Wins highlight glorious unpredictability
23/11/2020 | sport | golf | 56
After Dustin Johnson's obvious Masters win, Robert Streb's PGA Tour win last week shows freakish results can still happen in golf, writes Iain Carter.
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23/11/2020 14:26:07 8 6
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Breaking news, golf produces unexpected winners.

I never knew that, whatever next the BBC televising live golf.
With Brown and Atlas rambling on like the senile, stuck in the 70s, old farts they are? No thanks. And you can whinge like a 5 year old about sky sports presenters - if Murray wasn’t popular he’d have been booted long ago. The vast majority like his style of commentary, it’s the itsy bitsy forum basement dwellers who think they speak for said majority. Removed
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Ian
23/11/2020 22:39:15 0 1
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Shock, horror Woods and McIlroy not involved!
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23/11/2020 15:02:37 10 3
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It is ridiculous to describe a PGA tour victory by Streb, a first class player as a "freakish result". His wedge shot from 159 yards to one foot from the pin must surely be one of the finest shots of 2020.
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23/11/2020 15:17:58 5 8
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He was ranked 367 in the world. Seems a bit freaky to me....
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23/11/2020 15:02:37 10 3
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It is ridiculous to describe a PGA tour victory by Streb, a first class player as a "freakish result". His wedge shot from 159 yards to one foot from the pin must surely be one of the finest shots of 2020.
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23/11/2020 15:17:58 5 8
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He was ranked 367 in the world. Seems a bit freaky to me....
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23/11/2020 15:19:49 9 0
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Congrats to Streb. Yes the top dogs often win the big ones, but the unpredictability is one of the big draws to the competitive game.
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23/11/2020 15:45:16 27 0
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Article about relatively unknown players - people complain.

Article about the big names - people complain.

Great to see a story around perseverance of a couple of decent enough pro golfers.

As everyone high handicapper who has hit a shot out of the blue knows - its an unpredictable sport
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23/11/2020 16:30:20 10 0
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I agree - people just love to moan and moan and moan
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23/11/2020 15:45:45 4 1
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Coming from a country with a highest point of 170 metres above sea level, excellent work by Hansen to win at Jo'burg's altitude of 1750 metres.
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RSO
23/11/2020 16:05:30 16 4
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HARDLY FREAKISH IF HE WON THE SAME COMP 6 YEARS AGO
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23/11/2020 16:17:56 18 0
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Lets just congratulate Streb and Hansen on their wins rather than taking on the BBC labelling of freakish.

Streb stuck doggedly to his game when he got caught and his approach to the 18th on his 2nd play off hole was one of the shots of the season.
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23/11/2020 14:26:07 8 6
bbc
Breaking news, golf produces unexpected winners.

I never knew that, whatever next the BBC televising live golf.
With Brown and Atlas rambling on like the senile, stuck in the 70s, old farts they are? No thanks. And you can whinge like a 5 year old about sky sports presenters - if Murray wasn’t popular he’d have been booted long ago. The vast majority like his style of commentary, it’s the itsy bitsy forum basement dwellers who think they speak for said majority. Removed
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23/11/2020 15:45:16 27 0
bbc
Article about relatively unknown players - people complain.

Article about the big names - people complain.

Great to see a story around perseverance of a couple of decent enough pro golfers.

As everyone high handicapper who has hit a shot out of the blue knows - its an unpredictable sport
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23/11/2020 16:30:20 10 0
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I agree - people just love to moan and moan and moan
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23/11/2020 16:35:08 7 1
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Won’t see the usual bunch of basement dwellers commenting as they haven’t got their usual culprits to talk about.

Did amuse me with the commentators (PGA tour) thinking a 15/20mph gust was something akin to where I play where it frequently howls most days of the year. Served up better than normal watching vs them playing darts into the greens.
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23/11/2020 22:15:30 0 0
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Where ?
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23/11/2020 16:37:38 4 0
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Golf is notoriously one of the hardest games to bet on because the field, even after the cut is so big and any given player at any point during the 4 rounds, are capable of putting together a winning run of shots. It’s happened so many times in both Majors and Tour matches.... they come from nowhere and win it....they may be ranked high or low..anyone can do it...why is this win unbelievable
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23/11/2020 16:37:40 1 0
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Streb's victory if nothing else highlights that if you play on a course which isn't reliant upon how far you hit it off the tee, anyone can win. No surprise to see kisner up there too (another former winner of the event) who is great with the wedges and putter in hand.

