Deaths in UK 'a fifth higher than normal levels'
24/11/2020 | news | health | 1,780
Nearly 14,000 deaths occurred in the week ending 13 November - with 3,000 linked to Covid.
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24/11/2020 12:03:03 112 27
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Does this take into account the population increase over 5 years ?
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24/11/2020 12:11:55 6 1
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What is it with you and names?

Are you suffering an episode?
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There's an issue with counting deaths 'linked to Covid'. I have been asked by a doctor if I want paperwork 'rushing through', then they will happily put Covid as a reason - even if it wasn't. The figures can not be trusted I'm afraid. Removed
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24/11/2020 12:23:13 18 11
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Well, when you make a statement claiming a doctor asked you that question, you are going to have to back that up with some specifics, like the doctor's name and the deceased person that this related to. This is a serious accusation against the medical profession.
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24/11/2020 12:50:56 8 1
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That is a very serious accusation. Are you sure it is true? What paper work? Presumably you were ill. Was the doctor saying he/she would say you had COVID to get you an early appointment. How would that work? Why would the doctor risk his career to do that?

It doesn't make sense.
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24/11/2020 12:53:48 5 0
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You need to get the GMC involved in this. And the police. Falsifying official documents is a serious thing. They'll need evidence and such like...
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24/11/2020 14:21:34 0 0
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Contact the health secretary for an explanation.
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24/11/2020 14:22:22 2 1
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This is another prime example of a deliberate lie being told to try to influence public opinion. People making this sort of accusation publicly should not be allowed anonymity. Let them post the actual evidence.

It also disturbs me the number of up-votes it has been given. I suspect the ERG Tory Bots are hard at work!
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24/11/2020 12:12:10 6 18
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This is why Boris Johnson and his cabinet need to be put on trial. We need a Nurembery McCarthy hearing styled national trial in the UK Supreme Court.

We had 2 months to prepare for COVID, and they did nothing. They allowed a torrent of infections back in February and March, which as an island this country could easily have stopped at the airport.
They also put untested Covid patents into carehomes (same as in Scotland) and sent untested students all over the country spreading the virus into every corner of the nation. Funny you mention Nuremburg... because the final solution springs to mind. Removed
There's an issue with counting deaths 'linked to Covid'. I have been asked by a doctor if I want paperwork 'rushing through', then they will happily put Covid as a reason - even if it wasn't. The figures can not be trusted I'm afraid. Removed
Don't forget they get £150 for every Covid death certificate Removed
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24/11/2020 12:11:32 4 6
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Nobody says that. What they do say is that 80%of deaths are not covid related, and covid related deaths are not all OF covid.
Stop scaremongering and get the risk into proportion please!!!!
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24/11/2020 12:23:44 1 3
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Thanks for the insult - it shows that you are rude as well as unable to assess risk and have list the argument. Cheers.
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24/11/2020 12:27:32 10 6
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Can we have some real journalism? How about questioning the figures. YTD 83% of Covid related deaths are for people over 70. How many had underlying health conditions? Was Covid a contribution or just a trace in the body?
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24/11/2020 12:46:08 1 0
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Good point! The lack of empathy to those who are old or have underlying health issues by large swathes of the public is eye-openingly shocking. I thought we were a progressive and forward thinking nation, instead I now think we are more inclined to be a self-centered vile bunch. We are now obsessed with the material and are losing touch with what it is to be human.
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24/11/2020 12:27:03 6 14
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THUMBS UP if you believe that the governments actions are in the genuine interest of the UK population.

THUMBS DOWN if you don't.
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24/11/2020 12:11:55 6 1
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What is it with you and names?

Are you suffering an episode?
I hate your name and if I could I would hunt you down and give you some options to choose from, so you could change it to something less rubbish. There are literally dozens to choose from. Removed
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24/11/2020 12:34:24 77 90
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They had covid on the death certificates, but that doesn't matter to you does it? You want to be there at every autopsy no doubt!
The NHS core is shut down because of fools who deny that covid is a risk and flout the rules, blame them, but that would mean looking in the mirror and that will never happen, what blame yourself....?
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you should stop smoking that stuff your delusional.
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24/11/2020 12:42:59 4 6
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I wonder if the covidiots claiming this data shows that lockdowns are disproportionate, realise that their argument actually highlighting that lockdowns are effect way to reduce deaths .

