Low-paid public sector workers to get £250 pay rise
25/11/2020 | news | business | 1,263
Pay will be frozen for at least 1.3 million public sector staff, but low-paid and NHS workers will get raises.
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25/11/2020 16:03:34 6 6
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good news
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25/11/2020 16:03:35 106 56
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I see Corbyn demanded a 10% rise for all public sector workers earlier today, serving as a timely reminder as to why the country voted Tory last December
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25/11/2020 16:07:11 73 42
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They voted for Bojo's oven ready deal. How did that go down, by the way?
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25/11/2020 16:04:45 2 6
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Can't believe the BBC have used a picture like that !
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25/11/2020 16:07:59 13 7
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Two policemen? Yeah, I didn't realise we had that many.
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25/11/2020 16:06:04 22 18
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It will be the private sector that gets the economy moving. There will be no pay rises that will make up for the lost earnings of the past 9 months under furlough schemes and job losses. If we really are all in the together then the public sector now has to contribute by foregoing pay rises - I do not doubt their commitment during lockdown and they shouldn't doubt the private sector's either.
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25/11/2020 16:24:00 9 5
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I’m sorry that schools can’t “get the economy moving” I seem to recall it being the private banking sector causing the last crisis but we got to have a pay freeze for that one too! I’m actually not wanting a rise. Just inflation would be nice.
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25/11/2020 16:34:27 8 5
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The Pprivate sector lost out in the lasyt 9 months. The Public sector endured 10 years of below inflation pay deals (in other words, a cut in pay every year for a decade), cuts which still bite today.
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25/11/2020 16:06:37 109 59
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Why are 2.1m public sector workers being paid less than the median wage in the first place?
Maybe because they chose to leave school at 16 with no qualifications and so aren't qualified for any decent jobs. People need to learn to live with their choices. Removed
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25/11/2020 16:11:16 46 3
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Well that's just maths Strawcat.....if they were paid the average national wage then there would still be a median, but it would be higher.
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25/11/2020 16:13:48 47 2
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You don't appear to understand what a median wage is; for there to be a median there will by definition always be some wages above and some wages below the median figure. Increasing some wages to the present median figure would simply move the median point further up the scale, and some wages would still be below that figure. It's a bit like exam grade inflation...
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25/11/2020 17:21:32 7 14
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Half the workers have to get less than the 'median pay'. The real question is why are not most or at the very least half the Public Sector below that rate? They are overpaid!
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25/11/2020 17:23:47 11 3
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Median means average. So some will be paid less than average eg hospital porter and some will be paid more eg brain surgeon! Whatever the pay is there will still be an average. Pretty basic really.
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25/11/2020 17:38:07 6 1
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I think you need some simple maths revision on the subject of averages.
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25/11/2020 19:35:56 3 0
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Some of them are low skilled.
26/11/2020 09:40:11 0 0
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Because we are not in a communist state where road sweepers and doctors are paid the same.
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25/11/2020 16:06:58 2 8
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We are all in it together, so why are one group getting 2.5% and lockdown was designed to protect them.
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25/11/2020 16:03:35 106 56
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I see Corbyn demanded a 10% rise for all public sector workers earlier today, serving as a timely reminder as to why the country voted Tory last December
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25/11/2020 16:07:11 73 42
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They voted for Bojo's oven ready deal. How did that go down, by the way?
26/11/2020 16:06:09 0 1
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Brexit will be a liberation for this country.
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25/11/2020 16:07:36 135 97
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I've been doing 50 hour weeks since March. Meanwhile the private sector have been sat in the garden sipping prosecco and taking home more than me?

The poor darlings want sympathy?
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25/11/2020 16:10:29 88 31
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As a public sector worker put on furlough I can tell you that I have not enjoyed a summer in my garden sipping Prosecco. I don’t have a garden for a start, I had my wages slashed and haven’t been able to pay my bills never mind enjoy time off. This comment is very ignorant and offensive.
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25/11/2020 16:10:54 50 22
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I think you'll find a big proportion of private sector workers didnt have the luxury furlough and also don't have the luxury of the job for life culture the public sector has.

Shall we compare pension schemes next...... yeah thought not.
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25/11/2020 16:13:52 29 9
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I have worked 40hr weeks since well before lockdowns in the private sector no pay rise at all for nearly 2 years so i suggest to get your facts right !!! and i hate prosecco and dont have a garden!!!!
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25/11/2020 16:15:22 45 8
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Sorry Woody, this private sector employer has been working 50 hours a week as well. Paying a load of tax (personal, corporate and VAT) which pays your wages. I have paid staff before myself, foregone what I could have awarded myself, and made sure that no one in my company had to be made redundant or lose pay. I didn't take a penny from the government. So your comment is very condescending.
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25/11/2020 17:49:21 6 15
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doing 50 hours a week minimum on a 37.5hr/wk contract is expected in private sector management, no sick pay, no union, no payrise except by promotion and zero chance of early retirement on a noncontributory final salary pension paid out of tax coffers and not a charged for investment fund subject to smash and grab raids by every labour gov since forever
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25/11/2020 18:23:16 15 3
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It's with grim irony that I now read the comments of private sector workers reacting with outrage and shock when confronted with the kinds of comments that public sector workers on the lower end have to face every day with equanimity. Perhaps Woody wouldn't be satirising you (he obviously doesn't mean it) if you hadn't created this 'us vs them' culture? We're with you - if you'll stop blaming us!
T.W.A.T Removed
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25/11/2020 18:30:01 4 10
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Not sympathy, but a bit of gratitude. The profits from my former employment paid your wages. The private sector... the sector that takes the risk and earns the country money. The public sector is a bloated overhead.
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25/11/2020 19:15:08 0 6
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No, just want you to pay for it.
25/11/2020 22:29:07 1 0
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I was working through the lockdown in the private sector as an essential worker, we had our wages cut by 10% and there were redundancies , how would that go down in the public sector?
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25/11/2020 16:07:48 266 72
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A £250 raise? And how much did the MPs award themselves last time around?
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25/11/2020 16:10:36 170 227
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Oh dear oh dear. MPs do not "award themselves". Their pay is determined by an independent panel.
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25/11/2020 16:23:59 24 43
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"The basic annual salary of a Member of Parliament (MP) in the House of Commons is £81,932, as of April 2020"

Great explanation as to why we don't have a parliament filled with doctors, top lawyers, scientists, and industry leaders.

Instead we have people with old money who don't need 80k, race baiters, Mhairi Black (was in 2nd year of uni when she got elected ((SNP).

Pay more, get better.
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25/11/2020 18:23:32 5 2
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Not to mention they barely need to touch their salary when they take an extra £50 - £80k in expenses.
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25/11/2020 18:34:43 3 3
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Actually £250 is a more than a 1% rise which is higher than inflation.
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25/11/2020 18:46:28 1 4
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most of them own businesses and also get perks that others dont. an MPs salary on its own would not make anyone rich . they do it to benefit their select few cronnies.
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25/11/2020 18:51:03 2 2
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Exactly oh and pay their family members who 'work' for them silly money, friends who get contracts so they a consultancy fee, stupid money for wallpaper and duck houses, have subsidised facilities and then buy staff food let's see if those stay at home MPS say no I don't want my payrise
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25/11/2020 18:55:09 2 1
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Johnson turned his down, but you could abolish the cronies elite all parties THE LORDS passed it's sell by date,Sign in go home =£125
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25/11/2020 20:10:41 1 0
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Read it properly at LEAST £250, it could be a lot more and that will be determined by relevant areas
26/11/2020 09:39:59 0 0
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They "awarded" themselves nothing!
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25/11/2020 16:04:45 2 6
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Can't believe the BBC have used a picture like that !
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25/11/2020 16:07:59 13 7
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Two policemen? Yeah, I didn't realise we had that many.
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25/11/2020 16:08:47 322 80
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Health workers and all other key workers are the real essential players in a functioning society who deserve proper pay, not the multi-millionaire/billionaire chief executives and celebrities whose excessive salaries, and in some cases use of tax havens on top, have been and are making this injustice difficult to resolve.
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25/11/2020 16:54:42 201 96
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Just a stupid unrealistic comparison. There just are not the same quantities of each. So what if any job is 'essential' it is of no relevance to pay. Try going without supermarket workers, die sooner than no nhs! Or sewer workers or power supply. Emotive infantile reaction to the 'cute cuddly nice' when we rarely need them nhs, etc. really needs to stop.
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25/11/2020 17:10:16 21 24
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Will NHS pen-pushers who've been working from home get an increase?
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25/11/2020 17:21:12 26 11
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Could not agree more. Don't forget the billions wasted on consultants and third parties who helped to make Dido Harding and her cronies into multi billionaires.
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25/11/2020 17:31:15 30 8
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Health workers pay is set and protected by an independent body, not the Government. They will get a fair pay award, but not the millions in the private sector who will be lucky just to keep a job.
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25/11/2020 18:27:05 1 12
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The tax payer needs efficiencies given most of the private sector are redundant. I for one think the NHS should be run by short term contracts to meet seasonal demand. Why should the public sector be an different to the Private?
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25/11/2020 19:09:25 4 5
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Disagree. Healthcare workers, like all public sector workers, are lazy.
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25/11/2020 19:42:33 5 1
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I work in energy and vital pharmaceutical production so I’m key worker but I’ll be getting zero next year so suck it up and move on ;
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25/11/2020 20:08:28 1 1
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Yes they do deserve a good pay rise and will get one, once the recovery gets underway and taxation is set to pull back the TRILLIONS we are in debt, I think you need to wake up and realise the state the country is in. Most celebrities and chief execs are paying 40% tax, also a lot of celebrities give to charities
25/11/2020 20:45:00 1 0
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Lewis Hamilton ?
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25/11/2020 16:09:47 28 21
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I was deemed a "low-paid" public sector worker until a few months ago.
I worked in a library, I was paid nearly 22k a year at the top of the scale. About 75% of the job pre-lockdown was sitting behind a desk surfing the Internet. Hardly low paid if you ask me.
I left because I was bored out of my head.
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25/11/2020 16:39:28 9 6
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In other areas of the public sector, there are people working their fingers to the bone on that money. There are also many in the private sector who were responsible for the purchase of tens of thousands of "mouse jigglers" over the summer...
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25/11/2020 16:41:59 3 2
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Poor management - I'd have got you working!
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25/11/2020 16:43:38 0 6
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What's a library

