Two Covid tests for students in England before quick Christmas exit
23/11/2020 | news | education | 274
For Christmas break, students will leave university within 24 hours of two negative Covid tests.
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23/11/2020 17:43:03 62 15
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University is a strange place now. Back in my day, would have that much alcohol in me it would have killed any virus stone dead
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23/11/2020 18:08:23 47 6
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Gosh! I remember those days when going for a blood test...
Doctor: "You're a student?"
Me: "Yes."
Doctor: "Ok. We just gonna check how much blood you have in your alcohol stream before we proceed..."
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23/11/2020 18:30:17 10 11
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As a uni student I can confirm we still drink alcohol

Don't know what kind of news outlets you've been watching that makes you think this is no longer the case....
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23/11/2020 19:11:45 8 0
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We had random drugs tests in the army.

I had one once on a Friday morning about 9am (Thursday is the big drinking army night :- Squadron Bar Day).

I was struggling that much to go.....When I finally gave my sample to the sergeant, he replied....'F*£k me Jones....Drinking Foster's last night or have you just poured some in this' hehe
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23/11/2020 19:51:15 5 4
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Unfortunately this virus kills people stone dead.
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23/11/2020 17:45:30 13 15
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Tests for students is pointless - they are all superspreaders, as proven in the last few months
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DG
23/11/2020 18:01:17 12 14
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Quite right. The WHO stated that the problem throughout the world lies with the under 25's - Snowflakes, selfish individuals with arrogance to match.
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23/11/2020 18:34:17 3 1
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They're all drama queens a naw
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23/11/2020 17:48:08 22 17
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better start on december 3rd because they will all be ignoring distancing and dancing in the streets
What, all of them? P*ss off. Removed
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23/11/2020 19:17:50 4 0
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Ignorant claptrap.
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23/11/2020 17:58:11 13 11
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For those that receive a negative result, I believe there will be many that prove to be positive post Christmas.
As highlighted by the WHO, and now the Welsh Government, the problem lies soley with the under 25's. Today, Wales gave a brief of their recent lockdown only to announce that they now have a massive increase in under 25's with C-19 post the lockdown.
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23/11/2020 18:00:00 6 7
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If you could guarantee against false positives this would be fine

But the evidence is suggesting there is still way to many false positives leading to 1 in 200 student being wrongly asked to remain behind

This isolation of say 1 student in a hall is effectively solitary confinement (which whilst better in an era of social media) is still bordering on the cruel et al

2nd test in 2 days please
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DG
23/11/2020 18:09:48 7 4
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It's better to have a student confined to barracks because of a false positive than many that may die if the test was a false negative (false neg's exist too)
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23/11/2020 18:10:46 4 2
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Diddums not want to be on his own for three days? Bless.
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23/11/2020 19:11:13 0 0
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Why can't the snowflakes be on their own for a few days? Hardly life changing is it?
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23/11/2020 18:00:34 10 12
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No keep them away please!!!!!!
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23/11/2020 18:01:00 5 13
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Millions of words have been written about Covid, millions of opinions on HYS, Hundreds of rules, regulation have been passed. Now is surely the time to allow people to decide for themselves. Yes there are idiots (hence the rules) but the vast majority can be relied on to follow common sense. We must, and should for all manner of reasons do the right thing and start living more normally again.
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23/11/2020 18:03:51 16 3
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If only those idiots didn't go out and mingle then that would work. But they don't, so it wouldn't. The right thing is to continue to contain the spread.
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DG
23/11/2020 18:06:57 3 4
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The biggest problem with your statement is that we don't know who the super-spreaders are. A lot of snowflakes (under 25's) have been shown to have Covid., but these same people go to the pubs, get drunk, ignore SD, never wear a mask and infect the older generation all the way up to the grand oldies.
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23/11/2020 17:45:30 13 15
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Tests for students is pointless - they are all superspreaders, as proven in the last few months
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DG
23/11/2020 18:01:17 12 14
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Quite right. The WHO stated that the problem throughout the world lies with the under 25's - Snowflakes, selfish individuals with arrogance to match.
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23/11/2020 18:23:01 2 4
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Is personal insult the only argument you can muster
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23/11/2020 18:34:57 2 2
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Lol, lot easier to social distance when you're an old fart with no friends.

If the government reopens pubs tells young people it's fine to go to them again, then they will go. Don't pretend you'd have been any different when you were that age.
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23/11/2020 19:13:53 0 1
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Spot on. A few students on HYS will disagree of course, but they're part of the problem.
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23/11/2020 18:01:23 3 15
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Communism
And is that Laura Kuenssberg with her hair dyed blue for that TV drama ‘Lynn & Lucy’ advertised in the page footer bar at the bottom of the screen?!

