
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?????
810
25/11/2020 15:47:51 4 12
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LD 1 was a disaster.
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25/11/2020 14:53:02 1156 216
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It seems odd that many of the same people who begged the government to shut down the whole country are now complaining about job losses, foreign aid being cut, and taxes going up. What on earth were they expecting?
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25/11/2020 14:57:54 40 32
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Everything for nothing
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25/11/2020 14:57:54 17 4
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No return to austerity? For some possibly, but not for those who have had their salaries frozen.

No mention of the freezing of this years income tax allowances to last years, 2019/2020 amount.
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25/11/2020 14:54:42 32 29
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“ Rishi Sunak warns 'economic emergency has only just begun'”

THIS IS A TERRIFYING RESULT OF RECKLESS SPENDING.

We really should not have done furlough for so long.
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25/11/2020 15:01:46 26 25
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its a result of 10 years of mismanagement and then a year of acute derangement.....
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25/11/2020 15:02:24 4 3
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Agree, he's kept the place warm by burning £50 notes
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25/11/2020 15:13:20 6 2
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So, there were 2 alternatives I could see.
1) Mass unemployment, costing similar amounts in benefits, misery for millions more, businesses going bust, and everyone being even poorer
2) Massive increase in infections and deaths

Which of those would have been a better option?
439
25/11/2020 15:24:29 1 3
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You're obviously in a ring fenced job. Do you work in the Public Sector?
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25/11/2020 15:33:38 2 1
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"We really should not have done furlough for so long."

Only if we had kept control, which we didn't - whose fault is that (not following the science)?

That said, furlough could and should have been dramatically finessed, so we all felt some pain rather than giving "situation normal" levels of money, thus almost fully protecting banks and landlords.
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25/11/2020 14:55:43 16 25
bbc
Good to see the Left whingers going apoplectic. Next it will be calls for civil disobedience, marches in Whitehall and the Red Flag, all under the auspices of an internally riven Labour Party. Mirth in the Shires.
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25/11/2020 15:03:37 1 1
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Are you instigating those rebellious acts?
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25/11/2020 15:10:37 2 1
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Tory rubbish as usual
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25/11/2020 14:58:09 29 25
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The only thing bigger in 2021 will be the grave the Tories are digging for the UK with their twin disasters of Brexit and bungled COVID
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25/11/2020 14:58:12 19 18
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Interesting that this was only mentioned around Covid impact - no doubt politcial spin from Bojo about not mentioning the disastrous Brexit coming at end of transition peiod in 5 weeks.

Current estimates that Brexit will have an even bigger impact on economy than Covid.

Well done Brexiteers - when the country is in dire need and on its knees, we knew we could rely on you to get stuck in.
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25/11/2020 15:05:29 1 8
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Better off propping up a dozen busted countries whilst taking in criminals, glad we are leaving, there might actually be some jobs left for British taxpayers.
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25/11/2020 15:22:34 0 3
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If you knew Covid was coming why didn't tell everyone?
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25/11/2020 14:55:52 11 8
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"We've only just begun....So many roads to choose....". Wasn't that The Carpenters (1970). And the joys of Brexit just around the corner to add to the misery. It should be a great 2021. Happy Christmas everyone.
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25/11/2020 14:58:13 6 11
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full of typical downtrodden misery, get a grip, why always look on the dark side and never the positive influences that can be gained and will be gained in the years to come
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25/11/2020 14:56:17 21 29
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CANCEL BREXIT TO SAVE 80bn
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25/11/2020 15:02:19 7 13
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Cancel democracy. Great idea!!!
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25/11/2020 15:02:44 1 3
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So less than one year's funding of the NHS?
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25/11/2020 15:03:06 2 3
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LOL, You better get used to the reality -
It's not going to happen
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25/11/2020 15:03:36 4 5
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Erm I think you'll find we would be saddeled with hundreds of billions of Covid debt that countries can't afford to pay back, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Spain, Italy, etc are all bust it will be down to the Germans and French to pay the lot back, we've dodged a bullet more likely.
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25/11/2020 15:04:14 2 2
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And HS2 for another 80bn
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25/11/2020 15:14:05 0 5
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Will the Remoaners please drop this stupid argument.

WE WILL BE FAR BETTER OFF ONCE WE'RE OUT OF THIS CORRUPT EU GROUP!!!
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25/11/2020 15:16:00 1 2
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The U.K. left the EU on the 31st January 2020
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25/11/2020 15:17:08 2 1
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I want to clarify my point in case I have caused offense or concern.