They disappeared in austerity
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25/11/2020 16:47:46 4 3
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Left or were sacked?
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25/11/2020 16:06:37 109 59
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Why are 2.1m public sector workers being paid less than the median wage in the first place?
Maybe because they chose to leave school at 16 with no qualifications and so aren't qualified for any decent jobs. People need to learn to live with their choices. Removed
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25/11/2020 16:34:24 28 10
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And you know that most public sector workers have no qualifications how?

Or are you just trying to make yourself feel superior...
What a disgraceful, arrogant thing to say. I hope you don't end up in a care home with one of these hard working, decent people having to wipe your backside. Removed
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25/11/2020 16:40:34 2 3
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Adult education tutors get paid less that that. The ones teaching to GCSE and A level have the same qualifications as secondary school teachers.
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25/11/2020 16:09:54 295 97
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Public sector worker here who switched jobs after getting furloughed during lockdown. I think a pay freeze is tough but sadly fair. Whole industries have been decimated in the private sector and they’ve had less protection from redundancies. It’s not fair they should bear the brunt alone, and without them there’s no money to fund public services anyway. Downvote as you please.
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25/11/2020 16:11:44 56 17
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Before someone very clever responds, yes I am aware that this article leads with a small pay rise for lower paid public sector workers. I'm talking in a more general sense.
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25/11/2020 16:16:41 31 11
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Agreed. There are a lot of private sector workers who will be mightily relieved if they can just earn the same salary for the coming year.
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25/11/2020 16:19:02 31 41
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This isn't about "fair". There is nothing remotely "fair" about a system that allows for banks and corporations to be bailed out to the term of 10s of billions while people go hungry. Get off your moral high horse and look around at the bigger picture. Educate yourself.
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25/11/2020 16:21:10 7 9
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Try keeping a businees running with systematic idiocy from the Govt and no support!
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25/11/2020 16:36:12 8 36
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Total nonsense. I think you got every single clause of your comment incorrect, well done
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25/11/2020 16:36:18 35 11
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Do you not find it strange it doesn't work the other way when private sector pay grows that public sector pay doesn't at the same rate?
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25/11/2020 16:38:52 47 3
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I work in the public sector and I have no problem with not having a pay rise and I have complete sympathy for those who are in financial trouble as a result of COVID, but I would like to know that the money that would have been used in the public sector will be used to support those who are facing financial hardhip rather than pay for useless gov contracts etc.
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25/11/2020 16:40:06 23 8
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Can i have 3 months off on 80% of my pay now please?
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25/11/2020 16:48:39 29 9
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When the times are good private sector get bonuses and pay reflecting the buoyant market. When the times are not so good private sector is understandably reflective. A variable rate if you like.

However, public sector don't get the good times it seems, not even a fixed rate at that, as it appears public sector pay just reflects when it's the bad times.. . .
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25/11/2020 16:52:35 13 4
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How does a pay freeze for the public sector help the private sector? This will be used by the private bosses as an excuse not to give their workers a rise. It's a lose/lose situation when folks start saying things like "well we didn't get a rise so why should you".
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25/11/2020 16:48:05 5 7
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Is your name "I'm Alright Jack" ?
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25/11/2020 17:02:06 4 4
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The govt just created £12bn for a failed track and trace system. Money that will have ended up in many offshore tax havens. If they had done the furlough scheme properly and paid out the key workers with a payrise for the hazards they faced this yr as a direct result of govt incompetence, that money would be spent in the local community. Its ok to run a deficit but its a political decision not to
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25/11/2020 17:10:21 5 8
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'Not fair'? How convenient! Your Daily Mail logic has temporarily turned itself off when you discovered that it might now affect 'us hard-working private sector lot wot pays their wages wiv our taxes.' This is how it should go: lost your job? Us hard-working taxpayers shouldn't be saddled with carrying the economically unviable with us. Isn't that how the tired old mantra is supposed to sound?
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25/11/2020 17:12:27 9 11
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As a fellow public sector worker, I agree. We are very fortunate to have nearly all kept our jobs so far, and mostly to have continued working on full pay since March. Millions in the private sector are not so fortunate, and things are going to get a lot worse for many. I can't morally justify a pay rise in these circumstances.
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25/11/2020 17:13:56 4 7
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At last!! A really sensible and well thought through comment. Spot on! Thank you.
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25/11/2020 17:16:03 6 4
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We live in a free society. If you work in the public sector and don't like the pay freeze you are free to go and work in the private sector.

As we are entering the biggest period of economic strife in memory, I can only say good luck with that one.
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25/11/2020 17:27:39 5 5
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I moved to public sector - taking a large pay cut - because I wanted a job that lasted more than six months. Before I'd worked many short term contracts wasting my savings (care of the Tory changes to working rights), moved to Ireland and moved back (both care of the Tory Brexit).

Now I get slapped in the face once more told I won't get a pay rise from my pittance?

Unacceptable. Tax the rich.
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25/11/2020 17:33:24 2 2
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Spot on.
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25/11/2020 16:09:59 62 17
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35 years in the civil service and my hourly pay is £9.38 ph new NMW £8.91 so I get 47p an hour more application for a driving job at £10.50 (delivering food) in.... Civil servants all don't, get £50k as many people think we are always the easy option Corbyn 10% would get me to £10.32 still less than delivering food.. I hope we all leave...….
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25/11/2020 16:13:00 81 46
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What do you do for that low pay? And why are you still in the same position after 35 years?
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25/11/2020 16:59:05 14 18
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If I complained that, after 35 years in the same job, my pay was very low what would your advice be? Find a better paid job perhaps?
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25/11/2020 17:33:04 16 24
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If you've spent 35 years doing the same thing, it's entirely on you for not seeking a higher paid position. You are responsible for yourself, time to start acting like it.

Did you ever even try to negotiate for more?
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25/11/2020 16:07:36 135 97
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I've been doing 50 hour weeks since March. Meanwhile the private sector have been sat in the garden sipping prosecco and taking home more than me?

The poor darlings want sympathy?
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25/11/2020 16:10:29 88 31
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As a public sector worker put on furlough I can tell you that I have not enjoyed a summer in my garden sipping Prosecco. I don’t have a garden for a start, I had my wages slashed and haven’t been able to pay my bills never mind enjoy time off. This comment is very ignorant and offensive.
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25/11/2020 16:43:53 17 15
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I couldn't care less if you are "offended". Do you want a tissue? Or shall I whip out the worlds smallest violin? I have plenty of work for you to do, so I'd like to know what part of the public sector you were in to be put on furlough, because you should have damn well been reassigned and been working for me. I have plenty to keep you busy.
25/11/2020 20:15:37 2 0
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what role ? actually working in the public sector i am interested in knowing which dept as you should have been reassigned rather then letting your public sector colleagues take the slack and now abuse for doing our jobs
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25/11/2020 16:10:31 19 44
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Genuine question here, how many people in this comment section would support paying extra in tax to supplement a 2% pay increase for all public sector workers.

Like if yes - Dislike if no
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25/11/2020 16:14:24 9 6
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The point is that 2% is still less than inflation. Also public sector workers pay tax on their 2% too.

