Spending Review: Chancellor outlines government spending plans
25/11/2020 | news | politics | 1,670
Rishi Sunak's spending review comes amid a difficult economic backdrop caused by the pandemic.
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25/11/2020 10:22:41 380 16
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The MPs could lead by example for the public pay sector freeze by stopping their significantly above inflation pay rise.
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OwO
25/11/2020 10:26:31 45 154
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The one determined by an independent body?

Not really suitable for them to interfere with that is it, will just lead to someone manipulating it the other direction in future.
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25/11/2020 10:26:45 44 5
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Agreed

It's disgusting that this so called 'indepent' pay review body they have keep approving year on year pay rises for them when our public services like Nurses, Firemen, Social Workers and so on have had their pay frozen to help offset this Covid caused increase in deficit
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25/11/2020 10:26:45 34 2
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MPs can't "stop their pay rise" as it was awarded by an Independent body. But yes, they could refuse the rise and request that it be given to worthy causes of their choice. Let's see how many do!
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25/11/2020 10:29:29 33 6
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Exactly. Everyone seems to have forgotten the massive pay rise they awarded themselves in the middle of summer.
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25/11/2020 10:31:01 34 4
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Plus give the £10k bonus for working at home back + cut the subsidised cost of meals in Westminster + crack down on expenses + cut ministerial pay + stop giving money away to friends of the Tory party for failed services like track and trace
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25/11/2020 10:32:23 13 1
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That has not happened before and will not happen this time either
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25/11/2020 10:40:26 11 2
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I agree. They'll say it was awarded by an independent body. It's like what the 1st minister of wales said about the Xmas relaxation. It's not an instruction that you have to mix. If the MP's refused to take it them people would respect them. Those that say they should get the increase should be named.
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25/11/2020 10:42:18 8 32
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MPs earn around 80k a year... most mid level professions pay that.. im not sure what the fuss is about.. are they supposed to run the country for free?
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25/11/2020 10:42:22 5 4
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I thought I was dreaming, hasn't Boris already indicated no increase for MPs?
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25/11/2020 10:42:27 6 2
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At our company we are on a pay freeze too - but lucky at the moment to have a job - and working from home with my budgie (Gary) so all fine and safe
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25/11/2020 11:03:37 6 1
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In the past MP's would vote on a pay rise, a lot would abstain but still accept the pay increase, with a shrug of the shoulders and say "I didnt vote for it but what can I do".

Now the shrug their shoulders and say "I cant refuse it as its out of my hands".

The decent MP's give their pay rises to charity (to start with), but then claim back the tax deductions, a charitable donation gives them.
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25/11/2020 11:08:25 4 1
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Didn't Boris say he felt MP's shouldn't take a pay rise?
Alas it's the 'independent body' that says they must accept one.
Maybe these MP's can donate the pay rise to charities etc.
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25/11/2020 11:10:56 5 2
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Remember when they gave themselves an 11% pay rise when most Of the public sector were on a Tory pay freeze? Here it comes again. My MP is useless. I can’t ever remember seeing or hearing of him in Parliament and he certainly doesn’t do anything for me, but then he’s a Tory so I guess it’s to be expected.
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25/11/2020 11:13:33 2 1
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Anyone who thinks that 'independent body' is in fact independent has not been paying attention. The body is stacked with ex-MP's, cronies and millionaire party donors.
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25/11/2020 11:23:46 2 0
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All they'll do instead is increase their expenses allowances. Win win for MP's every time.
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25/11/2020 11:24:20 0 0
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their salaries are to be frozen too....
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25/11/2020 11:27:11 1 4
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The MPs pay is set by an independent review body and is linked to the average increase in public sector pay, so the increase they are getting is based on the last increase the public sector got. If public sector gets no increases this will feed through as MPs won’t get an increase. The cabinet already have said they aren’t taking it. Our MPs get paid a lot less than in many countries
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25/11/2020 11:38:03 2 0
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All public sector pay bodies are independent, really are they not? The government just use this as an excuse to try to renege on the responsibility. In Scotland its COSLA who decide on what local authorities receive based on the budget received from Scottish Government. If there is no money, there is no pay rise. MP's already received a nice 10k handout for home working, why take more?
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25/11/2020 11:43:19 2 0
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Good luck with that
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25/11/2020 10:23:58 10 11
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There is an enormous reservoir of untapped and UNEARNED wealth called the UK property market.

Along with scrapping HS2, these will go a long way in plugging the hole.
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25/11/2020 10:29:02 6 4
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We've already borrowed more than 4 times the cost of HS2 this year. Cancelling that is a drop in the ocean not plugging the hole.

And tapping the UK property market is nothing short of theft.
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25/11/2020 10:52:14 2 2
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So what's your solution then ?

Just steal people's home ?
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25/11/2020 10:24:20 686 54
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Here's how it will be:

People who contribute nothing will continue to contribute nothing, and will not see any of their handouts reduce.

People at the top will either continue to pay far beyond their way, or pay nothing.

People in the middle - you know, normal people who work for a living and support themselves - will pay for everything additional, and see a cut in their living standards.
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25/11/2020 10:34:03 184 15
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Yep sounds about right
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25/11/2020 10:40:38 47 42
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"handouts" shapes the tenet of your comment..I.'m curious to know what label you would use if you had to claim benefits/help ?
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25/11/2020 10:41:57 21 10
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Chumocracy in action
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25/11/2020 10:43:27 69 20
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I agree with you overall, but let's face it those 'handouts' are dwarfed by the tax evaded and funneled offshore year on year.
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25/11/2020 10:47:36 47 10
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Are you including pensioners and the working poor - the bulk of the welfare payments - in those who contribute nothing but receive handouts?
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25/11/2020 10:49:11 11 37
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Sounds like the EU, doesn't it? Isn't that why we left?
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25/11/2020 10:50:31 46 20
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Absolutely right Betsyboo.......I could not have put that any better.
Unfortunately you get penalised in this country for being normal and doing the right thing.

There will come a time when it will not be worth going to work because every person working will just pay for someone who isn't.
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25/11/2020 10:53:05 6 34
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People in the middle unfortunately are people who sleepwalk through life, not taking advantages of the tax system, researching a better way and therefore move around with a target on their back for the tax man.
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25/11/2020 10:49:43 18 4
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All he needs to do is help the Excluded 3m and those who have fallen through the cracks. Imagine going 8 months without a single penny of support, having paid taxes all your working life. That is the reality for the small business, freelancers and many more who have received zero support.
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25/11/2020 11:02:36 12 18
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100% agree however you forgot to mention the people on furlough, sucking the system dry and getting bailed out for doing nothing who will cost hard working people millions in taxes.
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25/11/2020 11:02:36 17 5
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It's rare you see clear commentary like this on BBC HYS. Pretty much hit the nail on the head. There is a normal distribution to things such as ambition, self respect, work ethic, integrity etc etc....
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25/11/2020 11:10:15 21 4
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So people are finally clicking onto the scroungers that WON'T work, not to be confused with those that can't or those who can but can't get a job
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25/11/2020 11:15:48 3 10
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It's the same position as those in the Northr who either couldn't or wouldn't stick to the social distancing guidelines get mass testing! Another pathetic move from a morally bankrupt Government.
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25/11/2020 11:19:40 6 5
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Those at the top will pay nothing due to offshoring assets and/or other tax avoidance. They can afford to pay a lot more than us 'middle' lot. But of course, they're probably Govt donors.....
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25/11/2020 11:22:32 4 1
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From my own unexpert perspective closing loopholes that allow for tax avoidance feels the obvious route for plugging the holes in the UkS finances.

The question is how practical is it to close the loopholes? I’ve heard there’s a lot of different sorts of loopholes plus I’m unsure of the international law of it all.
Also will it be effective or will the super rich just emigrate elsewhere?
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25/11/2020 11:30:20 3 4
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spot on ... those who work hard always end up paying
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25/11/2020 11:42:06 4 4
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A lot of those people in the middle have received furlough. So your argument is flawed.

I rest my case.
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25/11/2020 11:42:39 3 2
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Or, to put it another way:
WE are paying too much
THEY are paying less than their fair share.
THOSE OTHERS are receiving more than their fair share.

Don't we all feel like that? However much we're paying or receiving?
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MDK
25/11/2020 11:44:55 2 2
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This is the way. The Tory way.
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25/11/2020 11:47:20 6 1
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Yep, that's right. And that's why VAT should increase to pay for the Covid measures, so that EVERYONE contributes in some way.
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25/11/2020 11:48:24 4 4
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You punch down at "people who contribute nothing"; your socio-economic standing is closer to them than "people at the top". Save your punching to go upwards towards those who proportionally evade most of the tax.

"The upper class keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The middle class pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are there just to scare the middle class."
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25/11/2020 11:49:48 3 5
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Hello betsyboo, I hope that soon you are on the same amount of money as an old aged pensioner. £146 per week! To which they are entitled it is not a handout because we all have contributed to your wealth for over 40 years so you can call it a handout!!
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Mo
25/11/2020 11:57:59 2 0
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Not sure what you mean by handouts. But if you’re referring to those in receipt of state benefits then what they receive is a fraction of those that are evading paying their fair share of tax!

In relation to your second point. I agree.
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25/11/2020 11:57:59 2 0
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Are we including pensioners in the first category - as they will not see any of their state handouts reduced?
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25/11/2020 12:03:59 2 0
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including subsidising the wanton waste of this feckless smirking government as they cosy up to pals. If I performed as poorly I'd be fired. Makes me sick that old folks have to pay a sodding TV licence in the face of the waste we have become aware of.
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25/11/2020 12:04:15 1 0
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That is usually the case with it being the largest sector that pays taxes.

