Covid: How will I get a coronavirus vaccine?
24/11/2020 | news | health | 251
Several vaccines are showing promise and one is already being reviewed by the UK regulator.
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BFM
24/11/2020 09:53:01 2 13
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We need to wake up to the reality of the Astra Z vaccine. There is no 70% effective dose. The normal dose which they have tested most is 60%. Clearly they are not confident about the dose at 90% or e they would have just said we'll use that dose and its 90%. So there is going to be a tussle about which vaccines people want to have. The Astra Z vaccine does seem to prevent hospitalisations well.
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24/11/2020 09:59:10 5 10
bbc
No if you read the Oxford press release apparently they made a bollix of the dosage and only gave half doses, after discovering this they increased it with other folk to the standard dose. The wrong low dose gave 70%, the correct dose 62%.
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24/11/2020 16:14:02 2 0
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That last sentence is really important. If Vaccine A stops 70% getting the disease but the other 30% only have a mild case, IMO that would be better than Vaccine B that stops 90% but some of the other 10% risk severe illness. If we all got the disease every couple of years but could be confident it was just like a bad cold, I would take that option right now.
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24/11/2020 09:58:32 3 16
bbc
For a significant majority there is no need for you to have a vaccine. This virus as now passed through the bulk of the population. Over 99% will recover from it. It would therefore be best for those who are most at risk to have it first For most of us normal service can and should be resumed now. It is not the mass killer first thought and over reacted too. Hancock should tell the truth.
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24/11/2020 10:05:17 14 0
bbc
"This virus as now passed through the bulk of the population."

Have any empirical evidence for this claim?
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24/11/2020 10:03:48 0 6
bbc
Let’s say it’s approved & safe but Who is liable if the rushed vaccine causes chronic illness or severe reaction ?,What about the volunteers that became seriously sick? Remember the doctor that died by Uk vax it was reported on bbc news 21/10/2020 one became paralysed. Can the doctors give it in writing that vaccine won’t cause serious complications ? Manufacturers are protected against Damages!
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24/11/2020 10:06:01 0 5
bbc
I used vitamin c and black seed to fight off infection after being tested positive I couldn’t breath I have asthma and I tried ginger tea but it would come back next day I felt so fatigued it was awful but took a week to heal because I didn’t use anything until 4 days after feeling unwell
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24/11/2020 10:06:53 0 4
bbc
Ginger tea doesn’t do much for people who have it and have asthma Cos it didn’t do much for me but black seed oil cleared up the remaining part im so thankful to god
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BFM
24/11/2020 09:53:01 2 13
bbc
We need to wake up to the reality of the Astra Z vaccine. There is no 70% effective dose. The normal dose which they have tested most is 60%. Clearly they are not confident about the dose at 90% or e they would have just said we'll use that dose and its 90%. So there is going to be a tussle about which vaccines people want to have. The Astra Z vaccine does seem to prevent hospitalisations well.
3
24/11/2020 09:59:10 5 10
bbc
No if you read the Oxford press release apparently they made a bollix of the dosage and only gave half doses, after discovering this they increased it with other folk to the standard dose. The wrong low dose gave 70%, the correct dose 62%.
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24/11/2020 10:04:43 0 11
bbc
I healed my self quite fast with vitamin c 1000 after being tested even msn news admit it helps now and some doctors
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24/11/2020 10:07:37 0 11
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My brother was tested he had a mild one and is generally healthy but felt fatigued and coughing he took vitamin c 1000 for a few days and it went
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BFM
24/11/2020 12:02:58 3 0
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Not so. The 1/2 + Full dose gave 90%. The "correct" dose 60%. No dose gave 70%. Thanks for telling me about the press release. https://covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk/breakthrough-global-covid-19-vaccine
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24/11/2020 10:02:52 2 14
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These mRNA vaccines are so novel they have never been given regulatory approval previously, hence the regulator has no body of data on their long term unintended effects on the immune system and human health. The trials as BMJ points out are not designed to prove they work, nor do they prove they are safe. I shall not be rushing out to get it or the others until I see evidence.
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24/11/2020 10:10:54 2 13
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People in New York hospitals were treated with vitamin c it was on Fox and cbs news it did reduce by over 60 percent but they banned it in Canada because there’s no money to be made from it
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24/11/2020 14:04:06 0 0
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So you're expecting other people to test it for you?
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24/11/2020 10:05:12 3 16
bbc
As Alexander Pope remarked "Fools rush in, where Angels fear to tread". I shall wait and see as there has never been mRNA vaccines given approval before. A complete unknown, better the devil you know than the devil you don't. They could end up making a bad situation worse.
Well I used liquid vitamin c mega dose it was proven and on Fox News it does reduce symptoms by 64 percent check on american New York news they use it in New York hospital and proven to help Removed
113
24/11/2020 13:49:15 0 0
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Dr of what ?