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23/11/2020 18:01:00 5 13
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Millions of words have been written about Covid, millions of opinions on HYS, Hundreds of rules, regulation have been passed. Now is surely the time to allow people to decide for themselves. Yes there are idiots (hence the rules) but the vast majority can be relied on to follow common sense. We must, and should for all manner of reasons do the right thing and start living more normally again.
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23/11/2020 18:03:51 16 3
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If only those idiots didn't go out and mingle then that would work. But they don't, so it wouldn't. The right thing is to continue to contain the spread.
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23/11/2020 18:03:30 13 14
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What...no free meals for the poor luvvies.
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23/11/2020 18:01:00 5 13
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Millions of words have been written about Covid, millions of opinions on HYS, Hundreds of rules, regulation have been passed. Now is surely the time to allow people to decide for themselves. Yes there are idiots (hence the rules) but the vast majority can be relied on to follow common sense. We must, and should for all manner of reasons do the right thing and start living more normally again.
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DG
23/11/2020 18:06:57 3 4
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The biggest problem with your statement is that we don't know who the super-spreaders are. A lot of snowflakes (under 25's) have been shown to have Covid., but these same people go to the pubs, get drunk, ignore SD, never wear a mask and infect the older generation all the way up to the grand oldies.
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23/11/2020 18:25:07 1 3
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Why the personal insults?
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23/11/2020 18:07:33 6 5
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What is the cost of this?
What’s the chances of catching the virus if using public transport or seeing their friends back home.
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23/11/2020 17:43:03 62 15
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University is a strange place now. Back in my day, would have that much alcohol in me it would have killed any virus stone dead
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23/11/2020 18:08:23 47 6
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Gosh! I remember those days when going for a blood test...
Doctor: "You're a student?"
Me: "Yes."
Doctor: "Ok. We just gonna check how much blood you have in your alcohol stream before we proceed..."
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23/11/2020 18:00:00 6 7
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If you could guarantee against false positives this would be fine

But the evidence is suggesting there is still way to many false positives leading to 1 in 200 student being wrongly asked to remain behind

This isolation of say 1 student in a hall is effectively solitary confinement (which whilst better in an era of social media) is still bordering on the cruel et al

2nd test in 2 days please
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DG
23/11/2020 18:09:48 7 4
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It's better to have a student confined to barracks because of a false positive than many that may die if the test was a false negative (false neg's exist too)
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23/11/2020 19:04:55 0 0
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It is true there will be some over 60's in the parent group although you need to be over 70 to be at significant risk.

The main advantage is that students will have been exposed so they'll either be recovered or already were immune so are probably very low risk.
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23/11/2020 18:00:00 6 7
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If you could guarantee against false positives this would be fine

But the evidence is suggesting there is still way to many false positives leading to 1 in 200 student being wrongly asked to remain behind

This isolation of say 1 student in a hall is effectively solitary confinement (which whilst better in an era of social media) is still bordering on the cruel et al

2nd test in 2 days please
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23/11/2020 18:10:46 4 2
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Diddums not want to be on his own for three days? Bless.
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23/11/2020 18:52:40 0 2
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Isolation is more than three days, have you been under a rock this year?
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23/11/2020 18:11:13 56 24
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Ahh, yes...it’s all because of the young folk. Because none of us were ever young and daft. But whenever I see flagrant abuses of the rules it’s not just young people, it’s many people across all age groups. And let’s be clear, it’s not young people who are managing the UK’s response to the pandemic and making a Horlicks of it, it’s middle aged blokes who caught it themselves.
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23/11/2020 18:49:15 18 20
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I was young and daft (but not during a global pandemic).
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24/11/2020 11:09:40 0 0
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No most are not. Just media likes to portray this nasty cult of bad behavoir, drunkeness, drug taking partying as their idea of normal. No one of any generation of my family, university attending or not has ever done any of it.
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23/11/2020 18:11:26 21 23
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It should be mandatory!! The scenes caught on camera of many students partying and drinking whilst on lockdown was an absolute disgrace and and complete insult to the rest of us law abiders not to mention those who have since died and those on the front line.

The reason the R level went up was due to students.

Shame on you!
Take your tests, go home and stay home!

You are not welcome back!!!
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23/11/2020 18:30:47 11 6
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Absolutely spot on.
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23/11/2020 19:07:38 1 0
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Ignorant, vastly overgeneralised clap trap.
Is that Laura Kuenssberg with her hair dyed blue for that TV drama ‘Lynn & Lucy’ advertised in the page footer bar at the bottom of the screen?!

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23/11/2020 18:14:00 2 11
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Reminds me of the Dunkirk Spirit.

Lets get our brave boys (and girls) home safely for Christmas !
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23/11/2020 18:16:13 10 5
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Pretty sure that’s a completely inappropriate comparison.
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23/11/2020 18:16:08 9 9
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Makes sense, it should be mandatory, and they should be returned negative before any are allowed to even look at an exit door.
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23/11/2020 19:05:14 7 1
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Most students don’t live on campus and the vast majority obey the rules.
By your logic, every member of the public should have mandatory testing before leaving the house.
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23/11/2020 18:14:00 2 11
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Reminds me of the Dunkirk Spirit.

Lets get our brave boys (and girls) home safely for Christmas !
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23/11/2020 18:16:13 10 5
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Pretty sure that’s a completely inappropriate comparison.
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23/11/2020 18:41:19 3 1
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Yes, could well be and you might well be right but even you are not sure

I wouldn't have made that remark but thankfully that is my choice, just as it is their choice to make it

But the real issue comes if you or I were to try to prevent him or her from saying it simply because one might only 'think' that it is inappropriate, we have gone far enough down that road already
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23/11/2020 19:06:59 1 0
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I thought it was a sarcastic jibe!
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23/11/2020 18:16:22 5 10
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I,m glad we are switching back to the failed tier system, it make good Boris sense.
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23/11/2020 18:17:32 20 10
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When you are dead, you don’t know that you are dead. It is difficult only for others.

It’s same when you are stupid.

When there is no black & white, better to be safe than sorry!