However to answer your question I've always been with the Lib-Dems... if you want decent public services you have to pay for them. Thats why Scandanavians pay a ton of tax but have a better standard of life than us.
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25/11/2020 16:29:33 5 1
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This is the dilemma politicians find. People want all the services but want someone else to pay for.
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25/11/2020 16:07:48 266 72
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A £250 raise? And how much did the MPs award themselves last time around?
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25/11/2020 16:10:36 170 227
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Oh dear oh dear. MPs do not "award themselves". Their pay is determined by an independent panel.
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25/11/2020 16:19:58 106 20
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That "independent" panel has awarded 8% plus a year for how long? Independent my behind!
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25/11/2020 16:21:22 39 19
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Twonk
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25/11/2020 16:34:47 42 8
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And only 52 Tory MPs offered to forgo their raise in pay.
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25/11/2020 16:36:30 48 10
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And the government can reject it...but pigs with their snout in the trough seldom do the right thing.
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25/11/2020 16:37:25 35 10
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Yes, but....They don't have to accept it...the MPs could request it to be put on hold for 12 mths it is perfectly plausible for this to happen...It won't, they are ALL driven by self serving and greed. FACT
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25/11/2020 16:45:09 20 6
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But where do they get their pay from? The money tree in Downing Street? No our taxes
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25/11/2020 16:45:48 26 6
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And the MPs were forced, against their will, to accept the rise?
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25/11/2020 16:47:34 12 3
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While that is true, why didn't the leaders of all political parties say to them, no increase for MPs this time around please.
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25/11/2020 16:49:57 11 4
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They can and should say NO. pay rise this time.
The same sort of independent panels they ignore for other public sector professions likes doctors and dentists? Who would have thought?!
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25/11/2020 16:37:43 9 4
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You're right, MPs pay is determined by an independent panel. However, I believe that there should be independent panels used to determine the pay of all those working in the public sector. When you look at pay increases in line with inflation, MPs have had a much better deal than other public sector workers. With independent panels being used, public sector workers would get the pay they deserve.
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25/11/2020 16:53:11 6 4
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Mainly consisting of former MPs.
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25/11/2020 16:39:06 10 5
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Between 2010 and 2020, factoring in inflation the starting salary of a police officer has seen a 14% real-terms reduction in pay, for newly qualified teachers outside of London it has decreased by 6% and for nurses 5%. MPs on the other hand have seen a 2% increase when factoring in inflation. Source: https://fullfact.org/online/public-sector-salaries/
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25/11/2020 16:59:52 16 3
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Comically you are right. They pick extreemly high paid mates who all agree their political pals clearly should be paid equivalent to them. After all they attend the same opera, racecourses dinner parties.

Strange considering there are no abilities or qualifications needed to be an MP. They should get the national average pay. Make us all better off so will they be. Fair, commensurate to ability.
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25/11/2020 17:04:35 9 1
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Which the govt can refuse to pay.
Just like they do when the independent panel on civil service, health workers fire &police reviews recommend anything more than 1%
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25/11/2020 17:14:05 3 2
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... independent panel. As are teachers’ salaries - but not this year apparently?
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25/11/2020 17:15:29 0 2
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...by an independent panel. So are teachers’ salaries - but not this year apparently.
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25/11/2020 17:51:22 1 1
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Who writes their terms of reference and got to define how skilled MPs are?
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25/11/2020 17:56:29 3 1
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Independent or feathered nest
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25/11/2020 18:19:06 3 1
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they dont have to accept it but they do..
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25/11/2020 18:30:13 4 1
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Shame that the rest of us don't get an 'independent panel' to decide our pay. We'd all get 12% a year
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25/11/2020 18:32:15 3 2
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You mean independent as in no current MPs are on it! How many on the panel were MPs or have their pay determined through parliament. Directors pay is settled in a similar way, one hand washes the other.

Maybe MPs pay should be linked to average wage or even the living wage, if others can live on it, can't they? They can claim expenses for pretty much anything, so they don't need a huge wage.
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25/11/2020 19:56:29 0 0
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Loving the irony
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25/11/2020 20:01:33 0 4
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Government Minister pay has not gone up since 2010. MPs pay didn't go up for decades until the decision on MP's pay was taken out of MP's hands about 10 yrs ago.
25/11/2020 20:14:01 2 1
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As independent as the bullying enquiry?
25/11/2020 20:15:12 1 1
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Utter tripe
25/11/2020 21:09:54 1 0
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MPs may not award the pay rise themselves but they can choose to accept it or not and most MPs are refusing to say whether or not they will refuse or donate it to charitable causes
25/11/2020 23:22:57 0 0
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They have the opportunity to reject the pay rise or at the very least to give it to charity.
25/11/2020 23:52:16 0 0
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In these exceptional times, un-normal times this panel needs to be made redundant for while.
26/11/2020 08:40:15 0 0
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The £10k rise in office expenses wasn't part of the pay review!
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25/11/2020 16:10:53 15 19
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Both myself and my wife have worked throughout lockdown both of us public sector workers. All public sector workers working to keep the country moving, yet he then screws us over.
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25/11/2020 16:17:37 11 5
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At least you and your wife are in employment. Not all in the private sector have been so lucky. It sucks for you but these are unprecedented times and everybody has to take their medicine I’m afraid.
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25/11/2020 16:18:54 6 2
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I suppose yo could have been made redundant !
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25/11/2020 16:21:16 9 3
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well, dear me! I am workign in the private sector, and have had to pick up work from furloughed and ill colleagues, yet no-one complains. Just how it is at the moment. Stop complaining.
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25/11/2020 16:22:11 8 2
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Ask yourself - how many public sector jobs are there in retail, tourism, hospitality, event management, etc.

It is they who have suffered with Covid.

Most public sector jobs are secure - why should they not contribute through their pay packets to the cost of ovid.
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25/11/2020 16:26:32 6 1
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@ Mark ...at least you had work.. and before anyone goes on about furlough or any other aid.. some of us got and get no help whatsoever
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25/11/2020 16:07:36 135 97
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I've been doing 50 hour weeks since March. Meanwhile the private sector have been sat in the garden sipping prosecco and taking home more than me?

The poor darlings want sympathy?
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25/11/2020 16:10:54 50 22
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I think you'll find a big proportion of private sector workers didnt have the luxury furlough and also don't have the luxury of the job for life culture the public sector has.

Shall we compare pension schemes next...... yeah thought not.
Now now, there are well documented pros and cons to private and public sector jobs.

Let's all focus on the poor handling of the pandemic leading to all of this mess, as well as the siphoning of billions of pounds through cronyism.
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25/11/2020 16:10:54 7 19
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Last year my NHS wife got a 2.3% pay rise (so not even inflationary) but her pension contribution was increased by so much in the same pay packet she had less cash than the month before. The pension age was increased at the same point to 73.

I'm waiting to hear what the barb is with this announcement
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25/11/2020 16:13:20 21 2
bbc
The oldest current planned pension age is 68....
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25/11/2020 16:20:38 5 4
bbc
Woah? If you work for the nhs you can apply for early retirement from 55 years of age. It’s the state pension that you get at 73. By implication it’s affects private sector workers disproportionately.
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25/11/2020 16:24:32 8 1
bbc
NOWHERE in the UK is the pension age 73
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25/11/2020 16:25:12 6 1
bbc
The pension age was not increased to 73. Why do you feel the need to make up stories
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25/11/2020 16:06:37 109 59
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Why are 2.1m public sector workers being paid less than the median wage in the first place?
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25/11/2020 16:11:16 46 3
bbc
Well that's just maths Strawcat.....if they were paid the average national wage then there would still be a median, but it would be higher.
25/11/2020 20:37:16 1 1
bbc
Not really given the preponderance of skilled workers in the public sector. Most low skilled jobs long ago outsourced. You're talking about NHS professionals, teachers, police, etc, etc. More than half the workforce is low paid by this standard but there is a much higher skills/qualifications level than the economy as a whole.
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W 6
25/11/2020 16:09:54 295 97
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Public sector worker here who switched jobs after getting furloughed during lockdown. I think a pay freeze is tough but sadly fair. Whole industries have been decimated in the private sector and they’ve had less protection from redundancies. It’s not fair they should bear the brunt alone, and without them there’s no money to fund public services anyway. Downvote as you please.
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25/11/2020 16:11:44 56 17
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Before someone very clever responds, yes I am aware that this article leads with a small pay rise for lower paid public sector workers. I'm talking in a more general sense.
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25/11/2020 17:24:27 3 2
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I'm getting a pay rise as I am considered a low paid worker because I earn less than £24,000. But £250 you will not even see any difference.
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25/11/2020 18:37:54 4 1
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Which bit of the public sector did you work for? Every section of the public sector that I can think of did not qualify for furlough. eg Local Government had to carry on working from home if possible or their normal place of work if not possible.
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25/11/2020 16:09:59 62 17
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35 years in the civil service and my hourly pay is £9.38 ph new NMW £8.91 so I get 47p an hour more application for a driving job at £10.50 (delivering food) in.... Civil servants all don't, get £50k as many people think we are always the easy option Corbyn 10% would get me to £10.32 still less than delivering food.. I hope we all leave...….
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25/11/2020 16:13:00 81 46
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What do you do for that low pay? And why are you still in the same position after 35 years?
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25/11/2020 16:34:03 13 16
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Not proofreading for starters.
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25/11/2020 16:36:54 19 3
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He's doing his job.
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25/11/2020 20:04:06 5 0
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You haven't a clue. Have you!!
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25/11/2020 16:10:54 7 19
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Last year my NHS wife got a 2.3% pay rise (so not even inflationary) but her pension contribution was increased by so much in the same pay packet she had less cash than the month before. The pension age was increased at the same point to 73.

