UK car industry warns of £55bn no-deal Brexit hit
24/11/2020 | news | other | 441
Big losses will be seen in the next five years if the UK fails to strike a deal with the EU, the sector warns.
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24/11/2020 16:13:01 128 39
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Pity no one told the brexit voters this before the vote ....Oh wait they did
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24/11/2020 17:53:52 23 65
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They did but they clouded the argument wit( all the scare stuff. I think people who voted leave accept that there will be changes. But a price worth paying.
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24/11/2020 19:26:30 9 3
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The plant owners could have done more to warn their workers, as could other businesses.

It's too late now.
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25/11/2020 06:17:31 0 11
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The car industry world wide is have big problems and have had them before the brexit.Over production This is just bbc propaganda.
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25/11/2020 08:59:02 1 4
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We are not surprised the SMMT is squealing as many of its UK vehicle manufacturing members have French or German ownership by likes of Renault, Peugeot Citroen, BMW, VW, Mercedez.
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25/11/2020 09:29:16 0 0
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And how did Brexit affect the ban on petrol/diesel cars by 2030? It did not!
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24/11/2020 16:16:25 20 8
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tell them all to close as we have trade deals with the canadians,kenyans and japanese as well as australia and others,surely their are plenty out there wishing to set up in the uk and stop us being reliant on europe,rather be reliant on the rest of the world,im especially keen to know what models they will bring,will it be elephants or rickshaws,whose replacing europe can the tories tell us that/
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Pip
24/11/2020 16:49:01 19 3
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The Tories can tell you anything, unlikely there'll be any truth in it mind.......?
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24/11/2020 20:08:42 0 1
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This is a racist post, are you saying China and India are backward countries.
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24/11/2020 16:22:57 74 26
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All the EXPERT brexiteers,claiming full knowledge of what they were voting for,voted for it.
What a load of muppets.It would be funny if it wasn`t so disasterous.
Good pub quiz question....'Which group has a lower IQ? The Brexiteers or the 72 million Yanks who voted to give Trump a second term!!! Removed
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BOF
24/11/2020 16:42:43 17 2
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It is interesting that those voting for Brexit never believed the lies told by Gove, Fox, Farage et al and voted knowing that Brexit would be damaging economically. Makes one wonder why Gove &co told all those lies in the first place.
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24/11/2020 16:25:35 5 14
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Iirc Brexit wasnt about jobs and anyway it was all project fear by the remoaners.
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Pip
24/11/2020 16:44:28 7 1
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Becoming a reality, isn't our fault my friend........?
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24/11/2020 17:09:55 2 0
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No - it was all about racism and xenophobia
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24/11/2020 16:25:46 8 26
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Someone stirring the **it again,we "Brits "can look after ourselves and do not require the EUs dictatorship with all its unnecessary rules and regulations .
Everything will be just fine,except for those who wish otherwise
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24/11/2020 16:28:30 31 5
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Please explain why the EU is a dictatorship, without resorting to UKIP-fed lies or Daily Express hysteria. Sensible answers only please. Otherwise it's a D Minus for you.
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24/11/2020 16:42:39 13 0
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The UK voted all of them rules in as we held a veto so could block almost anything - which always made a mockery of UKIP's threat of turkey joining the EU
Quite a lot of the rules we instgated too
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Pip
24/11/2020 16:51:22 5 0
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Did you just make all that up on your own, well I never.........?
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24/11/2020 16:26:17 42 11
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Britain has agreed to roll over its trade deal with Canada to continue to be under EU rules. Bojo said it was a "fantastic" deal.

Expect other deals to be made along the same lines. Bojo can then come up with some hyperbole for the right-wing press to swallow and we can continue quietly under EU rules.
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24/11/2020 19:57:44 14 1
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that would be the best possible scenario from this debacle (but unlikely). If we get an EU Brixit deal make sure you read the small print - this government will most likely shaft us big time (again) but get good soundbites
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25/11/2020 03:10:11 2 0
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All our shiny new trade deals so far are 'continuity' agreements. The EU deals we already enjoy (minus a few quotas and the like) are temporarily extended.
So more of the same.
But 'the same' won't result in any increase in trade.
So how are we to compensate for the lost trade with the EU 27 (and the 20 odd countries who have not agreed at a continuity deal)?
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24/11/2020 16:28:06 40 10
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No exporting businesses will be able to absorb the 10-20% Brexit Tax
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24/11/2020 16:25:46 8 26
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Someone stirring the **it again,we "Brits "can look after ourselves and do not require the EUs dictatorship with all its unnecessary rules and regulations .
Everything will be just fine,except for those who wish otherwise
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24/11/2020 16:28:30 31 5
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Please explain why the EU is a dictatorship, without resorting to UKIP-fed lies or Daily Express hysteria. Sensible answers only please. Otherwise it's a D Minus for you.
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24/11/2020 16:39:55 15 0
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I think you'll be waiting a while for a sensible answer to that, unfortunately...
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24/11/2020 18:24:44 2 0
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You are too kind Sir. F seems more apropriate
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24/11/2020 16:30:56 5 7
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People forget that Japan did a trade deal with the EU, signed last year.

The first thing Japan did is start pressuring their global companies Honda, Nissan etc to start moving the work back to Japan. Not blaming them as when your own people are struggling to find work you need to do something.

So the "complaints" that the BBC have found is more to do with the trade pack with the EU not Brexit
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BOF
24/11/2020 16:37:38 5 0
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The U.K. Japan deal is pretty close to identical to the one between the EU and Japan is it not so the same pressures will apply to Nissan and Honda.
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24/11/2020 16:44:43 3 0
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So if Brexit causes job losses in the UK Car Industry it's the Japanese and the EU's fault?

Excellent blame shifting.

Has it occurred to you that it was precisely because the UK had a number of Japanese car plants that the EU had previously refused to sign such a deal which would have been good for other EU members?

The UK leaving allowed the deal to be signed.
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24/11/2020 16:32:55 9 9
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notice that the 23 trade groups across Europe wrote to the govt to make a deal - no mention did they write to the eu as well ?
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24/11/2020 16:38:42 33 6
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It was the UK's decision to leave and Brexiteers promised a better deal. So now they need to take some responsibility for their actions and deliver.
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24/11/2020 16:34:37 5 8
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"Fayk noos" obvs.
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24/11/2020 17:08:41 3 0
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yeah - I bet you love Trump as well,
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24/11/2020 16:30:56 5 7
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People forget that Japan did a trade deal with the EU, signed last year.

The first thing Japan did is start pressuring their global companies Honda, Nissan etc to start moving the work back to Japan. Not blaming them as when your own people are struggling to find work you need to do something.