Don’t be Show off& Covidgangster, wear mask.
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23/11/2020 19:02:56 16 7
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As a Brit in Germany, we've been wearing masks since April. 10 people die in Germany and Angie's talking about a lockdown. 100 people die in England and Boris and Madcock are talking about 'imitating the action of the tiger' and 'stiffening the sinews'. Whilst forgetting 'close the wall up with our English dead'. Or is that Brexit he's talking about? Sorry! Someone had to say the B-word. It's HYS.
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23/11/2020 18:20:43 12 8
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Again more speculation than facts.

I presume university students are not the only ones travelling home for Xmas....for example MPs; folks working away from home. No mention of that, particularly senior MPs in government and respective advisers and Civil Servants.

Yet again incomplete information, needless speculation and also apparent bias.
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DG
23/11/2020 18:01:17 12 14
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Quite right. The WHO stated that the problem throughout the world lies with the under 25's - Snowflakes, selfish individuals with arrogance to match.
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23/11/2020 18:23:01 2 4
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Is personal insult the only argument you can muster
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23/11/2020 19:08:17 0 0
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Is imaginary insults something you studied at university?
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23/11/2020 18:24:36 8 8
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Mass migration, what a good idea during a world pandemic
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23/11/2020 20:54:22 0 0
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lock them up without charge eh? solitary confinement too.
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23/11/2020 18:06:57 3 4
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The biggest problem with your statement is that we don't know who the super-spreaders are. A lot of snowflakes (under 25's) have been shown to have Covid., but these same people go to the pubs, get drunk, ignore SD, never wear a mask and infect the older generation all the way up to the grand oldies.
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23/11/2020 18:25:07 1 3
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Why the personal insults?
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23/11/2020 19:04:34 1 1
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There weren't any.

Why the fabricated claim?
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23/11/2020 18:28:03 4 10
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The Govt. is demob happy now that big pharma has bailed it out. It's all cost a lot of money, and has destroyed a lot of future prospects, but Boris can get back to bashing the EU now.
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23/11/2020 18:59:55 2 1
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Grow up & take your BDS medicine.
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23/11/2020 18:30:11 15 3
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If going abroad (mostly) two tests are required, as in if you don't have them you are not going, to prevent the spread and the same should be the case here

Great news on the vaccines front and stunning achievements from all concerned and a British contender coming good is excellent

I was slightly surprised at the early headline only stating 70% efficacy when that is not strictly correct
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23/11/2020 18:38:29 15 17
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Expect negatively reporting from BBC
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23/11/2020 23:45:21 0 1
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Can't have the Beb celebrating a British success.
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23/11/2020 17:43:03 62 15
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University is a strange place now. Back in my day, would have that much alcohol in me it would have killed any virus stone dead
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23/11/2020 18:30:17 10 11
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As a uni student I can confirm we still drink alcohol

Don't know what kind of news outlets you've been watching that makes you think this is no longer the case....
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23/11/2020 18:59:40 18 0
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Daughter is at Uni, says that students don't drink that much now. Also when Manc Uni students were complaining that their food parcels had no vegetables in it. I lived on pot noodles, fish fingers and burgers that inflated. What they got would have been classed a luxury in my day
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24/11/2020 07:31:15 0 0
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We also had a sense of humour back in our day.
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23/11/2020 18:31:26 66 18
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What is the point when 10 million kids go home every night from school.
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23/11/2020 18:59:05 28 51
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If you can't work that out, you're part of the problem...
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23/11/2020 22:44:01 1 0
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Students don't stay in like the kids do
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23/11/2020 22:46:09 5 0
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kids don;t go to the pub and ignore social distancing
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23/11/2020 17:45:30 13 15
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Tests for students is pointless - they are all superspreaders, as proven in the last few months
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23/11/2020 18:34:17 3 1
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They're all drama queens a naw
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DG
23/11/2020 18:01:17 12 14
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Quite right. The WHO stated that the problem throughout the world lies with the under 25's - Snowflakes, selfish individuals with arrogance to match.
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23/11/2020 18:34:57 2 2
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Lol, lot easier to social distance when you're an old fart with no friends.

If the government reopens pubs tells young people it's fine to go to them again, then they will go. Don't pretend you'd have been any different when you were that age.
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23/11/2020 18:11:26 21 23
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It should be mandatory!! The scenes caught on camera of many students partying and drinking whilst on lockdown was an absolute disgrace and and complete insult to the rest of us law abiders not to mention those who have since died and those on the front line.

The reason the R level went up was due to students.

Shame on you!
Take your tests, go home and stay home!

You are not welcome back!!!
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23/11/2020 18:30:47 11 6
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Absolutely spot on.
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23/11/2020 18:37:49 29 13
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Should have mandatory tests for all students before they return home and then tests again before they return to Uni. to reduce the chance of the same debacle that happened at the start of the university year
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23/11/2020 19:15:34 29 3
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As long as the same rules apply to every adult moving around at Christmas.
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23/11/2020 20:25:10 10 1
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Yep, my daughter is a 2nd year student in mental health nursing and goes out of her way to go back to uni every week for a test to try and keep patients safe on her placement. Many students have a greater respect for this virus than most mature adults i know!
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24/11/2020 07:43:37 0 0
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Yes they should have mandatory tests (DNA collections) then mandatory vaccines followed by the mandatory slavery of body and mind. of the survivors. Best thing all round.
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23/11/2020 18:37:52 10 21
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Who cares, those fools were a main part of the reason that rates were on the rise. Do not waste tests on them
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23/11/2020 18:30:11 15 3
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If going abroad (mostly) two tests are required, as in if you don't have them you are not going, to prevent the spread and the same should be the case here