I'm waiting to hear what the barb is with this announcement
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25/11/2020 16:13:20 21 2
bbc
The oldest current planned pension age is 68....
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25/11/2020 16:15:32 2 7
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Wah-hah-hah-ha. You should do standup. If I retire before 80 I'll starve.
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25/11/2020 16:06:37 109 59
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Why are 2.1m public sector workers being paid less than the median wage in the first place?
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25/11/2020 16:13:48 47 2
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You don't appear to understand what a median wage is; for there to be a median there will by definition always be some wages above and some wages below the median figure. Increasing some wages to the present median figure would simply move the median point further up the scale, and some wages would still be below that figure. It's a bit like exam grade inflation...
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25/11/2020 16:07:36 135 97
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I've been doing 50 hour weeks since March. Meanwhile the private sector have been sat in the garden sipping prosecco and taking home more than me?

The poor darlings want sympathy?
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25/11/2020 16:13:52 29 9
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I have worked 40hr weeks since well before lockdowns in the private sector no pay rise at all for nearly 2 years so i suggest to get your facts right !!! and i hate prosecco and dont have a garden!!!!
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25/11/2020 16:14:11 144 45
bbc
I can live with a pay freeze if they stop paying some of the private sector 80% of their wages to watch Loose Women! Also time that the millions of tax dodgers joined the real world and started paying properly for the services they use.
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nc
25/11/2020 16:20:16 58 35
bbc
"millions of tax dodgers" really? Millions? Where is your proof!
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25/11/2020 16:21:29 20 27
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Remember that private companies pay salaries (and therefore taxes) that make it possible to pay for public sector jobs. (tax collectors and the jobs at the council etc)
Essential services are important but everyone else should be paid the same as those who are on furlow.
Why do we working in the private sector have to take the hit while publiic sector jobs are safe?
It is completely unfair
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25/11/2020 16:57:27 5 3
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Totally agree and I mean from the 'cash only' small businesess all the way up....
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25/11/2020 16:10:31 19 44
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Genuine question here, how many people in this comment section would support paying extra in tax to supplement a 2% pay increase for all public sector workers.

Like if yes - Dislike if no
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25/11/2020 16:14:24 9 6
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The point is that 2% is still less than inflation. Also public sector workers pay tax on their 2% too.

However to answer your question I've always been with the Lib-Dems... if you want decent public services you have to pay for them. Thats why Scandanavians pay a ton of tax but have a better standard of life than us.
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nc
25/11/2020 16:22:47 2 4
bbc
not only the Scandinavians. most western euopeans do. And it will only get worse here in the UK, after Brexit. Just watch!
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25/11/2020 16:23:36 1 4
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I would be happy to pay an extra 1 or even 2%, but the rich people all pay an extra 3%. So on higher rate tax you pay even more! Won't be much support for that will there be! Oh dear the poor MPs a pay rise that most people would die for, but they are money grabbers who want every penny in their bank accounts as the are so poor and live on the bread line!
30
25/11/2020 16:14:27 15 17
bbc
The coronavirus pandemic is being used by the Tories to mask the economic impact of Brexit.
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25/11/2020 16:17:37 5 3
bbc
you havent seen the impact of Brexit yet !
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25/11/2020 16:16:22 3 2
bbc
Based on what theory? Just your own personal hunch? Ridiculous.
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25/11/2020 16:14:30 197 38
bbc
The public sector should have got Dido Harding to ask for the raise on their behalf as the government are happy to throw billions her way for anything whether it works or not!!!
456
25/11/2020 17:22:55 10 12
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a/the licence
to license, licensed to, licensing etc.
A corrupt and quite evil woman who makes Himmler look like a soft hearted teddy bear. Removed
763
25/11/2020 18:40:53 5 1
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Very well put. Like them (MPs) she has no qualifications for her role and her major experience is a series of failures, yet she continues to be rewarded. Nobody would ever guess she's married to an MP.
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25/11/2020 16:07:36 135 97
bbc
I've been doing 50 hour weeks since March. Meanwhile the private sector have been sat in the garden sipping prosecco and taking home more than me?

The poor darlings want sympathy?
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25/11/2020 16:15:22 45 8
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Sorry Woody, this private sector employer has been working 50 hours a week as well. Paying a load of tax (personal, corporate and VAT) which pays your wages. I have paid staff before myself, foregone what I could have awarded myself, and made sure that no one in my company had to be made redundant or lose pay. I didn't take a penny from the government. So your comment is very condescending.
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25/11/2020 16:48:20 21 16
bbc
Don't about your anecdote. The sums speak for themselves. The private sector have been huge recipients of furlough money, with large numbers getting paid more to do JACK, than public workers have been getting for working full time.

That money has been paid out. You might not have claimed it, but a hell of a lot of people did!

It's like the BANKERS all over again! You get to play, we have to pay!
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25/11/2020 17:39:42 18 7
bbc
Public sector workers also pay tax, therefore *you* are not paying *their* wages. By your analogy, they are paying their own. You are benefiting from services in the community which your tax also funds. As does mine. But that doesn't fit your agenda, does it.
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25/11/2020 16:13:20 21 2
bbc
The oldest current planned pension age is 68....
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25/11/2020 16:15:32 2 7
bbc
Wah-hah-hah-ha. You should do standup. If I retire before 80 I'll starve.
124
25/11/2020 16:31:49 1 1
bbc
Just because you believe something to be true dosen't make it true. Its called Fake News or in old fashioned words a big fat lie.
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25/11/2020 16:35:14 2 1
bbc
Should have planned ahead then shouldn't you.
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25/11/2020 16:15:35 6 11
bbc
Why allow NHS employees a pay rise but not for other public sector staff , many who have had to help people due to the consequences of COVID or rather central government handling of it whilst hospitals were half empty. Council staff are processing test & trace payments for low paid people in their area for example
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f
25/11/2020 16:16:10 11 13
bbc
£250 isn't even keeping up with inflation - report the news properly BBC - this is an ineffective plaster over a 10 year long real world pay cut for the public sector. We are still paying for the bail out of your billionaire friends in the banking system from 2008. You've had more than ten years to fix the system and havent even tried. Less of the BS please - we aren't falling for it.
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25/11/2020 16:16:13 23 22
bbc
Public sector workers have very generous inflation-proof pensions. These barely exist any longer in the private sector.
Also, I'm not sure what contribution teachers made during the first lockdown as many children had to rely on BBC BiteSize, etc. while their teachers were at home.
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25/11/2020 16:24:14 13 6
bbc
Absolute rubbish. The pensions aren’t gold plated plus they are contribution based, ie we pay into them, whether they like it or not
Teachers have been working the entire time. What planet are you on?

Public sector pensions were raided, despite paying for themselves and not draining public finances. Still good, but a lot worse than previously.

As for public sector pay, still had a real terms cut of at least 20% over the last decade or so. The recruitment and retention crisis is in full flow.
925
25/11/2020 19:15:12 0 0
bbc
The “public sector” is not some elite club. Anyone can apply, the NHS has a continuous staff shortage. If you feel that the “Perks” are so good why not join.Most people don’t wish to or don’t have the qualifications needed.
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25/11/2020 16:09:54 295 97
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Public sector worker here who switched jobs after getting furloughed during lockdown. I think a pay freeze is tough but sadly fair. Whole industries have been decimated in the private sector and they’ve had less protection from redundancies. It’s not fair they should bear the brunt alone, and without them there’s no money to fund public services anyway. Downvote as you please.
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25/11/2020 16:16:41 31 11
bbc
Agreed. There are a lot of private sector workers who will be mightily relieved if they can just earn the same salary for the coming year.
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25/11/2020 16:16:43 6 16
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You can stick your 250 Sunak, wouldn't even cover your nightly restaurant bill. Goldman Sachs man, the banks get even bigger as we struggle. BBC you are an absolute disgrace, we all know who's side you are on. Can you see what's coming yet?
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25/11/2020 16:10:53 15 19
bbc
Both myself and my wife have worked throughout lockdown both of us public sector workers. All public sector workers working to keep the country moving, yet he then screws us over.
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25/11/2020 16:17:37 11 5
bbc
At least you and your wife are in employment. Not all in the private sector have been so lucky. It sucks for you but these are unprecedented times and everybody has to take their medicine I’m afraid.
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25/11/2020 16:14:27 15 17
bbc
The coronavirus pandemic is being used by the Tories to mask the economic impact of Brexit.
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25/11/2020 16:17:37 5 3
bbc
you havent seen the impact of Brexit yet !
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25/11/2020 16:17:46 117 39
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Unemployment is goibg to rise to 2.6m.

How many of these are public sector - I suspect most job losses will be private sector.

Limited payrise may simply be the price paid for secure employment!
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Bob
25/11/2020 17:11:58 27 32
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Quite likely. If you rewind to the 2008 crisis the public sector was enjoying good job security & 4% wage growth.

Guess what happened in the private sector? Wages *dropped* 4% & jobs shed left, right and centre.

The reason private growth has been higher post-crisis is because the private sector has been playing catch-up.

