Wales are miles behind England - Jones
24/11/2020 | sport | rugbyunion | 953
Former captain Gwyn Jones believes Wales are "miles behind" England as the teams prepare to meet in the Autumn Nations Cup on Saturday.
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24/11/2020 09:48:29 2 2
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All on the day these games. Wales really need to look at the next generation now.
England have unbelievable depth and quality but they need to get selection bang on.
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Imo
24/11/2020 09:53:27 11 2
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agree, now is the time to build for the future with a new playing style. Better to get beaten by England in a meaningless tournament rather than in the 2 years before next RWC. It will be good experience for the next generation.
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24/11/2020 16:51:39 0 1
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Why doesn’t Eddie give this unbelievable depth a chance ?

Could of fielded a different starting XV v Georgia
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24/11/2020 09:48:29 2 2
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All on the day these games. Wales really need to look at the next generation now.
England have unbelievable depth and quality but they need to get selection bang on.
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Imo
24/11/2020 09:53:27 11 2
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agree, now is the time to build for the future with a new playing style. Better to get beaten by England in a meaningless tournament rather than in the 2 years before next RWC. It will be good experience for the next generation.
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24/11/2020 10:35:49 7 5
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Whenever Wales lose to England, its a meaningless tournament apparently, or else a moral victory.
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24/11/2020 09:55:37 134 15
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Bit misleading BBC. Main page you have Eddie Jones and Pivac as the picture, with the caption 'Wales are miles behind England - Jones', only for it to be Gwyn Jones... Clickbait if I ever saw it and disappointing.
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24/11/2020 10:45:09 55 5
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But sadly typical. The power of the press!
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24/11/2020 11:19:06 20 4
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The BBC do that sort of thing very frequently. They need to be held to account.
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24/11/2020 11:19:30 15 3
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I thought BBC were supposed to be objective??
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24/11/2020 11:57:16 5 5
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It says ex captain Jones as the headline now. Obviously not Eddie, although doesn’t narrow it down much. I was expecting it to be Ryan Jones
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24/11/2020 14:56:43 1 6
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Disagree, it was pretty obvious it wasn't Eddie
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24/11/2020 16:03:54 0 1
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Though it carries more clout coming from a welsh x captain saying that wales are miles behind England than eddy who says things about being better than the opposition a lot of the time. I’m Welsh btw and I agree with the piece ... we are miles behind ... yikes
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24/11/2020 16:23:57 0 2
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Not what I saw. “ Wales......” ex captain Jones.
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24/11/2020 10:00:46 12 4
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Of course we are. England have had the same coach and player group for around 5 years, Pivac has been there around 5 months (bit longer than that I know!)
I don't agree with all his selections, and I'm yet to be convinced that he's the right guy, but we'll see what shape we're in after this block of games.
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24/11/2020 12:09:34 1 1
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We need to get rid of him now, when we still have plenty of time before the next world cup.

Wins against Italy and Georgia in his first year in charge? It would be OK if we had seen some kind of progress, but there's nothing out there, and if we leave it another Six Nations, a summer tour, another autumn internationals? Then you have missed years of coaching.
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24/11/2020 10:01:18 20 4
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The same Dr. Gwyn who was a big critic of Warren Gatland and was banging the drum for Pivac and now he's got his wish and we are still in transition.
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24/11/2020 10:02:47 4 3
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He always talks sense.
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24/11/2020 10:03:46 8 3
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Good comments from Gwyn, Pivac plays attacking rufby so its time for biggar and 1/2P to go Liam has to be 15, patchell or of the like at 10. Most important is ball winning 7 i know we have some injuries and tips is a great player but not a turnover specialist so lots of penalties given away at the breakdown and we cant slow opposition ball down. i would rather see use lose building for the future
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24/11/2020 10:14:14 5 5
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Tips has to start if fit! Hopefully Navidi is in the mix but he's not played for a while.
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24/11/2020 12:36:58 1 1
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Agree. 3 years seems a long way off, but if you want players in the next WC with 30+ caps, you have to start now. It has to be thanks and goodbye to Biggar, North, 1/2P and several others. Pivac should have started this process during this competition and blooded a load of youth.
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24/11/2020 10:04:37 11 1
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i am in the wholesale changes camp. i think he needs to decide how they want to play and pick accordingly. they have some young talent and they can only get experience by playing so i think he needs to take risks in this tournament. i think it would pay dividends in the future.
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24/11/2020 10:22:13 5 2
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Agree to an extent, but needs to be balanced. Getting humiliated by a bad defeat won't do the young lads any good, but they do need to be brought in.
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Bob
24/11/2020 10:09:38 0 7
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CLICK BAIT

No one would be surprised if Eddie Jones said that.

Followed by a wound up Wales side beating England at the weekend.
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24/11/2020 10:52:49 3 1
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However, Eddie did not say it.
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24/11/2020 10:11:51 7 3
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There were times in the past where you'd have England as favourites but a Welsh win didn't seem inconceivable, especially if they had the Cardiff crowd, so never felt like a huge upset. This feels very different, just don't see where we can get parity at the moment.
Obviously it starts with selection, then we have to nail our own set piece. But even then I struggle to see how we keep in touch.
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24/11/2020 10:03:46 8 3
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Good comments from Gwyn, Pivac plays attacking rufby so its time for biggar and 1/2P to go Liam has to be 15, patchell or of the like at 10. Most important is ball winning 7 i know we have some injuries and tips is a great player but not a turnover specialist so lots of penalties given away at the breakdown and we cant slow opposition ball down. i would rather see use lose building for the future
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24/11/2020 10:14:14 5 5
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Tips has to start if fit! Hopefully Navidi is in the mix but he's not played for a while.
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24/11/2020 10:44:44 1 1
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pity we cant have a look at Tommy Refell who is and has been outstanding in the English league.
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24/11/2020 10:14:59 17 10
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Wales will be riding a wave of momentum after their upset win over Georgia so anything could happen.
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24/11/2020 10:19:19 8 6
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Got nothing better to do with your lonely existence I'm guessing.
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24/11/2020 10:58:19 2 2
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Just like the stuff i trod in yesterday, you're unwelcome and annoyingly difficult to remove
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24/11/2020 15:32:39 2 1
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To be fair, this was quite a good gag. Some people lacking a sense of humour.
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24/11/2020 10:15:17 4 1
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Anyone else think he looks like he's on The Chase in that photo?
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24/11/2020 10:16:45 4 5
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Gatland was the equivalent of Jose parking the bus and totally exposed at Chiefs when that plan was unacceptable. Whitewash season.