Despite the Tories not wanting to be the party of taxation, they will, admittedly through no fault of their own be just that, probably issuing the biggest taxes any UK govt has ever done.
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25/11/2020 10:24:27 143 4
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The day we get a spending review, budget and/or any other policies that act genuinely in the majorities’ interests, is the day that lobbyists get banned from making contact with politicians and when the general public see through the media using its platforms to pursue their own interests.
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25/11/2020 10:30:41 108 126
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If public employees complain about getting no pay rise then it shows they care nothing of the hundreds of thousands losing their jobs currently.
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25/11/2020 10:24:52 9 9
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What about modelling the economic self-harm of Brexit? Even with a deal, the UK will be worse off and have to borrow more. Cutting overseas aid is a smokescreen to distract gullible hard-liners.
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25/11/2020 10:24:53 201 22
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Perhaps it's time to tax big tech that has benefited from the pandemic
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OwO
25/11/2020 10:27:55 125 39
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We do tax them. The solution to the issue you allude to is certain countries (RoI, Luxembourg) actually charging proper tax rates and not letting those companies pay no tax in other countries.

The EU could do something about this, if they cared. The UK cannot.
Many HYS users are fans of tax avoiding big tech corporations. In a recent HYS, Netflix and Amazon were being championed on here.
Last year, the Californian based Netflix received £1.1b in revenue from UK subscribers, and paid £0 in UK taxes.
Would Netflix fans be happy to pay more, if it meant the corporation paid UK taxes?
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25/11/2020 11:19:27 1 1
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and Supermarkets - in fact any company who profited from it.
25/11/2020 13:09:05 0 0
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They are taxed...it's time we looked at 'cash in hand', invisible economy....the tax fraud amounts to truly mind boggling proportions, well over £350bn annually at the last estimate...
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25/11/2020 10:24:54 6 4
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Right Rushi, can we have you in a "Deep thought" pose? Maybe scratch your chin to make it look really intense, little bit more, little bit more, hold it.

Perfect.
I say, BBC ... why no HYS on your leading news item on Ms Markle ?????????????? Removed
Ha ha ha! Because deep down, no one gives a cr*p about her ?? Removed
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Fay
25/11/2020 10:25:16 360 75
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If they stopped HS2, that's 100bn right there and also will save the countryside.
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25/11/2020 10:26:49 129 160
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It would put tens of thousands of people out of work, thereby increasing benefit payments and cutting income tax and VAT revenue.
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DG
25/11/2020 10:33:58 45 15
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Public Vote on HS2 is what we need.
Total waste of money that will only benefit a few.......... and the total final cost of around £200bn will NEVER be paid back
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25/11/2020 10:42:10 13 19
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We've already spent more than half the budget on planning, land acquisition, advance payments to constructors, plus the work already done. Cancel now and all that money will have achieved nothing.
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25/11/2020 10:46:35 3 3
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Plus £14 billion for the foreign aid debacle that we can’t afford, every Penny we spend now is borrowed.
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25/11/2020 10:54:45 2 9
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yeh it would also set us back another half a century in our emission reduction targets - not to mention lead to thousands more vehicles on the roads
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25/11/2020 10:57:45 1 3
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Make not one jot of difference plus 000s of jobs would be lost.
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25/11/2020 11:05:42 2 2
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They shouldn't renew Trident either. The UK is no longer a world power. No-one is going to attack us.
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25/11/2020 11:23:30 1 1
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Yes it needs stopping, total disgrace, what is it about the UK railways, why can't governments get it right for once.
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25/11/2020 11:45:34 2 0
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In times of economic depression governments tend to spend on infrastructure. It supports the economy, employs people and replaces lost business from the private sector. So if anything you are going to see more billions spent on more concrete due to this.
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25/11/2020 11:53:25 2 0
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Yes but that 100bn you talk of is over the next 25 years of building it so its not that much on an annual basis. Which equates to 1/10th of the money frittered away by Politicians and Councillors over the same period!!
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25/11/2020 12:00:26 0 0
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Guess you only go where you can walk in sustainable materials for your clothing, never use any mode of transport OR "it's ok to use existing things as they have been around for years" conveniently forgetting the same issues arose then.

Like the bloke who loves to go to his local but does not want a new one built next to him... get my drift YOUR SELFISH
25/11/2020 12:11:04 2 0
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So many short-sighted people calling for HS2 to be scrapped. Similar opposition would have been put up against motorways, many of which get snarled up regularly these days. This country's infrastructure is in desperate need of upgrading. Providing hi-speed passenger services frees up capacity on the existing network for freight, potentially taking thousands on polluting trucks off our roads.
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25/11/2020 10:25:25 12 11
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He should apologise for Eat out to Help Out fiasco which has contributed to the mess we are in right now. Not even mentioning the massive fraud and advantage taken of that communist giveaway. Now he is going to increase taxes. Generous with other people's money. Wish we had a conservative government running the country in this crisis. Oh....wait
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25/11/2020 10:25:04 173 25
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Sunak's plan is to avoid the elephant in the room : corporate tax evasion.

The other elephant is the banks still owing us billions, from the 2008 bailout.
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25/11/2020 10:30:00 38 5
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There is a new law in place to stop tech companies moving profits to low tax countries.
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25/11/2020 10:35:19 18 14
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You forgot Brexit - by far the biggest elephant of all.
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25/11/2020 10:55:19 3 10
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Large companies pay all that they are required to by law. Their ability to employ clever accountants and lawyers and their global presence means there is nothing can be done about it.
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25/11/2020 11:21:31 4 2
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Think we have shares in those banks which are probably worth more than the bailout.
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25/11/2020 11:33:07 6 1
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Most of that was paid back. The government even made some profit on some of them. They had to be bailed out, otherwise there would have been total economic collapse. It was a small and temporary price to pay. Also New Labour, when in office, could have regulated them better, but chose not to.
25/11/2020 12:41:47 0 0
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Must be a big room to accommodate two elephants
25/11/2020 12:55:27 1 1
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Corporations AVOID tax, they very rarely EVADE tax. They avoid tax within the law. So do individuals, eg ISAs, transferring assets between spouses, tenants in common, etc. etc..
25/11/2020 13:41:43 0 0
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What main stream tax evasion ? Put up 3 examples ?
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Cam
25/11/2020 10:25:49 17 18
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Damage done by Covid will be insignificant compared to that of brexit, particularly if no-deal goes ahead.
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25/11/2020 10:28:26 11 11
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bore off, utter nonsense
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25/11/2020 10:34:12 1 6
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You are wrong. Firstly, there probably be a deal. And even if there isn't, after an initial blip, the economy will steadily improve once we are freed from the EU's bureaucratic shackles. We are on the cusp of the roaring 20's.

When we look back in 2030, the consensus view will be that leaving the EU had a massively positive effect on the economy and British society. The EU will look on enviously.
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25/11/2020 10:26:14 43 15
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The only way to cut debts at these levels is through increased economic growth. If you have twin policies of cutting (freezing) wages and therefore cutting the disposable incomes of millions of UK citizens, combined with making it more difficult and expensive to export UK goods, the result will be a reduction in economic growth.
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OwO
25/11/2020 10:29:20 23 7
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The govt. cannot freeze private wages. Thankfully there are still some freedoms left.
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25/11/2020 10:40:30 4 4
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£700Bn of the debt (or more by now), and in any case about 90% of recently issued debt, is owned by the Bank of England, ie the government. It's not real debt. It's just printed money.
25/11/2020 12:22:19 0 0
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Not the only, but certainly the best.
25/11/2020 12:38:29 0 0
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Seem to recall a certain Harold Wilson managed it back in the 70's. And he was Labour!
25/11/2020 12:50:20 0 1
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The lower pound has made it easier to export British goods. But harder to import EU goods. Brexit will be good for the UK., Maybe not a few of the very large businesses. Bust the majority of people work for SMEs.
25/11/2020 12:57:46 0 0
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The way to cut debts is to print the money to pay them off, and just take the Sterling devaluation on the chin. It won't be as bad as the 15% devaluation we took during Brexit.
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25/11/2020 10:26:28 60 8
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We have had the equivalent of a World War impact on our economy.

We will have a post war impact on our public finances.

This may be shorter than a conventional post war hit if we manage to regrow the economy rapidly.
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25/11/2020 10:28:39 68 75
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" if we manage to regrow the economy rapidly"

Ain't gonna happen after Brexit, is it ?
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25/11/2020 10:33:55 15 17
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No chance: Brexit will be far more damaging than Covid with no vaccine to fix it.
So you are saying to scrap Brexit to let the UKs economy quickly thrive again, well said whoaml!!!
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25/11/2020 10:22:41 380 16
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The MPs could lead by example for the public pay sector freeze by stopping their significantly above inflation pay rise.
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OwO
25/11/2020 10:26:31 45 154
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The one determined by an independent body?

Not really suitable for them to interfere with that is it, will just lead to someone manipulating it the other direction in future.
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25/11/2020 10:31:14 46 5
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A body as independent as the one that found Patel was a bully but then completely ignored by Boris? Yes, very independent.
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25/11/2020 10:32:22 38 2
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If an independent pay body is good enough for MPs perhaps a similar independent body should decide the pay rises for other people too
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25/11/2020 10:46:57 19 2
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The same MPs decided to reject an independent reviewers view of the need for a NHS pay increase in 2012.

