Northern England facing economic crisis 'worse than 1980s'
24/11/2020 | news | business | 387
Covid has increased regional inequalities, Labour Greater Manchester mayor Andy Burnham warns.
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24/11/2020 16:17:23 165 40
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"north of England"

Well, Andy, I live in Northumberland ... perhaps you should look at a map, Manchester is the deep South or Midlands at best.

Is it just you and the Mayor of London who seem to do little except self promotion, or is it all of the unwanted mayors ?
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24/11/2020 16:41:54 40 67
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You Vote Tory ?
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24/11/2020 19:17:22 8 7
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No Miners Gala for you then …. Howay Man !

Likewise to someone in John O, Groats Northumberland is Sub Tropical...

I wonder why you don't like Mayors per se ? Boris also seems to have problems with them, do they not comply..
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24/11/2020 19:48:07 11 13
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These toy town Mayors have to speak to justify their salaries, expense accounts and pensions
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24/11/2020 21:05:15 9 8
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Andy "Eyebrows" is all about self promotion & his profile
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25/11/2020 02:59:19 4 1
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Spot on, if the politicians wants to see neglect and managed decline of the actual 'north of England' through political misrule from parties of different colours, pop up to the north east, not Manchester, Liverpool, or Yorkshire.
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25/11/2020 08:31:09 5 5
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Sadly, I think that the North East has been quite good at shooting itself in the foot without the need for outside help. Why should the rest of the UK support people who voted overwhelmingly for Brexit once the money from the EU stops and the jobs start to go as Engineering firms pack up? Anybody that said they knew what they were voting for are either very wealthy or deluded.
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25/11/2020 09:52:34 0 3
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That's right - focus on the geography rather than address the problem ('cos he's right).
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24/11/2020 16:20:19 53 15
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Inequalities have increased in one sentence and then the country has levelled down. Make your mind up Andy which is your opinion even though your evidence is as flimsy as a Trump tweet
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24/11/2020 16:24:11 3 4
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The UK is London.
Singapore.
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24/11/2020 16:41:05 1 0
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You missed out the South East..
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24/11/2020 16:24:57 28 9
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He was a minister worse in the Treasury under Brown and Phony Tony Tory Blair.

Why didn't New Tory alter the Green Book.

Simple really only bothered about South East as Northern Votes where a given so didn't need to do anything, better still even kept telling them to do one.

Rinse & Repeat over Brexit.

So come on Burnham, explain why it wasn't done 20 years ago, 20 years wasted.
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24/11/2020 16:26:39 50 18
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Terrible Mayor
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24/11/2020 16:28:35 60 14
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I think I'm more interested in Centipedes than anything this bloke has to say....
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DMJ
24/11/2020 16:30:10 91 19
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Labour mayor having a go at Tory government, what a surprise. Would have been better to have agreed to tear 3 sooner than political posturing and live would have been saved.
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24/11/2020 19:30:20 14 32
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Shows your intelligence: tear 3? Says it all
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24/11/2020 16:31:49 42 8
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If he had any principles (I know politician) he wouldn't even of stood for Mayor as the people voted against having one. As usual the politicians do what they want anyway.
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24/11/2020 16:32:48 116 29
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Put a sock in it Burnham, it's not about you.
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24/11/2020 18:03:51 48 11
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Quite right.
Big respect to Andy Burnham in how he took up the cause and went about helping to get justice for the 96.
Was that the peak of his political career?
Ever since, he has been a bit of a muppet quite frankly.
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Bob
24/11/2020 16:33:38 102 17
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If Andy B had not played politics over the tier 3 issue and gone into it quickly perhaps we may be in a lower tier when lockdown ends. Look at Liverpool in quick their infection rate was higher and now lower than ours in Manchester. I hate to think how many lives could have been saved without this delay. A bad decision mayors it only give the individuals a platform for self promotion.
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24/11/2020 21:07:08 18 25
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You seem to forget he was right - when it was just Manchester / The North the offer wasn't too great as soon as it was a national lockdown including London - the offer improved
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24/11/2020 16:36:37 59 12
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Same old same old from Andy Burnham. About time he changed the record.
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24/11/2020 16:39:51 24 44
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Not sure that saying that Covid has increased regional inequalities can really be described as "same old same old"?! Maybe you are a confused southerner who can't understand why the majority in the North feel let down by the handling of regional lockdowns by the London centric government?
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24/11/2020 16:38:08 10 5
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I’m sure he wants to be PM and alienating the South isn’t going to help. SE hospitals were only about 50% capacity when lockdown announced so effectively SE/SW/Eastern England economies were sacrificed as a show of unity with the North.
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24/11/2020 16:39:45 5 1
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Don't be silly.....
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24/11/2020 16:38:20 16 1
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Generally, he's got a point, but is he seriously suggesting lowering bus fares is going to make any difference to the Manchester economy? Or is it that lower bus fares benefits him as Mayor?