Wales now finding their true level...
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24/11/2020 16:25:21 0 1
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You say that like you are glad. Wouldn't you rather a competative Wales taking it to England? ??
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24/11/2020 10:17:21 8 1
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God help us Saturday! We may need to bring the scoreboard from Saphire Gardens down the M4.
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24/11/2020 15:01:36 0 1
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Don't worry, even if we rip your defense to shreds, we will still kick it away!
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24/11/2020 15:55:15 0 1
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Nice one. For the benefit of non-locals, Sophia Gardens is the cricket ground.
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24/11/2020 10:14:59 17 10
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Wales will be riding a wave of momentum after their upset win over Georgia so anything could happen.
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24/11/2020 10:19:19 8 6
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Got nothing better to do with your lonely existence I'm guessing.
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24/11/2020 10:25:46 5 3
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Coming from the person who has commented about 10 times already...
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24/11/2020 10:41:59 2 1
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Haha! Easy flex, 0 - Crabby in 60 seconds!
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24/11/2020 10:20:43 2 7
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They’re miles behind everyone, let alone England. Watching us beat them the other week I was disappointed we didn’t win by more.
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24/11/2020 10:04:37 11 1
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i am in the wholesale changes camp. i think he needs to decide how they want to play and pick accordingly. they have some young talent and they can only get experience by playing so i think he needs to take risks in this tournament. i think it would pay dividends in the future.
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24/11/2020 10:22:13 5 2
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Agree to an extent, but needs to be balanced. Getting humiliated by a bad defeat won't do the young lads any good, but they do need to be brought in.
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24/11/2020 10:42:54 0 1
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agree with you Flex.... need to focus back to forward power/strength but add guile to the backs as have potential to develope... no forwards though forget backs
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24/11/2020 10:23:21 147 7
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As an England fan, I'm hoping for a comfortable win on Saturday. But, do you know what...even at their lowest, I'd never, ever, underestimate Wales to rise to the challenge of a match against England. I'll be biting my nails on Saturday.
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24/11/2020 10:43:08 37 7
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If Wales are just ahead after an hour I can see them winning. Even by a point. That might be the worst result for them because they'll think everything is fine because they've beaten "the old enemy".
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24/11/2020 12:04:12 2 2
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As Wyn Jones says if Wales can score a couple of tires and make England work hard, they'd -probably win! We don't look like team comfortable turning defence into attack to chase a game. If Wales we're up by 10 to 12 points at half time, you won't have any nails left. Hopefully not.
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24/11/2020 12:40:41 3 2
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I will be sure when England get to 40 points clear at half time - till then, it is Wales, you never know.
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24/11/2020 12:58:17 5 1
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No need to bite your nails. Wales, sadly, are back to their pre-2008 state. If you look at form, the two teams are in a completely different place. If there's bad weather, Wales are up for it, and England lack motivation then it may be close. Hard to see anything other than an England win though.

The best case scenario for Wales is for England to have a bad day so they can sneak a win.
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24/11/2020 13:38:49 5 2
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Don’t be ridiculous - Wales will get a tonking.
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Jim
24/11/2020 15:18:55 1 1
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Yep - never under-estimate the potential effect of Wales' utter hatred of England!

Even if it is based on the perception of long-past crimes and oppression, rather than the reality of today. ¯\_(?)_/¯
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24/11/2020 10:23:45 7 3
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TBH Gatlands team was over their peak by 2019. Won v England at home, England kicked the the ball the entire game. The next big win if you discount the warm up games which were awful was Aus in rwc 2019. Aus were shocking. They just beat a 14 man French team by 1 point. Pivic was given a team that were burnt out and had peaked about 2 years ago. Much like Ireland who dominated NZ they peaked 2018
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24/11/2020 10:40:52 4 1
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good point and also not so much depth. France were better than us and also in Paris in 2019 we were 16-0 down at half time but for French mistakes to let us win and on to a Slam.
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24/11/2020 15:20:03 0 1
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This isn't meant as a derogitory comment, but I still don't know how Wales won the GS in 2019, they seemd second best for huge parts of every match, then somehow at the final whistle they had won. It was obvious then they were a team that needed rebuilding.
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24/11/2020 10:23:52 19 3
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We're in transition, they are not. I hope we are competitive this weekend and make some progress. Got to fancy England by 12. Give Pivac time (and a fit squad) and let's see where we end up.
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24/11/2020 10:38:48 25 2
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England not in 'transition'? Jones hasn't picked the same team twice for over a year.
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24/11/2020 10:48:09 15 1
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14 new players in the England squad, capped as many as Wales. We are certainly in transition but currently blessed with a talented player pool.

I don't think it should be all on Pivacs shoulders, the regions are currently in poor form and Gatland certainly left having squeeze all he could from the squad.
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24/11/2020 10:51:22 4 1
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Too much short term thinking about these days. They want success now
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24/11/2020 12:08:46 3 1
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Both teams are transitioning, but how it's managed is very different. Both have wholesale coach staff changes. Eddie's downplayed this by playing more risk-averse, conservative rugby with attack probably developed more next year or after. Pivac's trying to implement his methodology to very mixed success but it should bed down more if he's given more time.
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24/11/2020 14:34:03 1 1
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An effective transition means you dont notice the new players coming in and the old going out. Wales are in a poor transition where they dont have the depth and introducing younger players is their only option now whether they are ready or not. Think Botham at the beginning of last week never been in a Wales training squad yet starts, That would never need to happen with England
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24/11/2020 10:24:41 13 1
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I was always a bit disparaging of Warrenball but there's no denying it was effective, and turned a group of good players into a world class team.