They can ignore such pay bodies as they see fit, strangely.
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25/11/2020 10:56:55 7 2
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They appear to interfere in every other independent pay review body. We accept the findings but.....
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25/11/2020 10:57:05 10 2
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Funny but I thought we were all in this together. It seems that the MP's are less in it than the rest of us - as usual.
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25/11/2020 11:05:02 5 1
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They don't have to accept it do they?
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25/11/2020 11:39:57 3 0
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It's hardly independent when the people on the panel were chosen by MPs.
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25/11/2020 11:41:45 2 0
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"The one determined by an independent body?"

LoL. Good one. Oh you was serious.
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Guv
25/11/2020 11:44:25 2 0
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They ignore other reports when it suits them e.g. Patel.
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25/11/2020 10:22:41 380 16
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The MPs could lead by example for the public pay sector freeze by stopping their significantly above inflation pay rise.
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25/11/2020 10:26:45 44 5
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Agreed

It's disgusting that this so called 'indepent' pay review body they have keep approving year on year pay rises for them when our public services like Nurses, Firemen, Social Workers and so on have had their pay frozen to help offset this Covid caused increase in deficit
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25/11/2020 10:22:41 380 16
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The MPs could lead by example for the public pay sector freeze by stopping their significantly above inflation pay rise.
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25/11/2020 10:26:45 34 2
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MPs can't "stop their pay rise" as it was awarded by an Independent body. But yes, they could refuse the rise and request that it be given to worthy causes of their choice. Let's see how many do!
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25/11/2020 11:17:27 1 1
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Many of them have said that they will give the extra to charity.

Not sure how you envisage their 'refusing' it. Surely it will just arrive in their bank accounts as part of their pay?
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25/11/2020 11:23:29 4 0
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De Pfeffel chose to ignore the independent report on Patel because he didn't like the contents.
However, when an independent body want to give him more money....
I will just leave it there.
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25/11/2020 10:26:46 14 7
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He gives with one hand and takes it all back with two
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Fay
25/11/2020 10:25:16 360 75
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If they stopped HS2, that's 100bn right there and also will save the countryside.
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25/11/2020 10:26:49 129 160
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It would put tens of thousands of people out of work, thereby increasing benefit payments and cutting income tax and VAT revenue.
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25/11/2020 10:33:44 52 9
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Plenty of other infrastructure work they could do at lower cost that would benefit far more people than those living in a few big cities
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25/11/2020 10:36:58 40 8
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Those people could be used more productively elsewhere.

By employing people to build HS2, not only do we have an initial bill of £100bn+, but when the things actually working it'll probably suck in £bn every year in subsidies to keep it going!
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25/11/2020 10:42:40 26 8
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If they spent half the amount on fixing & upgrading the current network, it would employ as many & benefit far more people across the whole UK.
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25/11/2020 10:44:25 31 5
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They’d be employed doing something else more useful to society.
What has everyone been doing over the last 9 months?.... working from home.
So why spend billions improving journey times by 15 minutes, in an enclosed space, to London?
Yeah.... not exactly high on anyone’s priority list. Ditto another runway at Heathrow.

The mark of a brave government would be to shelve these white elephants
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25/11/2020 10:52:02 15 7
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£100 billion to save people 30 minutes at most on some train journeys.
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25/11/2020 10:52:38 15 6
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It has a very poor return on investment; cancelling it will allow much more needed projects with far better returns to go ahead. Cancelling might also prevent some tory cronies from getting easy money so this is why the tories will fight to retain it.
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25/11/2020 11:08:53 3 1
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We need investment now to make a better future. far better than paying 'the dole' to thousands of workers.
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25/11/2020 11:18:53 2 1
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Right - but it doesn't cost £100bn to put those people into work. So spend the money on employing them somewhere else and put the difference back into the treasury.
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25/11/2020 11:25:10 0 0
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how many of those jobs are imported i.e. foreign workers coming over with Bouygues or Volker?
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25/11/2020 11:25:22 0 1
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Maybe employ them all to build affordable and sustainable housing?
£200bn would go quite a long way.

Oh but I guess reducing a journey time by 20 minutes for a few and tearing up the beautiful countryside is far more importnat that the living standards of the many.
25/11/2020 12:14:37 2 0
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You can move those people onto more useful infrastructure work such as high speed broadband installation everywhere in the UK. Thats needed way more than a chariot for the rich. Cheaper to!
25/11/2020 12:44:06 0 0
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Are there really tens of thousands of workers currently employed on this project at the moment?
25/11/2020 12:53:31 0 0
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There are many useful infrastructure projects that need doing across the UK. There are several in the region where I live that are well overdue for funding. This is where the HS2 workers and the money should be directed.
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25/11/2020 10:27:04 13 6
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Give Matt Hancock £10b he will soon waste it
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25/11/2020 10:27:05 5 5
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Use the HS2 budget to buy Bitcoin and gold. That’ll sort the deficit out pretty quick.
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25/11/2020 10:27:19 124 43
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Target the tax dodging corporations....won't happen though...too many of Bozo's pals
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25/11/2020 10:49:32 77 22
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What about people on the BBC payroll ?

The cast of Mrs Browns boys are paid by cheque through a Belgian account therefore avoiding tax.....
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25/11/2020 10:54:25 9 10
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Usual leftie rubbish. How much extra tax are you going to contribute?
25/11/2020 12:59:10 1 0
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Examples of 'tax-dodging' please. Corporations work within the law. Any FD who asks shareholders to pay more tax than legally required would soon be on the dole.
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25/11/2020 10:27:20 10 10
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By the way the leaders of the devolved governments slag Boris off, I'd give them no money, after all, they want independence.
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25/11/2020 10:29:56 0 1
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we are waiting but south england needs us all more than the north of england
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25/11/2020 10:32:49 1 1
bbc
I 'slag him off' too: lazy, incompetent, narcissistic, lier (on a good day). The only possible reason to put up with Johnson is that the alternative could be Gove (horror)!
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25/11/2020 10:33:13 0 1
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Not all of us. In fact it’s a noisy minority that want independence, just like the brexit lot.
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25/11/2020 10:34:48 1 1
bbc
You may be happy with a incompetent clown, many of us are not.
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25/11/2020 10:41:50 1 1
bbc
You do know that the tax paying public of these devolved nations also pay into the UK government? Boris is a figure head of the UK Government, not an English government. His job is to deal with all the UK nations.
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25/11/2020 10:27:29 5 4
bbc
Use headlines to make it sound like you give a @#£& about the have nots, and hope no-one looks too closely at the actual details.
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25/11/2020 10:27:54 7 10
bbc
Wow.. and pretty much completely avoidable if they hadn’t locked down and closed off the economy for basically no benefit. I know people furloughed and immediately out of a job at the end of furlough, completely negating the point of it (if there was any point!) Companies that do that should be made to pay back every penny.
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25/11/2020 10:24:53 201 22
bbc
Perhaps it's time to tax big tech that has benefited from the pandemic
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OwO
25/11/2020 10:27:55 125 39
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We do tax them. The solution to the issue you allude to is certain countries (RoI, Luxembourg) actually charging proper tax rates and not letting those companies pay no tax in other countries.

The EU could do something about this, if they cared. The UK cannot.
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25/11/2020 10:46:11 29 9
bbc
The UK could have done more to fight within the EU to change this. Now we have left the EU we have far less influence.
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25/11/2020 11:09:04 14 2
bbc
We could introduce laws mandating corporation tax is paid in countries where profits are earned and pursue big brands who fiddle the figures with franchising/branding charges that get taxed in tax havens, thereby falsely reducing the apparent taxable earnings here. We could do that. Our government chooses not to.
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25/11/2020 11:02:49 8 3
bbc
This is incorrect, sorry. The government has caught Amazon taking UK sales from a UK office (and not an Irish office). They need to pay up but as usual the government looked the other way.

If you or I did this, HMRC would be all over us.
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25/11/2020 11:14:05 8 4
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Bojo will sort it. After all he’s the Brexit lemming. He wanted us to have control of our taxes so I fully expect come January 1st the likes of Amazon and Google will find themselves with hefty bills. Or not!!
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25/11/2020 11:33:27 5 0
bbc
Actually, once we leave the EU we can; such a levying a tax on UK revenue of big companies that deliberately locate in such EU countries to avoid paying their fair share.
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25/11/2020 11:55:31 1 2
bbc
I think you'll find British offshore accounts are far worse.
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25/11/2020 12:00:51 1 1
bbc
The UK could introduce an "Internet service tax". Also if the end user /customer is in the UK then taxes in the UK should apply, no shifting profits to lower tax areas.
978
25/11/2020 12:05:27 3 2
bbc
Perhaps the UK could have played a part as a KEY MEMBER of the EU. Now that it is an isolationist rock between the Atlantic and North Sea, you are correct - it can do nothing because its clout is severely diminished. Get used to that.
25/11/2020 12:29:57 0 1
bbc
The UK can do something, they can drop Very Avaricious Tax and start charging a Sales Tax. Then the revenue can't leave the Country.
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25/11/2020 10:28:03 49 14
bbc
If MPs have an independent body deciding what their pay rises should be, public sector employees should have one too, and their decisions should be out of government hands in both cases.
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25/11/2020 11:13:07 21 20
bbc
We did, years ago, but Maggie Thatcher got rid of it because she didn't like what they came up with. As usual, the Civil Service will get shafted.
25/11/2020 12:44:45 0 0
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Prison service uses 1 every year and every year they recommend a extremely small rise if lucky but its usually a no rise recommendation
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25/11/2020 10:28:09 4 2
bbc
Giving it away was the easy bit. Crunch time approaches!
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25/11/2020 10:28:15 4 9
bbc
Austerity, please - and *proper* austerity like Germany does, not the pretendy-austerity that all the sensitive souls refer to when they talk about ToryAusterity like it is all one word.

