Deaths in UK 'a fifth higher than normal levels'
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Nearly 14,000 deaths occurred in the week ending 13 November - with 3,000 linked to Covid.
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Does this take into account the population increase over 5 years ?
There's an issue with counting deaths 'linked to Covid'. I have been asked by a doctor if I want paperwork 'rushing through', then they will happily put Covid as a reason - even if it wasn't. The figures can not be trusted I'm afraid.
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Don't forget they get £150 for every Covid death certificate
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Well, when you make a statement claiming a doctor asked you that question, you are going to have to back that up with some specifics, like the doctor's name and the deceased person that this related to. This is a serious accusation against the medical profession.
That is a very serious accusation. Are you sure it is true? What paper work? Presumably you were ill. Was the doctor saying he/she would say you had COVID to get you an early appointment. How would that work? Why would the doctor risk his career to do that?
It doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense.
You need to get the GMC involved in this. And the police. Falsifying official documents is a serious thing. They'll need evidence and such like...
This is another prime example of a deliberate lie being told to try to influence public opinion. People making this sort of accusation publicly should not be allowed anonymity. Let them post the actual evidence.
It also disturbs me the number of up-votes it has been given. I suspect the ERG Tory Bots are hard at work!
It also disturbs me the number of up-votes it has been given. I suspect the ERG Tory Bots are hard at work!
This is why Boris Johnson and his cabinet need to be put on trial. We need a Nurembery McCarthy hearing styled national trial in the UK Supreme Court.
We had 2 months to prepare for COVID, and they did nothing. They allowed a torrent of infections back in February and March, which as an island this country could easily have stopped at the airport.
We had 2 months to prepare for COVID, and they did nothing. They allowed a torrent of infections back in February and March, which as an island this country could easily have stopped at the airport.
There's an issue with counting deaths 'linked to Covid'. I have been asked by a doctor if I want paperwork 'rushing through', then they will happily put Covid as a reason - even if it wasn't. The figures can not be trusted I'm afraid.
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Good point! The lack of empathy to those who are old or have underlying health issues by large swathes of the public is eye-openingly shocking. I thought we were a progressive and forward thinking nation, instead I now think we are more inclined to be a self-centered vile bunch. We are now obsessed with the material and are losing touch with what it is to be human.
They had covid on the death certificates, but that doesn't matter to you does it? You want to be there at every autopsy no doubt!
The NHS core is shut down because of fools who deny that covid is a risk and flout the rules, blame them, but that would mean looking in the mirror and that will never happen, what blame yourself....?
The NHS core is shut down because of fools who deny that covid is a risk and flout the rules, blame them, but that would mean looking in the mirror and that will never happen, what blame yourself....?
My mother in law died of Covid.
She spent spring and summer in strict lockdown and when she went out in September she had become much weaker and less conditioned.As a result she fell broke her hip ,a chain of events followed were she failed to recover properly then developed sepsis on the day she ought to have gone home ,within a week death.
Cause of death “lockdown” alas they refused to put that
She spent spring and summer in strict lockdown and when she went out in September she had become much weaker and less conditioned.As a result she fell broke her hip ,a chain of events followed were she failed to recover properly then developed sepsis on the day she ought to have gone home ,within a week death.
Cause of death “lockdown” alas they refused to put that
Ay 82, the average age at death tells you all you need to know - the world is in the middle of destroying lives to save those dying from natural causes anyway.
Or are the far greater numbers dying as a result of GP neglect, cancelled operations, fear of attending A&E and the inevitable abject poverty caused by mass unemployment not matter as much?
Or are the far greater numbers dying as a result of GP neglect, cancelled operations, fear of attending A&E and the inevitable abject poverty caused by mass unemployment not matter as much?
Damn. I never have any clue who is joking and who is serious anymore. That's a pretty good measurement of just how weird people have become!
No stats as yet but there will certainly be afterwards. Poverty causes deaths which is a fact and the governments actions are creating more poverty with their approach. There is an alternative but they will not listen and are censoring legitimate alternatives......now why would they do that?
Poverty is one bad outcome, also deaths from all other ailments not getting diagnosed or treated.
Poverty is one bad outcome, also deaths from all other ailments not getting diagnosed or treated.
We should raise a glass to the fact that only 2,838 of the deaths (out of a Total 14,000 deaths) involved the Covid-19 virus. That is approx 20%. What BBC Reality and Fact Check should do is publish what were the causes of the other deaths eg heart failure, cancer, kidney failure, liver disease, drug overdose, suicide.
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Excess deaths.
Can we also look into how many of these excess deaths were as a result of shutting down all services (eg cardiology, cancer, diabetic clinic, lung disease clinic, transplant etc).
All nations say they don't want to get to a point where they have to chose who to save, that choice has already been made by shutting down other essential NHS care.
Can we also look into how many of these excess deaths were as a result of shutting down all services (eg cardiology, cancer, diabetic clinic, lung disease clinic, transplant etc).
All nations say they don't want to get to a point where they have to chose who to save, that choice has already been made by shutting down other essential NHS care.
The key fact is that only 2,838 of the deaths (out of a Total 14,000 deaths) involved the Covid-19 virus. That is approx 20%. What BBC Reality and Fact Check should do is publish what were the causes of the other deaths eg heart failure, cancer, kidney failure, liver disease, drug overdose, suicide.