Pivac now needs to find a similar method of play to get the best out of his charges. It won't be easy, but there's enough talent there to work with.
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24/11/2020 10:39:18 1 3
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you cannot change over night plus his style had us combative. Revert to it but add and work harder on back play than just kick so much
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24/11/2020 10:19:19 8 6
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Got nothing better to do with your lonely existence I'm guessing.
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24/11/2020 10:25:46 5 3
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Coming from the person who has commented about 10 times already...
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24/11/2020 10:27:06 4 3
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I'm worried....underestimate Wales at your peril!!As an England supporter I don't think we are miles ahead at all.Defence superb but as for attacking rugby considering the huge talent of players and resources available I think we are nothing special.May's try brilliant but just a solo effort.
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24/11/2020 10:32:45 7 4
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England fan here. Wales will always up their game against England a bit of poor weather and it will be very close
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24/11/2020 10:38:10 8 2
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good of you to say but we are disjointed and off pace....Eng will power away in second half to at least 20 point win.
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24/11/2020 13:58:57 1 1
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not much rain forecast for Llanelli for 16.00 on Sat
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24/11/2020 14:19:23 2 1
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I agree. Never in the last 50 years have I underestimated the crouching dragon. Saturday's result could be anywhere between a 10 point Wales win and a 40 point England win. And I worry about that 20% chance of losing.
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24/11/2020 10:32:48 8 1
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Well its not the Six Nations so a great time to experiment for Wales. Trouble is they're missing a couple of key players and others like Faletau are improving but not yet at the levels expected. No suprise really. National coaches can't afford to dream, they are expected to show improvement from the off, but Wales facing England is a tough one. England have reserves in depth Wales the opposite.
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24/11/2020 13:24:13 1 1
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there BLIMMER.
Always pressure to win, so not an enviable position to be in, but that's why they get pad the big bucks I suppose.
Now is definitely the time to experiment, you are right.
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24/11/2020 10:32:53 0 4
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We’re coming to the end of a player cycle and with a new coaching team too, it was always going to be a struggle. Yes we’d have liked results and performances to be better but this is what happens in international rugby. Worth remembering who the smallest country is in the 6 nations too. Perhaps we need some South Africans, Pacific Islanders to live here for a bit and we can boost our player pool.
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24/11/2020 11:58:17 3 1
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You’ve already got every player in Wales plus anyone in England or New Zealand with a Welsh granny. The Wales player pool is bigger than Wales fans make out.
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24/11/2020 14:06:20 2 1
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yes, but: i) Tonga population106k, Samoa 198k, Fiji 899k and...Wales 3,152,900- its what you do with it!; and ii) now the 5 year rule for residential qualification
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Imo
24/11/2020 09:53:27 11 2
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agree, now is the time to build for the future with a new playing style. Better to get beaten by England in a meaningless tournament rather than in the 2 years before next RWC. It will be good experience for the next generation.
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24/11/2020 10:35:49 7 5
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Whenever Wales lose to England, its a meaningless tournament apparently, or else a moral victory.
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24/11/2020 10:36:29 3 5
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One thing you can't mitigate is fierce passion and desire.

Good luck to England, they'll need it in West Wales.
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24/11/2020 10:36:54 1 1
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we are behind plain to see as slower in phases and not aggressive in defence as we stop but not counter ruck enough. Lot of work in scrum and lineout plus set up mauls faster, also no pick and drive to draw in defence then movce ball out wide faster. Predictable. England now need to add back play to their forward strength and defence. Farrell to control more decisions to go wide earlier
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24/11/2020 10:37:00 3 4
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I cringed when they selected Pivac and Stephen Jones to run Wales. Sadly proved right. We are now back to where we were before Gatland, Edwards and CO took us back to the top. We will go nowhere with this bunch in charge.
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24/11/2020 11:01:23 1 2
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Couldnt agree more.remember Gareth jenkins
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24/11/2020 10:37:52 35 2
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I fear wales are slipping back to as long as we beat the English mentality. some sensible comments in there from Gwyn. ultimately you have to pick players to execute your game plan who are not necessarily the best players. Its goes without saying that nobody really minds losing just as long as we are building a new style of play, not the old guard going backwards....
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24/11/2020 11:31:09 21 1
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The best player for your game plan applies to most team sports. I remember once reading that Jack Charlton and Alf Ramsey were talking. In response to the question why am I in the team. Sir Alf said you are not necessarily the best player but you are the best for the job I want you to do. Someone who knew about team management
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24/11/2020 11:35:20 0 2
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100%, if we want to rip up the foundations of Gatland Ball then that only happens with a wholesale squad overhaul. Our old guard have played the same way for over a decade and they won’t be able to adapt.

I think Welsh fans would accept experimenting with a young team, that can’t be tolerated is the one that reached a World Cup semi final playing like they are.
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24/11/2020 12:26:49 3 1
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I can't help but wonder if it's actually the other way round - i.e. build a game plan to suit the players at your disposal, which is what I think Gatland was the master at.
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24/11/2020 10:32:45 7 4
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England fan here. Wales will always up their game against England a bit of poor weather and it will be very close
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24/11/2020 10:38:10 8 2
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good of you to say but we are disjointed and off pace....Eng will power away in second half to at least 20 point win.
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24/11/2020 10:38:30 7 2
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You can't play an expansive game without winning ball good quick ball, which Wales aren't doing, go back to basics , get the pack winning good ball then play the running game, trying to run poor ball is playing into the oppostions hands, and I agree with some of the other posts there needs to be changes, who they are and wether we have that type of player is another question.
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25/11/2020 09:46:17 0 0
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Agreed.Pivac has this vision of how he wants to play,but does not put in the basics to achieve what he wants to do.
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24/11/2020 10:23:52 19 3
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We're in transition, they are not. I hope we are competitive this weekend and make some progress. Got to fancy England by 12. Give Pivac time (and a fit squad) and let's see where we end up.
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24/11/2020 10:38:48 25 2
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England not in 'transition'? Jones hasn't picked the same team twice for over a year.
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24/11/2020 13:40:53 2 2
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Your squad is very strong in all areas (except 9 imho). England look well coached and seem fitter. Let's hope it's an entertaining game.
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24/11/2020 13:53:50 2 1
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But Jones doesn't change many he just dabbles. In my mind Jones is using this tournament for training purposes. Against Ireland he was looking at aggresive defence. Against Georgia scrummage.Just wish he'd work on aggresive attack, they really haven't given us any real attacking play. Well May has but nobody else to date. This week defence and attack would make a pleasant change.
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25/11/2020 09:43:35 0 0
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Doesn’t need to.Such is the squad depth in English rugby.Their third team is better than our first team.
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25/11/2020 23:23:36 0 0
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England have 45+ players good enough for the team, doesn't need to go to the same 15 every time.
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24/11/2020 10:38:58 20 1
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England looking really strong with some exceptional players Hill may & curry etc etc.
As strong as 2003 perhaps?
Im always an optimistic welsh supporter, so I’m looking forward to see how wales will approach this game & see if they can come out of it with a positive performance.
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24/11/2020 10:41:59 19 13
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no johnny W. Farrell is no where near half backs are englands weakness
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24/11/2020 10:24:41 13 1
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I was always a bit disparaging of Warrenball but there's no denying it was effective, and turned a group of good players into a world class team.