We need to balance the books.
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25/11/2020 10:32:33 3 3
bbc
Yep - I drink to that, Hugh. It's high time that every able bodied person in the UK learned to cut their own cloth and work to earn a living.
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25/11/2020 10:38:55 0 1
bbc
I imagine you think you won't be affected by another round of austerity - very easy to support something that will affect others but not you.
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25/11/2020 10:51:18 0 1
bbc
"We need to balance the books."

No we don't. Permanent sustainable debt is how modern economies are run
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Cam
25/11/2020 10:25:49 17 18
bbc
Damage done by Covid will be insignificant compared to that of brexit, particularly if no-deal goes ahead.
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25/11/2020 10:28:26 11 11
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bore off, utter nonsense
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25/11/2020 10:31:12 2 2
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You're gonna get a nasty shock in January.

It's what you voted for.

OWN IT.
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LG
25/11/2020 10:40:05 2 2
bbc
Head in sand as per usual
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25/11/2020 10:28:30 10 3
bbc
Important to remember that this isn't the banking crisis. The economy is as viable as it ever was; it's just on hold due to a public health emergency. The sensible thing to do would be to reduce the debt over time using small, incremental tax increases, inflation and the naturally recovering economy. Unfortunately I'm not sure many have faith in this government being sensible.
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25/11/2020 10:28:34 9 13
bbc
Speaking as somebody in the private sector who hasn't worked since March

Pay freeze public sector including MPs
Cut foreign Aid slush fund
Cut BBC tax
Properly investigate false bounce back loans and recover what money you can
Properly investigate false UC claims
Reform the Civil Service to make them more commercially orientated & less bound up by compliance issues.
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25/11/2020 10:31:53 6 1
bbc
Or even 10, 20, 30 fold just collect the tax due.
Tax Havens
Allowances
Property
etc.

OOps MP's have a vested interest silly me.
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25/11/2020 10:35:43 0 1
bbc
So no real economic stimulus then & certainly nothing that will help you in the private sector! Goid plan!??
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25/11/2020 10:30:08 1 1
bbc
No job ? Get on your bike and look for work.

That's what a Tory would say.
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25/11/2020 10:39:20 0 1
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What about all the Public sector workers who have worked all the way through and kept providing services while you collected furlough? Why would you want to punish those who worked and continued to pay tax into the system, while you watched Jeremy Vine and got paid for it?
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25/11/2020 10:43:41 1 1
bbc
I'm not sure why the fact you haven't worked since March is relevant to your desire to cut pay for teachers, firefighters, police officers, the armed forces etc but there are plenty of alternatives to a public sector pay freeze. Worth noting that many public sector workers carried on going into work during the height of the pandemic, risking their lives. And we reward them with a pay freeze.
Removed
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25/11/2020 10:47:58 1 1
bbc
"Cut BBC tax"

No such thing. The BBC is funded by a licence fee that you pay if you choose to have a television. Totally different to a tax, as I suspect you know.

Now grow up.
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25/11/2020 10:48:57 0 1
bbc
"Properly investigate false UC claims"

... which will cost thousands per claim, probably for the sake of a few hundred quid. So not a money-saver.
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25/11/2020 10:49:54 0 1
bbc
"Reform the Civil Service to make them more commercially orientated "

Ridiculous, as the Civil Service does not have the same purpose as a business.

Like saying "Reform farming to make it more like hairdressing"
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25/11/2020 10:28:49 129 12
bbc
There would be a lot more money if he's brave enough to close the tax havens like the BVI etc!
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25/11/2020 10:53:50 14 66
bbc
Oh, yes, lets send in the gun boats! Do you think things through before you post them?
25/11/2020 12:16:37 1 0
bbc
How?

Nuke them?
25/11/2020 13:13:26 2 0
bbc
And the channel islands and the Caymans. You also need to think why HC One, one of the UK's largest care home providers needs more than a dozen companies there? Shareholder return matters more than lives?
25/11/2020 14:07:59 0 0
bbc
He can't close tax havens, but he could do plenty of things to stop UK citizens, including non-doms, doing business in the UK with companies registered in the BVI, Caymans and others... if his chums didn't object.
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25/11/2020 10:28:56 8 7
bbc
Anneliese Dodds "and regional inequality has got worse under their watch"

Remind me again how much better it got under Phony Tony Tory Blair & Brown.
Maybe how you altered the green book equation to help your traditional supporters.
Or building social housing
Reduced need for In work benefits
Reduced Inequality
Reduced Homelessness
Did the opposite of all those things, people in glass houses lol
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25/11/2020 10:32:14 5 7
bbc
Get real....the Tories have ruined this country in the last 12 years
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25/11/2020 10:34:16 0 1
bbc
Why listen to the drivel of the upturned mop
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25/11/2020 10:33:28 3 1
bbc
The decline in social housing started with Thatcher and has increased significantly since the tories came back to power, just read their previous administration's manifestos and what they actually did, a 100% failure on building new social housing!!

Too busy looking after their tax dodging pals.
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25/11/2020 10:46:57 0 1
bbc
The fact is that Blair / Brown was simply Thatcher mk2. So obviously their policies were little different to what went before and what has come since.

You had your chance in 2019 ...
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25/11/2020 10:23:58 10 11
bbc
There is an enormous reservoir of untapped and UNEARNED wealth called the UK property market.

Along with scrapping HS2, these will go a long way in plugging the hole.
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25/11/2020 10:29:02 6 4
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We've already borrowed more than 4 times the cost of HS2 this year. Cancelling that is a drop in the ocean not plugging the hole.

And tapping the UK property market is nothing short of theft.
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25/11/2020 10:33:09 2 4
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The UK property market has for decades been kept artificially high by tacit agreement between Government, the banks and the developers.

Intergenerational theft of the grandest scale.
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25/11/2020 10:29:12 104 50
bbc
"And the SNP is calling for a huge stimulus package to support growth and jobs across the whole of the UK"

Do the snp want to be part of the UK or not?!

*NOTE* the majority of Scots hate the snp and want rid of them.
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FF
25/11/2020 10:34:53 57 81
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*NOTE* You haven't, nor don't and never will speak for the majority of Scots. They actually have a majority in Scotland you spoon.
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25/11/2020 10:35:51 9 15
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Ah the trolls are in
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25/11/2020 10:36:05 11 18
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that must be why they keep winning elections!
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25/11/2020 10:36:43 12 20
bbc
Erm, *NOTE* no we don't. Have you been living under a rock for the past few years?! May 2020 will be an SNP landslide. The union is finished.
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25/11/2020 10:36:44 17 8
bbc
Not an SNP voter but I'd suggest that the last election does not support your statement.
As an Englishman living in Scotland, I have to say your comment about the majority of Scots being filled with hate is garbage. The majority of Scots are friendly and welcoming. It is one of the many attractions of living here.
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25/11/2020 10:44:45 13 5
bbc
Who's paying for all those tampons?
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25/11/2020 11:12:31 3 7
bbc
The SNP will be gone if they cancel Hogmanay. Just wait.
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25/11/2020 11:24:54 3 2
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If your comment is true, how come the SNP have been voted in? Really you need to research before you post.
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25/11/2020 11:28:49 3 2
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'*Note*'

That this is your opinion and cannot in any way be backed up with facts. As in reality those facts point to the exact opposite.

Do you guys just adopt the The wizard of Oz approach on here, click your heels, close your eyes and repeat 'SNP go away, SNP go away'.
xlr
25/11/2020 12:17:02 2 2
bbc
Scotland can't borrow for itself so could not plan stimulus itself. It must somehow convince the UK do so if it wants it.

And no, SNP don't want to be part of the UK. But when the wife doesn't let you have the credit card, then you've got to ask nicely until the divorce.
25/11/2020 12:18:00 3 2
bbc
What a bizarre thing to post considering both the SNP and Independence are polling above 50% in Scotland right now. Have you ever actually been north of the border?
25/11/2020 12:19:07 3 2
bbc
*NOTE* the majority of Scots hate the snp and want rid of them....
Gibberish , Clearly the majority of voting Scots disagree with your rantings as SNP seem to win every time there is an election.
25/11/2020 12:42:06 1 1
bbc
take a look at the polls Nit all scots hate the SNP. That is why we keep voting for them.
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25/11/2020 10:29:15 48 19
bbc
Haven't a clue how you sort this mess out. And a no deal Brexit looming also. Pretty sure throwing fuel on the Covid fire and allowing mass Christmas gatherings won't help either, but I'm sure it will take peoples minds of the pain that will come, at least for a few days.
Be fun to watch. Pull up a chair and open the popcorn.
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25/11/2020 10:43:41 23 12
bbc
"Haven't a clue how you sort this mess out."

Good morning, Mr Sunak.
25/11/2020 13:41:52 0 0
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As you say, you haven't a clue.
The only way to cut debts at these levels is through increased economic growth. If you have twin policies of cutting (freezing) wages and therefore cutting the disposable incomes of millions of UK citizens, combined with making it more difficult and expensive to export UK goods, the result will be a reduction in economic growth.
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OwO
25/11/2020 10:29:20 23 7
bbc
The govt. cannot freeze private wages. Thankfully there are still some freedoms left.
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25/11/2020 10:44:15 3 1
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They can freeze wages in the public sector.
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25/11/2020 10:50:02 5 2
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They've done it before, back in the 70s.
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25/11/2020 10:51:03 2 1
bbc
Boom time didn't say 'freeze private wages'? He/she was clearly referring to public sector.
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25/11/2020 10:50:02 4 3
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>The govt. cannot freeze private wages. Thankfully there are still some freedoms left.

apart from, you know, the two million people on minimum wage whose wages are being frozen
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25/11/2020 10:55:41 0 3
bbc
No, but hey can freeze public sector wages, and that is now a large part of earnings, given unemployment rises in the private sector.
25/11/2020 12:59:32 0 0
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Although they could very simply tweak tax rates.