Great news on the vaccines front and stunning achievements from all concerned and a British contender coming good is excellent

I was slightly surprised at the early headline only stating 70% efficacy when that is not strictly correct
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23/11/2020 18:38:29 15 17
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Expect negatively reporting from BBC
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23/11/2020 18:39:38 9 13
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Haven't seen my daughter since February, she won't be home for Christmas either. She's a teacher and to top it off, her salary has been frozen ( after MP's had theirs). A nice way to say thanks. But students go home!!
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23/11/2020 20:19:44 1 0
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Many people will be getting a P45 by way of thanks for observing lockdowns and restrictions.
And anyone who thinks lockdowns are the way forward then they can't complain when the public purse is tightened to pay for the economic effects.
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23/11/2020 18:16:13 10 5
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Pretty sure that’s a completely inappropriate comparison.
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23/11/2020 18:41:19 3 1
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Yes, could well be and you might well be right but even you are not sure

I wouldn't have made that remark but thankfully that is my choice, just as it is their choice to make it

But the real issue comes if you or I were to try to prevent him or her from saying it simply because one might only 'think' that it is inappropriate, we have gone far enough down that road already
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23/11/2020 18:55:03 2 0
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Alright, let me be clear. Students will most likely not die, those rescued in Dunkirk would have died. Apologies for having to explain the blindingly obvious to you.
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23/11/2020 19:02:28 0 0
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I think they're being microaggressive & should be deplatformed...
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23/11/2020 18:42:20 11 8
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For many students these will be the only tests they'll ever take!!
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1/2 million go uni yrly under 50% get graduate level jobs.That is including vocational jobs such as nurses etc most of whoms salary never gets out of 20 thousands.
Nothing else for kids so they go to uni.
Time for apprenticeships etc to be developed.
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23/11/2020 18:51:15 17 0
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It is ridiculous that student Nurses are expected to rack up huge debts while generally having to work far harder than the average student. It is right that their skills are recognised with a degree, but a more vocational approach would be better

Higher education needs to be targeted, students spend a fortune studying media studies just so they can work in Costa.
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23/11/2020 18:52:11 6 1
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Blairs idea to reduce unemployment numbers
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23/11/2020 18:53:53 3 1
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Why not test to see whose had it and built up T cell resistance instead of if you have it now tests
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23/11/2020 18:46:29 31 4
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All students should take the tests as have been offered, in particular if they will be socialising with other more vulnerable people over Christmas.

I don't see the issue with this at all.
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23/11/2020 21:52:35 9 0
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Nor do I. Certainly a lot better than the non starter of an idea that they should stay on campus for the Christmas period.
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24/11/2020 07:36:30 0 0
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There are actually a whole host of issues with it.
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23/11/2020 18:48:03 2 1
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To then come out and meet a friendly none university mate who's covid positive and doesn't know it like a biological version of chines whispers
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23/11/2020 19:09:54 2 0
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Have another go.
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23/11/2020 18:11:13 56 24
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Ahh, yes...it’s all because of the young folk. Because none of us were ever young and daft. But whenever I see flagrant abuses of the rules it’s not just young people, it’s many people across all age groups. And let’s be clear, it’s not young people who are managing the UK’s response to the pandemic and making a Horlicks of it, it’s middle aged blokes who caught it themselves.
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23/11/2020 18:49:15 18 20
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I was young and daft (but not during a global pandemic).
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23/11/2020 21:36:31 4 1
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No because you never had to live through one when you were younger. Or were you around for the Spanish flu. Guarantee you wouldn't have cared either if you were young
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24/11/2020 07:34:39 0 1
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... maybe in a pandemic but it's fine to be young and have fun in a scamdemic such as this :)
1/2 million go uni yrly under 50% get graduate level jobs.That is including vocational jobs such as nurses etc most of whoms salary never gets out of 20 thousands.
Nothing else for kids so they go to uni.
Time for apprenticeships etc to be developed.
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23/11/2020 18:51:15 17 0
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It is ridiculous that student Nurses are expected to rack up huge debts while generally having to work far harder than the average student. It is right that their skills are recognised with a degree, but a more vocational approach would be better

Higher education needs to be targeted, students spend a fortune studying media studies just so they can work in Costa.
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23/11/2020 19:08:41 3 1
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Agreed. Maybe students don't need to study 'media studies' or 'latin' or 'medieval art'. Maybe study a subject that will actually get them a job at the end.
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23/11/2020 19:45:03 2 0
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Tell that to the Royal College. It is the RC that has pushed up the entry requirements to degree level rather than learning on the job. The days are gone when a Head of Nurse Education would go to Ireland for a week and come back with the next intake of dedicated and compassionate student nurses!
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23/11/2020 19:48:56 3 1
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What about the amount that students studying to become doctors have to pay. 5 years is a long time studying with not much thanks at the end of it but a bucket load of debt and don’t get me started on the astronomical figures people think they get as wages when in reality they get little more than the average call centre worker per hour when worked out by the hours they actually do work .
1/2 million go uni yrly under 50% get graduate level jobs.That is including vocational jobs such as nurses etc most of whoms salary never gets out of 20 thousands.
Nothing else for kids so they go to uni.
Time for apprenticeships etc to be developed.
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23/11/2020 18:52:11 6 1
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Blairs idea to reduce unemployment numbers
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23/11/2020 18:10:46 4 2
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Diddums not want to be on his own for three days? Bless.
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23/11/2020 18:52:40 0 2
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Isolation is more than three days, have you been under a rock this year?
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23/11/2020 18:56:02 2 0
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Other than a weekly trip to the supermarket, I effectively spent the whole of the first lockdown on my own - working remotely. That is a small price to pay, as is asking students to stay in halls until they have a clear test.