So the "complaints" that the BBC have found is more to do with the trade pack with the EU not Brexit
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BOF
24/11/2020 16:37:38 5 0
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The U.K. Japan deal is pretty close to identical to the one between the EU and Japan is it not so the same pressures will apply to Nissan and Honda.
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24/11/2020 16:32:55 9 9
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notice that the 23 trade groups across Europe wrote to the govt to make a deal - no mention did they write to the eu as well ?
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24/11/2020 16:38:42 33 6
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It was the UK's decision to leave and Brexiteers promised a better deal. So now they need to take some responsibility for their actions and deliver.
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24/11/2020 16:28:30 31 5
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Please explain why the EU is a dictatorship, without resorting to UKIP-fed lies or Daily Express hysteria. Sensible answers only please. Otherwise it's a D Minus for you.
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24/11/2020 16:39:55 15 0
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I think you'll be waiting a while for a sensible answer to that, unfortunately...
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24/11/2020 16:22:57 74 26
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All the EXPERT brexiteers,claiming full knowledge of what they were voting for,voted for it.
What a load of muppets.It would be funny if it wasn`t so disasterous.
Good pub quiz question....'Which group has a lower IQ? The Brexiteers or the 72 million Yanks who voted to give Trump a second term!!! Removed
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24/11/2020 16:42:19 6 21
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Here we go ahead. Another Brexit scare story that the BBC picks up and decide to put out for comments. We import more cars than we export so with the extra tax the government can just subsidise the car industry for the extra tariff. Nothing to see here, move on.
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24/11/2020 16:48:31 16 2
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Oh I'm glad all those extra tariffs won't increase the price of cars in the showrooms then, even if we don't lose a load of UK manufacturing jobs, inflation still hits our recovery just when we need to start paying for Covid.

The Car Industry says this is a bad idea for the Car Industry why are you more qualified than them to say it's fine?
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24/11/2020 20:25:27 0 0
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Do you realise how stupid this is. We use the import tariffs paid by the uk customers to subsidise the importers the cost of the import tariffs to keep the prices down.

How does this work as noone would be paying it. The importer would pay it then get it straight back again in subsidies.
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24/11/2020 16:25:46 8 26
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Someone stirring the **it again,we "Brits "can look after ourselves and do not require the EUs dictatorship with all its unnecessary rules and regulations .
Everything will be just fine,except for those who wish otherwise
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24/11/2020 16:42:39 13 0
bbc
The UK voted all of them rules in as we held a veto so could block almost anything - which always made a mockery of UKIP's threat of turkey joining the EU
Quite a lot of the rules we instgated too
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24/11/2020 16:22:57 74 26
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All the EXPERT brexiteers,claiming full knowledge of what they were voting for,voted for it.
What a load of muppets.It would be funny if it wasn`t so disasterous.
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BOF
24/11/2020 16:42:43 17 2
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It is interesting that those voting for Brexit never believed the lies told by Gove, Fox, Farage et al and voted knowing that Brexit would be damaging economically. Makes one wonder why Gove &co told all those lies in the first place.
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LG
24/11/2020 20:57:20 4 0
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Because they will make money out of it of course!
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24/11/2020 16:25:35 5 14
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Iirc Brexit wasnt about jobs and anyway it was all project fear by the remoaners.
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Pip
24/11/2020 16:44:28 7 1
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Becoming a reality, isn't our fault my friend........?
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24/11/2020 16:30:56 5 7
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People forget that Japan did a trade deal with the EU, signed last year.

The first thing Japan did is start pressuring their global companies Honda, Nissan etc to start moving the work back to Japan. Not blaming them as when your own people are struggling to find work you need to do something.

So the "complaints" that the BBC have found is more to do with the trade pack with the EU not Brexit
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24/11/2020 16:44:43 3 0
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So if Brexit causes job losses in the UK Car Industry it's the Japanese and the EU's fault?

Excellent blame shifting.

Has it occurred to you that it was precisely because the UK had a number of Japanese car plants that the EU had previously refused to sign such a deal which would have been good for other EU members?

The UK leaving allowed the deal to be signed.
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24/11/2020 16:48:04 11 3
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Problem is that like all Brexit arguments bring two distinctly diametrically opposed views into contention - that of sovereignty and finance. Neither argument will sway the other. The only way this gets sorted is a deal, a fair deal and one that recognises both aspects. Is that even possible ... we'll find out in a few days
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24/11/2020 18:41:12 4 0
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A deal sorts nothing, Brexiteers wil continue to claim everything perceved as being negative following a deal is the fault of Remainers who prevented a Hard Brexit.

I don't wish it, but the only way you will ever stop the Brexeteer whine is a Hard Brexit where they own their choice.
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24/11/2020 19:58:47 0 0
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Kurseong, at last a reasoned comment....totally agree, the majority of people are centre either right or left, but it seems only extremes get the headlines. I suppose that those of us who remember pre EEC can only dispair at the hatred in our nation. I can now understand how the German people could be led to believe a religious group could be rationally massacred... Frightening.
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24/11/2020 16:42:19 6 21
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Here we go ahead. Another Brexit scare story that the BBC picks up and decide to put out for comments. We import more cars than we export so with the extra tax the government can just subsidise the car industry for the extra tariff. Nothing to see here, move on.
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24/11/2020 16:48:31 16 2
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Oh I'm glad all those extra tariffs won't increase the price of cars in the showrooms then, even if we don't lose a load of UK manufacturing jobs, inflation still hits our recovery just when we need to start paying for Covid.

The Car Industry says this is a bad idea for the Car Industry why are you more qualified than them to say it's fine?
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24/11/2020 16:16:25 20 8
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tell them all to close as we have trade deals with the canadians,kenyans and japanese as well as australia and others,surely their are plenty out there wishing to set up in the uk and stop us being reliant on europe,rather be reliant on the rest of the world,im especially keen to know what models they will bring,will it be elephants or rickshaws,whose replacing europe can the tories tell us that/
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Pip
24/11/2020 16:49:01 19 3
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The Tories can tell you anything, unlikely there'll be any truth in it mind.......?
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24/11/2020 16:25:46 8 26
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Someone stirring the **it again,we "Brits "can look after ourselves and do not require the EUs dictatorship with all its unnecessary rules and regulations .
Everything will be just fine,except for those who wish otherwise
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Pip
24/11/2020 16:51:22 5 0
bbc
Did you just make all that up on your own, well I never.........?
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24/11/2020 16:52:33 50 11
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It's not just the motor industry that will suffer, there are many other businesses that will find the frictionless trade that they enjoyed whilst being in the EU is gone ... my business, supplying the NHS, is one of them. This government have had four and a half years to sort it, but the brexiter pals and donors to the Tory Party didn't want that. They want to line their pockets with a no-deal
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24/11/2020 18:58:43 2 11
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So you silly the NHS? So why will Brexit affect your sales?
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24/11/2020 16:52:43 6 17
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We buy £100 billion more stuff than we sell the EU so any two way tarrif as a result of no deal will work in the UK's favour. What the Government decides to do with this extra money - who knows. It may subsidise the car industry. This BBC story has the wrong slant - as usual
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24/11/2020 16:55:51 7 2
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If we buy in £100 billion more than we sell a tariff will be to the UKs detriment??
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24/11/2020 16:56:09 6 1
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OMG, you still don't get it. It's the percentage of GDP, not absolute value, which counts.