I only want to cancel Brexit because it’s really unfair that some in the UK have been dealt a “double whammy” - 17.4m have not only had their Brexit vote disrespected but also now have lost their jobs and dignity
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25/11/2020 15:21:30 0 3
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You think
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25/11/2020 14:58:03 25 22
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Mr Sunak you are doing your best. Unfortunately only one Nation, not anywhere in the Western Hemisphere, appears to have made an awful lot of money whilst the rest of the World suffers. Nothing to be done except hold ones nose until we have been vaccinated and then watch the worms come out of the wood. Stay safe and keep the faith and thank you Mr Sunak, you have done your best
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25/11/2020 14:59:54 18 17
bbc
Excuse me why I throw up...
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25/11/2020 15:20:50 1 3
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Sense at last
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jon
25/11/2020 14:55:41 12 8
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National debt not looking good for Starmer in 2024!
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25/11/2020 14:58:14 8 10
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Oh dear, luckily he's good Annelise Dodds to help him. How we laughed.
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25/11/2020 14:53:15 459 18
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If the new infrastructure investment bank announced to help recover is to be effective, this needs to come with some serious support for project management and proper tendering: we’ve seen plenty how the likes of Crossrail and HS2 have seen spiralling costs and delays, we can’t afford anymore of this.
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25/11/2020 14:58:46 343 95
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Well said. And no more of the cronyism we've seen to the nth with Tory Gov's Covid response.
25/11/2020 16:24:09 9 2
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If you don't want 'cronyism' you are going to be disappointed. Corruption can only flourish further in the 'recovery'.
25/11/2020 16:29:42 7 14
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Yes, if only Labour had won the election everything would be fine.
25/11/2020 16:44:15 9 8
bbc
If you lived through the mid to late seventies you would know how well nationalised industries "flourished". The failure of nationalisation caused the move to the private funded initiatives.
25/11/2020 22:24:39 0 0
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Or any gov left, centre or right!
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25/11/2020 14:58:58 22 25
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in the last decade of Tory rule my public sector pay was frozen for 4 years had 1% pay rises for 3 years and had only begun to recover much of the lost ground. Meanwhile my wife in the private sector never went a year without a 3% award and a bonus. Frankly I have done my bit, enough is enough! Never in my life have I taken industrial action but now..... bring it on. This Government is outrageous
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25/11/2020 15:01:32 13 10
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I worked in the Public Sector all my life and never expected a pay rise .All this debt and you expect more, unbelievable!
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25/11/2020 15:02:52 5 2
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private-sector workers’ wages fell by nearly 1% up to September, whereas public sector rose by almost 4%
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25/11/2020 15:05:33 0 1
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And who did you vote for in 2019?
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25/11/2020 15:06:07 4 1
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Maybe your wife worked for an industry where they generated sufficient profits to justify the pay rise/bonus. The public sector rarely does. I work in it too and the government don't have the power to curb pay across the board but at least it can rein it's own spending in.
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25/11/2020 15:11:14 2 3
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Yet, I have not had a pay rise for over 5 years now in the private sector. Whereas my family members who are in the public sector have had between 1 and 3% rises.
It all depends who you work for and how your business is doing in the real world.

We all have to pay for the last governments massive borrowing, there's no way to hide the facts of what Gordon Brown did to this country!
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25/11/2020 15:19:09 1 2
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Unlike the private sector most if not all of the public sector still have a job . I hope you feel your wife deserved her pay rises
25/11/2020 21:25:41 0 0
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I set up on my own 14 years ago, and I am still on the same rates as in 2006. No pensions, holiday/sick/ redundancy pay company/govt benefit schemes and had to work 84 hours a wk since the end of March to keep my head above water as my employees refused to work as they didn’t want to return to work for an extra 20% wages compared to sitting in the sun, and you complain about 4 years frozen pay.
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25/11/2020 14:59:10 17 19
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Covid has affected everyone & was unfortunate but still not an excuse for the shambolic response & corruption we've seen

Brexit is a choice, self inflicted & 100% avoidable.

The economic equivalent to losing an arm in an accident & then deciding to saw both your legs off too.
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25/11/2020 15:02:08 5 8
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Unfortunately we live in the UK and it's one of the worlds most corruopt countries.
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25/11/2020 14:56:54 186 54
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slightly random but .....Make public sector workers retire when everyone else does
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25/11/2020 14:59:18 149 16
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or stop raising the age that you can access your private pension?

then people may be able to retire & free up jobs in the private sector. (not to mention its our money we have saved & would like to get back at some point but Gov keep moving the goal posts)
25/11/2020 16:15:47 2 1
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Your money is used to pay the current pension obligations. You’ve saved nothing.
25/11/2020 17:43:01 0 1
bbc
You can access your private pension at 55, but most would not be able to afford to do so.
26/11/2020 13:00:44 0 0
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The biggest emploer in the UK...Publice Sector, so just who pays the reirement and pension bill, don't forget Publice Sector Workers get to retir on full pension at 55
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25/11/2020 14:59:19 112 81
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As usual the Labour party are not living in the real world . Thankfully they are not in charge of the economy otherwise we would need a forest of money trees. Her comment about the Chancellor clapping on the door step is typical irrational headlining .
So you support someone who paid people 2500 each per month, to sit at home watching neighbours on TV, whether their job still existed or not, paid 12 Billion for a spreadsheet, and opened up the treasury to billions of pounds worth of fraud?

Christ knows what your 'reality' is like. You need some pills.
Removed
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25/11/2020 15:06:18 19 20
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Bloody typical of Dodds and the Labour Party absolutely clueless when it comes to the UK finances.
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25/11/2020 15:08:12 22 12
bbc
Usual Tory rubbish,next your be praising boris
150
25/11/2020 15:08:35 25 11
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I'm no fan of Labour, but it's kinda true. Everyone was out praising NHS workers and other key workers, but now it's fine to reduce the pittance most of them are on even more? "Well done, we really appreciate your work! We're just gonna cut your wages, but we do appreciate you, honest!"
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25/11/2020 15:11:34 24 8
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You are aware, I am sure El Tel, that for the last 10 years of Tory Government rule, the national debt has increased on average £274 million A DAY. The Conservatives will have to be very careful about throwing around economic mismanagement tags....and this is before 2021 and all that will entail.
234
25/11/2020 15:11:06 26 11
bbc
THATCHER did more damage than any Labour goverment what that horror inflicted on our nation lives on to this day !
573
25/11/2020 15:31:45 2 3
bbc
Clutching at straws now I see. This is John Majors government all over again.
816
25/11/2020 15:48:26 12 3
bbc
Screamingly funny.

Tories have borrowed more than all previous govts in UK history.