This is simply taking action *whilst* we're in the downturn, not waiting.
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25/11/2020 16:18:01 82 8
bbc
Having had 1 pay increase in 10 years and increased pension contributions I am resigned to see the 2020 public sector pay rise now followed by a freeze. I accept the focus on the lower paid and need to balance the books but do feel that this will be the first of many more years of no/low pay rises and tax increases. We are all (public/private sectors) going to pay for the pandemic for a long time.
10+ years of relative pay cuts and continued austerity was a political choice that didn't work. The Tories failed. Failure to manage the pandemic effectively has cost us all in the long term. A well managed pandemic would have limited economic consequences. Instead we have the largest transfer of wealth from business owners to banks and billions given away in cronyism.
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Bob
25/11/2020 17:15:40 3 14
bbc
Good job you enjoyed (well, assumed you worked during it...) massive pay rises during the financial crisis whilst the private sector saw massive drops in wages.

Your slow growth over the last few years was as a result of the continued rises during that time. Private has out-paced public as a result, but take the crash into account and it is a level playing field.
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25/11/2020 16:18:08 16 15
bbc
Easy to call for endless neverending furlough and lockdown when you aren't seeing the consequences.

Well now the consequences are catching up with us.

Future generations will look back and see this as a time where, united in collective hysteria, we trashed our economy and ruined countless livelihoods for no real benefit at all.
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25/11/2020 16:19:49 9 3
bbc
I'm sure you comments will be a great comfort to the families of the 10s of thousands who have died from Covid.
You mean history will look at the UK, Brasil and the USA as examples of the worst pandemic management in the world
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25/11/2020 16:18:36 1 3
bbc
Do MPs count as public sector workers ?
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25/11/2020 16:18:38 169 51
bbc
'Consultants' working on the abysmal Track and Trace getting £6,000/£7000 per day in an attempt to sort out the mess. £250 per annum raise for some key workers who have worked all the way through this pandemic. Other key workers get nothing. Toryism at its best................................. or worst.
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25/11/2020 16:47:16 67 10
bbc
1 billion paid to management consultants in the last year.
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25/11/2020 17:29:26 11 2
bbc
Agreed. It is outrageous. The pandemic has been used by corrupt officials to make them and their cronies into multi billionaires. Harding and her family should have all her wealth stripped from them and should be locked up in the tower. They are after all traitors
761
25/11/2020 18:39:41 5 1
bbc
£7000 per day would pay for 25 professors...
25/11/2020 20:18:44 2 9
bbc
Read it properly it is £250 at least, if Labour were in power we would all be on bread and jam as inflation would be through the roof, and climate change would have already happened as nobody could afford petrol etc. and all our assets sold off AGAIN
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25/11/2020 16:10:53 15 19
bbc
Both myself and my wife have worked throughout lockdown both of us public sector workers. All public sector workers working to keep the country moving, yet he then screws us over.
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25/11/2020 16:18:54 6 2
bbc
I suppose yo could have been made redundant !
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25/11/2020 16:18:56 8 2
bbc
Can't please all the people...
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25/11/2020 16:18:56 2 7
bbc
Wow a whole £250 per annum!
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25/11/2020 16:22:13 2 1
bbc
Wow ... still got a job and a rise.
He could have done NOTHING ... and you could then have moaned about that
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W 6
25/11/2020 16:09:54 295 97
bbc
Public sector worker here who switched jobs after getting furloughed during lockdown. I think a pay freeze is tough but sadly fair. Whole industries have been decimated in the private sector and they’ve had less protection from redundancies. It’s not fair they should bear the brunt alone, and without them there’s no money to fund public services anyway. Downvote as you please.
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f
25/11/2020 16:19:02 31 41
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This isn't about "fair". There is nothing remotely "fair" about a system that allows for banks and corporations to be bailed out to the term of 10s of billions while people go hungry. Get off your moral high horse and look around at the bigger picture. Educate yourself.
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25/11/2020 16:52:05 13 4
bbc
Maybe you should educate yourself first by taking a look at what happened in Iceland where the banking system did collapse - care to take a guess at who lost all their money ? By all means bring to book the people responsible for how the banks got to needing to be bailed out, including the regulators, but please dont critcise the goverment for ultimately protecting the public.
790
25/11/2020 18:50:43 3 2
bbc
How is it fair that I have to pay tax for somebody else's child when I cannot afford to have a child myself? Yes, I made the right choice, so should they have done too.
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25/11/2020 16:19:20 6 6
bbc
Are the Care Workers getting any of this ?Exceptionally low-paid and at the very sharp end of the Covid crisis.
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25/11/2020 16:34:39 0 3
bbc
Probably not but I expect the care home owners will be happy to donate to the Tory coffers next time around. Chin chin
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25/11/2020 16:19:21 9 7
bbc
As many of the restrictions were done to protect pensioners, surely one of the things that should be stopped is the triple lock. Give them a pension increase by all means, based say on inflation plus one percent or something similar.
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25/11/2020 16:25:21 1 4
bbc
Protect the NHS - remember?
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25/11/2020 16:19:30 123 9
bbc
Just make sure MPs and the Lords get a 0% increase for once. They will say not us, but the system. Well stuff the system as it is rubbish a complete disgrace to people in the NHS etc. NO PAY RISE FOR ANY OF THEM!
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25/11/2020 16:32:35 25 50
bbc
Well at least the Lords blocked Boris and his chums over Brexit. Still, we’d probably be better off without any of them
668
25/11/2020 18:18:07 1 8
bbc
The Lords are unpaid.
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25/11/2020 16:10:36 170 227
bbc
Oh dear oh dear. MPs do not "award themselves". Their pay is determined by an independent panel.
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f
25/11/2020 16:19:58 106 20
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That "independent" panel has awarded 8% plus a year for how long? Independent my behind!
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25/11/2020 16:37:47 27 6
bbc
The MPs should Vote off the increase . Shame the don't have the guts to do that as they want the money!
320
25/11/2020 16:57:29 6 2
bbc
But they have to vote to accept it
26/11/2020 09:40:53 0 0
bbc
Proof it's not independent?
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25/11/2020 16:20:01 49 20
bbc
Unfortunately, when a government needs to save money, then the obvious place to look at is expenditures. So unfortunately, those that are essentially paid by the government are in the firing line. So will be services and the like. Yes you could argue raise taxes or stop all the tax evasion, but regardless, public sector pay has to be part of any plan.
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25/11/2020 17:01:52 16 6
bbc
Raise taxes or gather it more efficiently?
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25/11/2020 18:59:42 5 3
bbc
No, you're wrong, it is like saying 'you solve poverty by letting people die from starvation.' 'Teach a man to fish' is the mantra for sorting out hunger. Governments should properly tax more to gain income plus assist, really assist, the rest to be in a position so that they too can contribute. This is the sensible way.
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xlr
25/11/2020 20:05:02 0 2
bbc
There'll just be strikes you know.
25/11/2020 21:25:06 0 2
bbc
If there was a fixed amount of resources then yes everything would have to be balanced somewhere. Sterling hasn't been linked to the gold standard in decades, If they want to find £12bn for a failed track and trace system they borrow from the BoE, if they want to buy not fit for purpose PPE they borrow from the BoE. They can choose to run a deficit but they dont for political reasons
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25/11/2020 16:20:07 4 3
bbc
To offset the pay freeze , why not help out by scrapping the TV licence for watching live TV from any channels other than the Biden Broadcasting Corporation or using iplayer
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25/11/2020 16:30:21 1 2
bbc
What’s Biden got to do with this? Are you actually saying that Trump is a good advertisement for western democracy? Twonk
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25/11/2020 16:20:13 108 28
bbc
I can understand the frustration at delayed pay rises.. but in reality there is nothing that chancellor could have done. COVID has cost enormous amounts and many of us (including me) our jobs. We are all going to have to pay for it.. its not good but what are the alternatives
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25/11/2020 16:29:19 157 32
bbc
Stop paying billions to private sector outsourcing companies that can't do the job properly might be one alternative.
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25/11/2020 16:50:45 9 15
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The chancellor is part of the Tory party that could have locked this country down weeks earlier than they did . We are an island . The virus could have been stopped at source but we kept letting the flights arrive . The Cheltenham festival and Dido Harding on the board of the jockey club caused even more death . This government failed and we all have to pay for it
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25/11/2020 16:59:39 6 5
bbc
'...nothing that chancellor could have done. ..' really? You saw the extortionate amounts of tax payers money wasted on and procuring PPE?
853
25/11/2020 19:09:31 5 2
bbc
Delayed? You’re suggesting it will eventually be paid. A decade of pay freezes to pay for the private sector credit crunch and the public sector haven’t seen those ‘delayed’ rises yet.
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25/11/2020 16:14:11 144 45
bbc
I can live with a pay freeze if they stop paying some of the private sector 80% of their wages to watch Loose Women! Also time that the millions of tax dodgers joined the real world and started paying properly for the services they use.
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nc
25/11/2020 16:20:16 58 35
bbc
"millions of tax dodgers" really? Millions? Where is your proof!
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25/11/2020 18:20:40 3 1
bbc
every government say they will chase tax dodgers are you saying they lie by any chance
999
25/11/2020 20:13:36 6 0
bbc
Maybe they were referring to the millions who work in cash only? The original tax dodge.
25/11/2020 20:22:00 3 3
bbc
Money Laundering, cash jobs, scams, prostitution, sale of drugs are all tax free, therefore they are tax dodgers, that will be in the millions, don’t need proof
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25/11/2020 16:10:54 7 19
bbc
Last year my NHS wife got a 2.3% pay rise (so not even inflationary) but her pension contribution was increased by so much in the same pay packet she had less cash than the month before. The pension age was increased at the same point to 73.