Pivac now needs to find a similar method of play to get the best out of his charges. It won't be easy, but there's enough talent there to work with.
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24/11/2020 10:39:18 1 3
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you cannot change over night plus his style had us combative. Revert to it but add and work harder on back play than just kick so much
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24/11/2020 10:23:45 7 3
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TBH Gatlands team was over their peak by 2019. Won v England at home, England kicked the the ball the entire game. The next big win if you discount the warm up games which were awful was Aus in rwc 2019. Aus were shocking. They just beat a 14 man French team by 1 point. Pivic was given a team that were burnt out and had peaked about 2 years ago. Much like Ireland who dominated NZ they peaked 2018
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24/11/2020 10:40:52 4 1
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good point and also not so much depth. France were better than us and also in Paris in 2019 we were 16-0 down at half time but for French mistakes to let us win and on to a Slam.
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24/11/2020 11:52:22 1 1
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Yes forgot about the French implode, I bet on France for 6N until that prop punched a scot it was on. This is the issue with playing the same players over and over. Great team bonding but once they reached their peak ala 2003 England it all imploded. England were in the wilderness for best part of 5-6 years. Just worried that Jones has not changed so many England players. not bode well ie 8-9-10
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24/11/2020 13:32:06 0 1
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Vahamina was our best player in both games although I'd say it was rugby coming full circle afrer 2011 when despite the red card Wales were the better team
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24/11/2020 10:41:42 35 8
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As an Englishman I'd say Williams and Adams are a big threat to England but it will be tough for Wales to get enough ball to them. For any chance of parity upfront Wales must pick Wyn Jones who is an awesome scrummager and Ball for a bit of old fashioned 'dog'. I know he's a legend but persisting with AWJ is not helping Wales in the long run.
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24/11/2020 10:53:03 32 5
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Thing about AWJ is his level of performance hasn't started to dip yet. In the Scotland and Ireland games we were under the cost and he was one of the ones who fronted up physically. Doesn't miss tackles and has a full 80 in the tank week in week out.
Once his levels start to drop we can look at replacing him, but for now build depth by playing Ball, Rowlands and Seb alongside him. Not a bad mentor
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24/11/2020 14:29:03 1 3
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Williams has got to get rid of the red mist, over the last few games all he has wanted to do is pick a fight with someone... Its well known, Blokes cant multi task! they can either play rugby or they canfight they cant do both!
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24/11/2020 10:19:19 8 6
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Got nothing better to do with your lonely existence I'm guessing.
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24/11/2020 10:41:59 2 1
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Haha! Easy flex, 0 - Crabby in 60 seconds!
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24/11/2020 10:38:58 20 1
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England looking really strong with some exceptional players Hill may & curry etc etc.
As strong as 2003 perhaps?
Im always an optimistic welsh supporter, so I’m looking forward to see how wales will approach this game & see if they can come out of it with a positive performance.
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24/11/2020 10:41:59 19 13
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no johnny W. Farrell is no where near half backs are englands weakness
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24/11/2020 10:48:02 2 9
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Farrell crumbles under pressure, allways does
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24/11/2020 11:08:11 6 1
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The Ford / Farrell axis has worked but will it last another 3years for the 2023 WC I doubt it - something will happen along the way but will it be better.
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24/11/2020 10:42:05 58 1
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Wales are miles behind us atm on performances but they’re looking to implement an new style & there have been teething problems.

Also using young developing Props in Tier 1 matches might help their depth long-term but has hurt their set piece short-term & added pressure.

I expect a 10-14 point win.

It’s only year 1of the 4 year cycle, no need to panic, long-way to
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24/11/2020 10:47:03 19 3
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Yup...too many thinking short term
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24/11/2020 11:38:54 8 1
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Good lad! some positive English influence and Welsh influence needed here instead of constant negativity. It is year 1 of 4 and this was always going to the hardest year
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24/11/2020 12:44:05 0 3
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Have the world cup pools been announced?
If not, it is relevant till then.
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24/11/2020 15:29:11 1 1
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I'm expecting a 20-30 point win. England will put us to the sword unless we find something special.
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EJ
25/11/2020 16:34:53 0 0
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Agreed. We have had Eddie at the helm for years and are currently in a good position with regard to our game plan and personnel.Wales got a new coaching team which has already been changed and are trying to introduce a new system with some test rugby newbies. I still think we will beat them by 20 but they’re in transition we aren’t.Even the vaunted Kiwi’s are struggling with new coaches.
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24/11/2020 10:42:34 4 1
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Wales will be up for it, no doubt. Maybe Gwyn Jones is trying to get them a bit more wound up and our lot a little complacent. Not sure how effective Hadleigh Parkes would be mind you. Unless you're the boks I reckon you need try to go round England at the moment, or counter with real pace and precision, not try to go through Underhill, Curry, Farrell, Lawrence , Itoje etc
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24/11/2020 10:46:20 3 11
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Gwyn jones is always negative, even when we play well. I really dont like him
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24/11/2020 10:22:13 5 2
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Agree to an extent, but needs to be balanced. Getting humiliated by a bad defeat won't do the young lads any good, but they do need to be brought in.
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24/11/2020 10:42:54 0 1
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agree with you Flex.... need to focus back to forward power/strength but add guile to the backs as have potential to develope... no forwards though forget backs
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24/11/2020 10:23:21 147 7
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As an England fan, I'm hoping for a comfortable win on Saturday. But, do you know what...even at their lowest, I'd never, ever, underestimate Wales to rise to the challenge of a match against England. I'll be biting my nails on Saturday.
45
24/11/2020 10:43:08 37 7
bbc
If Wales are just ahead after an hour I can see them winning. Even by a point. That might be the worst result for them because they'll think everything is fine because they've beaten "the old enemy".
399
24/11/2020 14:59:20 0 1
bbc
It's the Auld Enemy, and that is frankly a stupid comment. These are professionals with a lot of experience, they know full well how sh*te we are at the moment.
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Col
24/11/2020 21:09:16 0 1
bbc
If Wales manage to beat England everything will be fine because they are no longer just 'the old enemy' but possibly the best side in the world at the moment. A win for Wales, even by one point, would be a massive boost to Pivac and all Wales supporters.
11
24/11/2020 10:14:14 5 5
bbc
Tips has to start if fit! Hopefully Navidi is in the mix but he's not played for a while.
46
24/11/2020 10:44:44 1 1
bbc
pity we cant have a look at Tommy Refell who is and has been outstanding in the English league.
77
24/11/2020 11:06:42 0 1
bbc
Yeah, really looks like a physical specimen. But he decided to sign a new contract which unfortunately puts him out of reach.
3
24/11/2020 09:55:37 134 15
bbc
Bit misleading BBC. Main page you have Eddie Jones and Pivac as the picture, with the caption 'Wales are miles behind England - Jones', only for it to be Gwyn Jones... Clickbait if I ever saw it and disappointing.
47
24/11/2020 10:45:09 55 5
bbc
But sadly typical. The power of the press!
43
24/11/2020 10:42:34 4 1
bbc
Wales will be up for it, no doubt. Maybe Gwyn Jones is trying to get them a bit more wound up and our lot a little complacent. Not sure how effective Hadleigh Parkes would be mind you. Unless you're the boks I reckon you need try to go round England at the moment, or counter with real pace and precision, not try to go through Underhill, Curry, Farrell, Lawrence , Itoje etc
48
24/11/2020 10:46:20 3 11
bbc
Gwyn jones is always negative, even when we play well. I really dont like him
86
24/11/2020 11:13:51 2 1
bbc
I like someone who tells it how he sees it. People like him are needed amongst the sycophants. Of which there are plenty in Wales.
42
24/11/2020 10:42:05 58 1
bbc
Wales are miles behind us atm on performances but they’re looking to implement an new style & there have been teething problems.