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24/11/2020 09:58:32 3 16
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For a significant majority there is no need for you to have a vaccine. This virus as now passed through the bulk of the population. Over 99% will recover from it. It would therefore be best for those who are most at risk to have it first For most of us normal service can and should be resumed now. It is not the mass killer first thought and over reacted too. Hancock should tell the truth.
6
24/11/2020 10:05:17 14 0
bbc
"This virus as now passed through the bulk of the population."

Have any empirical evidence for this claim?
19
24/11/2020 10:12:17 1 5
bbc
There is plenty of evidence if you take the time to research. For example, they have used the new test in Liverpool which is believed to be far more accurate. They tested 129k and could only find 2000 positives, that isn't people who are ill just positives. It was believed this was because the virus as already passed through the bulk of the population.
7
24/11/2020 10:01:59 5 14
bbc
Let’s say it’s approved and safe but Who is liable if the rushed vaccine causes chronic illness or severe reaction ?,What about the volunteers that became either seriously sick? Remember the doctor that died it was reported on bbc news 21/10/2020 one became paralysed. Can the doctors give it in writing that vaccine won’t cause serious complications ? Manufacturers are protected against Damages!
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24/11/2020 10:09:08 5 3
bbc
From what I understand there will be no liability on behalf of the manufacturer should you grow an extra leg or any other side efect
112
24/11/2020 13:48:42 1 2
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Best you keep safe and don't take it.
207
24/11/2020 20:50:26 0 0
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If you’re more worried about the remote possibility of getting a serious side effect than catching covid then you are free to decline the offer to be vaccinated. Just stop trying to influence people to not get vaccinated with your unfounded notions
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24/11/2020 10:06:34 3 7
bbc
The Janssen vaccine uses just inactivated spike protein, which may not be as effective but may be less risky than Pfizer's and Moderna's.
Well I used vitamin c it was more effective and black seed oil I was tested so was my brother we both used stuff at home it did help but took 3/4 days but I had asthma so took one week plus I started taking it late Removed
107
24/11/2020 13:42:09 0 0
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Some context may elevate this forum to being actually useful - in summary, what are the risks of these vaccine protocols then? Are the risks acceptably low given the alternative? Should we trust over /200 years/ of human vaccine development?
181
24/11/2020 18:14:57 1 0
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There seem to be lots of “ may” “might” and “possibly “ in your various comments. Why don’t you just admit that, despite all your doom and gloom, you don’t actually know any of the consequences of having this vaccine? Simply describing yourself as a Dr doesn’t automatically make you right.
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24/11/2020 10:03:18 5 18
bbc
I won't be getting vaccinated, but if I were then I would absolutely insist on getting the Oxford vaccine. While it's still been rushed through at least it uses a well established method.

Of course, EVERY parent I've spoken to has been very adamant that there's no way in hell they are having their kids vaccinated. In fact I'll be very surprised if even a third of people choose vaccination.
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24/11/2020 10:09:57 3 13
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Partly because there is simply no need for it.
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24/11/2020 10:13:53 2 0
bbc
What if you have serious complications the vaccine company aren’t liable if u claim for damages
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24/11/2020 11:03:05 0 0
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Viral-vector vaccines are only a little older than mRNA vaccines, and none are in use anywhere. If you're waiting for "well established" vaccine technology you'll want something protein-based or one of the "whole virus" vaccines, and the latter will be a lot later.
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24/11/2020 09:58:32 3 16
bbc
For a significant majority there is no need for you to have a vaccine. This virus as now passed through the bulk of the population. Over 99% will recover from it. It would therefore be best for those who are most at risk to have it first For most of us normal service can and should be resumed now. It is not the mass killer first thought and over reacted too. Hancock should tell the truth.
10
24/11/2020 10:03:48 0 6
bbc
Let’s say it’s approved & safe but Who is liable if the rushed vaccine causes chronic illness or severe reaction ?,What about the volunteers that became seriously sick? Remember the doctor that died by Uk vax it was reported on bbc news 21/10/2020 one became paralysed. Can the doctors give it in writing that vaccine won’t cause serious complications ? Manufacturers are protected against Damages!
7
24/11/2020 10:01:59 5 14
bbc
Let’s say it’s approved and safe but Who is liable if the rushed vaccine causes chronic illness or severe reaction ?,What about the volunteers that became either seriously sick? Remember the doctor that died it was reported on bbc news 21/10/2020 one became paralysed. Can the doctors give it in writing that vaccine won’t cause serious complications ? Manufacturers are protected against Damages!
11
24/11/2020 10:09:08 5 3
bbc
From what I understand there will be no liability on behalf of the manufacturer should you grow an extra leg or any other side efect
143
24/11/2020 15:53:46 0 0
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But what about if I turn into an aggresive zombie with an aversion to daylight?