Good win for JB - would have won before now if he could chip, seems to have improved vastly in this area
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23/11/2020 16:46:58 0 0
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Job has a fantastic swing. Hope he goes on to bigger things from this.
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23/11/2020 17:04:34 2 1
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It wasn't a quote Decent Field in USA - it was stronger than Europeantour has had in a very long time
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no
23/11/2020 17:37:22 12 2
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to call these freakish results is absolutely disgusting by carter,especially as there were no reports by the bbc on the south african tourney while it was going on,i wonder if he even bothered to watch it.
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djn
23/11/2020 22:43:32 1 2
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Lower ranked players winning a tournament is unlikely though, isn’t it?
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23/11/2020 17:47:10 2 0
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I asked my golfer friend about why every now and again a golfer can come out of the blue and win a tournament . It seems to be somewhat unique to Golf . My friend couldn't answer by the way. As an example Ben Curtis 2003 Open Winner
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23/11/2020 17:52:32 13 1
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Freakish is an insult to the dedication and talent of both players. No one wins a PGA or European Tour by sheer luck.
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Si
23/11/2020 19:14:28 5 0
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So the guy is 367th in the world and to win is a freak? Reality is anyone down to 1000 in the world is capable of shooting 4 rounds in the 60's. The problem is they don't often get the chance to do so on the big stage. These guys are winning peanuts normally and they have to worry about can they afford to get to the next tournament. It's different stress to the big names. But they can do it.
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23/11/2020 19:16:08 15 2
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I just wish he was known as Bert to give golf its first ever palindromic winner
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23/11/2020 20:37:53 0 7
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sport without crowds has been more beneficial for the less known, the best thrive under the spotlight and all I’m seeing now is those that ain’t good enough are producing under limited pressure, the sooner we can go and watch the better
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24/11/2020 13:31:15 0 0
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Wouldnt have made much difference in this tournament.
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23/11/2020 21:08:30 6 1
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I would like to thank Robert as i placed £5 win on him on Saturday morning at odds of 100/1
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24/11/2020 08:49:45 3 0
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Nice try but he was widely around 10/1 on Saturday morning. Think you added a zero for dramatic effect!!!
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23/11/2020 16:35:08 7 1
bbc
Won’t see the usual bunch of basement dwellers commenting as they haven’t got their usual culprits to talk about.

Did amuse me with the commentators (PGA tour) thinking a 15/20mph gust was something akin to where I play where it frequently howls most days of the year. Served up better than normal watching vs them playing darts into the greens.
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23/11/2020 22:15:30 0 0
bbc
Where ?
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23/11/2020 14:26:07 8 6
bbc
Breaking news, golf produces unexpected winners.