But then simple economics was always beyond the Brexit lobby.

Cost of Brexit to date: £600m / week.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-goldmansachs/brexit-uncertainty-has-cost-britain-600-million-a-week-goldman-sachs-idUKKCN1RD1T8
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24/11/2020 16:58:16 2 0
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Yes, the govt. would have more money - which comes out of the consumers' pockets as it's they who'll foot the bill for the cost of tariffs. More tax in other words.
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24/11/2020 16:59:53 8 0
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It can't subsidise the car industry - WTO rules, not to mention the trade your idiot government signed with Japan. No one will want to buy anything with a tariff on so you won't get the money or the stuff.

Enjoy your Robin Reliant and your turnips.
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24/11/2020 16:55:13 1 6
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Truth of the matter is that the Govt WANT new cars to be much more expensive, whether by tariff or by insisting on electrical motive force. That's what happens when greenwash gets in your eyes.
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24/11/2020 17:19:41 2 0
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I'm not seeing this. Electrification and Hydrogen is a huge money spinner. it's a chance to re-invigorate some semi-competitive businesss from my limited reading and research in relevant automotive and industry press.
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24/11/2020 16:52:43 6 17
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We buy £100 billion more stuff than we sell the EU so any two way tarrif as a result of no deal will work in the UK's favour. What the Government decides to do with this extra money - who knows. It may subsidise the car industry. This BBC story has the wrong slant - as usual
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24/11/2020 16:55:51 7 2
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If we buy in £100 billion more than we sell a tariff will be to the UKs detriment??
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24/11/2020 17:18:46 2 0
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---er. We do already? How can it be MORE to our detriment to keep doing it when the govt. get the import duty? Do keep up.
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24/11/2020 16:52:43 6 17
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We buy £100 billion more stuff than we sell the EU so any two way tarrif as a result of no deal will work in the UK's favour. What the Government decides to do with this extra money - who knows. It may subsidise the car industry. This BBC story has the wrong slant - as usual
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24/11/2020 16:56:09 6 1
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OMG, you still don't get it. It's the percentage of GDP, not absolute value, which counts.

But then simple economics was always beyond the Brexit lobby.

Cost of Brexit to date: £600m / week.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-goldmansachs/brexit-uncertainty-has-cost-britain-600-million-a-week-goldman-sachs-idUKKCN1RD1T8
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24/11/2020 16:57:00 40 11
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All you Brexiteers out there must be rejoicing as Brexit starts to bite - which is what you wont be doing as food shortages start!
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24/11/2020 19:49:56 2 19
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Were you around in 1970?....Food prices almost doubled as the UK joined the EEC. The protectionism was huge.....I am sure there will be enough food.
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24/11/2020 20:02:43 5 0
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Just look at the huge lines of cars all over the USA waiting in line for food for Thanksgiving. BoJo's pal Donald 'hole in one' Trump has destroyed the US (Along with Moscow Mitch). $100,000 for a COVID Test. That is not fake news. $1M for a stay in hospital. That's what BoJo and cronies want here.
BREXIT will become known as our greatest ever footgun moment.
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24/11/2020 16:57:39 4 15
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I Recently tried to purchase a new Scania truck, the seller said there could a 10% price increase due to Brexit. So I left the dealership and bought one from Leyland instead with no risk of price increase.
Tariffs will help guide the consumer back to British
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24/11/2020 17:00:36 11 2
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Yeah right.
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24/11/2020 17:04:12 4 1
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But if you had wanted an imported one in the first place you've ended up worse off because you have an worse model. You haven't been guided back to a British model, you've been forced to take a second-best option.
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24/11/2020 17:04:55 2 1
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I remember the so called 'cars' of British Leyland - piles of rusty rubbish - get real!
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24/11/2020 17:08:26 4 1
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There is no "British" owned car manufacturer - ignoring McLarens. Non-British companies are already moving out of the UK. E.g. Jaguar chose to build the new Defender in Slovakia.

Maybe the UK can fire up the old Allegro production line...
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SP
24/11/2020 17:10:31 7 1
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Leyland trucks are basically DAF. They rely on imported components which will be subject to tariffs in a no deal Brexit. So their prices will go up, too.
I am guessing you voted Brexit? You haven't thought this though, have you?
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24/11/2020 17:12:51 5 1
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Pity Leyland is wholly American owned
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24/11/2020 17:16:57 4 1
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Lks like the Tractor units are DAF (dutch) built under licence and owned by Paccar which is a US company. So the right choice as it brings assembly jobs to the UK - but I put money on the supply chain being deeply embedded in Europe and the USA - ZF, Cummins, Allison . Buy the truck quickly ! It's complex-
https://www.leylandtrucksltd.co.uk/en-gb/trucks and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAF_Trucks
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24/11/2020 16:52:43 6 17
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We buy £100 billion more stuff than we sell the EU so any two way tarrif as a result of no deal will work in the UK's favour. What the Government decides to do with this extra money - who knows. It may subsidise the car industry. This BBC story has the wrong slant - as usual
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24/11/2020 16:58:16 2 0
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Yes, the govt. would have more money - which comes out of the consumers' pockets as it's they who'll foot the bill for the cost of tariffs. More tax in other words.
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24/11/2020 16:52:43 6 17
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We buy £100 billion more stuff than we sell the EU so any two way tarrif as a result of no deal will work in the UK's favour. What the Government decides to do with this extra money - who knows. It may subsidise the car industry. This BBC story has the wrong slant - as usual
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24/11/2020 16:59:53 8 0
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It can't subsidise the car industry - WTO rules, not to mention the trade your idiot government signed with Japan. No one will want to buy anything with a tariff on so you won't get the money or the stuff.

Enjoy your Robin Reliant and your turnips.
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24/11/2020 16:57:39 4 15
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I Recently tried to purchase a new Scania truck, the seller said there could a 10% price increase due to Brexit. So I left the dealership and bought one from Leyland instead with no risk of price increase.
Tariffs will help guide the consumer back to British
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24/11/2020 17:00:36 11 2
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Yeah right.
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24/11/2020 17:01:33 76 20
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£55 billion? That's roughly three years of contributions to the EU. Still think it's worth it?

And Project Fear? No, it's Project Nightmare and it's all coming true.
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25/11/2020 10:56:15 8 1
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7 years. The net cost is around £8 billion per year. But that membership contributes at least 10 times that to the economy.
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24/11/2020 17:02:05 5 23
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BBC still desperately trying to find some bad news somewhere regarding Brexit. So far they were wrong on recession,wrong on mass unemployment,wrong on house price collapse,wrong on city job losses,wrong on inward investment and frankly,wrong on every crisis Brexit thread they have come up with. Nothing different here.An apolgy would be nice.
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24/11/2020 17:07:35 12 2
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We haven't left yet. By the way, doesn't 750,000 extra people on the dole with many more to come not count as mass unemployment in your eyes? Does one of the worst recessions in Europe not count? Inward net investment is virtually non-existent and house prices are being propped up by stamp duty cuts and QE.