Buses are awful & expensive in Manchester (as are trains & trams), but getting trains to be reliable and improving links to Liverpool, Leeds, Sheffield & Bradford would have a much bigger impact.
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24/11/2020 16:53:26 12 6
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Live in Leeds and Can say - They is nothing to go to Manchester for - Build a Wall around them
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24/11/2020 16:38:08 10 5
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I’m sure he wants to be PM and alienating the South isn’t going to help. SE hospitals were only about 50% capacity when lockdown announced so effectively SE/SW/Eastern England economies were sacrificed as a show of unity with the North.
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24/11/2020 16:39:45 5 1
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Don't be silly.....
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24/11/2020 16:36:37 59 12
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Same old same old from Andy Burnham. About time he changed the record.
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24/11/2020 16:39:51 24 44
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Not sure that saying that Covid has increased regional inequalities can really be described as "same old same old"?! Maybe you are a confused southerner who can't understand why the majority in the North feel let down by the handling of regional lockdowns by the London centric government?
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25/11/2020 10:48:25 1 0
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you northerners voted them in
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24/11/2020 16:24:11 3 4
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The UK is London.
Singapore.
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24/11/2020 16:41:05 1 0
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You missed out the South East..
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24/11/2020 16:17:23 165 40
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"north of England"

Well, Andy, I live in Northumberland ... perhaps you should look at a map, Manchester is the deep South or Midlands at best.

Is it just you and the Mayor of London who seem to do little except self promotion, or is it all of the unwanted mayors ?
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24/11/2020 16:41:54 40 67
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You Vote Tory ?
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24/11/2020 16:42:23 111 21
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This article seems to be a party political broadcast on behalf of the Andy Burnham Party!
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24/11/2020 18:01:37 50 12
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Look closer to home Burnham!
Manchester University students have suffered "inequality" worse than any other UK student population.
They have been lied to, ripped off, double crossed, locked up under false house arrest in their flats, intimidated by MIB security guards, imprisoned behind steel fences and generally treated like criminals, with no rights.
A disgrace.
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24/11/2020 16:44:05 22 7
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The man is all about Money not for the Poor - But For Himself - He is the worst Kind of Labour Politician - Look at all the development in Manchester and how he as moved the Local People out of Homes and Communities
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24/11/2020 16:45:45 13 3
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Anyone think Andy Burnham looks a little bit like the dad in American pie? Or is just me.
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24/11/2020 16:46:32 159 24
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Worse than the 1980s??? Remember Derek Hatton in Liverpool? Let's not start all this class warfare sh*te again. We've got enough problems, Andy.
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24/11/2020 17:05:05 44 123
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Its Class Warfare all right - and the Tories started it !!!
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24/11/2020 17:06:16 19 3
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Harrison
Thank you for remembering those Hatton days.
I am a southerner and I want more to be spent on the north. I want a better economy for the north. My friend has just moved up north to be near his kids and grandkids and loves it.
Stop moaning Andy and start to get all people up north a better life
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24/11/2020 17:51:40 20 6
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Well said, sir, and let me add the mess Labour left behind in 1979? Rubbish piled up in streets, bodies in temporary morgues, Arthur Scargill running the government by proxy while smiling Jim Callaghan pretended everything was OK, all on Labours watch. Get real Burnham
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24/11/2020 19:31:52 11 12
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I have 80,s memories of Police Horses charging over Miners in South Yorkshire.

Toxteth Riots you want more Maggie tunes.

Burnham is fighting for his City nothing more nothing less, deal with that fact Pal
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25/11/2020 12:09:04 3 1
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It’s not about class warfare, it’s about facts and it’s a well known fact that certain areas of the U.K. do far better than others when the spending etc. Is announced
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25/11/2020 13:14:28 1 0
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"But the government pointed to [the hundreds of] billions spent supporting the UK economy during the pandemic"

Problem is, that money has been spent - gone in a puff of air with nothing to show for it. We are all going to be considerably worse off for decades to come. Meanwhile, increased deaths from other causes will far exceed anything Covid would have delivered.
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24/11/2020 16:51:18 23 7
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Doesn't this bloke ever shut up.
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24/11/2020 16:46:44 4 9
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Many years ago there was a T-shirt that said: "Don't blame me, I voted Labour. To paraphrase Game of Thrones, the North will remember it's mistake in electing a conservative clown.

Unfortunately Labour is now far more interested in giving said clown plenty of rope to hang himself with, instead of fighting to save jobs and futures by opposing these insane restrictions.
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24/11/2020 16:58:01 10 4
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No it won't, it voted Tory for a reason, i.e. Brexit Labour chose to give them such a huge majority.
Labour is too busy infighting and returning to Phony Tony MK2 Party
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24/11/2020 16:38:20 16 1
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Generally, he's got a point, but is he seriously suggesting lowering bus fares is going to make any difference to the Manchester economy? Or is it that lower bus fares benefits him as Mayor?

Buses are awful & expensive in Manchester (as are trains & trams), but getting trains to be reliable and improving links to Liverpool, Leeds, Sheffield & Bradford would have a much bigger impact.
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24/11/2020 16:53:26 12 6
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Live in Leeds and Can say - They is nothing to go to Manchester for - Build a Wall around them
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25/11/2020 09:46:15 0 0
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Why is there standing room only on the over crowded Manchester to Leeds trains?
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24/11/2020 16:56:51 28 6
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Why does he insist on trying to divide the north & south, for his own political reasons maybe? Anyway it's a dangerous game to play Andy & you should note that the North has more investment than the South West, which really is the poor man of England.
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24/11/2020 17:32:32 10 20
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I think you will find that Sunak created the divide by insisting Manchester accepted 67% pf earnings but then as soon as the South went in to Lockdown he offered everyone 80%. Well done Andy for defending the North.
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24/11/2020 16:46:44 4 9
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Many years ago there was a T-shirt that said: "Don't blame me, I voted Labour. To paraphrase Game of Thrones, the North will remember it's mistake in electing a conservative clown.