I'm waiting to hear what the barb is with this announcement
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25/11/2020 16:20:38 5 4
bbc
Woah? If you work for the nhs you can apply for early retirement from 55 years of age. It’s the state pension that you get at 73. By implication it’s affects private sector workers disproportionately.
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25/11/2020 16:33:28 2 1
bbc
No 68 where are you all getting this BS 73 from?
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25/11/2020 16:35:29 2 1
bbc
Rubbish you do not have to wait till 73 for a state pension
If you retire at 55 your pension will be crap, let's be real.
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25/11/2020 16:20:41 15 12
bbc
Better that we take the hit in the next few years than leave it to our Grandchildren to pay back.
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25/11/2020 16:13:42 35 32
bbc
It's always the public sector that's the first to kick off and whine, despite better job security, regular pay rises, betterjob security and attractive pensions. Public sector workers could do with a taste of the real world - it might curb their perpetual moaning.
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25/11/2020 16:25:04 32 14
bbc
Get on the gravy train & become a nurse or teacher then!! There's a shortage, what's stopping you from landing one of these super-cushy jobs?
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25/11/2020 16:27:55 10 4
bbc
A lot of public sector work is the very real world. Come and give it a go, plenty of jobs on offer.
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25/11/2020 16:28:04 8 4
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Twonk
There has been an ongoing public sector pay freeze since austerity began which was just about to end. We've had a 20-30% real terms paycut over the last decade or so. The pension was dramatically reduced in 2015, but still good. I'm so grateful for having a job, but my relative pay per hour, for all the free hours I do, is the same as a modest 9-5 job. We couldn't stay at home. Some of us DIED.
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25/11/2020 16:36:54 15 3
bbc
Regular pay rises? Pay has been cut in real terms annually since 2010
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25/11/2020 16:44:02 3 3
bbc
You forgot to add lazy good for nothing pen pushers if we’re going along the stereo type route. Being one of those whining public sector workers I can tell you that many are exhausted and close to collapse as we’ve worked our asses off trying to keep the country going. I get why some of us are having a pay freeze but please don’t think for one minute that most of us don’t live in the real world.
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25/11/2020 16:47:02 7 2
bbc
I'm a civil servant and I've worked all through the pandemic and so have all of my colleagues. You should have some respect for all of us. Where would you be without the public sector? Your benefits wouldn't get paid, your bins would be emptied, the roads wouldn't be fixed, fires wouldn't get put out, no medical appointments etc. So many you should realise that we keep the "real world" turning!
449
25/11/2020 17:21:30 2 2
bbc
Having worked in both the public and private sector I can say I there’s pros and cons in both. People shouldn’t fall into the Tory divide and rule tactics
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25/11/2020 16:15:09 5 13
bbc
Have worked in a primary school throughout both lockdowns. A crappy extra £20 a month - wow! Talk about being screwed over.
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25/11/2020 16:23:24 15 6
bbc
So give it back of donate to a charity for the unemployed ...
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25/11/2020 16:31:49 2 1
bbc
so having done what you were paid to do and still getting 13 weeks holiday a year and a final salary pension you are moaning?
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25/11/2020 16:40:22 1 2
bbc
8 thumbs down guess these are the type people who look down at low paid workers and think they are better and lucky to get anything...
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W 6
25/11/2020 16:09:54 295 97
bbc
Public sector worker here who switched jobs after getting furloughed during lockdown. I think a pay freeze is tough but sadly fair. Whole industries have been decimated in the private sector and they’ve had less protection from redundancies. It’s not fair they should bear the brunt alone, and without them there’s no money to fund public services anyway. Downvote as you please.
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25/11/2020 16:21:10 7 9
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Try keeping a businees running with systematic idiocy from the Govt and no support!
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25/11/2020 16:10:53 15 19
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Both myself and my wife have worked throughout lockdown both of us public sector workers. All public sector workers working to keep the country moving, yet he then screws us over.
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nc
25/11/2020 16:21:16 9 3
bbc
well, dear me! I am workign in the private sector, and have had to pick up work from furloughed and ill colleagues, yet no-one complains. Just how it is at the moment. Stop complaining.
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25/11/2020 16:38:15 1 3
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You just have, twonk
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25/11/2020 16:10:36 170 227
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Oh dear oh dear. MPs do not "award themselves". Their pay is determined by an independent panel.
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25/11/2020 16:21:22 39 19
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Twonk
26/11/2020 09:47:40 0 0
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OED's word of the year?
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25/11/2020 16:14:11 144 45
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I can live with a pay freeze if they stop paying some of the private sector 80% of their wages to watch Loose Women! Also time that the millions of tax dodgers joined the real world and started paying properly for the services they use.
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25/11/2020 16:21:29 20 27
bbc
Remember that private companies pay salaries (and therefore taxes) that make it possible to pay for public sector jobs. (tax collectors and the jobs at the council etc)
Essential services are important but everyone else should be paid the same as those who are on furlow.
Why do we working in the private sector have to take the hit while publiic sector jobs are safe?
It is completely unfair
Last time I checked my pay cheque I paid a hell of a lot of tax too.
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25/11/2020 16:52:34 16 8
bbc
I pay tax and pay for over priced services in the private sector. If public sector money dries up it has a knock on effect. Most public sector workers supported those on reduced income on furlough. I do feel sorry for people that lost their jobs but those who 3 month paid holiday have the least to complain about.
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25/11/2020 17:00:34 17 9
bbc
Risk and reward. You took the risk to get higher rewards. Why should anyone bail out the private profit sector?

Its nonsense to talk fair after the risk you took lost.
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25/11/2020 17:14:16 25 12
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You seem to forget the decade of pay freezes and massive changes in terms and conditions the public sector have already faced while the private sector enjoyed nice pay increases.

Also, you seem to have missed the huge number of job losses in the public sector due to the cuts imposed by the Conservative Party. More to come!

When the public sector got hammered, did you refuse your pay increases?
25/11/2020 21:02:09 5 0
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Remember that you need public sector workers to collect and administer those taxes. Let's not race to the bottom, no-one should take the hit. Those of us in the public sector are lucky to have jobs but they are by no means all safe. The article mentions the lower paid members of staff, these are the people that keep the country running and £250.00 a year before tax won't get them very far.
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25/11/2020 16:21:48 8 13
bbc
£250 a year extra that roughly £21 a month, that's not a pay rise that's an insult. Wonder if MPs will also receive this?? as let's face it you don't need any qualifications to be an MP so you are actually unskilled...
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25/11/2020 16:34:04 1 1
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become a mp , typical moaner get on with re skilling
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25/11/2020 16:10:53 15 19
bbc
Both myself and my wife have worked throughout lockdown both of us public sector workers. All public sector workers working to keep the country moving, yet he then screws us over.
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25/11/2020 16:22:11 8 2
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Ask yourself - how many public sector jobs are there in retail, tourism, hospitality, event management, etc.

It is they who have suffered with Covid.

Most public sector jobs are secure - why should they not contribute through their pay packets to the cost of ovid.
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25/11/2020 16:22:12 1 4
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I hear Bunter's toothbrush got £500
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25/11/2020 16:18:56 2 7
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Wow a whole £250 per annum!
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25/11/2020 16:22:13 2 1
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Wow ... still got a job and a rise.
He could have done NOTHING ... and you could then have moaned about that
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25/11/2020 16:22:25 193 53
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I get that they are low paid. But as a self employed person, I haven't worked all year. All of my clients cancelled my contracts back in late January as covid started to hit. As a self employed person I also didn't/still don't get a furlough payment. I have fallen through the cracks with no support, and am now negotiating with my bank to extend my mortgage holiday again. At least they have a job.
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25/11/2020 16:27:50 77 22
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Well said.
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25/11/2020 16:31:27 23 12
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Just a reminder to all those in the Public Sector that have been paid or furloughed during the Pandemic - You're not getting sacked, laid off or made redundant. You're just getting the same money you got last year unlike the Millions of self-employed who either got nothing and/or have no job at all now.
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25/11/2020 16:33:57 36 0
bbc
The public sector is still hiring, if it’s so good get applying for jobs in the public sector
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25/11/2020 16:40:05 7 19
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How can a government, and a Conservative government at that, shut down the economy. The economy under no circumstances be shut down, unless we are at war. Not some flu/virus that has no affect on 99% of people. So deadly in fact millions have it, and don't even know.
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25/11/2020 16:40:19 26 31
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How dare you moan about the hard working Public Sector people!
If you can’t afford to live, then get a job! Get a qualification that allows you more pay!
Nhs workers who have worked solidly throughout this and saved thousands of lives deserve a payrise! Not some self employed person crying because his business isn’t Able to cope!
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25/11/2020 16:45:42 7 5
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I sympathise with your plight and yet some idiots have marked down your comment.
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25/11/2020 17:10:56 7 1
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How well off are you to have gone that long with no money? Honest question, truly interested.
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25/11/2020 17:18:58 12 1
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I'm a public sector worker, who worked every day throughout the lockdowns despite being dubbed a traitor by the tabloid press. My father is self-employed and also doesn't qualify for govt support. My brother was made redundant from BA. It's odd, but I don't recall ever once not being concerned about their situation, and I don't ever recall them starting a 'cushy public sector' rant. We unite.
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25/11/2020 17:25:59 12 3
bbc
You people are doing exactly what the incompetent PM and his dead sheep brexit-loyal cabinet want you to do, turn on each other, when we all know where the real problem actually lies.... a corrupt lying government and their pocket lining cronies.
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25/11/2020 17:28:28 12 1
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Why does it always have to be a race to the bottom?
"Oh I'm struggling therefore everyone else should......"
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25/11/2020 18:24:41 4 4
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Competent self employed people are not struggling. Perhaps you need to get a bit more creative. Fed up with the private sector thinking the world owes them a living.
25/11/2020 20:15:16 5 2
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If you have been self employed for 2 years you should have claimed the self employed grant based on profits, if you have been self employed for 1 year you should of claimed universal or working tax credit
26/11/2020 02:24:50 2 0
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As you are self employed you also have a job, or did you fire yourself? You chose to be self employed with the benefits of own hours, tax refunds on expenses, lower tax rates and cash in hand undisclosed earning (not saying you do that, others do though).