In any case, OP was advocating for going for growth, not tax/income policies.
25/11/2020 13:10:42 0 0
bbc
I wouldn’t bank on it our lives are at a standstill all we have to look forward now is lockdowns welcome to uk open prison
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25/11/2020 10:28:14 53 25
bbc
Tax the middle and working classes.

Avoid taxing Amazon and Boots.

Again.

That's Fishi's plan.
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25/11/2020 10:32:56 39 27
bbc
Don't forget wasting billions on HS2!
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JGC
25/11/2020 11:32:17 2 0
bbc
It's difficult for the UK Government to impose additional taxes on Amazon given they are legally based outside the UK. That's the problem they can trade in any European country from any European country with no tariffs. So it's not a surprise they pick the one with the lowest levels of taxation. Maybe a change in the law to apply taxes based on the customers location rather than the companies?
25/11/2020 12:20:59 0 0
bbc
Well you can hardly tax the lower classes can you, as that just means they will get paid more benefits! Take in one hand, gie with the other and lose money to pay for all the admin required to do it
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25/11/2020 10:26:28 60 8
bbc
We have had the equivalent of a World War impact on our economy.

We will have a post war impact on our public finances.

This may be shorter than a conventional post war hit if we manage to regrow the economy rapidly.
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25/11/2020 10:28:39 68 75
bbc
" if we manage to regrow the economy rapidly"

Ain't gonna happen after Brexit, is it ?
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25/11/2020 11:04:30 2 9
bbc
Oh yes it is.
25/11/2020 13:41:02 0 0
bbc
Yawn.
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25/11/2020 10:22:41 380 16
bbc
The MPs could lead by example for the public pay sector freeze by stopping their significantly above inflation pay rise.
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25/11/2020 10:29:29 33 6
bbc
Exactly. Everyone seems to have forgotten the massive pay rise they awarded themselves in the middle of summer.
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25/11/2020 11:17:45 1 3
bbc
They didn't award it to themselves. Learn to read.
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25/11/2020 10:27:20 10 10
bbc
By the way the leaders of the devolved governments slag Boris off, I'd give them no money, after all, they want independence.
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25/11/2020 10:29:56 0 1
bbc
we are waiting but south england needs us all more than the north of england
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25/11/2020 10:29:59 5 3
bbc
I'll believe it upon seeing the completed projects. Until then talk/announcements mean nothing. This government holds the record for U turns.
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25/11/2020 10:25:04 173 25
bbc
Sunak's plan is to avoid the elephant in the room : corporate tax evasion.

The other elephant is the banks still owing us billions, from the 2008 bailout.
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25/11/2020 10:30:00 38 5
bbc
There is a new law in place to stop tech companies moving profits to low tax countries.
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25/11/2020 10:55:48 10 3
bbc
Low tax companies like Ireland? Yes, the EU too has its tax havens.
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mdb
25/11/2020 11:52:19 7 3
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and if the Govt put as much effort & resources into tracking & stopping tax evasion as they did pursuing people on unemployment & sick benefits we might get a return on those laws.
25/11/2020 12:40:04 0 0
bbc
Where?
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25/11/2020 10:30:03 161 19
bbc
Time to adopt the USA tax collection from Overseas citizens... remove Jersey, Isle of Man, Guernsey as tax havens, tax people working "tax free" in Dubai and Saudi, if they dont want to pay the can give up their passports!! it works for the US and we need to stop pussy footing around!
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25/11/2020 10:42:00 73 3
bbc
does that include, Amazon, Starbucks, google etc.
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25/11/2020 10:43:12 1 6
bbc
How did Boris fare with his US tax demand?
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25/11/2020 11:39:25 6 1
bbc
Ridiculous comment. I am a US citizen who has to spend over a thousand pounds a year to have a tax accountant sort out my very complicated US tax return, only for my US tax liabilty to be zero. And would you want to be double taxed?? The US worldwide income only benefits the accountants and hurts most overseas US citizens.
842
25/11/2020 11:49:48 2 2
bbc
The UK financial services industry makes billions from arranging this sort of thing for clients. No way is it going to stop, in fact the only reason we did Brexit was to allow more of it.
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25/11/2020 11:46:22 5 1
bbc
Just about the most ridiculous post I have ever read on here.
25/11/2020 12:11:40 2 1
bbc
Do you honestly think people would think twice about paying zero tax with high paying jobs and living a very good lifestyle as opposed to giving up UK citizenship? Where do I hand in my passport??
25/11/2020 12:17:27 1 1
bbc
You may actually lose tax revenue that way as people give up their citizenship.....
25/11/2020 12:26:57 1 0
bbc
Nope, that's difficult- you need legislation,proof, courts, money. Much easier to tax you and me a bit, if it's a percentile on PAYE we've got no argument. Simples.
And get children into mines too. Removed
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25/11/2020 10:30:07 15 3
bbc
I hope he sees the long term, we aren't out of this yet. We will have to pay it back over the next few decades. Seen graphs showing the debt from ww1 and ww2 still dwarf what we are spending at the moment. All he will do is tinker at the edges. More support over the next six months and then it can be pulled away after vaccination city. We'll get through this.
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25/11/2020 10:30:19 8 9
bbc
The medicine has done more harm than the disease.
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25/11/2020 10:34:39 1 1
bbc
not to those who died,or lost loved ones.guess your not in that list then.
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25/11/2020 10:47:11 0 1
bbc
Not if you have money in the stock market
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25/11/2020 10:30:22 110 38
bbc
Cancel HS2 and we’ll pretty much be done Mr Sunak- Simple.

It’s not difficult if the political will is there.
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25/11/2020 11:12:25 25 13
bbc
We need to spend our way out of the recession (it worked for the USA for the great depression) and invest for the future.
25/11/2020 12:29:01 1 2
bbc
Yeah that's so clever, write off billions in losses and tell hundreds of constructors and sub-contractors that their next 10 years of employment is gone. Any more bright ideas?
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25/11/2020 10:24:27 143 4
bbc
The day we get a spending review, budget and/or any other policies that act genuinely in the majorities’ interests, is the day that lobbyists get banned from making contact with politicians and when the general public see through the media using its platforms to pursue their own interests.
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25/11/2020 10:30:41 108 126
bbc
If public employees complain about getting no pay rise then it shows they care nothing of the hundreds of thousands losing their jobs currently.
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25/11/2020 10:45:40 26 13
bbc
If you complain about a public sector pay rise, it shows you don't care about the private sector. Public sector pay rise is public spending. Workers in the public sector by stuff from the private sector like food and toys. If they have less money then the private sector will also suffer.
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25/11/2020 10:47:28 22 9
bbc
Why? How does a public sector pay freeze help people who are unemployed? If people in the public sector have less money to spend that means less profit for retail, which could lead to further job losses in the private sector.
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25/11/2020 10:49:09 22 6
bbc
It shows no such thing. Stop being silly!
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25/11/2020 10:49:36 11 7
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I have less of a problem with the pay freeze than I do with the really deep cuts some of us are facing. Things have already been cut to the bone over the last 10 years, there is a limit.

But it seems we can only find money for big stuff that sounds good like HS2 and project moonshot (and Serco etc).

Of course since we are all lazy and do nothing obviously it won't matter.
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25/11/2020 10:52:31 9 11
bbc
Totally agree, I haven't had a pay rise in 2 years, am not happy but I still have a job.
Less disposable income from public sector worker = Less money to spend employing workers in the private sector = less money to invest in public services. It is all linked.
And why try to divide public/private sector workers? Regardless of the sector in which they find employment, all workers are the same. They are selling their time/labour/skills for the best terms and conditions they can get.
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25/11/2020 10:56:30 17 6
bbc
Absurd. All it shows is that they don't want to see their pay reduced for something which isn't their fault, and which in fact has been dealt with mainly by them.
25/11/2020 12:27:59 1 1
bbc
Shows nothing of the sort. A pay cut or freeze impacts the people impacted, and has no bearing whatsoever on other employers or employees. Also, why should they "care" - is that a new legal requirement? How should they "care"? What difference will that make? Where is your research?

How about you cut your own pay by 20% - by donating to a charity - and demonstrate how much you care?
25/11/2020 12:50:24 1 0
bbc
Many public employees keep this country running. Do you want your emptied or not?
25/11/2020 12:51:04 0 0
bbc
There are public sector employees who work in job centres and who have done a lot this year to help newly unemployed. Please don't say they don't care
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25/11/2020 10:30:42 9 8
bbc
The unavoidable truth is:
- far too many people are net takers (over half of working people) and therefore effectively contribute nothing.
- Corporations and self employed (3m+) pay far less tax than they should through legal tax avoidance schemes
- UK doesnt produce very much, we are massive consumers
- The rich have never paid so much tax to prop up the economy
- Brexit will ruin us
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25/11/2020 10:35:21 1 1
bbc
Surely the working people you speak of do contribute though. They are working. no one is prepared to pay someone to do nothing or produce nothing. I work 40 hours a week, pay my taxes etc. At what point do I turn into someone who contributes nothing? You may be a Daily Mail reader and have it in for civil servants but take them away and a lot of services go with them.
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DG
25/11/2020 10:30:57 6 2
bbc
Firstly, the Chancellor will rip the back out of Freelancers whilst destroying the flexible workforce at the same time. Then he will make his provisions to spend more on social security to help the freelancers he has just laid off.
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25/11/2020 10:41:31 1 2
bbc
"Then he will make his provisions to spend more on social security "

Has he resigned from the Tory party, then?
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25/11/2020 10:22:41 380 16
bbc
The MPs could lead by example for the public pay sector freeze by stopping their significantly above inflation pay rise.
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25/11/2020 10:31:01 34 4
bbc
Plus give the £10k bonus for working at home back + cut the subsidised cost of meals in Westminster + crack down on expenses + cut ministerial pay + stop giving money away to friends of the Tory party for failed services like track and trace
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25/11/2020 10:31:07 14 11
bbc
Physical Prudence once a Tory Buzzword.....