Unfortunately Labour is now far more interested in giving said clown plenty of rope to hang himself with, instead of fighting to save jobs and futures by opposing these insane restrictions.
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24/11/2020 16:58:01 10 4
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No it won't, it voted Tory for a reason, i.e. Brexit Labour chose to give them such a huge majority.
Labour is too busy infighting and returning to Phony Tony MK2 Party
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24/11/2020 16:58:45 89 21
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If Burnham was offered £200 Billion he would complain it is not enough, the man is a serial whinger and nothing will ever please him.
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24/11/2020 17:01:04 30 14
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once again, the BBC giving voice to the leftist anti government self absorbed Burnham
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24/11/2020 17:06:02 19 13
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The just can’t help it.. defund the BBC
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24/11/2020 17:01:16 17 6
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Unless you live in Alderley Edge, it's pretty grim up north. However, Mancunians should be thankful that they do not live in Middlesbrough.
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24/11/2020 17:36:26 15 2
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Such a skewed view of the north, perpetuated by a southern media obsessed with portraying the north as uniformly grim. Sure, the north has more than its fair share of deprived areas, esp in the post-industrial heartlands along the M62, but there's also plenty of affluence spread across large swathes of Yorkshire, Lancashire, Cheshire, Cumbria, Northumberland etc, not to mention lovely countryside.
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24/11/2020 17:02:45 50 18
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Having Burnham as Mayor has certainly done Manchester no favours.
His socialist rants are looking sillier each time.
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24/11/2020 16:46:32 159 24
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Worse than the 1980s??? Remember Derek Hatton in Liverpool? Let's not start all this class warfare sh*te again. We've got enough problems, Andy.
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24/11/2020 17:05:05 44 123
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Its Class Warfare all right - and the Tories started it !!!
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24/11/2020 17:56:15 18 5
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So what about Scargill, Hatton, Militant etc? These communists tried to bring this country to its knees and turn us into a Soviet. Scargill meanwhile exploited the miners for his own personal gain and made £millions out of them, what hypocrisy! Consequently Burnham is talking b-----ks.
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25/11/2020 09:55:20 5 3
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You forget that Labour are the real nasty party.
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24/11/2020 17:01:04 30 14
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once again, the BBC giving voice to the leftist anti government self absorbed Burnham
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24/11/2020 17:06:02 19 13
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The just can’t help it.. defund the BBC
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24/11/2020 16:46:32 159 24
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Worse than the 1980s??? Remember Derek Hatton in Liverpool? Let's not start all this class warfare sh*te again. We've got enough problems, Andy.
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24/11/2020 17:06:16 19 3
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Harrison
Thank you for remembering those Hatton days.
I am a southerner and I want more to be spent on the north. I want a better economy for the north. My friend has just moved up north to be near his kids and grandkids and loves it.
Stop moaning Andy and start to get all people up north a better life
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24/11/2020 17:13:27 7 4
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How about levelling down the property prices between the North and the South Mr Burnham? Housing prices down here in the South significantly higher than his neck of the woods and takes up a huge lump of people's income.
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24/11/2020 17:28:30 6 1
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Tbh I'm not sure what you're asking for - a massive fall in southern house prices (pushing you into negative equity) or a large jump in northern house prices (which only hits those trying to get on the property ladder)?

If you're worried about your cost of housing, you could always sell up and move north ;)
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24/11/2020 17:16:12 81 9
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What's the point of Mayors? Just another expensive salary and all for themselves.
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24/11/2020 17:33:50 16 28
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johnson ?
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25/11/2020 01:15:44 2 0
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thats precisely why I refuse to vote in any Mayoral Election
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24/11/2020 17:10:59 66 14
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Q. What’s Burnham’s biggest claim to fame?
A. Getting absolutely annihilated by comrade Corbyn in Labour leadership election.
Even his own side recognised he’s a clown, unfortunately Manchester are now stuck with this very dangerous egotist.
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24/11/2020 17:18:35 70 12
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He do well to wind his neck in. All the publicity he generates is negative. Presents a poor case for Greater Manchester and the North.
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24/11/2020 23:57:11 24 5
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I lived and worked in Burnhams old constituency of Leigh for years in the 80's with pit closures etc and went back there last month. Even with the deprivation of the 80s and later Burnham has managed to rundown the town worse than ever it was before. But I found a few buildings with plaques proclaiming Burnhams greatness. As mayor he can now make all of Manchester a disaster area not just Leigh.
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24/11/2020 17:19:56 39 12
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Burnham is good at speeches good with words good with ideas but hot air no clout...to be honest he’s another career politician.
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24/11/2020 17:25:44 20 4
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Only one reason he's sticking in the news, he needs our vote to get re elected mayor very soon. This clown needs to be voted out.
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24/11/2020 17:26:29 21 4
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Stop whinging, you self centred, self interested failed leftie! You are doing a very very bad job of representing the North. Know when to shut up.
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24/11/2020 17:26:59 14 4
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This is a deeply flawed politician who tried to blackmail every Local Authority to demand more covis cash. at their expence. They called his bluff...
I wish I had the same make up artist as he employs. This highly manicured creature manifests the worse of politicians.
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24/11/2020 17:27:13 30 7
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Funny how we keep getting to comment on the antics of Mr Burnham but not when it comes to the words and actions of the actual Labour Party leader.