Also using young developing Props in Tier 1 matches might help their depth long-term but has hurt their set piece short-term & added pressure.

I expect a 10-14 point win.

It’s only year 1of the 4 year cycle, no need to panic, long-way to
49
24/11/2020 10:47:03 19 3
bbc
Yup...too many thinking short term
41
24/11/2020 10:41:59 19 13
bbc
no johnny W. Farrell is no where near half backs are englands weakness
50
24/11/2020 10:48:02 2 9
bbc
Farrell crumbles under pressure, allways does
72
24/11/2020 11:02:26 7 5
bbc
Except against Ireland last week. When he didn't?
21
24/11/2020 10:23:52 19 3
bbc
We're in transition, they are not. I hope we are competitive this weekend and make some progress. Got to fancy England by 12. Give Pivac time (and a fit squad) and let's see where we end up.
51
24/11/2020 10:48:09 15 1
bbc
14 new players in the England squad, capped as many as Wales. We are certainly in transition but currently blessed with a talented player pool.

I don't think it should be all on Pivacs shoulders, the regions are currently in poor form and Gatland certainly left having squeeze all he could from the squad.
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24/11/2020 13:54:02 5 1
bbc
12 Premiership teams versus 4 Welsh Regions- throw in a few injuries and that some Welsh players feel they have to go abroad as Regions cant pay enough and you are choosing from only a couple of real contenders for each position. Also all 4 regions are not strong now with 2 weak.
52
24/11/2020 10:49:41 85 4
bbc
Nice respectful posts in here talking about rugby for a change instead of my dad's bigger than your dad.
59
24/11/2020 10:53:52 32 2
bbc
Trolls still in bed dreaming of fame and fortune
431
24/11/2020 15:25:32 0 2
bbc
Eng are better than wales
762
25/11/2020 10:23:23 0 0
bbc
My dad was pretty big, to be fair ;)
53
24/11/2020 10:49:42 4 5
bbc
Hung on to aging players for too long, as there is no real alternatives, as the alternatives have never had a chance. It is a self fulfilling prophecy really.

Ditto with Ireland, The English back row made CJ Stander and PoM look like old fat men at the weekend.

Wales need to lose 1/2p. Williams, AWJ, Biggar, JD, Tipuric etc before it is too late
58
24/11/2020 10:53:39 5 2
bbc
Wait? Youd drop liam williams and tips? That makes zero sence
21
24/11/2020 10:23:52 19 3
bbc
We're in transition, they are not. I hope we are competitive this weekend and make some progress. Got to fancy England by 12. Give Pivac time (and a fit squad) and let's see where we end up.
54
24/11/2020 10:51:22 4 1
bbc
Too much short term thinking about these days. They want success now
136
24/11/2020 11:43:00 5 1
bbc
The Google instant pudding thinking. John Barclay's analysis of Pivac and Wales sounded balance. Wales will bounce back by building steadily - they still have good players + a couple with X factor who are only 19.
55
24/11/2020 10:52:17 4 5
bbc
Miles and miles apart. Indeed. The English club system is far better - with better standards. Think of Exeter and what they have achieved. Rugby too has become rather boring and it is stop, start stuff. The youngsters drifting to football. The regional product is poor hence poor attendances.
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24/11/2020 10:57:04 1 1
bbc
It’s as much about connection as it is with product when it comes to regional rugby’s shortcomings. With the exception of the Scarlets, do any of the regions actually resonate with anyone on that level you get when you’re supporting your town or city?
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Bob
24/11/2020 10:09:38 0 7
bbc
CLICK BAIT

No one would be surprised if Eddie Jones said that.

Followed by a wound up Wales side beating England at the weekend.
56
24/11/2020 10:52:49 3 1
bbc
However, Eddie did not say it.
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Bob
24/11/2020 12:05:20 0 4
bbc
or did he?
39
24/11/2020 10:41:42 35 8
bbc
As an Englishman I'd say Williams and Adams are a big threat to England but it will be tough for Wales to get enough ball to them. For any chance of parity upfront Wales must pick Wyn Jones who is an awesome scrummager and Ball for a bit of old fashioned 'dog'. I know he's a legend but persisting with AWJ is not helping Wales in the long run.
57
24/11/2020 10:53:03 32 5
bbc
Thing about AWJ is his level of performance hasn't started to dip yet. In the Scotland and Ireland games we were under the cost and he was one of the ones who fronted up physically. Doesn't miss tackles and has a full 80 in the tank week in week out.
Once his levels start to drop we can look at replacing him, but for now build depth by playing Ball, Rowlands and Seb alongside him. Not a bad mentor
83
24/11/2020 11:09:04 6 7
bbc
If AWJ isn't retired soon, the damage to the Welsh team will be permanent. Its not about his performances, its about building towards the next WC. The longer he's in the team, the more difficult it will be to replace him.
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Jon
24/11/2020 13:16:17 1 2
bbc
See, I think AWJ hasn't looked his best since rugby resumed after the summer. He had an awesome 6N up to the break - Welsh results aside - but he's lacked his usual conviction this Autumn.
407
24/11/2020 15:02:53 0 3
bbc
You must of been watching a match from years gone by.
53
24/11/2020 10:49:42 4 5
bbc
Hung on to aging players for too long, as there is no real alternatives, as the alternatives have never had a chance. It is a self fulfilling prophecy really.