YOU apologise!
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24/11/2020 17:09:14 5 0
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Well Speccy, I can tell you that so far two trillion of bank assets have moved from London to Europe. That's £2,000,000,000,000. It represents about 1/7th of all banking assets. Those assets support jobs and create income.
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24/11/2020 16:57:39 4 15
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I Recently tried to purchase a new Scania truck, the seller said there could a 10% price increase due to Brexit. So I left the dealership and bought one from Leyland instead with no risk of price increase.
Tariffs will help guide the consumer back to British
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24/11/2020 17:04:12 4 1
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But if you had wanted an imported one in the first place you've ended up worse off because you have an worse model. You haven't been guided back to a British model, you've been forced to take a second-best option.
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24/11/2020 16:57:39 4 15
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I Recently tried to purchase a new Scania truck, the seller said there could a 10% price increase due to Brexit. So I left the dealership and bought one from Leyland instead with no risk of price increase.
Tariffs will help guide the consumer back to British
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24/11/2020 17:04:55 2 1
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I remember the so called 'cars' of British Leyland - piles of rusty rubbish - get real!
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24/11/2020 17:05:42 58 13
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The car industry would not survive these losses.

Those that voted Brexit will have to own the consequences.
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25/11/2020 00:06:22 16 3
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Brexit voters will blame black people and Jews for all the negative consequences of brexit. The UK is becoming an awful evil place.
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25/11/2020 14:33:32 0 0
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Don't worry. The rich will be able to buy all the imported electric vehicles that Boris wants us to have.
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24/11/2020 17:05:52 83 15
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Lots of lovely Brexit P45s on their way to the Leave voters of Sunderland - still they can go and pick the cabbages in Lincs. LOL
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24/11/2020 17:08:32 57 10
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I don't think they have the skills.
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24/11/2020 17:35:45 1 21
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That will be at Nissan will it ? The Company that announced a £400 MILLION investment in the Sunderland plant earlier this year. As for P45's Renault,Peugeot and Citroen have already made 35,000 redundant in France,so much for the EU guarantee of jobs.
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24/11/2020 19:30:43 8 1
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The Leave voters of the industrial north might have tipped it over the line, but the bulk of the seventeen million, like the Tory vote, are in the densely-populated south east.

They should take the proportionate share of the blame for this wreckage.
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24/11/2020 19:45:48 1 9
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Why are you so nast ?.
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24/11/2020 17:06:44 73 13
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surprise surprise. This is getting tedious for Brexiters and Remainers alike. We found out exactly what the consequences of the madness that is Brexit wold be, straight after the vote .Any reasonable observation, prior to that, was dismissed as Project Fear.
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24/11/2020 17:54:51 14 43
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Project fear was real. And went right to the top. People didn’t buy it so get over it.
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24/11/2020 17:07:09 5 5
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A no deal Brexit destroying the car industry
Covid destroying air travel tourism

Finally, our planet is beginning to breathe oxygen again
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24/11/2020 19:03:53 0 0
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...a no deal Brexit destroying the UK car industry
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24/11/2020 17:02:05 5 23
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BBC still desperately trying to find some bad news somewhere regarding Brexit. So far they were wrong on recession,wrong on mass unemployment,wrong on house price collapse,wrong on city job losses,wrong on inward investment and frankly,wrong on every crisis Brexit thread they have come up with. Nothing different here.An apolgy would be nice.
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24/11/2020 17:07:35 12 2
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We haven't left yet. By the way, doesn't 750,000 extra people on the dole with many more to come not count as mass unemployment in your eyes? Does one of the worst recessions in Europe not count? Inward net investment is virtually non-existent and house prices are being propped up by stamp duty cuts and QE.

YOU apologise!
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24/11/2020 17:15:15 1 3
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Do try and differentiate between Brexit and the virus. As you are factually ignorant,I assume you are a BBC journalist. Employment was at record levels pre virus,the virus recession is in line with europe,America etc,house prices at record levels and the UK attracts more inward investment than France,Italy,Spain and Portugal combined.
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24/11/2020 17:33:55 2 0
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well said
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24/11/2020 16:57:39 4 15
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I Recently tried to purchase a new Scania truck, the seller said there could a 10% price increase due to Brexit. So I left the dealership and bought one from Leyland instead with no risk of price increase.
Tariffs will help guide the consumer back to British
44
24/11/2020 17:08:26 4 1
bbc
There is no "British" owned car manufacturer - ignoring McLarens. Non-British companies are already moving out of the UK. E.g. Jaguar chose to build the new Defender in Slovakia.

Maybe the UK can fire up the old Allegro production line...
40
24/11/2020 17:05:52 83 15
bbc
Lots of lovely Brexit P45s on their way to the Leave voters of Sunderland - still they can go and pick the cabbages in Lincs. LOL
45
24/11/2020 17:08:32 57 10
bbc
I don't think they have the skills.
281
24/11/2020 21:30:52 2 13
bbc
What a petty, snide comment to make. Bet you are one of those tolerant progressive cry bullies, truly pathetic and that goes to the others who have up voted the comment. Would suggest you seak some form of help.
11
24/11/2020 16:34:37 5 8
bbc
"Fayk noos" obvs.
46
24/11/2020 17:08:41 3 0
bbc
yeah - I bet you love Trump as well,
149
24/11/2020 18:41:15 0 0
bbc
It was sarcasm!
47
24/11/2020 17:08:55 2 14
bbc
We stopped making cars in this country by firms wholey owned by british investers years ago when Tony Blair refused to support them, in preference to allowing foreign crap to be imported and then manufactured with all profits going back to the countries where the head offices are. If car manufacture does stop then no difference will be felt except tax on wages, NI and dole money so up the tarriffs
36
24/11/2020 17:02:05 5 23
bbc
BBC still desperately trying to find some bad news somewhere regarding Brexit. So far they were wrong on recession,wrong on mass unemployment,wrong on house price collapse,wrong on city job losses,wrong on inward investment and frankly,wrong on every crisis Brexit thread they have come up with. Nothing different here.An apolgy would be nice.
48
24/11/2020 17:09:14 5 0
bbc
Well Speccy, I can tell you that so far two trillion of bank assets have moved from London to Europe. That's £2,000,000,000,000. It represents about 1/7th of all banking assets. Those assets support jobs and create income.
64
24/11/2020 17:19:59 0 3
bbc
You've been reading the Guardian or perhaps reading BBC News stories. Remember BBC Newsstating that 'hundreds of thousands city jobs would be lost'. The actual figure, 2,550,most of which are receptionists to answer a phone and redirect it to London.
4
24/11/2020 16:25:35 5 14
bbc
Iirc Brexit wasnt about jobs and anyway it was all project fear by the remoaners.
49
24/11/2020 17:09:55 2 0
bbc
No - it was all about racism and xenophobia
50
24/11/2020 17:10:16 24 11
bbc
It's that nasty Project Fear again! Which 'Remoaner' is making it up this time? Surely the Germans want to sell us their cars etc etc etc Zzzzzzzzzzz