The real question is what sort of person would WANT to go back to their family after a positive test - unless they really hate their parents.
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23/11/2020 17:48:08 22 17
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better start on december 3rd because they will all be ignoring distancing and dancing in the streets
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What, all of them? P*ss off. Removed
1/2 million go uni yrly under 50% get graduate level jobs.That is including vocational jobs such as nurses etc most of whoms salary never gets out of 20 thousands.
Nothing else for kids so they go to uni.
Time for apprenticeships etc to be developed.
Removed
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23/11/2020 18:53:53 3 1
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Why not test to see whose had it and built up T cell resistance instead of if you have it now tests
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23/11/2020 18:54:07 3 1
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Do they follow all the voluntary positives with a 2nd test to confirm. Otherwise the numbers they uncovered in Liverpool with 200k testing found only about 2 times the number that their accuracy figures suggest. Specificity rate of 99.6% should find c800 false positives, if testing that amount. Retesting should pretty much eliminate that and stop many hundreds isolating without reason.
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23/11/2020 18:54:24 3 2
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I believe most have gone home already based on attendance levels.
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23/11/2020 18:41:19 3 1
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Yes, could well be and you might well be right but even you are not sure

I wouldn't have made that remark but thankfully that is my choice, just as it is their choice to make it

But the real issue comes if you or I were to try to prevent him or her from saying it simply because one might only 'think' that it is inappropriate, we have gone far enough down that road already
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23/11/2020 18:55:03 2 0
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Alright, let me be clear. Students will most likely not die, those rescued in Dunkirk would have died. Apologies for having to explain the blindingly obvious to you.
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23/11/2020 19:09:08 0 0
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I agree with your observation that the comment is not a comparable analogy

However, in todays climate I disagree that it was 'blindingly obvious'

In this PC mad world it seemed to me that you could well have been referring to the secondary and not equal reference to (girls), that would have been the expectation by today's standards

So it could be me apologising to you actually
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23/11/2020 18:55:20 65 13
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Some awful student haters on here tonight I see, thankfully you’re not running the country. My daughter is a first year student and, along with pretty much everyone in her halls caught Covid after 2 weeks, despite following the rules. Dutifully isolated for 2 weeks and, like many students, will now be immune for at least a few months. I feel perfectly safe with her returning home.
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23/11/2020 19:22:51 18 1
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As you should. And she'll be fine when she goes back.
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23/11/2020 19:58:34 9 20
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Just because she 'had the virus' does not mean she cannot bring it home with her. She I seriously doubt she caught it by following the rules, she was put partying with all the other kids breaking rules.

If you think your child is the exception who is doing everything right, then you're more naive than the uni kids who think the virus isn't dangerous.
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23/11/2020 20:13:37 16 8
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I suspect those who have a downer on students have never been students themselves. Or possibly have never even been young themselves judging by some of the sanctimonious claptrap being spouted on here.
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23/11/2020 18:52:40 0 2
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Isolation is more than three days, have you been under a rock this year?
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23/11/2020 18:56:02 2 0
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Other than a weekly trip to the supermarket, I effectively spent the whole of the first lockdown on my own - working remotely. That is a small price to pay, as is asking students to stay in halls until they have a clear test.

The real question is what sort of person would WANT to go back to their family after a positive test - unless they really hate their parents.
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23/11/2020 18:59:17 1 0
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I think you might find they are only just over peak parent hate and the parents might be quite glad of bit more time alone.
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23/11/2020 18:56:07 2 9
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Don't have one,it's disgraceful how the young are being brainwashed
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23/11/2020 19:26:05 0 0
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Any facts or could it be you are the one who has been brainwashed.
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23/11/2020 18:56:50 5 8
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I expect students will pay the same attention to being tested as they did to social distancing & washing their hands...
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23/11/2020 19:22:04 0 0
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You try social distancing in a house with 100 people in it.
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23/11/2020 18:31:26 66 18
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What is the point when 10 million kids go home every night from school.
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23/11/2020 18:59:05 28 51
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If you can't work that out, you're part of the problem...
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23/11/2020 18:56:02 2 0
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Other than a weekly trip to the supermarket, I effectively spent the whole of the first lockdown on my own - working remotely. That is a small price to pay, as is asking students to stay in halls until they have a clear test.

The real question is what sort of person would WANT to go back to their family after a positive test - unless they really hate their parents.
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23/11/2020 18:59:17 1 0
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I think you might find they are only just over peak parent hate and the parents might be quite glad of bit more time alone.
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23/11/2020 18:59:39 4 4
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Err, aren't the pubs re-opening in December with an extended drinking up time ? plenty of opportunity for socialising whilst isolating to further incense the "lock up all the students and throw away the key" brigade. The covid horse bolted around 9 months ago people, just keep that stable door open for it to come limping back when the vaccine is deployed.
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23/11/2020 18:30:17 10 11
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As a uni student I can confirm we still drink alcohol

Don't know what kind of news outlets you've been watching that makes you think this is no longer the case....
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23/11/2020 18:59:40 18 0
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Daughter is at Uni, says that students don't drink that much now. Also when Manc Uni students were complaining that their food parcels had no vegetables in it. I lived on pot noodles, fish fingers and burgers that inflated. What they got would have been classed a luxury in my day
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23/11/2020 19:34:57 11 0
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I hear you! I came from a poor family. Pot Noodle? Luxury.