Self employed is not a hardship that many make it out to be.
26/11/2020 02:46:49 1 1
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Real trouble is they are not low paid. They are excessively paid and pensioned. The public sector needs big pay and pension cuts across the board. Particularly the most headline, noticed, greedy whinging groups like teachers, nurses, police, firemen, etc. Top to bottom overpaid. Causing comparisons in proper commercial companies so they have to overpay too. Hence we have little manufacturing.
26/11/2020 10:15:16 2 0
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If you're not working now apply for one of the public sector jobs or do they not pay enough?
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25/11/2020 16:22:34 15 14
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A lot of people voted in a right wing government, what else do you expect them to do? If you are working class and voted them in, I would advise looking more at the fundamentals of a party next time before voting, instead of populist sound bites and bluster. If you are rich, then well played, you'll be enjoying a few more partridges this Christmas.
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25/11/2020 16:32:10 3 1
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labour have no clue ,that's why they lost re nationalise everything which would have cost ? and for what gain
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25/11/2020 16:22:37 3 5
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I'm all for low paid care workers getting a pay rise - it's about time they were valued more highly, and clapping just doesn't do it.

But £250....a year??? That's a morning's work for my plumber.
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25/11/2020 16:29:49 1 0
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I have never paid £250 for a mornings work for a plumber... you got ripped off but is your own fault.. I can find any number of quality trades people any where in the country for far less than this
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25/11/2020 16:22:41 6 16
bbc
As a teacher just starting out this is another kick in the teeth. Teachers starting out are already paid well below what an equally qualified person in the private sector is on. I cannot afford to make pension contributions due to the high cost of living and the subsequent low wage, so this pay freeze has made life all the more difficult. I'm considering leaving the profession due to its poor pay
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25/11/2020 16:28:25 6 1
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Go for it. If you can get a better paid job that is. You had 3 months lockdown on 100% furloughed pay remember.
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25/11/2020 16:28:40 4 1
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Were you not aware of the 'poor' pay before you joined the profession?
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25/11/2020 16:32:34 4 1
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Nobody is stopping you getting a different better paid job, stop moaning and get on with it.
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25/11/2020 16:41:42 1 1
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Teachers should have been on furlough for the first lockdown given what level of 'education' my daughter got in that time. teachers do not know they are born
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25/11/2020 16:46:25 1 1
bbc
Typical garbage that teachers do not work during the holidays which is totally untrue. The holidays is the time teachers get to finally sit down, plan and create lessons and schemes of work, do CPD training etc. 3 months off during lockdown, I wish, online learning, virtual lessons, wellbeing checks, lesson planning, assessment marking, it actually turned out to be more work than being in school.
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25/11/2020 16:46:57 0 1
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Typical garbage that teachers do not work during the holidays which is totally untrue. The holidays is the time teachers get to finally sit down, plan and create lessons and schemes of work, do CPD training etc. 3 months off during lockdown, I wish online learning, virtual lessons, wellbeing checks, lesson planning, assessment marking, it actually turned out to be more work than being in school.
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mc
25/11/2020 16:38:14 1 1
bbc
you get paid a hell of a lor more tahn most public staff like judiciaty staff on 18k for doing 6 months work, 6 weeks holiday in the sun, and finish by 4. You get insert days, staff to cover you while you sit in staff room marking work
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25/11/2020 16:59:55 1 0
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Everyone knows that teachers are the most hard done by profession in history. Why not just enjoy your 6 months holidays and short working day
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25/11/2020 16:14:24 9 6
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The point is that 2% is still less than inflation. Also public sector workers pay tax on their 2% too.

However to answer your question I've always been with the Lib-Dems... if you want decent public services you have to pay for them. Thats why Scandanavians pay a ton of tax but have a better standard of life than us.
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nc
25/11/2020 16:22:47 2 4
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not only the Scandinavians. most western euopeans do. And it will only get worse here in the UK, after Brexit. Just watch!
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25/11/2020 16:22:54 210 46
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Thousands of jobs and businesses gone in the private sector. Just the tip of the iceberg . At least public sector workers still have a job and an income .
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25/11/2020 16:36:54 90 10
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At the moment they do. Big cuts in the offing in the local authority I work for - and that's one of the solvent ones.
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tv
25/11/2020 16:33:26 25 4
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Wrong - redundancy and re-applying for jobs is the norm now in local gov. And that was before COVID.
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25/11/2020 17:13:59 14 2
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So, when they start being made redundant, what will be your excuse for continuing to hate and blame them for your woes?
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25/11/2020 17:17:25 13 0
bbc
What is this? A blame game?? Some people really ought to think before they even contemplate going near their keyboard!
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25/11/2020 18:54:58 5 2
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Yes and as a shift worker of over 25years(WORKED 25 XMAS Days) my place of work has no staff facilities at the weekend or after1300hrs but my boss doesn't pay for hot takeaway food. If I asked I'd be told I get a wage buy my own food
25/11/2020 20:29:37 8 0
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Classic divide & rule mistake: you spot that private sector workers have problems, and gripe at the public sector workers (who don't have it peachy either).

The people who are willing to do useful work for a fair wage are not the problem here.
26/11/2020 09:48:17 1 1
bbc
And fat pensions.
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25/11/2020 16:22:58 4 7
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I remember when to Private Sector shirker's would laugh at us in the public sector as they were getting payed a lot more salary than us. Who's laughing now
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25/11/2020 16:24:24 3 1
bbc
Eh????
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25/11/2020 16:29:23 1 1
bbc
If you're a shirker in the private sector you'll get your P45 pretty soon. For public sector workers shirking is in the job description in my experience.
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25/11/2020 16:14:27 15 17
bbc
The coronavirus pandemic is being used by the Tories to mask the economic impact of Brexit.
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25/11/2020 16:16:22 3 2
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Based on what theory? Just your own personal hunch? Ridiculous.
Bank of England seemed to be pretty gloomy about the immediate impact of brexit being worse than the pandemic. Any big change was always going to hit the economy at least in the short term. But hey, that's what people voted for.
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jon
25/11/2020 16:23:19 6 9
bbc
simple fix.....tax the rich at 60%, stop them moving money offshore, change the way council tax is calculated so its based on asset values not some stupid outdated banding regime......raise corp tax, stop subsidising fossil fuels, increase petrol tax.....or just raise income tax on the lowest paid...wonder which option the tories will go for.........no brainer
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25/11/2020 16:15:09 5 13
bbc
Have worked in a primary school throughout both lockdowns. A crappy extra £20 a month - wow! Talk about being screwed over.
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25/11/2020 16:23:24 15 6
bbc
So give it back of donate to a charity for the unemployed ...
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25/11/2020 16:14:24 9 6
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The point is that 2% is still less than inflation. Also public sector workers pay tax on their 2% too.

However to answer your question I've always been with the Lib-Dems... if you want decent public services you have to pay for them. Thats why Scandanavians pay a ton of tax but have a better standard of life than us.
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25/11/2020 16:23:36 1 4
bbc
I would be happy to pay an extra 1 or even 2%, but the rich people all pay an extra 3%. So on higher rate tax you pay even more! Won't be much support for that will there be! Oh dear the poor MPs a pay rise that most people would die for, but they are money grabbers who want every penny in their bank accounts as the are so poor and live on the bread line!
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25/11/2020 16:23:52 9 8
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£250? Was the clapping not enough?

Pure greed.