Sleep with the flag on your bed and it protects you from the monsters
.
93
24/11/2020 17:45:54 11 1
bbc
The Germans are certainly going to continue to sell you their cars. They will just cost a little bit more. The rich as always, will be able afford them. Whats the problem!
31
24/11/2020 16:57:39 4 15
bbc
I Recently tried to purchase a new Scania truck, the seller said there could a 10% price increase due to Brexit. So I left the dealership and bought one from Leyland instead with no risk of price increase.
Tariffs will help guide the consumer back to British
51
SP
24/11/2020 17:10:31 7 1
bbc
Leyland trucks are basically DAF. They rely on imported components which will be subject to tariffs in a no deal Brexit. So their prices will go up, too.
I am guessing you voted Brexit? You haven't thought this though, have you?
52
24/11/2020 17:10:35 67 6
bbc
I guess this is a part of the Impact Assessments that the government refused to publish.
53
24/11/2020 17:11:23 2 2
bbc
So what everone is saying is that we would still buy cars from Europe (with added tarrifs) but Europe wouldn't buy our cars )with added tariffs)
160
24/11/2020 18:51:42 2 0
bbc
I think what everyone is saying is Europe won't buy our cars because they will be spoiled with a plethora of options not subject to import taxes, whilst in the UK we will likely buy fewer cars from the EU as they will be more expensive.
294
24/11/2020 21:46:31 0 0
bbc
"Our" cars are largely European owned cars (apart from Kias and Fords and those former British brands now owned by Ford.) Europe won't need to buy "our" cars as they're already (largely) their cars. And why will any other countries want to buy "our" cars when they'll almost certainly already have trade deals with the EU and USA and be able to get their cars without the hassle and tariffs etc?
31
24/11/2020 16:57:39 4 15
bbc
I Recently tried to purchase a new Scania truck, the seller said there could a 10% price increase due to Brexit. So I left the dealership and bought one from Leyland instead with no risk of price increase.
Tariffs will help guide the consumer back to British
54
24/11/2020 17:12:51 5 1
bbc
Pity Leyland is wholly American owned
55
24/11/2020 17:13:53 91 13
bbc
Yet another Brexit bonus.

But we’ll be ok, as the nationalists believe we can manufacture everything in Britain.

They conveniently forget those decades of the right in power who were driven to destroy engineering and manufacturing through their failed deindustrialisation policy.

Our economy now heavily reliant upon cafes, coffee shops and pizza joints.
60
24/11/2020 17:17:02 60 10
bbc
Don't forget financial services 80%+, but don't worry we will have fish to support us.
141
24/11/2020 18:31:10 11 0
bbc
Exactly add to the equation where these cafes etc source products will be hardly any home grown produce , except Yorkshire tea some will believe that is home gown.
43
24/11/2020 17:07:35 12 2
bbc
We haven't left yet. By the way, doesn't 750,000 extra people on the dole with many more to come not count as mass unemployment in your eyes? Does one of the worst recessions in Europe not count? Inward net investment is virtually non-existent and house prices are being propped up by stamp duty cuts and QE.

YOU apologise!
56
24/11/2020 17:15:15 1 3
bbc
Do try and differentiate between Brexit and the virus. As you are factually ignorant,I assume you are a BBC journalist. Employment was at record levels pre virus,the virus recession is in line with europe,America etc,house prices at record levels and the UK attracts more inward investment than France,Italy,Spain and Portugal combined.
77
24/11/2020 17:37:28 2 0
bbc
central places in england mostly has been heavily foreign invested into property wise , for a number of years espesh since the pound fell out of bed in mid 2016 .
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MDW
24/11/2020 17:41:29 2 0
bbc
"the UK attracts more inward investment than France,Italy,Spain and Portugal combined."

That's factually incorrect. Also, inward investment has declined markedly since the referendum: https://www.ft.com/content/bdc9f940-bb92-11e9-b350-db00d509634e
57
24/11/2020 17:15:25 35 6
bbc
Economic reality like gravity can only be ignored for so long... expect a de-facto re-alignment with the EU in about 5 years after this Govt. is history. What is left of the UK will be a vassal state.
107
24/11/2020 17:58:29 12 4
bbc
true
110
24/11/2020 17:59:27 1 7
bbc
Economic realities like the plethora of problems waiting to bite the euro on the bottom? Those sort of economic realities..?
58
24/11/2020 17:05:43 32 8
bbc
Motor-Industry chiefs shouldn’t worry, Johnson has caved to the EU.

BRINO will follow, of the rule-taking variety.

Johnson has won a blue herring to go with his passport, mind.

Hilarious, but when is he going to tell the sheep?
31
24/11/2020 16:57:39 4 15
bbc
I Recently tried to purchase a new Scania truck, the seller said there could a 10% price increase due to Brexit. So I left the dealership and bought one from Leyland instead with no risk of price increase.
Tariffs will help guide the consumer back to British
59
24/11/2020 17:16:57 4 1
bbc
Lks like the Tractor units are DAF (dutch) built under licence and owned by Paccar which is a US company. So the right choice as it brings assembly jobs to the UK - but I put money on the supply chain being deeply embedded in Europe and the USA - ZF, Cummins, Allison . Buy the truck quickly ! It's complex-
https://www.leylandtrucksltd.co.uk/en-gb/trucks and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAF_Trucks
55
24/11/2020 17:13:53 91 13
bbc
Yet another Brexit bonus.

But we’ll be ok, as the nationalists believe we can manufacture everything in Britain.

They conveniently forget those decades of the right in power who were driven to destroy engineering and manufacturing through their failed deindustrialisation policy.