There is no forest of magic money trees - the Rishi has harvested them all.
17
25/11/2020 14:55:32 32 24
bbc
Nows the time to ditch HS2 to save £Billions or even better scrap Brexit
49
25/11/2020 14:58:58 16 9
bbc
Brexit is done.
115
25/11/2020 15:05:07 5 5
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The effects have hardly started. BREXIT is NOT done.
9
25/11/2020 14:54:10 16 22
bbc
The pandemic is not causing this. Lockdown is causing this. I wish they would stop lying to the people. The decision was made to punish the young for decades to protect the old. Tell the truth and we'd probably forgive you for a while...
50
25/11/2020 14:59:39 2 2
bbc
The lockdown is precisely to protect the elderly and those more at risk... what's your point?
42
25/11/2020 14:58:03 25 22
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Mr Sunak you are doing your best. Unfortunately only one Nation, not anywhere in the Western Hemisphere, appears to have made an awful lot of money whilst the rest of the World suffers. Nothing to be done except hold ones nose until we have been vaccinated and then watch the worms come out of the wood. Stay safe and keep the faith and thank you Mr Sunak, you have done your best
51
25/11/2020 14:59:54 18 17
bbc
Excuse me why I throw up...
7
25/11/2020 14:53:16 12 12
bbc
On the plus side, Brexit won't look anywhere near as bad now!
52
25/11/2020 15:00:01 5 2
bbc
Are you serious? Brexit electively adding layer on layer of complexity & problems to an already damaged economy is the height of stupidity & irresponsibility.
19
25/11/2020 14:55:42 252 39
bbc
9/10th of Developed Nations & much of Developing World has been economically clobbered by Covid responses. So most of us are in the same boat. Most of us need to do whatever we can to help our respective economies springboard back. What we DON'T need to do is to start trying to pay down the debt / deficit in the immediate future. Nor clobber key workers.
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25/11/2020 15:00:01 310 309
bbc
lets wait for Labour spending pledges, lets wait for the labour once again negatively attacking when what we want to hear is them all coming together. Labour have been shown to wrong on lockdown on spending and still on racism in the party.. pathetic
514
25/11/2020 15:28:43 32 18
bbc
This is the government who said spending £54bn on improving the infrastructure in this country was stupid and then spend £280bn, and it's Labour who are pathetic.
575
25/11/2020 15:31:51 0 10
bbc
Absolutely! The United Kingdom, the clue is in the name.
595
25/11/2020 15:33:14 27 8
bbc
You do realise Johnson promised (before he got the job he's incapable of doing) an independent investigation into Islamophobia in the Tory party. Surprise surprise it never happened. Pairing cheat Lewis was proven to have lied about it, totally useless not so Cleverly did zero about it
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25/11/2020 15:39:14 31 2
bbc
I'm not a Labour bod but I'm struggling to understand these specific criticisms. Why was Labour wong on LD? Why was Lab wrong on 'racism' (assume you mean 'antisemitism') in the Party? Starmer's actions appear to indicate the opposite.
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25/11/2020 15:40:41 10 1
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The clue in in the name! Her Majesty's Opposition.
734
25/11/2020 15:43:37 8 1
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Drivel, cap-doffer.
25/11/2020 15:59:17 10 3
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Firstly the Labour Party has not been negative ,it has supported the Government whenever it can,but blind support for a Government who have been negligent in the extreme is not the purpose of the Opposition Party,it is there to hold the government to account,thats democracy,Secondly,if the Tory Party were in opposition I can guarantee that no...absolutely no support would be given,none,zilch,Scum.
Pip
25/11/2020 16:02:41 3 1
bbc
Are you making this up as you go along, it's nonsensical........?
25/11/2020 16:16:38 3 2
bbc
Do know who is in Government?
25/11/2020 16:23:10 7 3
bbc
Unfortunately they (Labour) consistently do better economically then Cons, and apart from the great Maggie no government other than this and the last has been worse economically for this country.

Just Facts don't let them get in the way though.
25/11/2020 16:26:08 7 2
bbc
If you're criticising labour for financial mismanagement and racism within the party, you must be furious about how the tories go about their ways?
25/11/2020 16:28:04 1 3
bbc
Nonsensical, almost unintelligible and irrelevant comment.
25/11/2020 16:31:44 7 1
bbc
That would be the same Labour party that set up the UK strategic PPE supply that the Tories ran down prior to the pandemic?
The one that urged more spending on the NHS and social care, which is also what the operation cygnus review recommended, and the opposite of what the Tory government did.
The Labour Party that called for a circuit breaker lockdown weeks before the Tories implemented it, etc..
25/11/2020 16:35:41 4 2
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This comment was brought to you by the Daily Mail.
25/11/2020 17:19:24 3 1
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What a ridiculous, ignorant badly thought out deflection post. It makes no sense at all in the current climate. We have a Tory government who in charge and this is a typical RWA deflection post based on dogma.
25/11/2020 18:00:38 2 1
bbc
Nice way to ignore the huge amounts of anti muslim, anti immigrant, and anti blm racists in the tory party. Biased much?
25/11/2020 18:00:57 2 1
bbc
I’m surprised that anyone with intelligence would make such a statement. In 2010, Labour lost out to a Conservative/ Liberal coalition - we were approx £700bn in debt. The abuse labour received for that financial position was probably justified. Before COVID (in 2020) we were £1800bn in debt. Not a fan of either party, but after 10 years of austerity we’ve more than doubled the debt. Discuss...
25/11/2020 18:16:38 1 1
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Your knowledge of Labour supporters is immature and purile, to say the least. The vast majority of Labour supporters want to see our country thrive under a fair system of hard work and reward - not corrupt cronyism
25/11/2020 18:40:24 1 1
bbc
Labour were actually right on lockdown. Johnson is responsible for exposing frail pensioners to this virus by his absence in February(finalising his 2nd divorce apparently)
25/11/2020 20:51:26 1 0
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Maybe you should try going some research of your own instead of spouting some rubbish you read in some right wing rag, Labour has been shown to have managed the economy better than the Tories but hey why let the truth get in the way of a rant.
25/11/2020 22:15:50 0 0
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Blame Labour as usual - clown
26/11/2020 00:39:32 1 0
bbc
Your post is the only pathetic thing here, bleating on about a party who have not been in government for years, and you still defend the clowns we have. What a joker! ??
26/11/2020 08:04:27 0 0
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Oh. And what about racism in the Tory party.
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25/11/2020 15:00:07 104 30
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Well, at least we've not got anymore economic uncertainties on the horiz.........oh, hang on a minute!
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25/11/2020 15:31:38 78 41
bbc
A no deal Brexit will be something terrible.