Check out the debt run up by this lot since 2010/2020

Strong and Stable...…...
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25/11/2020 10:35:47 4 4
bbc
One thing the Tories have learn`t, austerity didn`t work. If they had known world interest rates was going to stay low they could have invested more money than they did. Now it`s catch up time....
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25/11/2020 10:49:33 1 1
bbc
This shows you have no understanding at all of the difference between debt and deficit. The Tories inherited a budget deficit of £150 billion per year in 2010. If your monthly income is £1000, your outgoings are £1500, the remaining £500 has to come from somewhere - e.g. borrowing. This compounds every year. You can't repay debt when you're already in deficit, you have to tackle spending first.
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OwO
25/11/2020 10:26:31 45 154
bbc
The one determined by an independent body?

Not really suitable for them to interfere with that is it, will just lead to someone manipulating it the other direction in future.
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25/11/2020 10:31:14 46 5
bbc
A body as independent as the one that found Patel was a bully but then completely ignored by Boris? Yes, very independent.
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25/11/2020 10:46:39 8 2
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don't forget that he asked the independent review to be palatable, so it was hardly independent...
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25/11/2020 11:11:00 5 3
bbc
Let's hope Starmer asks Johnson at PMQs today...why he lied by saying the investigation was still in progress when he was sat in it for 6 months...why he asked for it to be watered down...why he lied about Patel not receiving any feedback about her behaviour...why won't he release the full report..why Rutnam was not interviewed,tribunal pending or not . Rutnam will expose what Johnson is hiding.
581
25/11/2020 11:22:38 1 2
bbc
if Priti Patel was labour I bet you would have been at the front screaming racism and sexism.
617
25/11/2020 11:20:08 2 1
bbc
Tough. Until Labour put up a Tory Lite offering you will have to put up with an 80 seat majority. :-)
55
25/11/2020 10:31:17 16 5
bbc
Whatever he does, or doesn't do, he will be criticised by all and sundry.
104
25/11/2020 10:32:47 6 9
bbc
Yes.

It's called democracy. Get over it.
151
25/11/2020 10:41:03 2 1
bbc
That doesn't make sense. If he does what some people want him to do, they aren't going to criticise him. Obviously he can't please everyone but you make it sound like he can't please anyone, which isn't true.
56
25/11/2020 10:31:24 4 10
bbc
To all those irate HYS members engaging in point-scoring, here is what St Paul had to say about you:

"Shun their company. Do not associate with idlers and troublemakers. For they do not work - they simply stir up anger. The man who does not work does not deserve to eat."

(2 Thessalonians)
82
25/11/2020 10:34:52 0 2
bbc
What about 'the Woman'? What did he have to say about them?
138
25/11/2020 10:39:55 0 0
bbc
I don't think St Paul was talking about people debating politics. Not sure why you assume people are "idlers and troublemakers" on here either.
147
25/11/2020 10:40:44 0 0
bbc
"The man who does not work does not deserve to eat"

What was Jesus's job, then?
32
25/11/2020 10:28:34 9 13
bbc
Speaking as somebody in the private sector who hasn't worked since March

Pay freeze public sector including MPs
Cut foreign Aid slush fund
Cut BBC tax
Properly investigate false bounce back loans and recover what money you can
Properly investigate false UC claims
Reform the Civil Service to make them more commercially orientated & less bound up by compliance issues.
57
25/11/2020 10:31:53 6 1
bbc
Or even 10, 20, 30 fold just collect the tax due.
Tax Havens
Allowances
Property
etc.

OOps MP's have a vested interest silly me.
34
25/11/2020 10:28:56 8 7
bbc
Anneliese Dodds "and regional inequality has got worse under their watch"

Remind me again how much better it got under Phony Tony Tory Blair & Brown.
Maybe how you altered the green book equation to help your traditional supporters.
Or building social housing
Reduced need for In work benefits
Reduced Inequality
Reduced Homelessness
Did the opposite of all those things, people in glass houses lol
58
25/11/2020 10:32:14 5 7
bbc
Get real....the Tories have ruined this country in the last 12 years
124
25/11/2020 10:38:19 1 1
bbc
All of the above are true
Phony Tony Tory Blair did the previous 13 years, all the same.
Knighted Phillip Green for services to Tax Evasion
Defended Bankers paying less tax % terms than their cleaners and promptly took a job at JP Morgan
Wanted to Finish what Thatcher started
His Norman Tebbit immigration speech
Built less houses than Thatcher and then became a big Landlord
1996 & 2010 Corruption
59
25/11/2020 10:32:22 1 3
bbc
We are not in a recession and we still have a vibrant economy.

Any stimulation of the economy for the future needs to be geared to generation of added value activities NOT service, banking or tourisms as these are not sustainable as the current climate shows only to well.
60
25/11/2020 10:32:22 6 3
bbc
Sunak has really got his work cut out.

Covid has wreaked havoc on the economy, then come 1st Jan. we make it a lot more difficult and expensive to deal with our biggest trading partner.

Whatever he plans, the UK economy will flat line for years.
107
25/11/2020 10:36:35 1 1
bbc
Covid didn't wreck the economy - lockdowns did.

Hence why Sweden lost half of their economic output of what we did
214
25/11/2020 10:37:54 0 0
bbc
Rees Mogg has already admitted that we'll be worse of for the next 50 years due to Brexit (unless of course you're a tax dodging millionaire)!!
15
OwO
25/11/2020 10:26:31 45 154
bbc
The one determined by an independent body?

Not really suitable for them to interfere with that is it, will just lead to someone manipulating it the other direction in future.
61
25/11/2020 10:32:22 38 2
bbc
If an independent pay body is good enough for MPs perhaps a similar independent body should decide the pay rises for other people too
469
OwO
25/11/2020 11:10:42 2 7
bbc
Stop posting, go and learn how the world works, then come back and try again.
1
25/11/2020 10:22:41 380 16
bbc
The MPs could lead by example for the public pay sector freeze by stopping their significantly above inflation pay rise.
62
25/11/2020 10:32:23 13 1
bbc
That has not happened before and will not happen this time either
419
25/11/2020 11:05:22 5 1
bbc
It already happens in local govt.. or rather, they decide year on year to stop pay rises...
29
25/11/2020 10:28:15 4 9
bbc
Austerity, please - and *proper* austerity like Germany does, not the pretendy-austerity that all the sensitive souls refer to when they talk about ToryAusterity like it is all one word.

We need to balance the books.
63
25/11/2020 10:32:33 3 3
bbc
Yep - I drink to that, Hugh. It's high time that every able bodied person in the UK learned to cut their own cloth and work to earn a living.
127
25/11/2020 10:38:40 0 1
bbc
With unemployment as high as it is, it's not going to be easy for people to find jobs to "work to earn a living". There are alternatives: raise taxes on the super-rich, scrap HS2, reconsider the 16bn boost to defence (do we need a national hacking network?), scrap Trident, close tax avoidance loopholes. However those don't involve making things harder for ordinary people.
270
25/11/2020 10:51:45 0 1
bbc
Except most jobs don't pay a living wage, do they?
64
25/11/2020 10:32:43 4 4
bbc
Hindsight is a wonderful gift.

I see the Unions are bleating as usual with 'anger, outrage' and are threatening a public sector strike because of the pay freeze. I bet there are lots of unemployed and in the queue to lose their jobs who would be only too pleased to have some pay to be frozen!
92
25/11/2020 10:35:28 1 0
bbc
I know the cultists love the word hindsight but that’s not a definition of the word you have written there. That’s called scrutiny
132
25/11/2020 10:39:34 0 0
bbc
Does it not occur to you that in times of private sector difficulty, it is necessary for public sector employees to have money in order to spend it and keep the economy going. If no-one has any expendable income, you're on course for a depression.
197
25/11/2020 10:36:15 0 0
bbc
What's your point, I was a public sector worker and lost my job at the end of October along with quite a few others!!
I'll bet you'd be the first one whingeing if the bins weren't emptied and the streets were piled with rubbish!!
23
25/11/2020 10:27:20 10 10
bbc
By the way the leaders of the devolved governments slag Boris off, I'd give them no money, after all, they want independence.
65
25/11/2020 10:32:49 1 1
bbc
I 'slag him off' too: lazy, incompetent, narcissistic, lier (on a good day). The only possible reason to put up with Johnson is that the alternative could be Gove (horror)!
39
25/11/2020 10:28:14 53 25
bbc
Tax the middle and working classes.

Avoid taxing Amazon and Boots.

Again.