Our economy now heavily reliant upon cafes, coffee shops and pizza joints.
60
24/11/2020 17:17:02 60 10
bbc
Don't forget financial services 80%+, but don't worry we will have fish to support us.
205
24/11/2020 19:52:38 7 0
bbc
I doubt we will even have the fish from our own seas once this government have finished selling us out
387
25/11/2020 10:54:28 0 0
bbc
Except the fishing industry cannot use ‘cheaper’ EU workers on the trawlers and processing.
28
24/11/2020 16:55:51 7 2
bbc
If we buy in £100 billion more than we sell a tariff will be to the UKs detriment??
61
24/11/2020 17:18:46 2 0
bbc
---er. We do already? How can it be MORE to our detriment to keep doing it when the govt. get the import duty? Do keep up.
62
24/11/2020 17:19:33 7 0
bbc
Where's that doughty defender of the UK when we need him... "Captain Mainwaring" Mark Francois?
27
24/11/2020 16:55:13 1 6
bbc
Truth of the matter is that the Govt WANT new cars to be much more expensive, whether by tariff or by insisting on electrical motive force. That's what happens when greenwash gets in your eyes.
63
24/11/2020 17:19:41 2 0
bbc
I'm not seeing this. Electrification and Hydrogen is a huge money spinner. it's a chance to re-invigorate some semi-competitive businesss from my limited reading and research in relevant automotive and industry press.
95
24/11/2020 17:47:27 3 1
bbc
Totally agree with your assessment. But, the end products will still be more expensive than the average ICE-propelled vehicle. Eventually, the common man (and woman) will find it more difficult to maintain a private vehicle. Still, it might make Greta happy. Hard to tell, she doesn't smile much.
48
24/11/2020 17:09:14 5 0
bbc
Well Speccy, I can tell you that so far two trillion of bank assets have moved from London to Europe. That's £2,000,000,000,000. It represents about 1/7th of all banking assets. Those assets support jobs and create income.
64
24/11/2020 17:19:59 0 3
bbc
You've been reading the Guardian or perhaps reading BBC News stories. Remember BBC Newsstating that 'hundreds of thousands city jobs would be lost'. The actual figure, 2,550,most of which are receptionists to answer a phone and redirect it to London.
65
24/11/2020 17:20:02 8 2
bbc
Mark Crossley
17:07
"A no deal Brexit destroying the car industry
Covid destroying air travel tourism
Finally, our planet is beginning to breathe oxygen again".

And how many unemployed will there be?
67
24/11/2020 17:25:09 9 0
bbc
TOO MANY non contract jobs and too many out of work coming up by march 21
and wont be long for a devided kingdom. APART FROM CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY WE ARE HEADING FOR A LOUSY NEXT 5 YEARS
72
24/11/2020 17:29:29 1 0
bbc
OUR MOTOR PLANTS that are still running WILL END UP AS a production line for putting sticky decals and trim on the cars they once assembled
countries gone to the dogs , the worst thing i have to see it happening on a daily basis
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vin
24/11/2020 17:22:20 45 9
bbc
Scaremongering they said.
Chickens coming home to roost it seems.
Just remember who fooled you as you apply for your universal credit.
65
24/11/2020 17:20:02 8 2
bbc
Mark Crossley
17:07
"A no deal Brexit destroying the car industry
Covid destroying air travel tourism
Finally, our planet is beginning to breathe oxygen again".

And how many unemployed will there be?
67
24/11/2020 17:25:09 9 0
bbc
TOO MANY non contract jobs and too many out of work coming up by march 21
and wont be long for a devided kingdom. APART FROM CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY WE ARE HEADING FOR A LOUSY NEXT 5 YEARS
68
24/11/2020 17:25:17 3 14
bbc
Why on earth are car components crossing and recrossing borders? Utter madness. Components should be made in GB not providing work for those overseas. Tariffs on overseas components looks to be a good idea. Incentive to buy British.
73
24/11/2020 17:31:52 6 1
bbc
And set them up just like that. Easy peasy. That'll be cheap and cost effective
79
24/11/2020 17:38:27 1 0
bbc
Theoretically you are right, but you are now a country who's economy is predominantly based on service industries. It is hard to retrain enough bankers, shopassistants and barstaff to produce the necessary industrial components needed from the 1st. January. It is much easier to close industries than to start them up.
130
24/11/2020 18:16:05 1 1
bbc
Oh dear. Look at https://auto.howstuffworks.com/under-the-hood/auto-manufacturing/automotive-production-line.htm to give you an idea of how it all works nowadays.
69
24/11/2020 17:25:53 1 0
bbc
...

The motor industry is going to have an almighty shake-up anyway.

Electric cars don't have anywhere near the number of moving parts -
VW Golf 140-odd compared to a Chevrolet Bolt 20-odd.

...
78
Ian
24/11/2020 17:37:55 5 1
bbc
But they will need a new battery every 5 years and those things aren’t cheap.
80
24/11/2020 17:38:55 3 0
bbc
My Allegro has no moving parts
70
24/11/2020 17:27:40 13 2
bbc
Realist
17:19
"Where's that doughty defender of the UK when we need him... "Captain Mainwaring" Mark Francois"?

You mean "Gino", maybe he can't attend Parliament as he has been suspended for dipping his "Wickford" where he should not have, allegedly.
98
24/11/2020 17:43:20 4 0
bbc
Thanks for that image....

Maybe he should’ve known what “leave me alone” means.
71
24/11/2020 17:28:58 41 5
bbc
You mean the assembly industry. UK does no longer have a car or motor industry. All factories are owned by foreigners and the UK is allowed to assemble cars for them as they are in Europe - after that UK has no meaning for most car manufacturers. A factory can be broken down and build in much cheaper eastern Europe in 6 month.
116
24/11/2020 18:02:48 12 43
bbc
That's one of the best reasons for getting out of EU. Where is the new Land Rover made? What happened to Dagenham? The EU was a disaster for British industry
257
24/11/2020 20:55:52 0 1
bbc
Well we still have Noble . . . and does anyone know if Caterham is still going?
362
25/11/2020 06:21:34 0 0
bbc
With the help of EU subsidies happened before and not only to the UK but other EU countries. The most important thing rember is the Multnationls banks rule the EU with a whole army of advocaten and lobbyisten
434
25/11/2020 18:57:33 0 0
bbc
Rubbish. Final Assembly is only one part car plants in the uk. Nissan has its own casting and engine shop, same for battery production on top of press, weld, and paint shops as an example. The only true assembly shops are tiny outfits, where a box of bits comes from a manufacturer and gets built on a final assembly line. As for 6 months dream on.
65
24/11/2020 17:20:02 8 2
bbc
Mark Crossley
17:07
"A no deal Brexit destroying the car industry
Covid destroying air travel tourism
Finally, our planet is beginning to breathe oxygen again".

And how many unemployed will there be?
72
24/11/2020 17:29:29 1 0
bbc
OUR MOTOR PLANTS that are still running WILL END UP AS a production line for putting sticky decals and trim on the cars they once assembled
countries gone to the dogs , the worst thing i have to see it happening on a daily basis
68
24/11/2020 17:25:17 3 14
bbc
Why on earth are car components crossing and recrossing borders? Utter madness. Components should be made in GB not providing work for those overseas. Tariffs on overseas components looks to be a good idea. Incentive to buy British.
73
24/11/2020 17:31:52 6 1
bbc
And set them up just like that. Easy peasy. That'll be cheap and cost effective
74
24/11/2020 17:32:53 19 6
bbc
well they did vote for it in the FULL knowledge of what they were voting for so SUCK IT UP
81
24/11/2020 17:39:07 15 4
bbc
like I said before - dog whistle racism and xenophobia - tell it like it is.
43
24/11/2020 17:07:35 12 2
bbc
We haven't left yet. By the way, doesn't 750,000 extra people on the dole with many more to come not count as mass unemployment in your eyes? Does one of the worst recessions in Europe not count? Inward net investment is virtually non-existent and house prices are being propped up by stamp duty cuts and QE.