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24/11/2020 10:09:43 3 16
bbc
They need to assess folk whether than have been pre-exposed/infected with Sars-cov-2, some may have over stimulated immunity leading to the "cytokine storm". The Oxford "trial" excluded folk with severe co morbidities, the very folk who are more likely to get Cov-19. Hence the data will not reflect conditions in the field.
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24/11/2020 10:13:22 1 10
bbc
The bbc news encouraging people to take vitamin d3 and be healthy but You can’t take high doses of vitamind3 without a combo of magnesium and k2 as this can cause imbalance of calcium and other minerals , some news websites say to take vitamind3,yet fail to mention the importance of k2 and magnesium Vaccine companies are not liable if you are injured by vaccine after it’s proven safe
9
24/11/2020 10:03:18 5 18
bbc
I won't be getting vaccinated, but if I were then I would absolutely insist on getting the Oxford vaccine. While it's still been rushed through at least it uses a well established method.

Of course, EVERY parent I've spoken to has been very adamant that there's no way in hell they are having their kids vaccinated. In fact I'll be very surprised if even a third of people choose vaccination.
13
24/11/2020 10:09:57 3 13
bbc
Partly because there is simply no need for it.
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24/11/2020 10:22:29 0 3
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The bbc news encouraging people to take vitamin d3 and be healthy but You can’t take high doses of vitamind3 without a combo of magnesium and k2 as this can cause imbalance of calcium and other minerals , some news websites say to take vitamind3,yet fail to mention the importance of k2 and magnesium Vaccine companies are not liable if you are injured by vaccine after it’s proven safe
3
24/11/2020 09:59:10 5 10
bbc
No if you read the Oxford press release apparently they made a bollix of the dosage and only gave half doses, after discovering this they increased it with other folk to the standard dose. The wrong low dose gave 70%, the correct dose 62%.
14
24/11/2020 10:04:43 0 11
bbc
I healed my self quite fast with vitamin c 1000 after being tested even msn news admit it helps now and some doctors
2
24/11/2020 09:58:32 3 16
bbc
For a significant majority there is no need for you to have a vaccine. This virus as now passed through the bulk of the population. Over 99% will recover from it. It would therefore be best for those who are most at risk to have it first For most of us normal service can and should be resumed now. It is not the mass killer first thought and over reacted too. Hancock should tell the truth.
15
24/11/2020 10:06:01 0 5
bbc
I used vitamin c and black seed to fight off infection after being tested positive I couldn’t breath I have asthma and I tried ginger tea but it would come back next day I felt so fatigued it was awful but took a week to heal because I didn’t use anything until 4 days after feeling unwell
16
24/11/2020 10:11:30 8 11
bbc
The Vaccine damage payments Act 1979 does not include cov-19. The government just changed the Human Medicines Regulation 2012, despite a petition opposing it.
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24/11/2020 10:12:25 1 14
bbc
The bbc news encouraged us to take vitamin d3 but You can’t take high doses of vitamind3 without a combo of magnesium and k2 as this can cause imbalance of calcium and other minerals , some news websites say to take vitamind3,yet fail to mention the importance of k2 and magnesium
114
24/11/2020 13:54:02 1 0
bbc
What's the link between those pieces of legislation?

The VDPA 79 is an early piece of disability legislation; granting rights to individuals based on medical, health or other physical condition.

The Human Medicines Regs 2012 are a regime for the authorisation of medicinal products for human use.
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24/11/2020 09:58:32 3 16
bbc
For a significant majority there is no need for you to have a vaccine. This virus as now passed through the bulk of the population. Over 99% will recover from it. It would therefore be best for those who are most at risk to have it first For most of us normal service can and should be resumed now. It is not the mass killer first thought and over reacted too. Hancock should tell the truth.
17
24/11/2020 10:06:53 0 4
bbc
Ginger tea doesn’t do much for people who have it and have asthma Cos it didn’t do much for me but black seed oil cleared up the remaining part im so thankful to god
3
24/11/2020 09:59:10 5 10
bbc
No if you read the Oxford press release apparently they made a bollix of the dosage and only gave half doses, after discovering this they increased it with other folk to the standard dose. The wrong low dose gave 70%, the correct dose 62%.
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24/11/2020 10:07:37 0 11
bbc
My brother was tested he had a mild one and is generally healthy but felt fatigued and coughing he took vitamin c 1000 for a few days and it went
6
24/11/2020 10:05:17 14 0
bbc
"This virus as now passed through the bulk of the population."

Have any empirical evidence for this claim?
19
24/11/2020 10:12:17 1 5
bbc
There is plenty of evidence if you take the time to research. For example, they have used the new test in Liverpool which is believed to be far more accurate. They tested 129k and could only find 2000 positives, that isn't people who are ill just positives. It was believed this was because the virus as already passed through the bulk of the population.