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The key fact is that only 2,838 of the deaths (out of a Total 14,000 deaths) involved the Covid-19 virus. That is approx 20%. What BBC Reality and Fact Check should do is publish what were the causes of all the other deaths - for example they may have been heart failure, cancer, kidney failure, liver disease, drug overdose, suicide.
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All of this data is published in the usual places.
Exactly.
The vast majority of deaths accredited to covid this year were people that would have died regardless, not that you'll read this anywhere in the media.
The vast majority of deaths accredited to covid this year were people that would have died regardless, not that you'll read this anywhere in the media.
You are wrong
A man fell off a ladder last week and died from his injuries He was found to be Covid positive - his death was put down to the virus. This is happening all over the country
Almost all of the 85 year olds who have died from the virus would probably have died from 'normal' flu
Only 357 people under the age of 60 have died from the virus in the UK and most of those had health issues
A man fell off a ladder last week and died from his injuries He was found to be Covid positive - his death was put down to the virus. This is happening all over the country
Almost all of the 85 year olds who have died from the virus would probably have died from 'normal' flu
Only 357 people under the age of 60 have died from the virus in the UK and most of those had health issues
BORIS: WHY HAVE YOU NOT SACKED PRITI PATEL.
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Cos she's smokin hot.
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History often repeats itself... Hancock - Goebbels
When will HE and this utter disaster in government, with the highest death toll in EUROPE on their watch, be held to account for sending untested covid patients INTO CARE HOMES, in turn causing 40 per cent of the covid death toll so far????????
What if it were YOU or one of YOURS? Shame of a nation, isn't it?
When will HE and this utter disaster in government, with the highest death toll in EUROPE on their watch, be held to account for sending untested covid patients INTO CARE HOMES, in turn causing 40 per cent of the covid death toll so far????????
What if it were YOU or one of YOURS? Shame of a nation, isn't it?
BORIS: WHY HAVE YOU NOT SACKED PRITI PATEL.
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History often repeats itself... Hancock - Goebbels
When will HE and this utter disaster in government, with the highest death toll in EUROPE on their watch, be held to account for sending untested covid patients INTO CARE HOMES, in turn causing 40 per cent of the covid death toll so far????????
What if it were YOU or one of YOURS? Shame of a nation, isn't it?
When will HE and this utter disaster in government, with the highest death toll in EUROPE on their watch, be held to account for sending untested covid patients INTO CARE HOMES, in turn causing 40 per cent of the covid death toll so far????????
What if it were YOU or one of YOURS? Shame of a nation, isn't it?
Govt statistics only include those diagnosed with covid and dying within 28 days so inevitably many like myself who had covid early on and couldn't get tested as there was no testing were and are excluded
For myself, rushed to hospital in May and in July TWICE kept in Intensive Care and now struggling daily at home, if I die it won't be because of covid but my heart going. That is clearly covid
For myself, rushed to hospital in May and in July TWICE kept in Intensive Care and now struggling daily at home, if I die it won't be because of covid but my heart going. That is clearly covid
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The current format of this forum, defaulting to “Highest Rated”, distorts the general opinion. It accentuates a few single points (mob rule!), relegates less popular ideas, works against new ideas and suppresses plurality of viewpoints.
The “Highest Rated” should be dropped, or at least become non-default, and I’m going to spam the Beeb until they get it right, and hope everyone else will too. Removed
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Hang on I'll get my chart.............Now which one shall I use..... that one will do it's an old index chart from my stock market days.
To all those whining about having to be in lockdown. You know it's your fault right? People with a surprisingly low IQ doing what people with low IQ do - spread rumours, disease, prejudice and fear of everything.
I feel a little sorry for you all and admittedly a little smug too because this seems to have affected those who won't use common sense far more than it's affected me. Pretty funny.
I feel a little sorry for you all and admittedly a little smug too because this seems to have affected those who won't use common sense far more than it's affected me. Pretty funny.
You have to know all these plastic hard nuts calling other peoples losses 'too bad'. They'd be the first to scream out for help if they or theirs got sick. It's always their types who do. For me I hope it happens to them instead of somebody decent. We should really try hard and keep the decent ones around, it makes for a much better place.??
A Global Health Pass is already being trialled and promoted by the World Economic Forum.
www.weforum.org/videos/common-pass-travelling-the-world-in-the-covid-era
Six months ago anybody saying this was coming would have been called a conspiracy theorist.
www.weforum.org/videos/common-pass-travelling-the-world-in-the-covid-era
Six months ago anybody saying this was coming would have been called a conspiracy theorist.
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A more probable reason for these excess deaths is ...
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Not going to be found by someone like you....
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A more probable reason for these excess deaths is ...
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Im not convinced that your moniker is particularly accurate. In the same way that those who self identify as ‘a bit of a comedian’ seldom are.
Germany has a population of 86 million, the UK 65 million. They are surrounded by other nations, we are an Island.
The Germans have had a mere 14.000 Covid deaths compared to our horrendous 56,000 death toll- that works out per capita to 825 deaths per million in the UK to Germany's 174 deaths per million.
How can this be?... it's not even in the same universe! Tories are the SHAME of Europe!
The Germans have had a mere 14.000 Covid deaths compared to our horrendous 56,000 death toll- that works out per capita to 825 deaths per million in the UK to Germany's 174 deaths per million.
How can this be?... it's not even in the same universe! Tories are the SHAME of Europe!