YOU apologise!
75
24/11/2020 17:33:55 2 0
bbc
well said
40
24/11/2020 17:05:52 83 15
bbc
Lots of lovely Brexit P45s on their way to the Leave voters of Sunderland - still they can go and pick the cabbages in Lincs. LOL
76
24/11/2020 17:35:45 1 21
bbc
That will be at Nissan will it ? The Company that announced a £400 MILLION investment in the Sunderland plant earlier this year. As for P45's Renault,Peugeot and Citroen have already made 35,000 redundant in France,so much for the EU guarantee of jobs.
111
24/11/2020 18:00:16 14 0
bbc
Oh dear - not I'm afraid according to the Nissan Press release in Japan. I guess the Japanese don't want to offend us Brits. Do keep up!
129
24/11/2020 18:15:09 14 0
bbc
French job losses were due to Covid if that makes you feel better.
56
24/11/2020 17:15:15 1 3
bbc
Do try and differentiate between Brexit and the virus. As you are factually ignorant,I assume you are a BBC journalist. Employment was at record levels pre virus,the virus recession is in line with europe,America etc,house prices at record levels and the UK attracts more inward investment than France,Italy,Spain and Portugal combined.
77
24/11/2020 17:37:28 2 0
bbc
central places in england mostly has been heavily foreign invested into property wise , for a number of years espesh since the pound fell out of bed in mid 2016 .
69
24/11/2020 17:25:53 1 0
bbc
...

The motor industry is going to have an almighty shake-up anyway.

Electric cars don't have anywhere near the number of moving parts -
VW Golf 140-odd compared to a Chevrolet Bolt 20-odd.

...
78
Ian
24/11/2020 17:37:55 5 1
bbc
But they will need a new battery every 5 years and those things aren’t cheap.
68
24/11/2020 17:25:17 3 14
bbc
Why on earth are car components crossing and recrossing borders? Utter madness. Components should be made in GB not providing work for those overseas. Tariffs on overseas components looks to be a good idea. Incentive to buy British.
79
24/11/2020 17:38:27 1 0
bbc
Theoretically you are right, but you are now a country who's economy is predominantly based on service industries. It is hard to retrain enough bankers, shopassistants and barstaff to produce the necessary industrial components needed from the 1st. January. It is much easier to close industries than to start them up.
88
24/11/2020 17:42:50 3 0
bbc
Don't need much training to pick cabbages
69
24/11/2020 17:25:53 1 0
bbc
...

The motor industry is going to have an almighty shake-up anyway.

Electric cars don't have anywhere near the number of moving parts -
VW Golf 140-odd compared to a Chevrolet Bolt 20-odd.

...
80
24/11/2020 17:38:55 3 0
bbc
My Allegro has no moving parts
96
24/11/2020 17:48:09 1 0
bbc
its now a classic ha ha
74
24/11/2020 17:32:53 19 6
bbc
well they did vote for it in the FULL knowledge of what they were voting for so SUCK IT UP
81
24/11/2020 17:39:07 15 4
bbc
like I said before - dog whistle racism and xenophobia - tell it like it is.
82
24/11/2020 17:39:41 2 3
bbc
I'm buying a Rangie next time instead of a BMW, so not all bad news for UK Plc.
To be fair, JLR have a very desirable range of motors out compared to the Germans currently. Think they'll do very well over next few years regardless.
108
MDW
24/11/2020 17:58:33 5 1
bbc
JLR currently sells more cars in Europe than it does in the UK (where sales have been declining). Times are not likely to get easier for them.
155
24/11/2020 18:47:14 0 0
bbc
good news for Tata owners of JLR
169
24/11/2020 19:03:05 0 0
bbc
Unfortunately for JLR parts suppliers have proved reluctant to manufacture in the UK, due to potential post Brexit issues. So not only are JLR EU sales likely to suffer, part supplies will likely increase costs.
303
24/11/2020 21:55:33 0 0
bbc
I'm sure the Indian owners, Tata, will thank you for your business.
83
24/11/2020 17:39:53 12 3
bbc
Really sad news. Especially for workers and supporting industries in the North-East, Derby and possibly Cowley where there are some volume car manufacturers. I think that leaving the EU will leave a serious dent in UK finance, but that was the democratic choice of the people. We were warned about this, but declined to make a rational choice. Now it's time to enjoy "sovereignty" at any price.
85
24/11/2020 17:41:23 18 1
bbc
Like I said 4 years ago - they can go and pick cabbages in Lincs. I'm sure that's what they voted for ;-)
330
24/11/2020 22:58:20 2 0
bbc
unfortunately, Nissan workers in Sunderland are "the turkeys who voted for Christmas" they chose to ignore rational argument in 2016, 90% of what they build is sold in the EU, they must have realised this when sticking steering wheels on the wrong side. these same cars are mostly built from parts supplied from the EU, 10% tariff either way, do the maths........
84
Ian
24/11/2020 17:39:58 2 3
bbc
Japanese manufacturers were already planning on moving production home after the deal with the EU. Brexit is just a convenient excuse.
89
24/11/2020 17:43:18 1 5
bbc
So the £400 million that Nissan are investing in Sunderland is what,a PR exercise ?
103
24/11/2020 17:49:36 0 5
bbc
They started moving them home when the EU gave Japan a free trade deal, pulling the rug from under UK car industry. The EU is basically a protected market for Franco / German industrialists.
83
24/11/2020 17:39:53 12 3
bbc
Really sad news. Especially for workers and supporting industries in the North-East, Derby and possibly Cowley where there are some volume car manufacturers. I think that leaving the EU will leave a serious dent in UK finance, but that was the democratic choice of the people. We were warned about this, but declined to make a rational choice. Now it's time to enjoy "sovereignty" at any price.
85
24/11/2020 17:41:23 18 1
bbc
Like I said 4 years ago - they can go and pick cabbages in Lincs. I'm sure that's what they voted for ;-)
56
24/11/2020 17:15:15 1 3
bbc
Do try and differentiate between Brexit and the virus. As you are factually ignorant,I assume you are a BBC journalist. Employment was at record levels pre virus,the virus recession is in line with europe,America etc,house prices at record levels and the UK attracts more inward investment than France,Italy,Spain and Portugal combined.
86
MDW
24/11/2020 17:41:29 2 0
bbc
"the UK attracts more inward investment than France,Italy,Spain and Portugal combined."

That's factually incorrect. Also, inward investment has declined markedly since the referendum: https://www.ft.com/content/bdc9f940-bb92-11e9-b350-db00d509634e
87
24/11/2020 17:41:49 5 9
bbc
Tell the THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND car workers in France who have lost their jobs this year,how the only way a car manufacturer can survive is within the EU.

Then tell them how Nissan are investing £400 million in Sunderland.

Buy hey,thats not a news story that's not on the BBC agenda,or their legions of Guardian readers that scour every HYS with a hint of Brexit in it.

You lost,get over it.
97
24/11/2020 17:49:05 8 1
bbc
French job losses were due to Covid.