My kids (twins) went to seperate Unis and both did really well and found great jobs afterwards.

When talking to them about what I DID and what they DIDN'T do at Uni, we seemed worlds apart.

Different generations. Time for the pipe and slippers methinks. I remember when it were all fields around here etc etc.
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23/11/2020 18:28:03 4 10
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The Govt. is demob happy now that big pharma has bailed it out. It's all cost a lot of money, and has destroyed a lot of future prospects, but Boris can get back to bashing the EU now.
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23/11/2020 18:59:55 2 1
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Grow up & take your BDS medicine.
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23/11/2020 19:01:14 2 2
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studunce...
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23/11/2020 19:02:10 2 4
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What did the government really think was likely to happen when these kids went back to big school? Give me a break. They can't even l;ook after themselves when they are at home. And nor they are letting them home (which is good BUT). They'll all gonuts over Xmas and then we'll all be infected yet again and another lockdown. Madness. Is there anyone in government with a brain cell? Answer is NO!
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23/11/2020 19:02:19 2 4
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Hope this isn't the same type of test the govt announced all patient facing NHS staff would have.... ie one that the govt promises but doesnt actually bother providing.
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23/11/2020 19:24:53 1 0
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With you there, I have several family members who work in care homes, they are still awaiting the weekly test that were promised to start in June, Guess what no testing to date and now there has been an outbreak .
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23/11/2020 18:41:19 3 1
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Yes, could well be and you might well be right but even you are not sure

I wouldn't have made that remark but thankfully that is my choice, just as it is their choice to make it

But the real issue comes if you or I were to try to prevent him or her from saying it simply because one might only 'think' that it is inappropriate, we have gone far enough down that road already
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23/11/2020 19:02:28 0 0
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I think they're being microaggressive & should be deplatformed...
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23/11/2020 18:17:32 20 10
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When you are dead, you don’t know that you are dead. It is difficult only for others.

It’s same when you are stupid.

When there is no black & white, better to be safe than sorry!

Don’t be Show off& Covidgangster, wear mask.
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23/11/2020 19:02:56 16 7
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As a Brit in Germany, we've been wearing masks since April. 10 people die in Germany and Angie's talking about a lockdown. 100 people die in England and Boris and Madcock are talking about 'imitating the action of the tiger' and 'stiffening the sinews'. Whilst forgetting 'close the wall up with our English dead'. Or is that Brexit he's talking about? Sorry! Someone had to say the B-word. It's HYS.
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23/11/2020 20:00:44 2 0
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Good post
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23/11/2020 19:04:10 1 6
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They'll do mass testing of students and the false positives new infection case will rise as a result, then the GOV will claim infection cases are on the rise again.
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23/11/2020 18:25:07 1 3
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Why the personal insults?
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23/11/2020 19:04:34 1 1
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There weren't any.

Why the fabricated claim?
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DG
23/11/2020 18:09:48 7 4
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It's better to have a student confined to barracks because of a false positive than many that may die if the test was a false negative (false neg's exist too)
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23/11/2020 19:04:55 0 0
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It is true there will be some over 60's in the parent group although you need to be over 70 to be at significant risk.

The main advantage is that students will have been exposed so they'll either be recovered or already were immune so are probably very low risk.
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23/11/2020 18:16:08 9 9
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Makes sense, it should be mandatory, and they should be returned negative before any are allowed to even look at an exit door.
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23/11/2020 19:05:14 7 1
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Most students don’t live on campus and the vast majority obey the rules.
By your logic, every member of the public should have mandatory testing before leaving the house.
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23/11/2020 19:05:28 1 3
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Sounds like a good plan. No doubt the cynical comments will rain down however as usual.
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23/11/2020 19:05:33 36 10
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Let’s remember something you lot, students are human beings so let’s treat them as such, boisterous at times yes but that’s youth, we have all been there. Give them a break
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23/11/2020 19:10:45 12 34
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They had one when they went back to Uni in September.
They blew it.
No more breaks.
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23/11/2020 19:59:58 4 2
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Well said
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24/11/2020 11:12:16 1 0
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No, we have not all been there. This bad behavoir being regarded as usual is nonsense for most. Far more thesecdays are ensconced with their Playstation than 'being boisterous' .
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23/11/2020 19:06:10 24 4
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Have I understood the plan here?
1. End lockdown and ease restrictions
2. Allow hundreds of thousands of people to move all over the country from all over the country.
3. When they're home ease the restrictions far more for a while.
4. Allow the hundreds of thousands of people to move all of the country from all over the country again.
5. Express surprise at increased spread of the virus.
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23/11/2020 19:39:03 11 14
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Not just from England, from all 4 countries of the UK! Well probably not Scotland as they get their uni education for free.
Thanks to subsidies from England, even though they don't want to be part of the UK.
It is time Scotland was sent on its own way.
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23/11/2020 19:06:31 58 8
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Students spread disease more than the general population because they come from all over the country/world and mix in a central location. This is a common and well understood phenomenon and has nothing to do with their morals or behaviour which do not appear to be any worse than the general population's.
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23/11/2020 19:29:09 36 9
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Where on earth do you get these stories from. My daughter is up at Loughborough, 5 girls in one house, all self isolating voluntarily and working, only going to the library if need be, will all drive back in one car and drop off as required. They're not alone either. Many students have more sense than the general public. Foreign students do the same BYW
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23/11/2020 19:06:32 10 3
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It would be more sensible to test them before they return to uni. That caused big spikes in every university town and city before and it will again. No logic to it.
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23/11/2020 19:30:39 14 1
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The most sensible would be to test before they go home, then again before they return. I have read that this is the approach being considered but we don't know what the position will be in January
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23/11/2020 18:16:13 10 5
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Pretty sure that’s a completely inappropriate comparison.
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23/11/2020 19:06:59 1 0
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I thought it was a sarcastic jibe!
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23/11/2020 18:11:26 21 23
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It should be mandatory!! The scenes caught on camera of many students partying and drinking whilst on lockdown was an absolute disgrace and and complete insult to the rest of us law abiders not to mention those who have since died and those on the front line.