Ditto with Ireland, The English back row made CJ Stander and PoM look like old fat men at the weekend.

Wales need to lose 1/2p. Williams, AWJ, Biggar, JD, Tipuric etc before it is too late
58
24/11/2020 10:53:39 5 2
bbc
Wait? Youd drop liam williams and tips? That makes zero sence
68
24/11/2020 10:59:47 1 3
bbc
Will they be at the next RWC?, probably not, so yes.
52
24/11/2020 10:49:41 85 4
bbc
Nice respectful posts in here talking about rugby for a change instead of my dad's bigger than your dad.
59
24/11/2020 10:53:52 32 2
bbc
Trolls still in bed dreaming of fame and fortune
363
24/11/2020 14:25:44 5 2
bbc
I thought they dreamt of dragons, witches & princesses?
60
24/11/2020 10:55:28 2 6
bbc
It is going to be a cricket score ...enough said
61
24/11/2020 10:55:35 5 3
bbc
All I ask is you watch some Tri Nations games of NZ, Aus & Arg. They have incredible speed, inventivness, explosive power in scrums and mauls with the ball actually going to the intended jumper in the lineouts. All their scrumhalves get the ball to the backs at speed, not like Wales. As a proud Welshman I'm saddened we are going to get a stuffing in every department on Saturday.
67
24/11/2020 10:59:29 11 2
bbc
Been saying it for years scrum halves taking a step before passing kills attacking intent not just a welsh problem
76
24/11/2020 11:06:30 5 1
bbc
England have the same problem as Wales as their 9/10 axis is so slow with Youngs/Farrell but currently saved by a good forward pack. Remember Wales usually raise their game against us so it could be close if they do that
55
24/11/2020 10:52:17 4 5
bbc
Miles and miles apart. Indeed. The English club system is far better - with better standards. Think of Exeter and what they have achieved. Rugby too has become rather boring and it is stop, start stuff. The youngsters drifting to football. The regional product is poor hence poor attendances.
62
24/11/2020 10:57:04 1 1
bbc
It’s as much about connection as it is with product when it comes to regional rugby’s shortcomings. With the exception of the Scarlets, do any of the regions actually resonate with anyone on that level you get when you’re supporting your town or city?
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Gaz
24/11/2020 10:57:38 2 7
bbc
Rugby is no longer a 15 man game & the squad of 23 needs to be 46 to deal with injuries. O2 has a massive pool to draw from & recruits people born 1000s of miles away. All Blacks recruited South Sea Islanders well previously and were successful, other nations are now taking advantage of the 3 year residence rule. I wait to see a Scottish team made up of 15 players who qualified through residency
64
24/11/2020 10:58:11 2 5
bbc
All teams have to renew as time marches on. When that happens its a rebuilding job one England has been on for the past 2 years Wales has yet to start that process, Ireland have just started it. Both have been GREAT teams and are now in renewal. Lets not forget Ireland are THE ONLY team to beat the Kiwis twice in a season? They will be back we cannot rest on our laurels!!
87
24/11/2020 11:14:36 1 2
bbc
“Great teams”
No chance.
Great teams win world cups, or at least have a very high win %.
That’s NZ, SA, and only occasionally other teams eg England in 2002 / 03.
12
24/11/2020 10:14:59 17 10
bbc
Wales will be riding a wave of momentum after their upset win over Georgia so anything could happen.
65
24/11/2020 10:58:19 2 2
bbc
Just like the stuff i trod in yesterday, you're unwelcome and annoyingly difficult to remove
66
24/11/2020 10:59:05 8 6
bbc
England will win but we are sooooo boring
75
24/11/2020 11:06:19 3 5
bbc
No, they're not boring. But i know what is...
82
24/11/2020 11:08:44 2 5
bbc
Wales will lose and are so terrible at the moment. Fifteen tubs of lard.
94
24/11/2020 11:21:07 1 1
bbc
That’s because they play steady solid players instead of flair players eg Farrell rather than Cipriani.
But guys like Jonny May light up a game.
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24/11/2020 11:56:58 0 4
bbc
Winning is not boring, nor is a dominant pack or 10 man rugby. I'd prefer to win with conservative rugby than to lose with exciting rugby. In five years time, you just look back at the results and often forget the style of play. Results count. Anyway, England have some very exciting backs to unleash if the opportunity (i.e a big lead) arises - not Youngs, Ford or Farrell!!
162
24/11/2020 12:03:46 0 3
bbc
As a neutral, I'd like to see a competitive game. Wales have to compete well in set play and at the breakdown. If the Welsh forwards are dominated, Pivac will have no chance of playing his expansive game plan - not much you can do when you're going backwards, losing the ball or conceding penalties. I think that some of the forwards old-guard are definitely needed - wise heads and grunt.
61
24/11/2020 10:55:35 5 3
bbc
All I ask is you watch some Tri Nations games of NZ, Aus & Arg. They have incredible speed, inventivness, explosive power in scrums and mauls with the ball actually going to the intended jumper in the lineouts. All their scrumhalves get the ball to the backs at speed, not like Wales. As a proud Welshman I'm saddened we are going to get a stuffing in every department on Saturday.
67
24/11/2020 10:59:29 11 2
bbc
Been saying it for years scrum halves taking a step before passing kills attacking intent not just a welsh problem
58
24/11/2020 10:53:39 5 2
bbc
Wait? Youd drop liam williams and tips? That makes zero sence
68
24/11/2020 10:59:47 1 3
bbc
Will they be at the next RWC?, probably not, so yes.
88
24/11/2020 11:14:40 1 1
bbc
With that logic England should drop Farrell. He is the same age as Liam Williams. Can't see that happening
69
24/11/2020 10:59:52 3 2
bbc
I look at it like this, Wales 12 months ago were 85% to the top of the mountain. Then the brakes went on.
We are now 50% down and the brakes are slipping.
31
24/11/2020 10:37:00 3 4
bbc
I cringed when they selected Pivac and Stephen Jones to run Wales. Sadly proved right. We are now back to where we were before Gatland, Edwards and CO took us back to the top. We will go nowhere with this bunch in charge.
70
24/11/2020 11:01:23 1 2
bbc
Couldnt agree more.remember Gareth jenkins
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24/11/2020 11:01:46 9 5
bbc
None of this is helped by the Pro14, which isn't. It's now come down to three Irish provinces v the other pretty mediocre nine.