Once again he opens his mouth to basically change feet. God help us all if he ever returns to the HoC and tries to become leader again.
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24/11/2020 17:13:27 7 4
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How about levelling down the property prices between the North and the South Mr Burnham? Housing prices down here in the South significantly higher than his neck of the woods and takes up a huge lump of people's income.
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24/11/2020 17:28:30 6 1
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Tbh I'm not sure what you're asking for - a massive fall in southern house prices (pushing you into negative equity) or a large jump in northern house prices (which only hits those trying to get on the property ladder)?

If you're worried about your cost of housing, you could always sell up and move north ;)
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24/11/2020 17:29:32 13 3
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Funny how anything the government says has strong criticism, but a socialist gets support, with Mr B and no counter arguments other than a bland generic quote. Come on BBC get some balance and talk about his eyebrows or his peak cap hair style. What about his "The North Face " jacket? Please that is worth a one liner ;-)
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24/11/2020 17:30:19 123 23
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I lived through the 1980's and the early years after the shambles Labour, yes Labour, left behind in 1979 were grim. Yes, Covid is going to tough for everyone ,inc all of us in the north, but Burnham is talking absolute codswallop. He's turned into a whining wind bang, who's lost the plot and likes the sound of his own voice. Worse still, the BBC seem to be his official PR machine. Fact check him.
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24/11/2020 22:24:16 34 24
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I lived through the 1980s too.
I remember the party who got elected on the slogan "Labour isn't working" trashed northern manufacturing industry in favour of London's finance revolution - trebling unemployment & saying it was "a price worth paying".
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24/11/2020 23:37:04 4 3
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Burnham would have disappeared in Russia
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25/11/2020 06:57:00 9 9
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To right. It's always the same Labour always leaves the country in a complete mess. The Conservatives then have to sort it out. Sort it out they will. Do you have to be a first class winger to speak for Labour? Don't get started on the biased BBC.
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24/11/2020 17:32:29 11 4
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Who cares what Burham thinks? Why do the BBC keep running to him?

Credibility lost. Demanded £90 million for Manchester. Then fell back to £65 million. So he overshot by £25 million... is he mates with Diane Abbott. ALL he wanted was £1 more that Liverpool or Lancashire had been given.