The reason the R level went up was due to students.

Shame on you!
Take your tests, go home and stay home!

You are not welcome back!!!
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23/11/2020 19:07:38 1 0
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Ignorant, vastly overgeneralised clap trap.
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23/11/2020 19:21:50 0 0
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Students typically did what they like sent the R rate soaring. No coincidence we saw a huge spike when they returned to their 'education '
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23/11/2020 18:23:01 2 4
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Is personal insult the only argument you can muster
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23/11/2020 19:08:17 0 0
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Is imaginary insults something you studied at university?
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23/11/2020 18:51:15 17 0
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It is ridiculous that student Nurses are expected to rack up huge debts while generally having to work far harder than the average student. It is right that their skills are recognised with a degree, but a more vocational approach would be better

Higher education needs to be targeted, students spend a fortune studying media studies just so they can work in Costa.
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23/11/2020 19:08:41 3 1
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Agreed. Maybe students don't need to study 'media studies' or 'latin' or 'medieval art'. Maybe study a subject that will actually get them a job at the end.
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23/11/2020 19:09:04 0 3
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Is there a window for SNP MP's including irresponsible ones who refuse to resign?

Quite a lot of students are picked up by their parents still so surely they could reasonably travel at any point in time since they aren't likely to contact others on the way except in the covid exchange or motorway services as they are known.

All indoor public spaces are a bad - supermarkets spring to mind.
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23/11/2020 19:24:50 0 0
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Regarding "covid exchange or motorway services as they are known" -- motorway service areas tend to include an outside area with trees, where some people may be able to do what would otherwise require entering the building.
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23/11/2020 19:35:01 0 0
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SNP and their free university tuition. Who is subsidising this particularly when Scotland clearly no longer wants to be part of the UK. Why are English MP's and party leaders not proposing an end to this unequal union?
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23/11/2020 18:55:03 2 0
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Alright, let me be clear. Students will most likely not die, those rescued in Dunkirk would have died. Apologies for having to explain the blindingly obvious to you.
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23/11/2020 19:09:08 0 0
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I agree with your observation that the comment is not a comparable analogy

However, in todays climate I disagree that it was 'blindingly obvious'

In this PC mad world it seemed to me that you could well have been referring to the secondary and not equal reference to (girls), that would have been the expectation by today's standards

So it could be me apologising to you actually
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23/11/2020 18:48:03 2 1
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To then come out and meet a friendly none university mate who's covid positive and doesn't know it like a biological version of chines whispers
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23/11/2020 19:09:54 2 0
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Have another go.
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23/11/2020 19:05:33 36 10
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Let’s remember something you lot, students are human beings so let’s treat them as such, boisterous at times yes but that’s youth, we have all been there. Give them a break
85
23/11/2020 19:10:45 12 34
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They had one when they went back to Uni in September.
They blew it.
No more breaks.
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23/11/2020 19:17:08 1 6
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Well done you
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23/11/2020 19:20:15 12 5
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How did they blow it? They go to Uni, they meet people. What did you do when you were a student? Aaah, you weren't one were you? You're way too dumb to have got in.
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23/11/2020 18:00:00 6 7
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If you could guarantee against false positives this would be fine

But the evidence is suggesting there is still way to many false positives leading to 1 in 200 student being wrongly asked to remain behind

This isolation of say 1 student in a hall is effectively solitary confinement (which whilst better in an era of social media) is still bordering on the cruel et al

2nd test in 2 days please
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23/11/2020 19:11:13 0 0
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Why can't the snowflakes be on their own for a few days? Hardly life changing is it?
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23/11/2020 17:43:03 62 15
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University is a strange place now. Back in my day, would have that much alcohol in me it would have killed any virus stone dead
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23/11/2020 19:11:45 8 0
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We had random drugs tests in the army.

I had one once on a Friday morning about 9am (Thursday is the big drinking army night :- Squadron Bar Day).