but their ideologies are the most important thing. After all, we are just peasants to them, and are collateral damage.
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25/11/2020 15:00:14 7 17
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'Economic emergency has only just begun. Yes government, but you have only yourselves to blame because of your gross overreaction to a virus which infects barely half the population and of those infected the vast bulk have no symptoms whatsoever.
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25/11/2020 15:05:32 1 3
bbc
"a virus which infects barely half the population"

So you think that, somehow, half of the population will be completely immune, and won't even have it asymptomatically to spread to others? Somehow the virus just completely skips half the population, as if by magic?
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25/11/2020 15:06:55 0 2
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(i) Learn to write in English and spell correctly.

(ii) So your answer to this would have been to let it run it's course, kill hundreds of thousands (including your own family members) and decimate the economy and population?

Maybe you should take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror!
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25/11/2020 14:57:04 36 25
bbc
Your name says it all, get over it, it happened 11 months ago
56
25/11/2020 15:00:17 16 6
bbc
Are you enjoying the sunlit uplands and all that lovely sovereignty you have won? I'm sure it will go a long way towards paying the mortgage and putting food on the table.
249
25/11/2020 15:14:52 1 8
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We are still in the EU.
57
25/11/2020 15:00:38 15 17
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And Brexit is so damaging to us. This government is insane
107
25/11/2020 15:04:18 1 5
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We haven't left the EU yet.
138
25/11/2020 15:07:13 2 1
bbc
So right,people have their heads in the sands,just following the tory gutter press telling lie all the time.why would a person who owes half the UK land give a txx about you,think about it please
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25/11/2020 15:01:00 38 6
bbc
Not as bad as the 1980's yet then where unofficially 4 million were out of work
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25/11/2020 15:02:43 18 15
bbc
oh...that's OK then
251
25/11/2020 15:15:05 4 2
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Yeah but the music was great back then
515
25/11/2020 15:28:43 5 2
bbc
Just wait until the impacts of Brexit kick in...
25/11/2020 16:40:29 0 1
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Well 0 hour contract is work and under employment is work. but in the 80`s both were less prevalent. I am not sure you make such a good point. Also population may have changed somewhat.
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25/11/2020 14:54:49 275 95
bbc
It seems odd that many of the same people who begged the government to shut down the whole country are now complaining about job losses, foreign aid being cut, and taxes going up. What on earth were they expecting? Here's hoping Britain bounces back over the next few years. We need collective positivity and constructive conversation, not more negativity from the press because it helps no one.
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25/11/2020 15:01:07 182 84
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'collective positivity'??

Hate to be the one to break it to you but wishful thinking doesn't have much impact in the real world. If we all close our eyes & cross our fingers it won't result in a great trade deal with the planet's largest trading bloc.
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25/11/2020 15:14:30 5 40
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Hopefully we never have a trade deal with the EU Empire.
Our current relationship with them results in us being £70 billion per annum worse off in trade let alone membership fees.
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25/11/2020 15:34:01 6 21
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No, but that is because the EU is more interested in punishing us than agreeing a trade deal with us on anything other than their terms.
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Nik
25/11/2020 15:52:09 3 14
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Yawn - trade will happen regardless of deal
25/11/2020 16:16:16 2 7
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We don't border the Pacific, so it will be difficult to get involved in the RPEC. The world's largest trading bloc.
25/11/2020 16:34:17 2 10
bbc
Hate to be the one to break it to you, but wishful thinking about the supposedly benign and wonderful EU will not produce a great trade deal. What is required is hard negotiations to stop this declining trade bloc from shafting us in order to shore itself up.
25/11/2020 17:28:27 1 1
bbc
You mean the RCEP in Asia?
Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership
On Sunday, Nov. 15, 15 Asian nations representing nearly a third of the global economy signed the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP), forming the world's biggest trading bloc.2 days ago
25/11/2020 19:07:24 0 4
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Remoaner ?
25/11/2020 22:01:25 0 0
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I dont think a deal with the worlds largest trading block (the asia pacific agreement) is going to help much?
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jon
25/11/2020 14:55:41 12 8
bbc
National debt not looking good for Starmer in 2024!
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25/11/2020 15:01:12 2 5
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starmer and labour philosophy is.... add to it... thats why they were drubbed last year.. Starmer and Labour.. call that debt!! you aint seen nothin yet
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25/11/2020 14:57:04 36 25
bbc
Your name says it all, get over it, it happened 11 months ago
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25/11/2020 15:01:14 13 5
bbc
We left the transition 11 months ago? Oh wait, we didn't. ????
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25/11/2020 15:01:21 11 9
bbc
Poverty will increase and Britain will become a third world country
26
25/11/2020 14:56:54 186 54
bbc
slightly random but .....Make public sector workers retire when everyone else does
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25/11/2020 15:01:24 60 27
bbc
Where the hell has this hatred of the public sector come from? Here's some actual facts for you : we get paid less than the private sector for the same work. Final salary pensions do not exist anymore. The pensions we do have are VERY expensive in terms of employee contributions. That on top of the fact we're generally higher qualified and educated than the private sector. Hardly a gravy train.
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25/11/2020 15:16:47 53 4
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You're not going to win mate, the papers and central government have spent 10 years scapegoating the avg public sector worker.