Probably not
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24/11/2020 12:18:29 236 53
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My mother in law died of Covid.
She spent spring and summer in strict lockdown and when she went out in September she had become much weaker and less conditioned.As a result she fell broke her hip ,a chain of events followed were she failed to recover properly then developed sepsis on the day she ought to have gone home ,within a week death.
Cause of death “lockdown” alas they refused to put that
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24/11/2020 13:09:56 8 4
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menzies: tasteless, insensitive comment.
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24/11/2020 12:34:47 1 10
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Just keep the lockdown in place till the vaccine is fully rolled out and has been proven to work. Also the case, death and R rates have all fallen to zero and have stayed at zero for three months.
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24/11/2020 12:15:06 551 155
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Ay 82, the average age at death tells you all you need to know - the world is in the middle of destroying lives to save those dying from natural causes anyway.
Or are the far greater numbers dying as a result of GP neglect, cancelled operations, fear of attending A&E and the inevitable abject poverty caused by mass unemployment not matter as much?
Fantastic provision of 'evidence' there. Got some stats to support that? No? Is that because you made it up, or because you are a russian troll? Or both? Or just a poorly educated conspiracy theorist? Removed
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24/11/2020 13:17:27 17 2
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Damn. I never have any clue who is joking and who is serious anymore. That's a pretty good measurement of just how weird people have become!
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24/11/2020 14:08:03 6 1
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No stats as yet but there will certainly be afterwards. Poverty causes deaths which is a fact and the governments actions are creating more poverty with their approach. There is an alternative but they will not listen and are censoring legitimate alternatives......now why would they do that?
Poverty is one bad outcome, also deaths from all other ailments not getting diagnosed or treated.
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24/11/2020 12:14:25 37 28
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I know of one Covid recorded death last week, where the old dear died of a heart attack. Um, so, yes, the stats are misleading.
you know of one yet still at least 12 morons at the time of me writing gave a thumbs down...that says all you need to know about the sheep who will throw themselves off a cliff when asked to do so. Removed
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24/11/2020 13:09:55 4 2
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Oh for honest journalists who actually report the facts, good or bad, without their own political or point scoring bias, enabling the public to read an unbiased view. But their again this is a Biased Broadcasting Corporate site !
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We should raise a glass to the fact that only 2,838 of the deaths (out of a Total 14,000 deaths) involved the Covid-19 virus. That is approx 20%. What BBC Reality and Fact Check should do is publish what were the causes of the other deaths eg heart failure, cancer, kidney failure, liver disease, drug overdose, suicide. Removed
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24/11/2020 12:13:22 704 123
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Excess deaths.

Can we also look into how many of these excess deaths were as a result of shutting down all services (eg cardiology, cancer, diabetic clinic, lung disease clinic, transplant etc).

All nations say they don't want to get to a point where they have to chose who to save, that choice has already been made by shutting down other essential NHS care.
The key fact is that only 2,838 of the deaths (out of a Total 14,000 deaths) involved the Covid-19 virus. That is approx 20%. What BBC Reality and Fact Check should do is publish what were the causes of the other deaths eg heart failure, cancer, kidney failure, liver disease, drug overdose, suicide. Removed
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The key fact is that only 2,838 of the deaths (out of a Total 14,000 deaths) involved the Covid-19 virus. That is approx 20%. What BBC Reality and Fact Check should do is publish what were the causes of all the other deaths - for example they may have been heart failure, cancer, kidney failure, liver disease, drug overdose, suicide. Removed
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24/11/2020 14:16:02 0 2
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All of this data is published in the usual places.
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24/11/2020 14:17:14 1 0
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Exactly.

The vast majority of deaths accredited to covid this year were people that would have died regardless, not that you'll read this anywhere in the media.
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24/11/2020 12:23:59 45 39
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You are wrong

A man fell off a ladder last week and died from his injuries He was found to be Covid positive - his death was put down to the virus. This is happening all over the country

Almost all of the 85 year olds who have died from the virus would probably have died from 'normal' flu

Only 357 people under the age of 60 have died from the virus in the UK and most of those had health issues
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BORIS: WHY HAVE YOU NOT SACKED PRITI PATEL. Removed
Cos she's smokin hot. Removed
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24/11/2020 14:23:43 9 4
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History often repeats itself... Hancock - Goebbels

When will HE and this utter disaster in government, with the highest death toll in EUROPE on their watch, be held to account for sending untested covid patients INTO CARE HOMES, in turn causing 40 per cent of the covid death toll so far????????