I was struggling that much to go.....When I finally gave my sample to the sergeant, he replied....'F*£k me Jones....Drinking Foster's last night or have you just poured some in this' hehe
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23/11/2020 19:12:07 2 2
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I have a lot of concern that we’ve just stopped reporting on the low sensitivity of these tests. Depending on which study you look at, the sensitivity of PCR on nose/throat swabs might be as low as 60%. I think we’ve all stopped talking about this because we don’t have any better options. I think it’s still important to be aware that you can get a negative result even if you do have COVID.
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23/11/2020 19:17:58 5 0
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And a positive one if you don't. That's why they're making them take two tests. For once, a sensible idea. Two negative tests and off you go!
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23/11/2020 19:27:38 1 0
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I think they are using lateral flow not PCR and they will have two tests . In Liverpool, a person with positive lateral flow is also offered a PCR. sensible move
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23/11/2020 19:27:43 1 0
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Good point. They also generate a small % of false positives. This is why pre-Covid doctors only tended to use PCR tests to confirm a diagnosis when a patient has presented with symptoms. Use of such tests for randomised population tests is never going to give particularly reliable outputs.
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DG
23/11/2020 18:01:17 12 14
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Quite right. The WHO stated that the problem throughout the world lies with the under 25's - Snowflakes, selfish individuals with arrogance to match.
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23/11/2020 19:13:53 0 1
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Spot on. A few students on HYS will disagree of course, but they're part of the problem.
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23/11/2020 18:37:49 29 13
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Should have mandatory tests for all students before they return home and then tests again before they return to Uni. to reduce the chance of the same debacle that happened at the start of the university year
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23/11/2020 19:15:34 29 3
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As long as the same rules apply to every adult moving around at Christmas.
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23/11/2020 20:25:40 3 2
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But would anyone objectively suggest that over a million people should all get on the move during a pandemic? And I would be quite happy to have a test if I intended to travel to stay somewhere else.
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23/11/2020 19:10:45 12 34
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They had one when they went back to Uni in September.
They blew it.
No more breaks.
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23/11/2020 19:17:08 1 6
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Well done you
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23/11/2020 17:48:08 22 17
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better start on december 3rd because they will all be ignoring distancing and dancing in the streets
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23/11/2020 19:17:50 4 0
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Ignorant claptrap.
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23/11/2020 19:12:07 2 2
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I have a lot of concern that we’ve just stopped reporting on the low sensitivity of these tests. Depending on which study you look at, the sensitivity of PCR on nose/throat swabs might be as low as 60%. I think we’ve all stopped talking about this because we don’t have any better options. I think it’s still important to be aware that you can get a negative result even if you do have COVID.
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23/11/2020 19:17:58 5 0
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And a positive one if you don't. That's why they're making them take two tests. For once, a sensible idea. Two negative tests and off you go!
85
23/11/2020 19:10:45 12 34
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They had one when they went back to Uni in September.
They blew it.
No more breaks.
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23/11/2020 19:20:15 12 5
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How did they blow it? They go to Uni, they meet people. What did you do when you were a student? Aaah, you weren't one were you? You're way too dumb to have got in.
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23/11/2020 18:56:50 5 8
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I expect students will pay the same attention to being tested as they did to social distancing & washing their hands...
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23/11/2020 19:22:04 0 0
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You try social distancing in a house with 100 people in it.
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23/11/2020 18:55:20 65 13
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Some awful student haters on here tonight I see, thankfully you’re not running the country. My daughter is a first year student and, along with pretty much everyone in her halls caught Covid after 2 weeks, despite following the rules. Dutifully isolated for 2 weeks and, like many students, will now be immune for at least a few months. I feel perfectly safe with her returning home.
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23/11/2020 19:22:51 18 1
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As you should. And she'll be fine when she goes back.
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23/11/2020 19:07:38 1 0
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Ignorant, vastly overgeneralised clap trap.
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23/11/2020 19:21:50 0 0
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Students typically did what they like sent the R rate soaring. No coincidence we saw a huge spike when they returned to their 'education '
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23/11/2020 19:09:04 0 3
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Is there a window for SNP MP's including irresponsible ones who refuse to resign?

Quite a lot of students are picked up by their parents still so surely they could reasonably travel at any point in time since they aren't likely to contact others on the way except in the covid exchange or motorway services as they are known.

All indoor public spaces are a bad - supermarkets spring to mind.
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23/11/2020 19:24:50 0 0
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Regarding "covid exchange or motorway services as they are known" -- motorway service areas tend to include an outside area with trees, where some people may be able to do what would otherwise require entering the building.
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23/11/2020 19:02:19 2 4
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Hope this isn't the same type of test the govt announced all patient facing NHS staff would have.... ie one that the govt promises but doesnt actually bother providing.
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23/11/2020 19:24:53 1 0
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With you there, I have several family members who work in care homes, they are still awaiting the weekly test that were promised to start in June, Guess what no testing to date and now there has been an outbreak .
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23/11/2020 20:10:40 0 0
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Maybe your family members should be looking at their employer for answers as to why they haven't had their weekly tests. My wife started working in a care home in August and has been receiving a weekly test from day 1.

I wouldn't put it past some of these companies who own care homes to be purposely with-holding testing to avoid losing employees for 2 weeks if anyone tests positive.
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23/11/2020 19:24:57 24 7
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On the twelve days of Christmas Covid made me:

£12,000 in debt (per year)
11 friends infected
10 Bog rolls
9 essays to write
8 months to normal
7 days a week on pasta
6 pack of supermarket lager
5 Tins of Tuna!
4 relations paying
3 Vitamin D tabs
2 jabs of Vaccine
And 1 Year missed!
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23/11/2020 19:47:56 9 1
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That much tuna you need to watch out for high mercury levels!
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23/11/2020 20:03:15 4 0
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Very good LD Rob.