Failed opportunist
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24/11/2020 16:56:51 28 6
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Why does he insist on trying to divide the north & south, for his own political reasons maybe? Anyway it's a dangerous game to play Andy & you should note that the North has more investment than the South West, which really is the poor man of England.
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24/11/2020 17:32:32 10 20
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I think you will find that Sunak created the divide by insisting Manchester accepted 67% pf earnings but then as soon as the South went in to Lockdown he offered everyone 80%. Well done Andy for defending the North.
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24/11/2020 17:32:39 14 4
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You can see, now that Momentum has had its wings clipped, the lad’s trying to get back into National not regional politics. It’s all a dance for personal ambition. The lot of ‘em, not just him.
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24/11/2020 17:16:35 8 11
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Andy Burnham is doing a great job. The Government knows very little about Greater Manchester and cares even less. It's time that they learned to have more respect for local politicians and their local knowledge. Look at the mess centralisation made of the Test and Trace affair and the money thrown away on it, so much gone to private firms with political connections.
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24/11/2020 17:43:28 5 3
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You have a point about track and trace but Burnham is only interested in his own political aspirations and like Trump if you say it enough people start to believe it, when in reality he is talking b-----ks most of the time
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24/11/2020 18:03:39 0 0
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If memory serves me right, the act of parachuting in candidates during a general election was at its height during the failed Blair and Brown premierships.
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24/11/2020 17:16:12 81 9
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What's the point of Mayors? Just another expensive salary and all for themselves.
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24/11/2020 17:33:50 16 28
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johnson ?
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25/11/2020 10:35:09 1 1
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The only voice we have, that Is the point, no one questions the need for a London mayor which is perhaps the one city that doesn't actually need one
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24/11/2020 17:34:16 25 6
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Andy Burnham is only interested in Andy Burnham. If he'd spent more time acting swiftly on Scientific advise rather than lording it about and holding press conferences in which he tried to blame everyone and anyone else...he is a disgrace and has let the good folks of the North down badly.
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24/11/2020 17:01:16 17 6
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Unless you live in Alderley Edge, it's pretty grim up north. However, Mancunians should be thankful that they do not live in Middlesbrough.
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24/11/2020 17:36:26 15 2
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Such a skewed view of the north, perpetuated by a southern media obsessed with portraying the north as uniformly grim. Sure, the north has more than its fair share of deprived areas, esp in the post-industrial heartlands along the M62, but there's also plenty of affluence spread across large swathes of Yorkshire, Lancashire, Cheshire, Cumbria, Northumberland etc, not to mention lovely countryside.
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24/11/2020 18:29:22 0 0
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Well said. Shame it constantly needs saying.
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24/11/2020 19:56:19 2 0
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But don't tell everyone, otherwise they will all want to come up here.
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24/11/2020 17:38:47 27 7
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Andy Burnham is the one doing most damage to The North (and stirring up resentment).
All in the pursuit of the greater good...................for Andy Burnham
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24/11/2020 17:39:19 6 3
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And here's another mess that's happened on Burnham's watch; the Greater Manchester Spatial Framework. 3 iterations in the past 10 years and Stockport still won't sign up. It's a plan that lacks ambition and will not level up the playing field. Why? Because its driven by comprise and the tail wagging the dog, so everything is driven down to the lowest common denominator. Result is rubbish, Andy
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24/11/2020 17:19:04 16 6
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This man is using North/South devide to fuel his political aims and should not be trusted and I live in North!!!!
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24/11/2020 17:41:07 7 5
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Andy Burnham is doing himself and the north no favours. it is obvious the government have not covered themselves in glory during this crisis but who would have done? Non stop whining is not the answer. The media think they know it all but at some stage the government has to be allowed to govern and yes they will make more mistakes.
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24/11/2020 17:42:47 7 7
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Burn ham is an idiot, if he hadn't tried to play politics with the lockdown less would have suffered. At the end of the day he's a labour fool,through and through. His own aim is to up himself
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24/11/2020 17:43:49 8 4
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so says the southerners and londonstans
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24/11/2020 17:43:17 4 9
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andy burnham has been told by boris he doesnt matter any longer as the south has now taken control of the northern powerhouse and chucked it in the thames,its not complete tory dictat from london and the south and the new northern mps better not kick up a fuss while boris is dictating to them,you voted tory now expect tory rule from westminster and all your needs ignored unless you beg for them
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24/11/2020 18:53:00 0 1
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Can you write in sentences?
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24/11/2020 17:16:35 8 11
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Andy Burnham is doing a great job. The Government knows very little about Greater Manchester and cares even less. It's time that they learned to have more respect for local politicians and their local knowledge. Look at the mess centralisation made of the Test and Trace affair and the money thrown away on it, so much gone to private firms with political connections.
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24/11/2020 17:43:28 5 3
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You have a point about track and trace but Burnham is only interested in his own political aspirations and like Trump if you say it enough people start to believe it, when in reality he is talking b-----ks most of the time
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24/11/2020 18:43:15 1 0
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Hardly b-----ks to want support for business owners forced by the Government to shut down!
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24/11/2020 17:42:47 7 7
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Burn ham is an idiot, if he hadn't tried to play politics with the lockdown less would have suffered. At the end of the day he's a labour fool,through and through. His own aim is to up himself
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24/11/2020 17:43:49 8 4
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so says the southerners and londonstans
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24/11/2020 17:46:06 0 1
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No neither
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24/11/2020 17:44:22 10 6
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Is Andy Burnham the BBC's new poster boy now that Jezza' gone??
And he dresses like Michael Foot.....is that to give him more lefty street cred?
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24/11/2020 17:43:49 8 4
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so says the southerners and londonstans
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24/11/2020 17:46:06 0 1
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No neither
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24/11/2020 17:50:47 1 1
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your all tories now hahaha
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24/11/2020 17:49:23 2 8
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northern people now under tory rule from westminster,would you ever believe they would sell their souls to the tory elite,wait till brexit bites and their jobs tumble with no support from the boris brigade,well done the north you were conned by a 3 word slogan and corbyn couldnt be your choice,you had no other choice but to believe boris now your stuck with him,good luck when he says xxxx business
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24/11/2020 18:51:52 1 1
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An illiterate rant.
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24/11/2020 17:46:06 0 1
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No neither
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24/11/2020 17:50:47 1 1
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your all tories now hahaha
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24/11/2020 17:51:26 16 3
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There's are reasons Andy Burnham failed to convince Labour party members to elect him leader, twice!
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24/11/2020 16:46:32 159 24
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Worse than the 1980s??? Remember Derek Hatton in Liverpool? Let's not start all this class warfare sh*te again. We've got enough problems, Andy.
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24/11/2020 17:51:40 20 6
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Well said, sir, and let me add the mess Labour left behind in 1979? Rubbish piled up in streets, bodies in temporary morgues, Arthur Scargill running the government by proxy while smiling Jim Callaghan pretended everything was OK, all on Labours watch. Get real Burnham
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24/11/2020 17:55:08 10 6
bbc
What do you mean 'since the 1980s?'? It's never stopped, Faisal!

The North has never recovered since the steel, shipbuilding and textile industries were sold off by the Tories.

New Labour building 1000's of call centres and warehouses on the old spots isn't progress; it's an insult to those skilled communities!