I never knew that, whatever next the BBC televising live golf.
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Ian
23/11/2020 22:39:15 0 1
bbc
Shock, horror Woods and McIlroy not involved!
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no
23/11/2020 17:37:22 12 2
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to call these freakish results is absolutely disgusting by carter,especially as there were no reports by the bbc on the south african tourney while it was going on,i wonder if he even bothered to watch it.
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djn
23/11/2020 22:43:32 1 2
bbc
Lower ranked players winning a tournament is unlikely though, isn’t it?
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23/11/2020 22:51:53 2 0
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Massive amount of pressure if making the cut is what pays your mortgage. Great to see a little of the golf circuits love and $$ being shared with the lower ranked but still talented. I do wonder where the BBC get off making these comments, as there was zero commentary on either of these 2 events on the BBC, all exhausted from Dustin's scintillating win perhaps?
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23/11/2020 23:00:17 1 22
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Streb and Hansen won playing against third rate fields on second rate courses, in an event no one will remember in three weeks time except for them.
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24/11/2020 00:53:06 6 3
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Angryjack - just in case (in your blind anger) you missed my comment on your other post, I will repeat it here:
"Angryjack - do you have a fixation with the number three? Time you had your milk and toddled off to bed. Sleep well, and do try and chill out, or at least attend an anger management course."
Assuming you will not read this until Tuesday morning, hope you slept well. Feeling better?
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24/11/2020 18:26:56 1 0
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Why spend time posting a pathetic comment on a sport you obviously know so little about?
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23/11/2020 23:04:27 4 12
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Can anyone name the last three winners on the European Tour,,,,,,NO,,,,,,,
well neither can I and frankly who cares.!
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24/11/2020 00:29:11 9 5
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Angryjack - do you have a fixation with the number three? Time you had your milk and toddled off to bed. Sleep well, and do try and chill out, or at least attend an anger management course.
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Neo
24/11/2020 10:26:03 0 0
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2 Englishmen and a Scot....that may jog your memory!
Yes!
2 Englishmen and a Scotsman!
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24/11/2020 00:15:08 6 0
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In my humble opinion there was a quality field at the RSM considering UK greats Fleetwood, Hatton, and Rose played.
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23/11/2020 23:04:27 4 12
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Can anyone name the last three winners on the European Tour,,,,,,NO,,,,,,,
well neither can I and frankly who cares.!
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24/11/2020 00:29:11 9 5
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Angryjack - do you have a fixation with the number three? Time you had your milk and toddled off to bed. Sleep well, and do try and chill out, or at least attend an anger management course.
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23/11/2020 23:00:17 1 22
bbc
Streb and Hansen won playing against third rate fields on second rate courses, in an event no one will remember in three weeks time except for them.
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24/11/2020 00:53:06 6 3
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Angryjack - just in case (in your blind anger) you missed my comment on your other post, I will repeat it here:
"Angryjack - do you have a fixation with the number three? Time you had your milk and toddled off to bed. Sleep well, and do try and chill out, or at least attend an anger management course."
Assuming you will not read this until Tuesday morning, hope you slept well. Feeling better?
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23/11/2020 21:08:30 6 1
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I would like to thank Robert as i placed £5 win on him on Saturday morning at odds of 100/1
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24/11/2020 08:49:45 3 0
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Nice try but he was widely around 10/1 on Saturday morning. Think you added a zero for dramatic effect!!!
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24/11/2020 10:44:54 1 0
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He never made the bet.
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24/11/2020 09:18:50 2 1
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A low ranked player on a good day and with luck on his side can win tournaments. By luck I mean the blow of the wind and land of the ball, avoiding divots, etc. Anxiety also plays a big part in golf. Briny Baird was incapable of seeing through victories and hence was the richest player without a victory. Kisner now has a 0/5 record in playoffs - suggesting he doesn't excel in that situation.
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24/11/2020 09:56:20 7 2
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A guy who has won before, managed to win again, so the only story here is that on any given week anyone in the field can beat the rest, not just one player. All this talk of ‘freakish result’ is an insult and shows Carter’s lack of knowledge. In pocketing his $1.188m Robert Streb became the 198th golfer to pass $10million in career earnings. I’m sure most of would settle for being that freakish..
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24/11/2020 11:01:14 7 0
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I couldn’t agree more! There was nothing freakish about this win! These guys are good as ‘they’ say!

But this win doesn’t suit the agenda of the golfing media at the moment! (Hitting it far is the only way to win nowadays blah blah)
Hitting it far has always been an advantage throughout golfing history but it’s never been the only way to win!
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24/11/2020 10:15:33 1 0
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Anyone can win but those two aren’t a complete surprise Hansen tipped up on sporting life and Streb isn’t a mug. Players will always come back to form at some point.
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23/11/2020 23:04:27 4 12
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Can anyone name the last three winners on the European Tour,,,,,,NO,,,,,,,
well neither can I and frankly who cares.!
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Neo
24/11/2020 10:26:03 0 0
bbc
2 Englishmen and a Scot....that may jog your memory!
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24/11/2020 08:49:45 3 0
bbc
Nice try but he was widely around 10/1 on Saturday morning. Think you added a zero for dramatic effect!!!
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24/11/2020 10:44:54 1 0
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He never made the bet.
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24/11/2020 10:58:54 0 0
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Hansen's swing looks solid and technically pretty stable and I feel will give bring more success. Streb's swing is nowhere near as solid but a wins a win and a nice earner for him.
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24/11/2020 09:56:20 7 2
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A guy who has won before, managed to win again, so the only story here is that on any given week anyone in the field can beat the rest, not just one player. All this talk of ‘freakish result’ is an insult and shows Carter’s lack of knowledge. In pocketing his $1.188m Robert Streb became the 198th golfer to pass $10million in career earnings. I’m sure most of would settle for being that freakish..
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24/11/2020 11:01:14 7 0
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I couldn’t agree more! There was nothing freakish about this win! These guys are good as ‘they’ say!