That's Fishi's plan.
66
25/11/2020 10:32:56 39 27
bbc
Don't forget wasting billions on HS2!
171
25/11/2020 10:34:30 1 6
bbc
Good point
67
25/11/2020 10:32:58 149 54
bbc
This is a government that spend £12 billion on a track and trace system that doesn't work, gave billions more in contracts to business owned by people they know that didn't deliver, couldn't find £20 million to feed hungry children, but then suddenly found another £16 billion for increased military spending. Forgive me if I don't have the greatest faith in their upcoming spending plans.
81
25/11/2020 10:34:51 101 20
bbc
Look at the story of the former Stroud, Tory councillor who was awarded a PPE contract. See his pre contract house, and his new abode. It tells you all you need to know.
481
25/11/2020 11:02:42 16 10
bbc
Who are these ‘hungry children?’ When I worked for children removed from their families by the courts, the only children who had been forced to go hungry were those who’s parents/ carers had chosen not to feed them, they all had the money given by the DSS but I state again, the parents/carers chose not to feed them. Please stop perpetuating this myth/lie that the govt leaves children hungry.
Dad
25/11/2020 12:43:54 2 0
bbc
£12 billion on track and trace? are you sure?
Dad
25/11/2020 12:44:55 1 1
bbc
would you have rather the government didn't throw money at the PPE problem and therefore risk actually running out of PPE?
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25/11/2020 10:29:02 6 4
bbc
We've already borrowed more than 4 times the cost of HS2 this year. Cancelling that is a drop in the ocean not plugging the hole.

And tapping the UK property market is nothing short of theft.
68
25/11/2020 10:33:09 2 4
bbc
The UK property market has for decades been kept artificially high by tacit agreement between Government, the banks and the developers.

Intergenerational theft of the grandest scale.
23
25/11/2020 10:27:20 10 10
bbc
By the way the leaders of the devolved governments slag Boris off, I'd give them no money, after all, they want independence.
69
25/11/2020 10:33:13 0 1
bbc
Not all of us. In fact it’s a noisy minority that want independence, just like the brexit lot.
19
25/11/2020 10:26:49 129 160
bbc
It would put tens of thousands of people out of work, thereby increasing benefit payments and cutting income tax and VAT revenue.
70
25/11/2020 10:33:44 52 9
bbc
Plenty of other infrastructure work they could do at lower cost that would benefit far more people than those living in a few big cities
71
25/11/2020 10:33:45 5 2
bbc
I am absolutely staggered that anyone is expecting anything less than massive cuts and tax rises following this year of lockdown. So many have been enjoying lockdown, not realising that a huge number of people wont have jobs to go back to.
14
25/11/2020 10:26:28 60 8
bbc
We have had the equivalent of a World War impact on our economy.

We will have a post war impact on our public finances.

This may be shorter than a conventional post war hit if we manage to regrow the economy rapidly.
72
25/11/2020 10:33:55 15 17
bbc
No chance: Brexit will be far more damaging than Covid with no vaccine to fix it.
9
Fay
25/11/2020 10:25:16 360 75
bbc
If they stopped HS2, that's 100bn right there and also will save the countryside.
73
DG
25/11/2020 10:33:58 45 15
bbc
Public Vote on HS2 is what we need.
Total waste of money that will only benefit a few.......... and the total final cost of around £200bn will NEVER be paid back
25/11/2020 13:22:30 0 0
bbc
"Public Vote on HS2 is what we need."

No. I'm no fan of HS2 or this Govt but people voted for them knowing they would proceed with it.
74
25/11/2020 10:34:01 9 2
bbc
It will be interesting to see what direction he goes in and who gets the kicking to cover the cronyism and special paperless deals.

The free school meal kids and dustmen look set for the kicking
116
25/11/2020 10:37:25 2 2
bbc
Not if a footballer takes control of the country again.
3
25/11/2020 10:24:20 686 54
bbc
Here's how it will be:

People who contribute nothing will continue to contribute nothing, and will not see any of their handouts reduce.

People at the top will either continue to pay far beyond their way, or pay nothing.

People in the middle - you know, normal people who work for a living and support themselves - will pay for everything additional, and see a cut in their living standards.
75
25/11/2020 10:34:03 184 15
bbc
Yep sounds about right
76
25/11/2020 10:34:06 8 3
bbc
No doubt HS2 will still be top priority.
133
25/11/2020 10:39:38 6 0
bbc
Absolutely. And a necessity for the Elite's future plans for the "plebs" of course ...

"Capitol trains travel at an average speed of 250 miles per hour and are often used to transport tributes to the Capitol for the Hunger Games in less then a day."
12
Cam
25/11/2020 10:25:49 17 18
bbc
Damage done by Covid will be insignificant compared to that of brexit, particularly if no-deal goes ahead.
77
25/11/2020 10:34:12 1 6
bbc
You are wrong. Firstly, there probably be a deal. And even if there isn't, after an initial blip, the economy will steadily improve once we are freed from the EU's bureaucratic shackles. We are on the cusp of the roaring 20's.

When we look back in 2030, the consensus view will be that leaving the EU had a massively positive effect on the economy and British society. The EU will look on enviously.
327
25/11/2020 10:56:16 0 1
bbc
"We are on the cusp of the roaring 20's."

Yeah, that ended well in the last century ...
34
25/11/2020 10:28:56 8 7
bbc
Anneliese Dodds "and regional inequality has got worse under their watch"

Remind me again how much better it got under Phony Tony Tory Blair & Brown.
Maybe how you altered the green book equation to help your traditional supporters.
Or building social housing
Reduced need for In work benefits
Reduced Inequality
Reduced Homelessness
Did the opposite of all those things, people in glass houses lol
78
25/11/2020 10:34:16 0 1
bbc
Why listen to the drivel of the upturned mop
79
25/11/2020 10:34:33 5 1
bbc
What did anyone expect?? Governments normally spend more than they receive, which is why every budget quotes the PSBR (public sector borrowing requirement). Due to Covid, just about every country has spent way more than it received in taxes and duties, so we've got to get real and try to balance the books when hopefully we're Covid free, just as almost every other country will be doing.
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25/11/2020 10:36:45 3 0
bbc
"Governments normally spend more than they receive"

makes nonsense of your later statement:

"" so we've got to get real and try to balance the books when hopefully we're Covid free"

We haven't got to. Manageable continuous debt is the standard ay of running a modern economy.
203
25/11/2020 10:45:40 1 0
bbc
And we're the only one about to pile massive Brexit damage on top.
23
25/11/2020 10:27:20 10 10
bbc
By the way the leaders of the devolved governments slag Boris off, I'd give them no money, after all, they want independence.
80
25/11/2020 10:34:48 1 1
bbc
You may be happy with a incompetent clown, many of us are not.
67
25/11/2020 10:32:58 149 54
bbc
This is a government that spend £12 billion on a track and trace system that doesn't work, gave billions more in contracts to business owned by people they know that didn't deliver, couldn't find £20 million to feed hungry children, but then suddenly found another £16 billion for increased military spending. Forgive me if I don't have the greatest faith in their upcoming spending plans.
81
25/11/2020 10:34:51 101 20
bbc
Look at the story of the former Stroud, Tory councillor who was awarded a PPE contract. See his pre contract house, and his new abode. It tells you all you need to know.
25/11/2020 12:17:28 5 2
bbc
Also Baroness Michelle Moan the scruffy spoken Glasgow blonde who makes underwear and is a major Tory donor who's company just 3 weeks ago received a contract for £120 million for making PPE which her firm has never made before and does not have the machinery to make it !
56
25/11/2020 10:31:24 4 10
bbc
To all those irate HYS members engaging in point-scoring, here is what St Paul had to say about you:

"Shun their company. Do not associate with idlers and troublemakers. For they do not work - they simply stir up anger. The man who does not work does not deserve to eat."

(2 Thessalonians)
82
25/11/2020 10:34:52 0 2
bbc
What about 'the Woman'? What did he have to say about them?
36
25/11/2020 10:29:12 104 50
bbc
"And the SNP is calling for a huge stimulus package to support growth and jobs across the whole of the UK"

Do the snp want to be part of the UK or not?!

*NOTE* the majority of Scots hate the snp and want rid of them.
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FF
25/11/2020 10:34:53 57 81
bbc
*NOTE* You haven't, nor don't and never will speak for the majority of Scots. They actually have a majority in Scotland you spoon.
395
25/11/2020 11:03:13 7 6
bbc
What about the thousands of Scots who have escaped the SNP and have moved to England - or anywhere else.
Do they support SNP?
523
25/11/2020 11:08:58 2 3
bbc
And the Conservatives have a massive 80 seat majority in the UK. But the majority of the electorate didn't vote for them. So no, the majority of Scots do not support the SNP.
25/11/2020 12:17:58 2 0
bbc
They have a majority in Scotland of MPs but 45% who voted in the 2019 election voted SNP, so the majority of Scots who voted (55%) did not vote for the SNP is accurate. I do not deny that they have the majority of MPs , SMPs.
25/11/2020 13:09:53 0 1
bbc
SNP got 45%
Con 25%
LAB 18%
LIBS 7%
GREENS 1%
UKIP 1%
So I think you will find if you add the others together the majority do hate them
25/11/2020 13:40:48 0 0
bbc
How does the SNP think that they can survive as a separate country without the handouts which they keep demanding?
I say, BBC ... why no HYS on your leading news item on Ms Markle ?????????????? Removed
Ha ha ha! Because deep down, no one gives a cr*p about her ?? Removed
6
25/11/2020 10:24:53 201 22
bbc
Perhaps it's time to tax big tech that has benefited from the pandemic
Many HYS users are fans of tax avoiding big tech corporations. In a recent HYS, Netflix and Amazon were being championed on here.
Last year, the Californian based Netflix received £1.1b in revenue from UK subscribers, and paid £0 in UK taxes.
Would Netflix fans be happy to pay more, if it meant the corporation paid UK taxes?
313
25/11/2020 10:52:14 10 5
bbc
I bet if you told all the people moaning about big tech to stop using Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, Netflix etc., they would tell you where to get off. Those that use the services enable the system. So make that sacrifice, or keep quiet.
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mdb
25/11/2020 11:48:11 1 2
bbc
The price consumers will accept is determined by the customer regardless of whether the company pays tax. The govt is quick to hit the average working person or small business. but not big business - or should they be called party donors?
If they wont pay corporation tax hit them with an additional sales tax& Netflix, amazon et-al are not essential services & others will take their place
870
25/11/2020 11:52:58 1 0
bbc
A bit disingenuous saying they paid £0 in UK taxes. The government still collect 20% VAT for every subscription payment made.
968
25/11/2020 12:04:17 3 1
bbc
"Last year, the Californian based Netflix received £1.1b in revenue from UK subscribers, and paid £0 in UK taxes."