That can't be good for Welsh international rugby.
90
24/11/2020 11:17:16 5 8
bbc
When the Bulls, Sharks, Lions and Stormers join, it will be far stronger than The Premiership. Can only be positive for Wales.
50
24/11/2020 10:48:02 2 9
bbc
Farrell crumbles under pressure, allways does
72
24/11/2020 11:02:26 7 5
bbc
Except against Ireland last week. When he didn't?
116
24/11/2020 11:32:02 2 1
bbc
when was he under pressure forwards dominated
Wales have played poorly since the WC and cannot see their current strengths.
AWJ, Bigger, Falatau, Halfpenny and Pivac are on borrowed time.
Will be a 10-15 point margin at the final whistle for England.
SLSC ??
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24/11/2020 11:26:38 4 1
bbc
Seriously....how insecure do you need to be with a handle like that?! ??
74
24/11/2020 11:04:43 1 1
bbc
"Pivac should follow predecessor Warren Gatland's example and pick unfancied players to suit his game-plan."

He's not wrong! The really frustrating aspect is the seemingly lack of a game plan. The chaotic game plan of the Scarlets a few years ago worked until they came up against Europe's best. The basics have been woeful - Eng are good at that - and until fixed more woe. Eng by at least 20.
66
24/11/2020 10:59:05 8 6
bbc
England will win but we are sooooo boring
75
24/11/2020 11:06:19 3 5
bbc
No, they're not boring. But i know what is...
61
24/11/2020 10:55:35 5 3
bbc
All I ask is you watch some Tri Nations games of NZ, Aus & Arg. They have incredible speed, inventivness, explosive power in scrums and mauls with the ball actually going to the intended jumper in the lineouts. All their scrumhalves get the ball to the backs at speed, not like Wales. As a proud Welshman I'm saddened we are going to get a stuffing in every department on Saturday.
76
24/11/2020 11:06:30 5 1
bbc
England have the same problem as Wales as their 9/10 axis is so slow with Youngs/Farrell but currently saved by a good forward pack. Remember Wales usually raise their game against us so it could be close if they do that
46
24/11/2020 10:44:44 1 1
bbc
pity we cant have a look at Tommy Refell who is and has been outstanding in the English league.
77
24/11/2020 11:06:42 0 1
bbc
Yeah, really looks like a physical specimen. But he decided to sign a new contract which unfortunately puts him out of reach.
78
24/11/2020 11:07:24 2 3
bbc
The disaster that is regional rugby is now coming home to roost. It’s taken a generation but it’s finally here. We had good players locked into central contracts but now that lot have all retired or are approaching retirement, so there is a real dearth of talent coming through and that’s due to regional rugby. Time to get rid and admit it was a mistake.
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24/11/2020 10:41:59 19 13
bbc
no johnny W. Farrell is no where near half backs are englands weakness
79
24/11/2020 11:08:11 6 1
bbc
The Ford / Farrell axis has worked but will it last another 3years for the 2023 WC I doubt it - something will happen along the way but will it be better.
80
24/11/2020 11:08:28 2 2
bbc
I would never write off Wales. They have plenty of class players and they only have to click once to get their mojo back. Under-estimate them at your peril !!
81
24/11/2020 11:08:35 1 3
bbc
Will be happy with anything less than a 30 point defeat. Sad to say, but that's the state of our rugby at the moment.
107
24/11/2020 11:28:08 0 1
bbc
As an Englishman living 5mins from Parc Y Scarlets, I'd live that result - but it won't be the case. Everything always changes inside the heads of the welsh players against England and can see a really good game. Injust hope the weather improves and the pitch holds up as quite soft at the moment. Here's to a good game and welsh improvement, rugby fans need it
66
24/11/2020 10:59:05 8 6
bbc
England will win but we are sooooo boring
82
24/11/2020 11:08:44 2 5
bbc
Wales will lose and are so terrible at the moment. Fifteen tubs of lard.
57
24/11/2020 10:53:03 32 5
bbc
Thing about AWJ is his level of performance hasn't started to dip yet. In the Scotland and Ireland games we were under the cost and he was one of the ones who fronted up physically. Doesn't miss tackles and has a full 80 in the tank week in week out.
Once his levels start to drop we can look at replacing him, but for now build depth by playing Ball, Rowlands and Seb alongside him. Not a bad mentor
83
24/11/2020 11:09:04 6 7
bbc
If AWJ isn't retired soon, the damage to the Welsh team will be permanent. Its not about his performances, its about building towards the next WC. The longer he's in the team, the more difficult it will be to replace him.
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24/11/2020 12:14:00 3 3
bbc
Not sure I agree. We know what Ball brings and he'll keep bringing that physical edge when called upon. I think that for guys like Rowlands and Seb D, the experience of playing alongside and training with AWJ will be priceless.
And more than one lock has won the WC at 38, and he's been injury free his whole career. Can't buy that can't kind of solidity. Don't write him off just yet.
719
25/11/2020 08:05:00 0 0
bbc
AWJ is the Welsh Johnny Sexton. To good to drop, too old to keep. And the clock is ticking. Got to bite the bullet at some point and really start building a new team.
84
24/11/2020 11:11:49 1 1
bbc
The whole of Wales wanted him to stay and the WRFU let him go
85
24/11/2020 11:12:44 4 4
bbc
Think Ball, Lee and Wyn Jones must start. Would like to see Parry given a start, real physical player who hits his jumpers.
Wyn Jones
Parry
Lee
AWJ
Ball
Wainwright/Navidi
Tips/Navidi
Faletau
Ll Williams
Sheedy
LRZ
J Williams
Watkin
Adams
Sanjay