And still the London elite honestly cannot understand why the North voted Leave!
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24/11/2020 17:59:36 2 9
bbc
But you've just said that all the problems the North faces (though it was beginning to have a re-birth) are the fault of successive UK governments so nothing to do with the UK. Yet you vote to leave, knowing (or you should have done) that that would damage the North more than the South?

Do you do a lot of self-harm up there?
86
24/11/2020 18:14:25 1 3
bbc
Those in the North, who voted Leave, did so out of spite and envy. Therefore when they become poorer, due to their selfish vote, they will have nobody to blame but themselves.
106
24/11/2020 18:51:22 1 1
bbc
The old industries were struggling to survive against low cost foreign competition. Look at what happened to heavy industry in other Western countries. To say they were 'sold off' by the Tories is a left wing myth, like believing in the bogeyman.
31
24/11/2020 17:05:05 44 123
bbc
Its Class Warfare all right - and the Tories started it !!!
68
24/11/2020 17:56:15 18 5
bbc
So what about Scargill, Hatton, Militant etc? These communists tried to bring this country to its knees and turn us into a Soviet. Scargill meanwhile exploited the miners for his own personal gain and made £millions out of them, what hypocrisy! Consequently Burnham is talking b-----ks.
277
25/11/2020 09:04:12 4 0
bbc
And whilst we're on the point about the pits, how many did Labour reopen? None. Benefits were good enough for the Midlands and North.
69
24/11/2020 17:57:21 4 1
bbc
Money only solves problems if you use it wisely

If you give it to people who have a history of never using it wisely what results do you expect to get?

There are a group people for whom riches appear to have been used self-destructively and they die early because of drug misuse or similar

What make anyone believe this wouldn't have been their fate if they had worked in Tesco's?
70
24/11/2020 17:57:50 36 7
bbc
Not like Andy Burham talking down the North. This is the same guy who supported Blair and his privatisation of the NHS ....called PFI....if he’s not winging he is not speaking
78
24/11/2020 18:03:51 25 9
bbc
He also held up reports into excess deaths at North Staffs NHS trust for political gain. What a man.
67
24/11/2020 17:55:08 10 6
bbc
What do you mean 'since the 1980s?'? It's never stopped, Faisal!

The North has never recovered since the steel, shipbuilding and textile industries were sold off by the Tories.

New Labour building 1000's of call centres and warehouses on the old spots isn't progress; it's an insult to those skilled communities!

And still the London elite honestly cannot understand why the North voted Leave!
71
24/11/2020 17:59:36 2 9
bbc
But you've just said that all the problems the North faces (though it was beginning to have a re-birth) are the fault of successive UK governments so nothing to do with the UK. Yet you vote to leave, knowing (or you should have done) that that would damage the North more than the South?

Do you do a lot of self-harm up there?
72
24/11/2020 18:00:34 11 4
bbc
What is it about the failed politicians who become mayors that they can’t just get on with their job, rather than always looking to be in the headlines?
73
24/11/2020 18:00:36 14 4
bbc
Look closer to home Burnham!
Manchester University students have suffered "inequality" worse than any other UK student population.
They have been lied to, ripped off, double crossed, locked up under false house arrest in their flats, intimidated by MIB security guards, imprisoned behind steel fences and generally treated like criminals, with no rights.
A disgrace.
90
24/11/2020 18:19:10 4 8
bbc
And since when were universities devolved to the mayors to manage. You want to be speaking to Michelle Donelan - whos, wait for it, is a tory minister.
74
24/11/2020 18:00:43 8 6
bbc
Usual ‘blather’ from another failed Labour MP. probably thinks his job is to make the BBC feel good. Covid 19 is affecting all of us, not just those individuals living in Greater Manchester. Obviously worried Boris is going to do something positive about levelling up. Failed Labour leadership candidate, failing Mayor
82
24/11/2020 18:12:09 2 4
bbc
Levelling up? Lol. You must be very gullible. ??
18
24/11/2020 16:42:23 111 21
bbc
This article seems to be a party political broadcast on behalf of the Andy Burnham Party!
75
24/11/2020 18:01:37 50 12
bbc
Look closer to home Burnham!
Manchester University students have suffered "inequality" worse than any other UK student population.
They have been lied to, ripped off, double crossed, locked up under false house arrest in their flats, intimidated by MIB security guards, imprisoned behind steel fences and generally treated like criminals, with no rights.
A disgrace.
220
24/11/2020 23:36:15 8 1
bbc
You say it’s a disgrace, they deserve to be treated like criminals for the way they have behaved. Call themselves adults doubt whether there is a brain between them. I do think that all students that have broken Covid 19 rules should be banned from Uni for life, they are immature, self centred and inconsiderate to other people.
236
25/11/2020 06:52:19 4 2
bbc
bloody hooligans
76
24/11/2020 18:03:28 12 5
bbc
We sadly live in times where polarisation seems the keynote: leave v remain, unionism v nationalism, left v right. Andy Burnham's contribution ? Let's whip up a bit of North-South hatred. I appreciate that Labour need to repair divisions between them and their traditional voter base in the North, but the man is just a sad chancer.
49
24/11/2020 17:16:35 8 11
bbc
Andy Burnham is doing a great job. The Government knows very little about Greater Manchester and cares even less. It's time that they learned to have more respect for local politicians and their local knowledge. Look at the mess centralisation made of the Test and Trace affair and the money thrown away on it, so much gone to private firms with political connections.
77
24/11/2020 18:03:39 0 0
bbc
If memory serves me right, the act of parachuting in candidates during a general election was at its height during the failed Blair and Brown premierships.
70
24/11/2020 17:57:50 36 7
bbc
Not like Andy Burham talking down the North. This is the same guy who supported Blair and his privatisation of the NHS ....called PFI....if he’s not winging he is not speaking
78
24/11/2020 18:03:51 25 9
bbc
He also held up reports into excess deaths at North Staffs NHS trust for political gain. What a man.
9
24/11/2020 16:32:48 116 29
bbc
Put a sock in it Burnham, it's not about you.
79
24/11/2020 18:03:51 48 11
bbc
Quite right.
Big respect to Andy Burnham in how he took up the cause and went about helping to get justice for the 96.
Was that the peak of his political career?
Ever since, he has been a bit of a muppet quite frankly.
80
24/11/2020 18:04:53 5 8
bbc
Maybe Mr Burnham is trying to deflect attention from his own parties infighting.
81
24/11/2020 18:08:04 13 5
bbc
Please tell Burnham to stop whining all the time. I live in the north btw.
74
24/11/2020 18:00:43 8 6
bbc
Usual ‘blather’ from another failed Labour MP. probably thinks his job is to make the BBC feel good. Covid 19 is affecting all of us, not just those individuals living in Greater Manchester. Obviously worried Boris is going to do something positive about levelling up. Failed Labour leadership candidate, failing Mayor
82
24/11/2020 18:12:09 2 4
bbc
Levelling up? Lol. You must be very gullible. ??
104
24/11/2020 18:47:08 0 1
bbc
You are simply very cynical.
83
24/11/2020 18:12:14 12 7
bbc
I live in Manchester.