40
24/11/2020 10:27:05 2 2
bbc
Also, I,m sure I read Italy can confirm cases from Sept 2019 from blood samples. No doubt, that wasnt the 1st batch, so you can assume Covid was rife when they said it wasnt.
December 2019 our doctors and pubs were full of people coughing up with flu like symptoms, I wasnt right for at least a month and many I know were similar with what we know now as Covid symptoms.
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24/11/2020 10:43:25 4 0
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So that's a no then?
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24/11/2020 10:06:34 3 7
bbc
The Janssen vaccine uses just inactivated spike protein, which may not be as effective but may be less risky than Pfizer's and Moderna's.
Well I used vitamin c it was more effective and black seed oil I was tested so was my brother we both used stuff at home it did help but took 3/4 days but I had asthma so took one week plus I started taking it late Removed
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24/11/2020 10:05:12 3 16
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As Alexander Pope remarked "Fools rush in, where Angels fear to tread". I shall wait and see as there has never been mRNA vaccines given approval before. A complete unknown, better the devil you know than the devil you don't. They could end up making a bad situation worse.
Well I used liquid vitamin c mega dose it was proven and on Fox News it does reduce symptoms by 64 percent check on american New York news they use it in New York hospital and proven to help Removed
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24/11/2020 10:02:52 2 14
bbc
These mRNA vaccines are so novel they have never been given regulatory approval previously, hence the regulator has no body of data on their long term unintended effects on the immune system and human health. The trials as BMJ points out are not designed to prove they work, nor do they prove they are safe. I shall not be rushing out to get it or the others until I see evidence.
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24/11/2020 10:10:54 2 13
bbc
People in New York hospitals were treated with vitamin c it was on Fox and cbs news it did reduce by over 60 percent but they banned it in Canada because there’s no money to be made from it
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24/11/2020 10:14:07 4 16
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Everything associated with the pandemic in UK has gone AOT from day 1, testing, track and trace, now vaccines which may or may not be as effective as these trial studies imply. It's pot luck and a waiting game. They need 7-10 years data to ensure safety and efficacy minimum, as they are novel vaccines.
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24/11/2020 13:47:51 5 0
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You are a genius everything these massive companies do is not right according to you. Maybe you should create the vaccine yourself and we could have a billion totally safe doses the day before yesterday.
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24/11/2020 14:05:34 1 0
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And who do you expect it to be tested on for 7-10 years?
Bbc news states to take vitamin d3 to boost health but You can’t take high doses of vitamind3 without a combo of magnesium and k2 as this can cause imbalance of calcium and other minerals , some news websites say to take vitamind3,yet fail to mention the importance of k2 and magnesium Removed
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24/11/2020 10:11:30 8 11
bbc
The Vaccine damage payments Act 1979 does not include cov-19. The government just changed the Human Medicines Regulation 2012, despite a petition opposing it.
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24/11/2020 10:12:25 1 14
bbc
The bbc news encouraged us to take vitamin d3 but You can’t take high doses of vitamind3 without a combo of magnesium and k2 as this can cause imbalance of calcium and other minerals , some news websites say to take vitamind3,yet fail to mention the importance of k2 and magnesium
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mfc
24/11/2020 16:18:50 1 0
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Why would anyone take high doses of D3? 10µg/day is plenty.
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24/11/2020 10:09:43 3 16
bbc
They need to assess folk whether than have been pre-exposed/infected with Sars-cov-2, some may have over stimulated immunity leading to the "cytokine storm". The Oxford "trial" excluded folk with severe co morbidities, the very folk who are more likely to get Cov-19. Hence the data will not reflect conditions in the field.
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24/11/2020 10:13:22 1 10
bbc
The bbc news encouraging people to take vitamin d3 and be healthy but You can’t take high doses of vitamind3 without a combo of magnesium and k2 as this can cause imbalance of calcium and other minerals , some news websites say to take vitamind3,yet fail to mention the importance of k2 and magnesium Vaccine companies are not liable if you are injured by vaccine after it’s proven safe
27
24/11/2020 10:15:09 4 19
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I,m just worried if its safe or not. They keep saying it is, but how do they know not being anywhere near the TWO YEARS it usually takes to get a vaccine.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
30
24/11/2020 10:18:19 15 0
bbc
Most of the time in vaccine development is spent on applying for funding and gathering volunteers. That has not been a problem this time round. Clinical trials of vaccines have also happened very quickly because of how prevalent the virus is in society at the moment.
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24/11/2020 10:20:11 0 7
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Really they need at least 7-10 years to be 100% sure of safety, efficacy.