Smith, Francis, Dee, Seb, SLH, Webb, Biggar, North

Experience on the bench if we need to steady the ship
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Bob
24/11/2020 12:04:29 0 1
bbc
We all know this will not be the case. He was resting the likes of Biggar for his cup final England match.
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24/11/2020 10:46:20 3 11
bbc
Gwyn jones is always negative, even when we play well. I really dont like him
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24/11/2020 11:13:51 2 1
bbc
I like someone who tells it how he sees it. People like him are needed amongst the sycophants. Of which there are plenty in Wales.
64
24/11/2020 10:58:11 2 5
bbc
All teams have to renew as time marches on. When that happens its a rebuilding job one England has been on for the past 2 years Wales has yet to start that process, Ireland have just started it. Both have been GREAT teams and are now in renewal. Lets not forget Ireland are THE ONLY team to beat the Kiwis twice in a season? They will be back we cannot rest on our laurels!!
87
24/11/2020 11:14:36 1 2
bbc
“Great teams”
No chance.
Great teams win world cups, or at least have a very high win %.
That’s NZ, SA, and only occasionally other teams eg England in 2002 / 03.
68
24/11/2020 10:59:47 1 3
bbc
Will they be at the next RWC?, probably not, so yes.
88
24/11/2020 11:14:40 1 1
bbc
With that logic England should drop Farrell. He is the same age as Liam Williams. Can't see that happening
134
24/11/2020 11:41:32 0 3
bbc
But this discussion is about Wales
89
24/11/2020 11:16:24 2 4
bbc
If both teams play to potential and if England can be bothered playing for 80 mins, this could be a real big score and hardly a fair contest.
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24/11/2020 11:01:46 9 5
bbc
None of this is helped by the Pro14, which isn't. It's now come down to three Irish provinces v the other pretty mediocre nine.

That can't be good for Welsh international rugby.
90
24/11/2020 11:17:16 5 8
bbc
When the Bulls, Sharks, Lions and Stormers join, it will be far stronger than The Premiership. Can only be positive for Wales.
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Jon
24/11/2020 14:02:52 0 0
bbc
I'm worried it'll be worse for Wales! The Irish RFU seems well managed from club to province to country but Welsh teams are struggling for form and identity. In the Welsh Premiership, the teams least associated with their region (Merthyr, Carmarthen, Llandovery, for example) seem to play the best rugby.
91
24/11/2020 11:19:04 0 2
bbc
The play offs should be good though (and we all know how it’s going to line up).
Eng v Fr should be a cracker.
Ire v Sc should be interesting
Wales v It who knows
Fiji v Geo will be great to see Fiji at last.
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24/11/2020 11:30:39 1 3
bbc
Wales versus Italy - who knows? Really?
3
24/11/2020 09:55:37 134 15
bbc
Bit misleading BBC. Main page you have Eddie Jones and Pivac as the picture, with the caption 'Wales are miles behind England - Jones', only for it to be Gwyn Jones... Clickbait if I ever saw it and disappointing.
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24/11/2020 11:19:06 20 4
bbc
The BBC do that sort of thing very frequently. They need to be held to account.
3
24/11/2020 09:55:37 134 15
bbc
Bit misleading BBC. Main page you have Eddie Jones and Pivac as the picture, with the caption 'Wales are miles behind England - Jones', only for it to be Gwyn Jones... Clickbait if I ever saw it and disappointing.
93
24/11/2020 11:19:30 15 3
bbc
I thought BBC were supposed to be objective??
126
24/11/2020 11:37:12 8 2
bbc
Sadly, the IPSO editor's code does not require balanced reporting.
66
24/11/2020 10:59:05 8 6
bbc
England will win but we are sooooo boring
94
24/11/2020 11:21:07 1 1
bbc
That’s because they play steady solid players instead of flair players eg Farrell rather than Cipriani.
But guys like Jonny May light up a game.
95
24/11/2020 11:22:28 5 8
bbc
I understand how he is "loved" in Wales, but AW Jones is an utter donkey. Sure he has his moments still if he lucky enough for the ball to be is in his vicinity but compare him to England's equivalent breakdown expert in Itoje - on Saturday pivotal (with basic flat pass to see May on his way) and running with the ball in hand (not slowly).
Sorry lads, time for the Donkey to be put out to pasture.
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24/11/2020 11:23:35 1 6
bbc
Big gap between England and the rest, which is a real concern for the Lions. In 2017, despite a big English presence, the bedrock of the team was based on key Irish and Welsh players. A match 23 now would have at most 3 Scots (prop, f/h, fb), 2 Irish (prop, lock) and 1 Welsh (sh)- this is not what the Lions is about.
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24/11/2020 11:26:39 3 1
bbc
why is that a concern ?
Surely the point is to pick the best players available, and not what region they come from ?
A few years back I remember the Lions dominated by Irish players - quite so, they were the best at the time.
108
24/11/2020 11:28:30 2 3
bbc
Yes, please. England are so much stronger after the RWC final and SA are so much weaker. England are the new All Blacks !? Please bring Farrel, Ford, Sinkler - match winners!
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24/11/2020 11:29:50 1 1
bbc
So now you’re worried about lions representation....??????
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24/11/2020 11:36:47 1 2
bbc
So Scots 10 and 15 for Lions? Russell and Hogg two of the flakiest players around when under pressure! Did you see Hoggs last kick of game on Sunday?
Watson 15 for Lions, 10 dunno yet!
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Dai
24/11/2020 11:24:14 3 2
bbc
Our only hope is to target their 9 and, if Farrell, their 10 too. Speed of thought in those positions is their achilles heel.
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24/11/2020 11:24:17 1 1
bbc
This is going to be a tough watch.

Not even a sense of a close match or a upset.

Again all I'm hoping for is some sense of a plan or some sort of attacking play that we have been promised. (Some glimpses of but not many in previous games)
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24/11/2020 11:24:55 1 4
bbc
Now is the time to look at different combinations In a nothing tournament that has been further undermined by Fiji absence. We all know there are players who haven’t figured as yet and may not figure for various reasons. Rather be wales than any of the other participants which will always be the case. Next stop wherever against whoever and they’ll be lucky to have had a taste.
111
24/11/2020 11:29:36 3 5
bbc
Its funny how the Welsh are only ever beaten (or probably about to be beaten) by England in 'Nothing Tournaments' where they win a moral victory.
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24/11/2020 12:00:04 0 1
bbc
2020 6N became meaningless strangely when Covid struck.

This tournament now meaningless.

The only tournaments that have meaning seem to be the ones in which Wales finish above England for some reason.

Can’t fathom it ??
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24/11/2020 11:24:59 78 4
bbc
As an ardent England rugby fan, I say underestimate Wales at your peril. Too many times have England travelled to Wales as favourites and come badly unstuck! Hoping for a cracker and a hard fought contest.
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24/11/2020 11:57:45 21 2
bbc
2013 and 1999 spring to mind. Especially the latter!