The public sector isn't perfect, don't get me wrong but many of the perks left long ago but not in the minds of average Joe.

It's hard to have worked night and day for the benefit of the public to be told time and time again that we are overpaid and useless.
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25/11/2020 15:17:45 9 12
bbc
The Local Government Pension Scheme (LGPS) is a Defined Benefit (a.k.a. Final Salary) Scheme. Standard contribution requirement is 1/49 of your pensionable pay or 2%.....

I'd be more than happy to equalize Public Sector Pay & benefits (switch Public Sector to defined contribution pensions). Paid for by rationalizing local authorities to 1 unitary authority per county = £3Bn pa saving?
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25/11/2020 15:30:06 15 28
bbc
Find me the private equivelent of a Scottish Primarry School teacher, e.g. have their salary automatically rise to £41k/year, 35 hours a week, 195 days a year, with employer pension contributions of 23%, all on the back of a third class degree?

Nope? That's because plenty (though not all) of you get paid as much if not more than the private sector, with plenty of benefits to boot.
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25/11/2020 15:36:29 8 13
bbc
Have to ask but - if you're so highly qualified and educated, then unless you're in the health service it beggars the question - why on earth would you work in the public sector if the conditions are as terrible as you make out ;)
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Bob
25/11/2020 15:56:54 4 18
bbc
So calling for a level playing field is hatred now is it? Interesting.

Funny how public sector workers get antsy when someone calls for fairness isn't it.

Cake taste nice, does it?
25/11/2020 17:05:31 0 3
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‘Generally higher qualified and educated’ people would not write such utter drivel and claim they are facts. Inaccurate as well as insulting. Good luck trying to get a job in the private sector.
25/11/2020 18:42:32 0 3
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"Here's some actual facts for you : we get paid less than the private sector for the same work." - That's not true! Or are you talking about public sector workers who get employed via agencies (thus increasing their pay, but reducing job security)? Those people are not "private sector workers" - they're still public sector workers which just points to more waste in the public sector.
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25/11/2020 14:55:51 15 12
bbc
Pandemic equals lockdown, protect lives, get it
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25/11/2020 15:01:25 1 4
bbc
far more lives lost because of lockdown than saved, but hey keep believing the Ministry of Truth
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25/11/2020 15:04:06 4 2
bbc
you got a source for this claim, other than Facebook, YouTube or Breitbart?
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25/11/2020 14:53:02 1156 216
bbc
It seems odd that many of the same people who begged the government to shut down the whole country are now complaining about job losses, foreign aid being cut, and taxes going up. What on earth were they expecting?
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25/11/2020 15:01:32 141 169
bbc
They are Labour supporters who think money grows on trees
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25/11/2020 15:09:43 135 76
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And the Cons are the ones who chop down those trees.
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25/11/2020 15:12:02 133 101
bbc
Exactly. Try reading comments on the Guardian website and comments on the Mail website. It is the left who want to close everything down then complain when there isn't the money to hand out to everyone.
615
25/11/2020 15:34:14 28 7
bbc
For Johnson's 'chumocracy' money does grow on trees. Similarly for May's government, the bung to the DUP was from the money tree.
628
25/11/2020 15:35:22 18 8
bbc
Well it seems like there's many billions to spend on Defence, on the army and Space Command....
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25/11/2020 15:51:14 12 4
bbc
As opposed to Tories that give it to their friends?
wake up.
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25/11/2020 15:01:32 5 7
bbc
Best thing to do is close those businesses that raise taxes say like err ... The hospitality sector ! But open up everything else ... Buffoons
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25/11/2020 14:58:58 22 25
bbc
in the last decade of Tory rule my public sector pay was frozen for 4 years had 1% pay rises for 3 years and had only begun to recover much of the lost ground. Meanwhile my wife in the private sector never went a year without a 3% award and a bonus. Frankly I have done my bit, enough is enough! Never in my life have I taken industrial action but now..... bring it on. This Government is outrageous
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25/11/2020 15:01:32 13 10
bbc
I worked in the Public Sector all my life and never expected a pay rise .All this debt and you expect more, unbelievable!
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25/11/2020 15:05:22 2 6
bbc
I work in the private sector and definitely do not expect a pay rise unless the business is trading profitably, unlike the whiners in the public sector who expect the same people to fund a pay rise for them
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25/11/2020 15:06:50 4 3
bbc
Agreed. If you dont like it why dont you just leave
And get a job in the private sector. Sounds much better
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25/11/2020 15:09:34 2 3
bbc
No sir your comments are the usual Tory lies,it won't wash this time old boy
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25/11/2020 15:28:25 1 1
bbc
This debt is the direct result of a decade of Tory rule when the focused on austerity and ignored the No1 issue of the national risk register. They focused on self not the nation, on Brexit and nothing else. The lazy PM then ignored 5 COBRA meetings, they bungled the response, spent money like drunks and none of it necessary had they planned.
Noone works for nothing and your comment is untrue
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25/11/2020 14:55:32 32 24
bbc
Nows the time to ditch HS2 to save £Billions or even better scrap Brexit
68
25/11/2020 15:01:36 4 4
bbc
wrong.. now is the time to invest in the north
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25/11/2020 15:01:44 132 22
bbc
Whatever your politics, his job is a thankless task and this is a massive gamble (and one which he has no choice but to take).