Don't blame us; we didn't vote for him. The turnout was pathetic.

Nobody here wanted a highly paid Mayor, to just blame other highly paid politicians, with none of them taking responsibility for anything and them all denying accountability for everything.

Devolution never works.

Boris did tell the truth.
89
24/11/2020 18:18:10 4 10
bbc
I agree with you on the mayors. But no, Boris doesn't tell the truth. Never has, not going to start now.
84
24/11/2020 18:12:16 35 3
bbc
I think these metro mayors are a completely unnecessary level of governance and a waste of public money. Bit like Police and Crime Commissioners.
85
24/11/2020 18:12:52 19 6
bbc
What a surprise Andy Burnham Labour trying to convince us that the people of the North should put their faith in Labour, let me think, oh yeah Labour couldn't care about the North, they have taken the North for granted and believe that holding London is way more important. I don't think COrbyn and Abbott and the rest of the labour know where the north was in the last election.
67
24/11/2020 17:55:08 10 6
bbc
What do you mean 'since the 1980s?'? It's never stopped, Faisal!

The North has never recovered since the steel, shipbuilding and textile industries were sold off by the Tories.

New Labour building 1000's of call centres and warehouses on the old spots isn't progress; it's an insult to those skilled communities!

And still the London elite honestly cannot understand why the North voted Leave!
86
24/11/2020 18:14:25 1 3
bbc
Those in the North, who voted Leave, did so out of spite and envy. Therefore when they become poorer, due to their selfish vote, they will have nobody to blame but themselves.
92
24/11/2020 18:20:16 4 1
bbc
And those that voted in the south?
From your comments you just don't like that the majority view was not yours. Jog on loser.
87
Dee
24/11/2020 18:14:36 6 4
bbc
Even before COVID, TFL was going bankrupt. What kind of company operates a business model where over 60s go free, children go free, those who hop on to the bus from the rear go free & those who do pay are charged £1.50? Who’s paying the running costs? With COVID, working from home & home deliveries looking permanent, who will travel on London buses anyway?
88
24/11/2020 18:17:59 6 2
bbc
Obviously you wanted to get this off your chest, but what's it got to do with either the North or Burnham ?
105
24/11/2020 18:48:04 1 0
bbc
Here is the link to TFL's Annual Report.

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-annual-report-2019-20.pdf

Please can you show people where it indicates TFL were going bankrupt.
87
Dee
24/11/2020 18:14:36 6 4
bbc
Even before COVID, TFL was going bankrupt. What kind of company operates a business model where over 60s go free, children go free, those who hop on to the bus from the rear go free & those who do pay are charged £1.50? Who’s paying the running costs? With COVID, working from home & home deliveries looking permanent, who will travel on London buses anyway?
88
24/11/2020 18:17:59 6 2
bbc
Obviously you wanted to get this off your chest, but what's it got to do with either the North or Burnham ?
83
24/11/2020 18:12:14 12 7
bbc
I live in Manchester.

Don't blame us; we didn't vote for him. The turnout was pathetic.

Nobody here wanted a highly paid Mayor, to just blame other highly paid politicians, with none of them taking responsibility for anything and them all denying accountability for everything.

Devolution never works.