Imagine 2 headed babies or one eyed children if pregnant women took risky vaccine after being told it’s safe you won’t be able to sue them Cos u never got it in writing to guarantee it’s safe and a doctor signing that you can sue them if u get unwell or children get birth defects Removed
Lots of medications and vaccines have been told it’s safe years ago and look how. Many children were born with short arms or other birth defects Removed
Do you want to inject your self with lab made cells created from aborted babies Removed
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24/11/2020 10:25:37 1 7
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Well I used liquid vitamin c mega dose it was proven and on Fox News it does reduce symptoms by 64 percent check on american New York news they use it in New York hospital and proven to help Ginger root tea didn’t really help me much but high quality liquid vitamin c 1000 Did it for me after tested pos
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24/11/2020 11:41:33 0 0
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"producing normal children" - fair point Oretep. I'm 71 and will certainly have the vaccine when it's available, but you're right, we don't (can't) know about possible long-term effects yet. I think the long-term risk is very small, but non-zero. And I'm old enough to remember Thalidomide.
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24/11/2020 10:03:18 5 18
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I won't be getting vaccinated, but if I were then I would absolutely insist on getting the Oxford vaccine. While it's still been rushed through at least it uses a well established method.

Of course, EVERY parent I've spoken to has been very adamant that there's no way in hell they are having their kids vaccinated. In fact I'll be very surprised if even a third of people choose vaccination.
28
24/11/2020 10:13:53 2 0
bbc
What if you have serious complications the vaccine company aren’t liable if u claim for damages
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24/11/2020 10:16:21 3 16
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The Astra Zeneca vaccine uses an Adenovirus extracted from Chimp's poo as the vector for the spike protein! Just fancy that.
They also used shark cells and cells from aborted babies and GMOS Removed
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24/11/2020 10:51:00 4 1
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You really do like the sound of your own voice.
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24/11/2020 13:46:08 2 0
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Truffles are the fruiting body of a fungus; the spores of which are most typically through excretion by animals that eat the funghi. i.e Truffles are made out of pig s**t.

Well, truffles are a delicacy and sell for a pretty penny at a number of highly reputable retailers.
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24/11/2020 15:54:55 1 0
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You can buy very expensive coffee that has been passed through a cat. What's your point?
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24/11/2020 10:15:09 4 19
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I,m just worried if its safe or not. They keep saying it is, but how do they know not being anywhere near the TWO YEARS it usually takes to get a vaccine.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
30
24/11/2020 10:18:19 15 0
bbc
Most of the time in vaccine development is spent on applying for funding and gathering volunteers. That has not been a problem this time round. Clinical trials of vaccines have also happened very quickly because of how prevalent the virus is in society at the moment.
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24/11/2020 10:51:38 1 0
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Interesting you say that about funding Matt, and that adds to where I got my 2 yr info. Gates - where I wouldnt have thought funding being a problem. He insisted 18 mnths would be the earliest with short cuts.
I would very much like his take on these vaccines.
I hope people will report to the media after they get seriously injured by this risky vaccine Removed
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24/11/2020 10:19:02 2 20
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Who cares about vaccinations, last week 3000 people died or Coronavirus thats 0.005% of population!! There are far more health issues that need addressing that cause a lot more deaths than Covid does, we should concentrate on those
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24/11/2020 10:20:15 0 12
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Bbc news encouraging people to take vitamin d3 but You can’t take high doses of vitamind3 without a combo of magnesium and k2 as this can cause imbalance of calcium and other minerals , some news websites say to take vitamind3,yet fail to mention the importance of k2 and magnesium
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24/11/2020 10:28:49 3 2
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Yes the big spike in excess deaths back in April/May was largely down to the government not responding fast enough to a pandemic and lack of PPE etc.
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24/11/2020 19:02:21 0 0
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Sure, yeah, as if you can take someone sick with cancer or whatever other disease into a hospital brimming with Covid infections. You'd be sending them to their deaths or extreme debilitation! Don't you understand that viruses spread? We are not little children who can just cover our eyes and pretend the 'big bad' doesn't exist!
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24/11/2020 10:19:22 8 21
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I have done FOIs to obtain the trial data on both Pfizer's and the Oxford vaccines, I bet they try and fob me off with excuses. What concerns me is the speed and lack of publications in peer review and lack of transparency. The government is reaching for a cure all vaccine in desperation because it made a bollix back in March.
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24/11/2020 10:38:41 6 1
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For a 90yr old man, you sure are switched on
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24/11/2020 13:41:06 1 0
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I don't think there's any lack of transparency in that none of these vaccines' trial data has been fully peer reviewed. Yet. They will be soon and you'd be able to access them on google (even behind a paywall), without needing to make a FOIA request.
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24/11/2020 21:30:55 1 0
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You can't do an FOI request on a private company and their intellectual property, what you can obtain is the publicly available test data needed to satisfy the regulatory authorities for a medicine's acceptance and approval.