Nissan will not stay around under a No Deal scenario.

Electric is the future - made in the EU.
101
24/11/2020 17:48:35 2 0
bbc
Nissan have been assured it’s going to be BRINO.

That’s the status quo but with £20billion more red tape & no say on the rules.

If it is not BRINO, all exporters will walk like Mogg, to the EU.
102
MDW
24/11/2020 17:52:06 7 0
bbc
"Tell the THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND car workers in France who have lost their jobs this year,how the only way a car manufacturer can survive is within the EU."

Please stop making stuff up.

The figure of 35,000 *possible* lost automotive jobs applies to European (not just French) car makers and suppliers and is a world-wide estimate of the potential damage caused by the pandemic.
126
24/11/2020 18:09:31 2 0
bbc
No YOU lost unless you're a pensioner or a venture capitalist. If you claim to identify with the working class, you've lost by proxy.

The £400 million depends on a no-deal praying so you better get on the phone to BoJo/Gove/Frost pretty sharpish hadn't you?
178
24/11/2020 19:14:14 0 0
bbc
The Gov't promised that Nissan would not be adversely affected by Brexit, as well as promised support of about £80m.

I hope Westmister's money tree bears plenty of fruit post 2021.
79
24/11/2020 17:38:27 1 0
bbc
Theoretically you are right, but you are now a country who's economy is predominantly based on service industries. It is hard to retrain enough bankers, shopassistants and barstaff to produce the necessary industrial components needed from the 1st. January. It is much easier to close industries than to start them up.
88
24/11/2020 17:42:50 3 0
bbc
Don't need much training to pick cabbages
84
Ian
24/11/2020 17:39:58 2 3
bbc
Japanese manufacturers were already planning on moving production home after the deal with the EU. Brexit is just a convenient excuse.
89
24/11/2020 17:43:18 1 5
bbc
So the £400 million that Nissan are investing in Sunderland is what,a PR exercise ?
99
24/11/2020 17:50:07 5 0
bbc
According to them, via that famous lefty rag the Telegraph, non existant considering they think no deal Brexit would lead to Sunderland having to close....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/06/03/nissan-warns-sunderland-plant-cant-survive-no-deal-brexit/
90
rob
24/11/2020 17:27:13 1 0
bbc
thousands of used cars for sale in mountains of forecourts just in this small market town alone
just what the industry needs a sharp short knock
91
24/11/2020 17:29:18 2 0
bbc
So where will all the motor cars come from after 2030?
232
24/11/2020 20:20:26 0 0
bbc
All the cars will be fully self driving and we'll just ride share everywhere. No more private car ownership. Well, that's what the Tesla disciples are preaching. A true socialist society. Corbyn will be pleased.
92
24/11/2020 17:33:18 6 3
bbc
Not many Brexiteers on today making the usual excuses.

The ongoing problem is that UK is way behind other Countries in the design and development of electric cars.
151
24/11/2020 18:41:43 3 0
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They’re here but quiet as the reality gets nearer.
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24/11/2020 17:10:16 24 11
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It's that nasty Project Fear again! Which 'Remoaner' is making it up this time? Surely the Germans want to sell us their cars etc etc etc Zzzzzzzzzzz

Sleep with the flag on your bed and it protects you from the monsters
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24/11/2020 17:45:54 11 1
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The Germans are certainly going to continue to sell you their cars. They will just cost a little bit more. The rich as always, will be able afford them. Whats the problem!
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24/11/2020 17:45:58 2 1
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We have to get use to the idea that we can't all have cars or use cars. The motor industry contributes hugely to climate change because of production methods and driving cars. My parents were the first generation to see car ownership and use as a normal part of life, before them it was the exception not the rule. We need better public transport so people don't have to rely upon car use.
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24/11/2020 19:05:17 0 0
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The UK taking one for the team?
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24/11/2020 19:11:30 0 0
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The UK Gov't promised Nissan they would not be adversely affected by leaving the EU, as well as promising support of about £80m.

Let's hope Westminsters money tree bears plenty of fruit in a post Brexit world.
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24/11/2020 17:19:41 2 0
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I'm not seeing this. Electrification and Hydrogen is a huge money spinner. it's a chance to re-invigorate some semi-competitive businesss from my limited reading and research in relevant automotive and industry press.
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24/11/2020 17:47:27 3 1
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Totally agree with your assessment. But, the end products will still be more expensive than the average ICE-propelled vehicle. Eventually, the common man (and woman) will find it more difficult to maintain a private vehicle. Still, it might make Greta happy. Hard to tell, she doesn't smile much.
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25/11/2020 07:52:27 0 0
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We have 10 years to no ICE's and then the rich and the poor can still run classics and bangers as needed. I think the decay in ICE will be slow and those with the knowledge of how to maintain them will have vibrant businesses. We have to stop burning so much fossil fuels. - BTW - I work in the O&G supply chain - she's right and no one listens - hence the frown ;-)
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24/11/2020 17:38:55 3 0
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My Allegro has no moving parts
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24/11/2020 17:48:09 1 0
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its now a classic ha ha
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24/11/2020 17:41:49 5 9
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Tell the THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND car workers in France who have lost their jobs this year,how the only way a car manufacturer can survive is within the EU.

Then tell them how Nissan are investing £400 million in Sunderland.

Buy hey,thats not a news story that's not on the BBC agenda,or their legions of Guardian readers that scour every HYS with a hint of Brexit in it.

You lost,get over it.
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24/11/2020 17:49:05 8 1
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French job losses were due to Covid.

Nissan will not stay around under a No Deal scenario.

Electric is the future - made in the EU.
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24/11/2020 17:27:40 13 2
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Realist
17:19
"Where's that doughty defender of the UK when we need him... "Captain Mainwaring" Mark Francois"?

You mean "Gino", maybe he can't attend Parliament as he has been suspended for dipping his "Wickford" where he should not have, allegedly.
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24/11/2020 17:43:20 4 0
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Thanks for that image....

Maybe he should’ve known what “leave me alone” means.
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24/11/2020 17:43:18 1 5
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So the £400 million that Nissan are investing in Sunderland is what,a PR exercise ?
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24/11/2020 17:50:07 5 0
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According to them, via that famous lefty rag the Telegraph, non existant considering they think no deal Brexit would lead to Sunderland having to close....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/06/03/nissan-warns-sunderland-plant-cant-survive-no-deal-brexit/
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24/11/2020 17:46:39 3 8
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The car industry needs to grow a pair stop winging and start competing on a global level. They have had it to easy for too long with the Protected EU market which isn’t global capitalism it is Franco / German protectionism. Sort yourselves out and stop blaming other people for your own failings.
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24/11/2020 18:06:54 3 0
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Going near Sunderland any time soon. I'm sure all the car workers there who are soon to be unemployed will enjoy being told to "sort themselves out" and that that, "They have had it to easy for too long". They did bring it on themselves of course but I suspect they'll resent being patronised by the likes of you.