Our only hope is that it works and that economic growth returns more quickly in 2-3 yrs time because if it doesn’t, and stories keep emerging on profiteering by cosy cliques and grossly inflated consultant charge out rates, there will be serious civil unrest.
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25/11/2020 15:03:59 43 36
bbc
If civil unrest hasn't happend by now then it wont happen in three years.
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25/11/2020 15:18:21 1 1
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If he had no choice it wouldn't be a gamble.
Pip
25/11/2020 16:13:35 4 1
bbc
And of course there's those on here, will blame Labour for all these Tory ills.............?
25/11/2020 16:17:44 7 4
bbc
Civil unrest starts in January when the real effect of Brexit happens.
25/11/2020 16:18:52 6 2
bbc
They've had ten years, and Brexit is entirely their choice
25/11/2020 16:35:06 1 0
bbc
If he has no choice it's not a gamble.
25/11/2020 16:51:13 4 3
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Hold on

You skipped the bit about how world beating ukgov made de cisions which delivered

Worst covid death rate
And
Worst economic damage.

SE Asia Inc ozz, nz coped better
Taiwan just 7 covid deaths
Less economic damage the Economist magazine says so.
25/11/2020 17:49:42 1 0
bbc
I'm sure Mr Sunak can cope with his 'thankless task' without needing sympathy from internet comments sections.
25/11/2020 19:02:42 0 0
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I can’t believe how much your all trying to figure this out!

Hate to burst your bubble but

Last time I checked our mortality rate was around 4/5%

If you add in all these tests it’s going to bring the ratio down

You know, like in the US, because they have it under control too, in fact, we’re a lot like the US now, the student has become the teacher
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25/11/2020 14:54:42 32 29
bbc
“ Rishi Sunak warns 'economic emergency has only just begun'”

THIS IS A TERRIFYING RESULT OF RECKLESS SPENDING.

We really should not have done furlough for so long.
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25/11/2020 15:01:46 26 25
bbc
its a result of 10 years of mismanagement and then a year of acute derangement.....
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25/11/2020 15:03:29 2 3
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Yes I fully agree
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25/11/2020 15:14:26 3 2
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I think you will find that the mismanagement has been going on for a lot longer than 10 years.
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25/11/2020 15:01:46 38 24
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Foreign aid should’ve been cut even further why should the UK fund the rest of the world.
85
25/11/2020 15:02:51 22 8
bbc
giving 80 million to China!!
88
25/11/2020 15:03:12 5 7
bbc
Because they make most of our stuff for a start. All we make is Henry the hoover...
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25/11/2020 15:04:12 7 9
bbc
Usual Tory comments
224
25/11/2020 15:13:32 7 3
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Do you really need an answer to that? What's the point? You'd never agree, anyway. So let's look at it in terms you might understand. This very Tory Gov promised to spend a fixed % of GNI on foreign aid & they've reneged. Bear in mind a recession means GNI is lower & so foreign aid would likewise be lower, anyway. So this cut is a double whammy hit to aid. But I guess you like that, right?
244
25/11/2020 15:14:31 6 6
bbc
Someone has to pay for the Indian space programme
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25/11/2020 15:16:44 6 2
bbc
Those numbers that keep being bandied around - the same people saying kill the OA are tha same spening it on charities to save donkeys n cats n dogs - the level of inanity beggers belief - if money were promises this Govt would be quids in - oh thats right they are - and their mates.
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25/11/2020 15:01:53 15 18
bbc
It's the same world wide.
So before you start blaming it on Rishi etc
Give it a rest!
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25/11/2020 15:03:45 10 5
bbc
Not in counties that looked after it's people from the outset
97
25/11/2020 15:04:01 4 4
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Is it?
Has every Government spent £12b on a non-functioning track & trace system?

I don't think your statement is true
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25/11/2020 15:10:27 1 3
bbc
Twaddle. Even Covid isn't the same worldwide. Different nations' responses have brought on different outcomes. In UK's case, we have not done well on many bases. This will only be made worse by the damage Brexit is about to cause... even if it goes swimmingly (big 'if') & we get a deal, it will still be disruptive, at the worst possible moment.
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25/11/2020 15:11:11 2 2
bbc
Nope - NOT the same.

Only UK has:

- Corrupt tendering scheme for tories
- Hundreds of Billions thrown through appalling/ corrupt Tory govt decision making
- Embedded bullying in govt
- Brexit (damage to UK economy now estimated to be WORSE than Covid)
- HS2 financial farce

Could go on....
Removed
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25/11/2020 14:59:10 17 19
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Covid has affected everyone & was unfortunate but still not an excuse for the shambolic response & corruption we've seen

Brexit is a choice, self inflicted & 100% avoidable.

The economic equivalent to losing an arm in an accident & then deciding to saw both your legs off too.
73
25/11/2020 15:02:08 5 8
bbc
Unfortunately we live in the UK and it's one of the worlds most corruopt countries.
74
25/11/2020 15:02:13 3 4
bbc
The new leveling up fund is available across the UK. Seems to miss the point?
41
25/11/2020 14:56:17 21 29
bbc
CANCEL BREXIT TO SAVE 80bn
75
25/11/2020 15:02:19 7 13
bbc
Cancel democracy. Great idea!!!
177
25/11/2020 15:08:18 3 4
bbc
It was only a democratic vote until people realized they were conned, it then became a tyranny
25
25/11/2020 14:56:39 9 7
bbc
The grim economic reality is that we are in for many tough years and tough choices. Sunk is giving 4 bilion to Defence but getting that by freezing Public sector pay. Voters will have to decide at the next election if they agree the right choices are made.
76
25/11/2020 15:00:23 4 2
bbc
Like the last election ?.
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25/11/2020 14:55:22 322 16
bbc
The fallout from Covid-19 is going to make the banking bailout seem like a party.

Unfortunately it will be the people in the middle who will suffer most.