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24/11/2020 10:15:09 4 19
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I,m just worried if its safe or not. They keep saying it is, but how do they know not being anywhere near the TWO YEARS it usually takes to get a vaccine.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
34
24/11/2020 10:20:11 0 7
bbc
Really they need at least 7-10 years to be 100% sure of safety, efficacy.
27
24/11/2020 10:15:09 4 19
bbc
I,m just worried if its safe or not. They keep saying it is, but how do they know not being anywhere near the TWO YEARS it usually takes to get a vaccine.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
27
24/11/2020 10:15:09 4 19
bbc
I,m just worried if its safe or not. They keep saying it is, but how do they know not being anywhere near the TWO YEARS it usually takes to get a vaccine.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
Imagine 2 headed babies or one eyed children if pregnant women took risky vaccine after being told it’s safe you won’t be able to sue them Cos u never got it in writing to guarantee it’s safe and a doctor signing that you can sue them if u get unwell or children get birth defects Removed
27
24/11/2020 10:15:09 4 19
bbc
I,m just worried if its safe or not. They keep saying it is, but how do they know not being anywhere near the TWO YEARS it usually takes to get a vaccine.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
Lots of medications and vaccines have been told it’s safe years ago and look how. Many children were born with short arms or other birth defects Removed
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24/11/2020 10:19:02 2 20
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Who cares about vaccinations, last week 3000 people died or Coronavirus thats 0.005% of population!! There are far more health issues that need addressing that cause a lot more deaths than Covid does, we should concentrate on those
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24/11/2020 10:20:15 0 12
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Bbc news encouraging people to take vitamin d3 but You can’t take high doses of vitamind3 without a combo of magnesium and k2 as this can cause imbalance of calcium and other minerals , some news websites say to take vitamind3,yet fail to mention the importance of k2 and magnesium
29
24/11/2020 10:16:21 3 16
bbc
The Astra Zeneca vaccine uses an Adenovirus extracted from Chimp's poo as the vector for the spike protein! Just fancy that.
They also used shark cells and cells from aborted babies and GMOS Removed
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24/11/2020 10:12:17 1 5
bbc
There is plenty of evidence if you take the time to research. For example, they have used the new test in Liverpool which is believed to be far more accurate. They tested 129k and could only find 2000 positives, that isn't people who are ill just positives. It was believed this was because the virus as already passed through the bulk of the population.
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24/11/2020 10:27:05 2 2
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Also, I,m sure I read Italy can confirm cases from Sept 2019 from blood samples. No doubt, that wasnt the 1st batch, so you can assume Covid was rife when they said it wasnt.
December 2019 our doctors and pubs were full of people coughing up with flu like symptoms, I wasnt right for at least a month and many I know were similar with what we know now as Covid symptoms.
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24/11/2020 10:27:24 1 12
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The Oxford "Trial" accidently gave one group the wrong low dose which gave 70% the correct dose gave 62%. I suggest the standard higher dose must have caused inhibition or a feedback effect, by saturating antibody binding sites which somehow affected cell signalling and regulation of Humoral and T- cell immunity.
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24/11/2020 10:31:11 1 26
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Well I used liquid vitamin c mega dose it was proven and on Fox News it does reduce symptoms by 64 percent check on american New York news they use it in New York hospital and proven to help I was tested pos and I’m better now all people I know I told them what to take they are now better too
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24/11/2020 12:07:11 3 0
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Not so. The 1/2 + Full dose gave 90%. The "correct" dose 60%. No dose gave 70%. Thanks for telling me about the press release. https://covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk/breakthrough-global-covid-19-vaccine
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24/11/2020 21:01:43 2 0
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Well “Dr” it seems that once again, as with so many of your posts, you are wrong. The dosing was not accidental. The outcome was unexpected and so far, unexplained, but I am confident that real scientists will find an explanation. It may surprise you to learn that science often progresses by making and explaining unexpected observations. If you were a real scientist you would know that
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24/11/2020 10:15:09 4 19
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I,m just worried if its safe or not. They keep saying it is, but how do they know not being anywhere near the TWO YEARS it usually takes to get a vaccine.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
Do you want to inject your self with lab made cells created from aborted babies Removed
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24/11/2020 10:09:57 3 13
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Partly because there is simply no need for it.
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24/11/2020 10:22:29 0 3
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The bbc news encouraging people to take vitamin d3 and be healthy but You can’t take high doses of vitamind3 without a combo of magnesium and k2 as this can cause imbalance of calcium and other minerals , some news websites say to take vitamind3,yet fail to mention the importance of k2 and magnesium Vaccine companies are not liable if you are injured by vaccine after it’s proven safe
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24/11/2020 10:19:02 2 20
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Who cares about vaccinations, last week 3000 people died or Coronavirus thats 0.005% of population!! There are far more health issues that need addressing that cause a lot more deaths than Covid does, we should concentrate on those
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24/11/2020 10:28:49 3 2
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Yes the big spike in excess deaths back in April/May was largely down to the government not responding fast enough to a pandemic and lack of PPE etc.