Apart from the 20% VAT or £220M
25/11/2020 13:36:19 1 0
bbc
"Last year, the Californian based Netflix received £1.1b in revenue from UK subscribers, and paid £0 in UK taxes."

Corporate tax is on profit, not revenues. And Netflix is entirely in control of now much profit they make in each market.
86
25/11/2020 10:35:09 1 1
bbc
Boris will sort it, he has formed a Square..
87
25/11/2020 10:35:11 9 5
bbc
How about a saving plan and not a spending plan. First we can end Child Benefit the world is turning into an overpopulated slum, second cancel HS2 and finally third end foreign aid !
375
25/11/2020 11:01:16 0 1
bbc
SRP
25/11/2020 13:27:30 0 0
bbc
Child Benefit causes pregnancy, and all babies are born because of a careful calculation of cost / benefits in monetary terms alone. There are no other factors at all, notwithstanding the well document fact that wealth reduces birthrate.

How much Child Benefit is there in Ethipia? Sudan? Brazil? India? China? Mongolia? Malaysia?

Are you the ghost of Ebenezer Scrooge or Revd Thomas Malthus?
88
25/11/2020 10:35:15 10 6
bbc
Cancel HS2, Heathrow upgrade, Civil Service and local government pay rise, cease 0.7% overseas aid budget, remove 50% of Quangos (especially those connected with the NHS) and remove Barnett Formula. Tax Amazon, Google and all online sales. Make local government and the Civil Service more commercially minded. That would make a good start.
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25/11/2020 10:38:16 5 1
bbc
"That would make a good start.".... to start causing economic chaos!??

Why do so many ideas on here, seem hell bent seeking revenge against the public sector???
11
25/11/2020 10:25:04 173 25
bbc
Sunak's plan is to avoid the elephant in the room : corporate tax evasion.

The other elephant is the banks still owing us billions, from the 2008 bailout.
89
25/11/2020 10:35:19 18 14
bbc
You forgot Brexit - by far the biggest elephant of all.
50
25/11/2020 10:30:42 9 8
bbc
The unavoidable truth is:
- far too many people are net takers (over half of working people) and therefore effectively contribute nothing.
- Corporations and self employed (3m+) pay far less tax than they should through legal tax avoidance schemes
- UK doesnt produce very much, we are massive consumers
- The rich have never paid so much tax to prop up the economy
- Brexit will ruin us
90
25/11/2020 10:35:21 1 1
bbc
Surely the working people you speak of do contribute though. They are working. no one is prepared to pay someone to do nothing or produce nothing. I work 40 hours a week, pay my taxes etc. At what point do I turn into someone who contributes nothing? You may be a Daily Mail reader and have it in for civil servants but take them away and a lot of services go with them.
256
25/11/2020 10:41:39 0 2
bbc
No one in the public sector is a net tax contributor and most do nothing of any value.
91
25/11/2020 10:35:27 9 5
bbc
The virus hasn't dampened Kuenssberg's sarcasm then.
64
25/11/2020 10:32:43 4 4
bbc
Hindsight is a wonderful gift.

I see the Unions are bleating as usual with 'anger, outrage' and are threatening a public sector strike because of the pay freeze. I bet there are lots of unemployed and in the queue to lose their jobs who would be only too pleased to have some pay to be frozen!
92
25/11/2020 10:35:28 1 0
bbc
I know the cultists love the word hindsight but that’s not a definition of the word you have written there. That’s called scrutiny
93
25/11/2020 10:35:29 5 2
bbc
If someone else says scrapping HS2 will help plug the gap I'll scream! It does need much tighter project management controls in place but it is designed to help alleviate the capacity problems on local networks and will create many jobs and attract private investment in areas adjacent to the main terminals. A good idea poorly implemented does not make it a bad idea.
94
25/11/2020 10:35:36 2 1
bbc
Tax rises and cuts to public services to pay for lockdowns

If you wanted lockdowns, don't complain!

We told you the problems they would cause, the poverty and destruction they would create and we were shouted down being told 90 year old ethels last 6 months are worth more than you being able to pay the mortgage

So suck it up if you embraced lockdown as a good idea, here comes the bill.
188
25/11/2020 10:43:44 0 0
bbc
But Brexit will be MUCH more damaging - and won't end.
229
25/11/2020 10:47:43 0 0
bbc
The 'Covis budget' is a ready made smokescreen for the Brexit mess about to hit. Looks like it's working so far!
254
25/11/2020 10:50:15 0 0
bbc
Brexit is the real financial threat without an end but Johnson and his cronies can blame it all on Covid. Cummings wrote the script months ago. The 52% will just suck it up as long as The Express is still on side (The Mail baled out a few months back)!
32
25/11/2020 10:28:34 9 13
bbc
Speaking as somebody in the private sector who hasn't worked since March

Pay freeze public sector including MPs
Cut foreign Aid slush fund
Cut BBC tax
Properly investigate false bounce back loans and recover what money you can
Properly investigate false UC claims
Reform the Civil Service to make them more commercially orientated & less bound up by compliance issues.
95
25/11/2020 10:35:43 0 1
bbc
So no real economic stimulus then & certainly nothing that will help you in the private sector! Goid plan!??
96
25/11/2020 10:35:43 7 1
bbc
The UK needs to invest more in R&D. Currently it's 1.7% of GDP compared to 3.13% in Germany. We desperately need to support British science and this will consequently attract investment.
199
25/11/2020 10:45:27 1 0
bbc
The problem is we invent new technology and then it gets built better and cheaper somewhere else

See LED tech as an example, invented here and nearly all economic benefits made in China!
880
25/11/2020 11:53:35 0 0
bbc
You've just cut yourself off from the biggest research community on your doorstep and decided to rank yourself among third countries in the single market.... no real reason to invest in the UK then.
53
25/11/2020 10:31:07 14 11
bbc
Physical Prudence once a Tory Buzzword.....

Check out the debt run up by this lot since 2010/2020

Strong and Stable...…...
97
25/11/2020 10:35:47 4 4
bbc
One thing the Tories have learn`t, austerity didn`t work. If they had known world interest rates was going to stay low they could have invested more money than they did. Now it`s catch up time....
511
25/11/2020 11:14:38 1 1
bbc
Who knows what will happen to interest rates, my guess they will stay low for many years. BoE may be some help on that one, but then again ??
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SJN
25/11/2020 10:35:51 121 10
bbc
As a public sector worker who has tirelessly worked on Covid since the start, I will take the pay freeze on the chin, we have been protected from furlough, I won’t begrudge the NHS as they have been underfunded for ever, I feel for teachers/emergency services but MPs need to bite the bullet and fall in line, after all ‘we are all in this together’
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25/11/2020 10:38:29 31 8
bbc
As inflation will probably stay low, pay cuts in real terms won`t be much
25/11/2020 12:10:22 9 2
bbc
I feel very mixed views on this. The hospital staff, police, teachers and other workers who continued to work hard during the lockdown are very much deserving of a pay rise.

Whereas a significant proportion of the civil service, who seem to have been given a fully paid 6 month+ extended holiday, deserve nothing.
25/11/2020 12:14:41 7 1
bbc
Thank you. As a private sector essential worker who has worked throughout covid too, I will also take my company's pay freeze on the chin. We ARE all in this together and the ones we should be worrying about are those who have lost their jobs.
25/11/2020 12:27:44 1 0
bbc
Same, I'm grateful to have a stable job at the moment on a salary where I don't need to worry about the essentials, so will be content to put up with a pay freeze for 1-2 years. This is provided it goes towards helping those who need it and creating jobs elsewhere.
36
25/11/2020 10:29:12 104 50
bbc
"And the SNP is calling for a huge stimulus package to support growth and jobs across the whole of the UK"

Do the snp want to be part of the UK or not?!

*NOTE* the majority of Scots hate the snp and want rid of them.
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25/11/2020 10:35:51 9 15
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Ah the trolls are in
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25/11/2020 11:09:23 2 4
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Yep. Always a few pro SNP trolls about. :-)
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25/11/2020 10:28:34 9 13
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Speaking as somebody in the private sector who hasn't worked since March

Pay freeze public sector including MPs
Cut foreign Aid slush fund
Cut BBC tax
Properly investigate false bounce back loans and recover what money you can
Properly investigate false UC claims
Reform the Civil Service to make them more commercially orientated & less bound up by compliance issues.
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25/11/2020 10:30:08 1 1
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No job ? Get on your bike and look for work.

That's what a Tory would say.