What if it were YOU or one of YOURS? Shame of a nation, isn't it?
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BORIS: WHY HAVE YOU NOT SACKED PRITI PATEL. Removed
Cos she's smokin hot. Removed
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24/11/2020 14:55:25 0 0
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Should of gone to SpecSavers!...
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24/11/2020 14:23:43 9 4
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History often repeats itself... Hancock - Goebbels

When will HE and this utter disaster in government, with the highest death toll in EUROPE on their watch, be held to account for sending untested covid patients INTO CARE HOMES, in turn causing 40 per cent of the covid death toll so far????????

What if it were YOU or one of YOURS? Shame of a nation, isn't it?
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24/11/2020 14:39:50 4 1
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Govt statistics only include those diagnosed with covid and dying within 28 days so inevitably many like myself who had covid early on and couldn't get tested as there was no testing were and are excluded

For myself, rushed to hospital in May and in July TWICE kept in Intensive Care and now struggling daily at home, if I die it won't be because of covid but my heart going. That is clearly covid
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The current format of this forum, defaulting to “Highest Rated”, distorts the general opinion. It accentuates a few single points (mob rule!), relegates less popular ideas, works against new ideas and suppresses plurality of viewpoints.

The “Highest Rated” should be dropped, or at least become non-default, and I’m going to spam the Beeb until they get it right, and hope everyone else will too.
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24/11/2020 15:05:24 4 1
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Hang on I'll get my chart.............Now which one shall I use..... that one will do it's an old index chart from my stock market days.
24/11/2020 15:36:09 2 5
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To all those whining about having to be in lockdown. You know it's your fault right? People with a surprisingly low IQ doing what people with low IQ do - spread rumours, disease, prejudice and fear of everything.

I feel a little sorry for you all and admittedly a little smug too because this seems to have affected those who won't use common sense far more than it's affected me. Pretty funny.
24/11/2020 15:42:41 3 1
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Don't forget poor eyesight??
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24/11/2020 15:56:57 3 2
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You have to know all these plastic hard nuts calling other peoples losses 'too bad'. They'd be the first to scream out for help if they or theirs got sick. It's always their types who do. For me I hope it happens to them instead of somebody decent. We should really try hard and keep the decent ones around, it makes for a much better place.??
24/11/2020 16:22:06 0 0
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Not only worst death toll but by association the absolute worst recovery rate - no wonder the govt don't mention that
Why do idiots like you keep making stuff up ????
"by association the absolute worst recovery rate"
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24/11/2020 16:39:41 2 3
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Don’t let your love of the media hype get in the way of facts that you don’t understand. 600 people did not die of Covid in the last day. It’s not true and it’s media scaremongering.
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24/11/2020 16:40:42 1 3
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"A funeral director I know" more made up crap from Captain Anti-NHS.
The truth is rattling you. Glad you know who I am, except you don't. I'll tell you who I aren't. I aren't a bullshit swallower like you are. Removed
24/11/2020 16:51:23 0 0
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Nah mate, there's no truth in anything you post. Get help, soon.
24/11/2020 17:46:15 0 0
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A Global Health Pass is already being trialled and promoted by the World Economic Forum.

www.weforum.org/videos/common-pass-travelling-the-world-in-the-covid-era

Six months ago anybody saying this was coming would have been called a conspiracy theorist.
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24/11/2020 17:39:59 0 1
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So if I had been diagnosed with Covid a month ago, suffered no symptoms, got on with my life, but today was run over and killed by a bus, I'd be a "Covid linked death"? Nonsense of the highest order.
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A more probable reason for these excess deaths is ...

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Not going to be found by someone like you....

Grow up.
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24/11/2020 18:05:14 0 0
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Im not convinced that your moniker is particularly accurate. In the same way that those who self identify as ‘a bit of a comedian’ seldom are.
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24/11/2020 21:00:16 6 4
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Germany has a population of 86 million, the UK 65 million. They are surrounded by other nations, we are an Island.

The Germans have had a mere 14.000 Covid deaths compared to our horrendous 56,000 death toll- that works out per capita to 825 deaths per million in the UK to Germany's 174 deaths per million.

How can this be?... it's not even in the same universe! Tories are the SHAME of Europe!
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