Please fasten your seatbelts.
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25/11/2020 15:02:21 68 146
bbc
will i have to sell the porsche? and does tis mean no more Quinoa?
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25/11/2020 15:07:26 6 11
bbc
I'm BUYING a Porche.
231
25/11/2020 15:10:22 24 2
bbc
If you have nothing to add to a debate, simply mention quinoa.
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25/11/2020 15:22:15 3 11
bbc
And you'll have to make that holiday in the Seychelles two weeks rather than three.
25/11/2020 16:31:06 2 6
bbc
Yes, You'll just have to eat rump steak and chips like the rest of us knuckle-dragging omnivores. Get yourself a Tesla as Elon may get caught up by Bill soon, and hey there aren't enough poor kids digging for Cobalt in the DRC to make those lovely environmentally friendly batteries... n that.
25/11/2020 16:32:42 1 3
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No. You'll have to sell one of the porsches. You'll still have one to park on the pavement when you drop tarquin and petunia off at school.
25/11/2020 16:40:48 2 1
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definitely not. With the roads being so much quieter it has never been a better time to drive a Porsche.
25/11/2020 16:46:31 0 3
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No the pain won't be passed on to the Tory chumocracy only the ordinary working people.
25/11/2020 19:06:32 0 1
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I get your sense of irony but look at the downvotes. Maybe your post is in bad taste, but there's nothing wrong with a bit of sour humour.
26/11/2020 15:42:57 0 0
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If you are tasteless enough to have a porsche then I would keep quiet, plenty of far nicer proper sports cars (you know, the ones that are fast and stay on the road) Some are even made in the UK - especially Lotus
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25/11/2020 15:01:22 15 15
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£2-5 trillion on Brexit

Utter madness
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25/11/2020 15:05:19 9 3
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Crap
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25/11/2020 15:05:34 2 1
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Only a £3trillion margin for you there John? Who knows it might work the other way, let's wait and see as many recent forecasts have proved to be wrong
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25/11/2020 14:57:45 282 153
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best thing was the foreign aid cut like it or not charity should and thank gord is now gonna start to begin at home
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25/11/2020 15:02:34 103 254
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Only supported by ignorant people, of course
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25/11/2020 15:19:15 52 30
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Foreign aid from the taxpayer should be NIL. Let those who want to give money away to foreigners do so from their own pockets directly.
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25/11/2020 15:24:32 46 27
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You are at liberty to give your own money to foreign countries if you so wish. You are not at liberty to demand that every taxpayer does so. We have done enough for the world. Time they stood on their own feet - the knowhow is there, let them use it.
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25/11/2020 15:26:47 29 15
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Generalistic, usubstantiated nonsense from the most appropriate username on HYS
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25/11/2020 15:49:24 17 13
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Yeah foreign aid should be something people opt in to via PAYE.

Of course left wing virtue signalling frauds only like donating the money of others.

Those middle class types won’t sacrifice getting a new Audi to give their own money away.

That’s your typical Labour voting clown these days.
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25/11/2020 15:54:01 5 3
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Ooooooh
25/11/2020 16:11:09 8 5
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Weird majority of EU and World don't pay 0.7% gdp foreign aid.
They must be ignorant according to you.
25/11/2020 16:12:19 9 3
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Who are you to call anyone ignorant ? because they have a different view to you...
25/11/2020 16:35:20 1 2
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It must be wonderful to be so enlightened.
25/11/2020 16:48:24 4 4
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No only the sensible really
25/11/2020 16:58:25 0 3
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So why should we continue to donate to the likes of India, which owns much of what’s left of British industry and has its own moon landing project? Their problem is one of wealth distribution and they need to address it. I do agree however that aid should not totally cease.
25/11/2020 19:05:46 0 3
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On the contrary, most thinking people can see the significant flaws in giving subsidies to countries who do not need our hard-earned money; we need to support our own people, THEN look to an appropriate distribution of funds abroad. There is no ignorance in this
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25/11/2020 14:55:47 40 21
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Let's not make a bad situation worse by following a hard Brexit ideology. More than ever, we need a wide-ranging and comprehensive free trade deal with our nearest and most valuable trading partners.
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25/11/2020 15:02:37 39 24
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We already HAD that then some plank said LETS LEAVE THE EU. Well done to all those planks who voted for it.
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25/11/2020 14:53:09 134 72
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Near 5% growth in 2021 with Covid still going for at least Q1Q2 and Brexit disaster in January?
Who makes up this rubbish?
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Jim
25/11/2020 15:02:39 25 5
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And are they saying return to normal by 2022?
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25/11/2020 15:01:00 38 6
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Not as bad as the 1980's yet then where unofficially 4 million were out of work
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25/11/2020 15:02:43 18 15
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oh...that's OK then
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25/11/2020 14:56:17 21 29
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CANCEL BREXIT TO SAVE 80bn
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25/11/2020 15:02:44 1 3
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So less than one year's funding of the NHS?
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25/11/2020 15:08:35 2 1
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Yes, but we can’t exactly cancel the NHS!?
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25/11/2020 14:54:49 275 95
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It seems odd that many of the same people who begged the government to shut down the whole country are now complaining about job losses, foreign aid being cut, and taxes going up. What on earth were they expecting? Here's hoping Britain bounces back over the next few years. We need collective positivity and constructive conversation, not more negativity from the press because it helps no one.
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25/11/2020 15:02:46 10 14
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so so right.. well said
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25/11/2020 15:01:46 38 24
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Foreign aid should’ve been cut even further why should the UK fund the rest of the world.
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25/11/2020 15:02:51 22 8
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giving 80 million to China!!
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25/11/2020 14:58:58 22 25
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in the last decade of Tory rule my public sector pay was frozen for 4 years had 1% pay rises for 3 years and had only begun to recover much of the lost ground. Meanwhile my wife in the private sector never went a year without a 3% award and a bonus. Frankly I have done my bit, enough is enough! Never in my life have I taken industrial action but now..... bring it on. This Government is outrageous
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25/11/2020 15:02:52 5 2
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private-sector workers’ wages fell by nearly 1% up to September, whereas public sector rose by almost 4%
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25/11/2020 14:56:17 21 29
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CANCEL BREXIT TO SAVE 80bn
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25/11/2020 15:03:06 2 3
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LOL, You better get used to the reality -
It's not going to happen
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25/11/2020 15:09:22 2 2
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I think it will - this is based on information I have heard from my sources in Westminster
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25/11/2020 15:01:46 38 24
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Foreign aid should’ve been cut even further why should the UK fund the rest of the world.
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25/11/2020 15:03:12 5 7
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Because they make most of our stuff for a start. All we make is Henry the hoover...
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25/11/2020 14:54:03 44 42
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If the Government spent less time and money messing around with Brexit, we'd all be much better off. Pragmatism, rather than dogma.
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25/11/2020 15:03:17 5 9
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The people voted for it rightly or wrongly
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25/11/2020 15:03:20 4 7
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jock 14:55 "Now's the time to ditch HS2 to save Billions or even better scrap Brexit".