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24/11/2020 10:09:08 5 3
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From what I understand there will be no liability on behalf of the manufacturer should you grow an extra leg or any other side efect
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24/11/2020 10:15:09 4 19
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I,m just worried if its safe or not. They keep saying it is, but how do they know not being anywhere near the TWO YEARS it usually takes to get a vaccine.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
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24/11/2020 10:25:37 1 7
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Well I used liquid vitamin c mega dose it was proven and on Fox News it does reduce symptoms by 64 percent check on american New York news they use it in New York hospital and proven to help Ginger root tea didn’t really help me much but high quality liquid vitamin c 1000 Did it for me after tested pos
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24/11/2020 10:31:34 4 4
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I'm seriously ill and disabled, shielding but only only in my forties.
This means I currently won't be eligible for a vaccine until after everyone over the age of 50.
So which is it?
Am I so at risk that I need to stay in my house, see no one and cut my care?
Or am I no more at risk than anyone over 50?
If the former, no vaccine is negligence.
If the latter, shielding is unnecessary torture.
I have had the virus i healed my self after doctors refused to help me I used vitamin c and in mornings used black seed it got rid of it in less than a week Removed
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24/11/2020 10:46:57 13 0
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I'm starting to think you work for Outspan ?
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24/11/2020 11:41:53 0 0
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Won't need any vaccine in your family then.
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24/11/2020 10:27:24 1 12
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The Oxford "Trial" accidently gave one group the wrong low dose which gave 70% the correct dose gave 62%. I suggest the standard higher dose must have caused inhibition or a feedback effect, by saturating antibody binding sites which somehow affected cell signalling and regulation of Humoral and T- cell immunity.
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24/11/2020 10:31:11 1 26
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Well I used liquid vitamin c mega dose it was proven and on Fox News it does reduce symptoms by 64 percent check on american New York news they use it in New York hospital and proven to help I was tested pos and I’m better now all people I know I told them what to take they are now better too
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24/11/2020 11:36:24 5 0
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If you believe Fox News you'll believe anything.
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24/11/2020 11:44:35 4 0
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"on Fox news" - nuff said!
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24/11/2020 12:03:05 5 0
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Did you also drink bleach? Donald Trump says that work! Maybe you just got better over the time you were taking the vitamin C supplement as most people do without any medical intervention or the taking of vitamin supplements.
You are what we say in Ireland, Talkin Bollocks pal. Removed
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24/11/2020 13:37:40 0 0
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You might not have understood the difference between (i) x% reduction in symptons in the event of infection; and (ii) y% efficacy at reducing infection.

Whatever the values of x and y, a more sensible approach would be Vit C AND vaccination.
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24/11/2020 13:45:02 2 0
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Fox and news do not go together! I suppose you beleive them when they say Trump won the election.Really?
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24/11/2020 21:04:59 2 0
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Ah! Fox News - that reliable source of science - so it must be true. Couldn’t possibly be that you fell into the category if the 90% + of people who have a mild disease and recover fully with little or no medical intervention.
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24/11/2020 10:19:22 8 21
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I have done FOIs to obtain the trial data on both Pfizer's and the Oxford vaccines, I bet they try and fob me off with excuses. What concerns me is the speed and lack of publications in peer review and lack of transparency. The government is reaching for a cure all vaccine in desperation because it made a bollix back in March.
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24/11/2020 10:38:41 6 1
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For a 90yr old man, you sure are switched on
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24/11/2020 11:46:48 5 0
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But he doesn't seem to understand FOI doesn't give unlimited access to information.
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24/11/2020 12:07:19 0 3
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A 90 year old Irishman, born in Dublin under a lucky star! I won't be having a vaccine at all. Guinness XXX (7.5%) three times after meals.
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24/11/2020 10:12:17 1 5
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There is plenty of evidence if you take the time to research. For example, they have used the new test in Liverpool which is believed to be far more accurate. They tested 129k and could only find 2000 positives, that isn't people who are ill just positives. It was believed this was because the virus as already passed through the bulk of the population.
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24/11/2020 10:43:25 4 0
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So that's a no then?
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24/11/2020 10:50:13 2 2
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I have had the virus i healed my self after doctors refused to help me I used vitamin c and in mornings used black seed it got rid of it in less than a week Removed
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24/11/2020 10:46:57 13 0
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I'm starting to think you work for Outspan ?
Yup, he has been talking bollocks all morning. Removed
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24/11/2020 10:49:40 3 16
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Good to hear that vaccination will not be mandatory. After all, we're not in a totalitarian state. Yet.
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24/11/2020 11:03:11 2 14
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You don't think so? The lockdown restrictions -particularly in Wales and Scotland have all the hallmarks of being enforced by what we would have called, just 12 months ago, a Totalitarian State.