But this win doesn’t suit the agenda of the golfing media at the moment! (Hitting it far is the only way to win nowadays blah blah)
Hitting it far has always been an advantage throughout golfing history but it’s never been the only way to win!
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24/11/2020 11:47:34 2 15
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Monty has about 40 European tour wins, and zero PGA tour wins. A player with no bottle outside the Ryder cup.

The real elite golf is played on the PGA.
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24/11/2020 12:22:56 3 2
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Plenty of freakish results in the Open Championship which shows what a lottery it can be, Curtis, Hamilton, Laurie, Clarke, Molinari and Lowry, to name a few. All of them, one hit wonders
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Ian
24/11/2020 12:27:05 3 3
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Not freakish at all.

What it demonstrates is that links golf with British, changeable weather is a great leveller.
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24/11/2020 13:08:05 2 0
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Clarke, Lowry and Molinari are far from one hit wonders. What an idiotic statement.
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24/11/2020 13:52:48 0 0
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Plenty of one hit wonders have won other majors. Michael Campbell 2005 Masters (beat Tiger) Lucas Glover 2009 US open, Danny Willett 2016 Masters etc. The PGA Championship often seems to produce a random winner. And theres the legendary two hit wonder Andy North, who won two US opens and did jack all for the rest of hsi career.

The idea that the Open is the only lottery in majors is a myth.
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24/11/2020 14:09:10 0 0
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many sports have a history of a success but no follow up. All sports now have a n elite which is a far larger group and the likes of Federer ; Woods and Phil Taylor are unlikely to be repeated in terms of sport domination. Throw in a slice of lady luck too, esp outside sports.
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24/11/2020 18:56:19 2 1
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I take by Laurie you mean Paul Lawrie, MBE, OBE, 1999 Open Champion, multiple winner on the European Tour, Ryder Cup hero at Medinah and reigning Scottish Senior Open Champion. Hardly a one hit wonder.
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24/11/2020 12:22:56 3 2
bbc
Plenty of freakish results in the Open Championship which shows what a lottery it can be, Curtis, Hamilton, Laurie, Clarke, Molinari and Lowry, to name a few. All of them, one hit wonders
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Ian
24/11/2020 12:27:05 3 3
bbc
Not freakish at all.

What it demonstrates is that links golf with British, changeable weather is a great leveller.
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24/11/2020 12:22:56 3 2
bbc
Plenty of freakish results in the Open Championship which shows what a lottery it can be, Curtis, Hamilton, Laurie, Clarke, Molinari and Lowry, to name a few. All of them, one hit wonders
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24/11/2020 13:08:05 2 0
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Clarke, Lowry and Molinari are far from one hit wonders. What an idiotic statement.
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23/11/2020 20:37:53 0 7
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sport without crowds has been more beneficial for the less known, the best thrive under the spotlight and all I’m seeing now is those that ain’t good enough are producing under limited pressure, the sooner we can go and watch the better
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24/11/2020 13:31:15 0 0
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Wouldnt have made much difference in this tournament.
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24/11/2020 13:44:05 4 1
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Streb won this in 2014, the year MclLroy last won a Major.

That play off hole was playing 461 yards on Sunday and Streb stiffed his wedge to a few inches after a nice drive. Imagine hitting drive and wedge to a hole that is 461 yards.

These guys play so great they are all freaks, in my eyes.
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24/11/2020 14:01:13 1 2
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And yet most of the time you won't hear anything about Streb.

Playing great for one week doesn't make him a freak. A freak is someone like prime Tiger who consistently dominates.
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24/11/2020 12:22:56 3 2
bbc
Plenty of freakish results in the Open Championship which shows what a lottery it can be, Curtis, Hamilton, Laurie, Clarke, Molinari and Lowry, to name a few. All of them, one hit wonders
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24/11/2020 13:52:48 0 0
bbc
Plenty of one hit wonders have won other majors. Michael Campbell 2005 Masters (beat Tiger) Lucas Glover 2009 US open, Danny Willett 2016 Masters etc. The PGA Championship often seems to produce a random winner. And theres the legendary two hit wonder Andy North, who won two US opens and did jack all for the rest of hsi career.