Strongly agree on 1st point. Even more strongly disagree on 2nd. [Eutopia was always a political rather than economic project].
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25/11/2020 15:07:57 2 2
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We can't 'scrap Brexit' as we've already left & so point is moot.
But we could & should have delayed the end of transition, which was built into WA, so that we didn't experience the double whammy of Covid recession made worse by Brexit disruption (or damage, if it goes as badly as it still might). This confluence will make it far harder for UK economy to recover.
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25/11/2020 14:56:17 21 29
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CANCEL BREXIT TO SAVE 80bn
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25/11/2020 15:03:36 4 5
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Erm I think you'll find we would be saddeled with hundreds of billions of Covid debt that countries can't afford to pay back, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Spain, Italy, etc are all bust it will be down to the Germans and French to pay the lot back, we've dodged a bullet more likely.
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25/11/2020 15:10:00 2 2
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We still have a legal obligation
to pay - which I think is fair
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DBM
25/11/2020 15:03:36 3 2
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So much for the greening up of the economy and the opportunities that can bring. This will bite us more than Covid.
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25/11/2020 14:55:43 16 25
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Good to see the Left whingers going apoplectic. Next it will be calls for civil disobedience, marches in Whitehall and the Red Flag, all under the auspices of an internally riven Labour Party. Mirth in the Shires.
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25/11/2020 15:03:37 1 1
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Are you instigating those rebellious acts?
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25/11/2020 15:03:43 92 16
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Well someone has to pay for this:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-steve-dechans-276m-in-ppe-contracts-lands-him-a-place-in-the-country-zgbmmtn8q

and the narrative from this lot has to be such that they can continue to fund these lifestyles using tax payer's money.
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25/11/2020 15:04:59 86 20
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Oh & that's just the tip of the Covid cronyism iceberg.
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25/11/2020 15:01:53 15 18
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It's the same world wide.
So before you start blaming it on Rishi etc
Give it a rest!
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25/11/2020 15:03:45 10 5
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Not in counties that looked after it's people from the outset
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25/11/2020 15:01:44 132 22
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Whatever your politics, his job is a thankless task and this is a massive gamble (and one which he has no choice but to take).

Our only hope is that it works and that economic growth returns more quickly in 2-3 yrs time because if it doesn’t, and stories keep emerging on profiteering by cosy cliques and grossly inflated consultant charge out rates, there will be serious civil unrest.
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25/11/2020 15:03:59 43 36
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If civil unrest hasn't happend by now then it wont happen in three years.
25/11/2020 16:28:04 2 2
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MPs got £3000 increase. That is the start of people being upset. One rule for one rule. We are heading for some unrest? Cumins is to blame for a lot.
25/11/2020 16:37:32 2 0
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Why not? Do you not understand the concept of suffering increasing over time, when artificial aids such as furlough expire?
25/11/2020 16:55:37 2 1
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Vote out to help out
Incompetent MPs

Something needs to change.
Ukgov proven incompetent over decade now

Austerity decade.. Economist magazine calls a wasted decade.
Numerous fails of pfi, reorganisations.
Brexit.. Where MPs proved they were clueless over ukpublic thoughts.. In an Internet age where ukgov expects you to work from home.. But can't be bovvered to eVote, survey ukpublic online.
Removed
26/11/2020 00:13:43 0 0
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It will happen sooner than you think
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25/11/2020 15:01:53 15 18
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It's the same world wide.
So before you start blaming it on Rishi etc
Give it a rest!
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25/11/2020 15:04:01 4 4
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Is it?
Has every Government spent £12b on a non-functioning track & trace system?

I don't think your statement is true
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25/11/2020 15:04:01 9 15
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As bad as this is, it could be significantly worse....Labour could be in control!
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25/11/2020 15:07:52 5 1
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Wow! I could do with a crystal ball like yours!
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25/11/2020 15:12:00 2 0
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What a plank you are Bobby
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25/11/2020 15:22:59 2 0
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Lucky that we are being royally screwed by Tories rather than possibly by someone else - sounds like an abusive relationship to me.
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25/11/2020 15:04:05 24 15
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This is all just the tip of the iceberg. Brexit will cause far worse damage.
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25/11/2020 15:02:14 6 11
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A Chancellor who thinks he can spend what he likes and is excused due to a virus is a menace to the nation. He has no sense of responsibility and no concept of limits.
He will bankrupt the nation unless the IMF stop him first.