Boris did tell the truth.
89
24/11/2020 18:18:10 4 10
bbc
I agree with you on the mayors. But no, Boris doesn't tell the truth. Never has, not going to start now.
103
24/11/2020 18:46:01 1 2
bbc
And who in politics does tell the truth? Corbyn? Starmer?
219
24/11/2020 23:29:31 0 0
bbc
Google what Johnson genuinely thinks about people from Liverpool, Africa and pretty much any ethnic group, and you'll get an insight into his version of truth
73
24/11/2020 18:00:36 14 4
bbc
Look closer to home Burnham!
Manchester University students have suffered "inequality" worse than any other UK student population.
They have been lied to, ripped off, double crossed, locked up under false house arrest in their flats, intimidated by MIB security guards, imprisoned behind steel fences and generally treated like criminals, with no rights.
A disgrace.
90
24/11/2020 18:19:10 4 8
bbc
And since when were universities devolved to the mayors to manage. You want to be speaking to Michelle Donelan - whos, wait for it, is a tory minister.
91
24/11/2020 18:19:22 6 4
bbc
And what makes him think he has the right to speak for the North?
Total oxygen thief
94
24/11/2020 18:22:37 4 8
bbc
So you are quite happy to let some, out of touch, upper class twit, speak for the North, eh.
You must be proud of yourself, for falling for their lies Baaaa....
86
24/11/2020 18:14:25 1 3
bbc
Those in the North, who voted Leave, did so out of spite and envy. Therefore when they become poorer, due to their selfish vote, they will have nobody to blame but themselves.
92
24/11/2020 18:20:16 4 1
bbc
And those that voted in the south?
From your comments you just don't like that the majority view was not yours. Jog on loser.
93
24/11/2020 18:21:27 2 5
bbc
Maybe Rashford can chip in with a few quid
95
24/11/2020 18:23:47 5 1
bbc
I think you'll find he already has - 30% of his earnings in April, and further contribution to his school meals scheme.
91
24/11/2020 18:19:22 6 4
bbc
And what makes him think he has the right to speak for the North?
Total oxygen thief
94
24/11/2020 18:22:37 4 8
bbc
So you are quite happy to let some, out of touch, upper class twit, speak for the North, eh.
You must be proud of yourself, for falling for their lies Baaaa....
98
24/11/2020 18:36:51 4 3
bbc
???
He's a useless Mayor of Manchester, now based on my knowledge of geography, that is but one town. It most certainly does not represent the North.
He jumped out of his MP job to try and look important in the Mayors job.
A job that is a waste of time. Just like him.
101
24/11/2020 18:44:14 3 2
bbc
There are plenty of upper class people in Labour, some of whom try to pretend they have a deprived background.
93
24/11/2020 18:21:27 2 5
bbc
Maybe Rashford can chip in with a few quid
95
24/11/2020 18:23:47 5 1
bbc
I think you'll find he already has - 30% of his earnings in April, and further contribution to his school meals scheme.
96
24/11/2020 18:25:18 4 4
bbc
The same Andy Burnham referred to in the Labour party report regarding the 2015 campaign as "Team Failure".
Considered too far to the left.
Yep, well thought of within his own Party. Said no one ever.
52
24/11/2020 17:36:26 15 2
bbc
Such a skewed view of the north, perpetuated by a southern media obsessed with portraying the north as uniformly grim. Sure, the north has more than its fair share of deprived areas, esp in the post-industrial heartlands along the M62, but there's also plenty of affluence spread across large swathes of Yorkshire, Lancashire, Cheshire, Cumbria, Northumberland etc, not to mention lovely countryside.
97
24/11/2020 18:29:22 0 0
bbc
Well said. Shame it constantly needs saying.
94
24/11/2020 18:22:37 4 8
bbc
So you are quite happy to let some, out of touch, upper class twit, speak for the North, eh.
You must be proud of yourself, for falling for their lies Baaaa....
98
24/11/2020 18:36:51 4 3
bbc
???
He's a useless Mayor of Manchester, now based on my knowledge of geography, that is but one town. It most certainly does not represent the North.
He jumped out of his MP job to try and look important in the Mayors job.
A job that is a waste of time. Just like him.
99
24/11/2020 18:42:11 2 1
bbc
And what makes him think he has the right to speak for the North?

I will presume you typed that didn't you, doesn't it say North.......??

Methinks you doth protest too much..
98
24/11/2020 18:36:51 4 3
bbc
???
He's a useless Mayor of Manchester, now based on my knowledge of geography, that is but one town. It most certainly does not represent the North.
He jumped out of his MP job to try and look important in the Mayors job.
A job that is a waste of time. Just like him.
99
24/11/2020 18:42:11 2 1
bbc
And what makes him think he has the right to speak for the North?

I will presume you typed that didn't you, doesn't it say North.......??

Methinks you doth protest too much..
164
24/11/2020 20:04:02 0 1
bbc
Me thinks you're infatuated with the failure.
He can speak for Manchester, but he doesn't speak for us on the right side of the hill.
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24/11/2020 17:43:28 5 3
bbc
You have a point about track and trace but Burnham is only interested in his own political aspirations and like Trump if you say it enough people start to believe it, when in reality he is talking b-----ks most of the time
100
24/11/2020 18:43:15 1 0
bbc
Hardly b-----ks to want support for business owners forced by the Government to shut down!