The idea that the Open is the only lottery in majors is a myth.
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24/11/2020 13:44:05 4 1
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Streb won this in 2014, the year MclLroy last won a Major.

That play off hole was playing 461 yards on Sunday and Streb stiffed his wedge to a few inches after a nice drive. Imagine hitting drive and wedge to a hole that is 461 yards.

These guys play so great they are all freaks, in my eyes.
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24/11/2020 14:01:13 1 2
bbc
And yet most of the time you won't hear anything about Streb.

Playing great for one week doesn't make him a freak. A freak is someone like prime Tiger who consistently dominates.
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24/11/2020 14:28:41 1 0
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How do you play a hole that is 461 yards?

I am guessing there is still over 300 yards left when you are sizing up your 4th shot?

Streb, under pressure, had about 8 inches for birdie.

These players are all freaks.
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24/11/2020 12:22:56 3 2
bbc
Plenty of freakish results in the Open Championship which shows what a lottery it can be, Curtis, Hamilton, Laurie, Clarke, Molinari and Lowry, to name a few. All of them, one hit wonders
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24/11/2020 14:09:10 0 0
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many sports have a history of a success but no follow up. All sports now have a n elite which is a far larger group and the likes of Federer ; Woods and Phil Taylor are unlikely to be repeated in terms of sport domination. Throw in a slice of lady luck too, esp outside sports.
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24/11/2020 14:01:13 1 2
bbc
And yet most of the time you won't hear anything about Streb.

Playing great for one week doesn't make him a freak. A freak is someone like prime Tiger who consistently dominates.
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24/11/2020 14:28:41 1 0
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How do you play a hole that is 461 yards?

I am guessing there is still over 300 yards left when you are sizing up your 4th shot?

Streb, under pressure, had about 8 inches for birdie.

These players are all freaks.
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MHH
24/11/2020 15:15:07 1 0
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Simple question for you Iain, how often does the favourite win a golf tournament anywhere? Any player that makes it onto the main Tours has the ability to win. Some are just better at it than others.
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24/11/2020 15:32:43 2 0
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I watched of the Joburg Open and Hansen has a pretty solid game. Bearing in mind he has won a couple of times on the Challenge Tour I wouldn't call his win freakish in any way or form and I'd expect him to kick on now he has won on the main tour.
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23/11/2020 23:04:27 4 12
bbc
Can anyone name the last three winners on the European Tour,,,,,,NO,,,,,,,
well neither can I and frankly who cares.!
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Neo
bbc
Yes!
2 Englishmen and a Scotsman!
Removed
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23/11/2020 23:00:17 1 22
bbc
Streb and Hansen won playing against third rate fields on second rate courses, in an event no one will remember in three weeks time except for them.
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24/11/2020 18:26:56 1 0
bbc
Why spend time posting a pathetic comment on a sport you obviously know so little about?
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24/11/2020 18:50:25 0 0
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@Champ20ns: Sorry, how did Michael Campbell “beat” Tiger Woods in winning the ‘05 Masters? Tiger won it!
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24/11/2020 12:22:56 3 2
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Plenty of freakish results in the Open Championship which shows what a lottery it can be, Curtis, Hamilton, Laurie, Clarke, Molinari and Lowry, to name a few. All of them, one hit wonders
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24/11/2020 18:56:19 2 1
bbc
I take by Laurie you mean Paul Lawrie, MBE, OBE, 1999 Open Champion, multiple winner on the European Tour, Ryder Cup hero at Medinah and reigning Scottish Senior Open Champion. Hardly a one hit wonder.
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24/11/2020 20:04:44 2 0
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Meadow finishes 3rd in LPGA tour event.

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Interestingly the article headline tells us she is Northern Irish.
Then we are told in paragraph 1 she is from Northern Ireland.
Paragraph 3 begins with the fact she is from Northern Ireland.
In paragraph 5 it states she is still Northern Irish and in paragraph 6 she is from Jordanstown in Northern Ireland.