They should get proper jobs, like owning a ferry company with no ferries or a pest control firm who reckons they can get PPE. Then they'd see the Government open up the purse!
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25/11/2020 16:07:48 266 72
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A £250 raise? And how much did the MPs award themselves last time around?
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25/11/2020 16:23:59 24 43
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"The basic annual salary of a Member of Parliament (MP) in the House of Commons is £81,932, as of April 2020"

Great explanation as to why we don't have a parliament filled with doctors, top lawyers, scientists, and industry leaders.

Instead we have people with old money who don't need 80k, race baiters, Mhairi Black (was in 2nd year of uni when she got elected ((SNP).

Pay more, get better.
+ vast expenses that can add on a potential 20k+ a year...Why oh why do folk always forget these parasites expenses? They also have at least top consultancy jobs too that earn a vast sum, do not paint them as hardworking honest earners...makes you look a tad foolish Removed
this is why I don't read the BBC website much
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25/11/2020 16:06:04 22 18
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It will be the private sector that gets the economy moving. There will be no pay rises that will make up for the lost earnings of the past 9 months under furlough schemes and job losses. If we really are all in the together then the public sector now has to contribute by foregoing pay rises - I do not doubt their commitment during lockdown and they shouldn't doubt the private sector's either.
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25/11/2020 16:24:00 9 5
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I’m sorry that schools can’t “get the economy moving” I seem to recall it being the private banking sector causing the last crisis but we got to have a pay freeze for that one too! I’m actually not wanting a rise. Just inflation would be nice.
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25/11/2020 16:24:02 3 5
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how i see it if the government pulled there finger out, reduced taxes and the prices of fuel food and important items. we not need to be all on £35k a year just to survive.
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25/11/2020 16:16:13 23 22
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Public sector workers have very generous inflation-proof pensions. These barely exist any longer in the private sector.
Also, I'm not sure what contribution teachers made during the first lockdown as many children had to rely on BBC BiteSize, etc. while their teachers were at home.
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25/11/2020 16:24:14 13 6
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Absolute rubbish. The pensions aren’t gold plated plus they are contribution based, ie we pay into them, whether they like it or not
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25/11/2020 16:22:58 4 7
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I remember when to Private Sector shirker's would laugh at us in the public sector as they were getting payed a lot more salary than us. Who's laughing now
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25/11/2020 16:24:24 3 1
bbc
Eh????
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25/11/2020 16:24:31 8 16
bbc
If anyone voted for this right wing government gets affected by this, it's really unfortunate to say but you have no one to blame but yourself.
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25/11/2020 16:30:22 3 0
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Yeah, they should've voted for Labour, where everything is free, free, free and nothing has to get paid back, ever, ever, ever. The Labour Party = La-la-land HQ.
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25/11/2020 16:10:54 7 19
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Last year my NHS wife got a 2.3% pay rise (so not even inflationary) but her pension contribution was increased by so much in the same pay packet she had less cash than the month before. The pension age was increased at the same point to 73.

I'm waiting to hear what the barb is with this announcement
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25/11/2020 16:24:32 8 1
bbc
NOWHERE in the UK is the pension age 73
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25/11/2020 16:13:42 35 32
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It's always the public sector that's the first to kick off and whine, despite better job security, regular pay rises, betterjob security and attractive pensions. Public sector workers could do with a taste of the real world - it might curb their perpetual moaning.
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25/11/2020 16:25:04 32 14
bbc
Get on the gravy train & become a nurse or teacher then!! There's a shortage, what's stopping you from landing one of these super-cushy jobs?
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25/11/2020 16:25:12 6 8
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Fantastic - in the decade that followed 2008 banking crisis the public sector bailed out the private sector by receiving no rise for 4 years then max 1%, whilst private sector wages raced away and increase used to value the annual state pension rise under triple lock so you know better than 2.5%. Now covid-19 debts run up by support for private sector so public sector get no pay rise - how fair!
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25/11/2020 16:28:16 4 1
bbc
Which private sector? The tiny 0.001% that consists of the banks , or the rest of it where people are struggling to make ends meet and have little job security unlike the public sector jobs for life + cushy pension? On your bike pal.
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25/11/2020 16:10:54 7 19
bbc
Last year my NHS wife got a 2.3% pay rise (so not even inflationary) but her pension contribution was increased by so much in the same pay packet she had less cash than the month before. The pension age was increased at the same point to 73.

I'm waiting to hear what the barb is with this announcement
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25/11/2020 16:25:12 6 1
bbc
The pension age was not increased to 73. Why do you feel the need to make up stories
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25/11/2020 16:19:21 9 7
bbc
As many of the restrictions were done to protect pensioners, surely one of the things that should be stopped is the triple lock. Give them a pension increase by all means, based say on inflation plus one percent or something similar.
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25/11/2020 16:25:21 1 4
bbc
Protect the NHS - remember?
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25/11/2020 16:25:57 6 10
bbc
Can’t afford a proper pay rise for public sector?? Yet they can afford billions for their cronies. Demonstrable lies. Shame on the BBC for not pointing that out
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25/11/2020 16:26:08 17 1
bbc
All my Family have taken a big hit on their pensions during the pandemic. 90% of UK firms profits and dividends go to UK Pension Funds who pay the Pensions of all the 'poor' workers like Care Staff and Supermarket staff. Profits are zilch and pensions are already going to be cut for next year.
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25/11/2020 16:10:53 15 19
bbc
Both myself and my wife have worked throughout lockdown both of us public sector workers. All public sector workers working to keep the country moving, yet he then screws us over.
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25/11/2020 16:26:32 6 1
bbc
@ Mark ...at least you had work.. and before anyone goes on about furlough or any other aid.. some of us got and get no help whatsoever
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25/11/2020 16:18:08 16 15
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Easy to call for endless neverending furlough and lockdown when you aren't seeing the consequences.

Well now the consequences are catching up with us.

Future generations will look back and see this as a time where, united in collective hysteria, we trashed our economy and ruined countless livelihoods for no real benefit at all.
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25/11/2020 16:19:49 9 3
bbc
I'm sure you comments will be a great comfort to the families of the 10s of thousands who have died from Covid.
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25/11/2020 16:57:45 0 3
bbc
Thousands die in car accidents every year. Should we therefore ban all cars?

Thousands die of infectious disease such as flu every year. Should we thus lockdown until all infectious disease is eradicated.

Per Lord Sumption:

"To say that life is priceless and nothing else counts is just empty rhetoric. People say it because it is emotionally comfortable... But they don't actually believe it."
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25/11/2020 16:20:19 3 4
bbc
I work in public sector. Pay freeze is unfortunate but fair. I do wish the Chancellor hadn't said no one in the public sector had been asked to work reduced hours this year though as we have gone to 80% working hours for this year.
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25/11/2020 16:27:11 13 10
bbc
Better than nothing, public sector is a huge expense mostly justified but I see bleating teachers again, we are not paid enough, average school 70%+ of budgets go on teachers wages and pensions. From where I stand as a governor they do ok especially compared to nhs staff. Looking for savings, civil service, local government, pensions freeze and benefits freeze, unless Rashford says no of course.
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25/11/2020 16:40:47 2 3
bbc
I have to disagree. Teaching as well as nursing is chronically underpaid. Starting salaries of £23,000 with 4 years of higher education and a years training is pathetic, with no guarantees of pay rises depending on schools. I hear from teachers just starting out that they cannot afford to save for a mortgage, they cannot afford to save for a pension which is poor for a so called professional job.
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25/11/2020 17:01:15 0 1
bbc
Did you get your 'facts' about public sector pensions from the back of a fag packet or the Daily Mail? Contributions are much higher and if you have 2.1 million earning less than 24k thats hardly going to be a kings ransom of a pension. Cut people's pensions and it just cost taxpayers more in their retirement. Private sector had final salary for decades. What mismanagement or greed messed them up?
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25/11/2020 16:27:15 17 12
bbc
The public sector gravy train continues. What about all the people in the private sector who are low paid or worse don't even have a job at all now thanks to all this? Oh, thats right, they can go hang.
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25/11/2020 16:32:05 4 2
bbc
I don't think the government has any control about pay and pensions in the private sector. That's how the capitalist system works - private enterprise pays private salaries, public sector pays from taxation.
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25/11/2020 16:36:42 1 3
bbc
One rule for them and another for us, financially this has not affected the public sector one little bit, the rest of us....
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mc
25/11/2020 16:34:11 0 1
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private company are paid much more tahn public and you might get dividends or other benefits so stop bleating
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25/11/2020 16:22:25 193 53
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I get that they are low paid. But as a self employed person, I haven't worked all year. All of my clients cancelled my contracts back in late January as covid started to hit. As a self employed person I also didn't/still don't get a furlough payment. I have fallen through the cracks with no support, and am now negotiating with my bank to extend my mortgage holiday again. At least they have a job.
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25/11/2020 16:27:50 77 22
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Well said.
26/11/2020 09:47:41 0 2
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Civil Servants and Public workers are not on big money but they do have jobs. I personally don't have a job thru circumstances nobody is worried about so where is my sympathy, where is my pay rise, at least these public workers have jobs which are fairly secure too and are they bothered about anybody else lack of rise or having no job at all.