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24/11/2020 10:43:25 4 0
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So that's a no then?
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24/11/2020 10:50:13 2 2
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24/11/2020 13:28:47 2 0
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The article you posted contained absolutely no evidence whatsoever to prove your claim that the majority of the population have had Covid.

I thought you said there was "plenty of evidence"? Where is it?
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24/11/2020 10:16:21 3 16
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The Astra Zeneca vaccine uses an Adenovirus extracted from Chimp's poo as the vector for the spike protein! Just fancy that.
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24/11/2020 10:51:00 4 1
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You really do like the sound of your own voice.
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24/11/2020 10:18:19 15 0
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Most of the time in vaccine development is spent on applying for funding and gathering volunteers. That has not been a problem this time round. Clinical trials of vaccines have also happened very quickly because of how prevalent the virus is in society at the moment.
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24/11/2020 10:51:38 1 0
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Interesting you say that about funding Matt, and that adds to where I got my 2 yr info. Gates - where I wouldnt have thought funding being a problem. He insisted 18 mnths would be the earliest with short cuts.
I would very much like his take on these vaccines.
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24/11/2020 10:03:18 5 18
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I won't be getting vaccinated, but if I were then I would absolutely insist on getting the Oxford vaccine. While it's still been rushed through at least it uses a well established method.

Of course, EVERY parent I've spoken to has been very adamant that there's no way in hell they are having their kids vaccinated. In fact I'll be very surprised if even a third of people choose vaccination.
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24/11/2020 11:03:05 0 0
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Viral-vector vaccines are only a little older than mRNA vaccines, and none are in use anywhere. If you're waiting for "well established" vaccine technology you'll want something protein-based or one of the "whole virus" vaccines, and the latter will be a lot later.
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24/11/2020 10:49:40 3 16
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Good to hear that vaccination will not be mandatory. After all, we're not in a totalitarian state. Yet.
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24/11/2020 11:03:11 2 14
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You don't think so? The lockdown restrictions -particularly in Wales and Scotland have all the hallmarks of being enforced by what we would have called, just 12 months ago, a Totalitarian State.
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24/11/2020 11:25:00 0 3
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I won't be forced to have a vaccine. I will wait a few years and see if anyone develops any neurological side effects that can occur some time after vaccines are given and then i will have one if not. The side effects (if any) are likely to occur over time and not instantly which is why vaccines take so much time to get signed off safety wise.
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24/11/2020 11:35:02 4 0
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If we really lived in a totalitarian state you'd have the Gestapo round your gaff sharpish to haul you off for posting your comment. As would many others. Do you have any idea what a totalitarian state is ? Please don't wildly exaggerate !
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24/11/2020 11:42:03 4 0
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Utter rubbish.
Pity they weren't/aren't enforced that way though. Then we wouldn't have so many Covidiots wandering around putting all of us at unnecessary levels of risk.
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24/11/2020 11:17:44 29 7
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The Oxford vaccine accidently discovered that a half dose followed by a full dose gave 90% immunity. I wonder whether two half doses could do the same or even create higher immunity still. If this were the case it would release more of the vaccine for global use and reduce the reaction caused from the vaccination

Qantas has announced it will only carry those who are vaccinated - good news
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24/11/2020 11:39:16 27 4
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It wasn't accidentally, they designed their trial using different doses.
True they don't yet fully understand why the one combination was more effective, but they know it was.
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24/11/2020 12:55:30 0 0
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Strange that anyone who hasn’t been vaccinated can’t fly, regardless of testing, but uk are offering testing to people why want to fly in.
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Pip
24/11/2020 15:08:39 0 1
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So you can pay for testing out of quarantine, and I suppose that you can then pay to jump the queue so you can fly. While the rest of us forms an orderly queue..........?
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24/11/2020 10:31:34 4 4
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I'm seriously ill and disabled, shielding but only only in my forties.
This means I currently won't be eligible for a vaccine until after everyone over the age of 50.
So which is it?
Am I so at risk that I need to stay in my house, see no one and cut my care?
Or am I no more at risk than anyone over 50?
If the former, no vaccine is negligence.
If the latter, shielding is unnecessary torture.
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24/11/2020 11:21:49 1 14
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Seems to me that the Oxford Vaccine, at just 62%, is a loser compared with the over 90%s of the rest.
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24/11/2020 11:25:59 17 0
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But a winner when it comes to price and storage.
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24/11/2020 11:30:24 5 0
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Did you read the article ? A half-dose then a full dose of Oxford gives 90% (although they don't yet know why).

What is not known about ANY of the vaccines is how long the immunity lasts, e.g. will we all need to be revaccinated every year, like a flu jab ?
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24/11/2020 11:24:40 41 2
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If you're short on time I'll summarise the comment section. Ninety percent of comments are either one user claiming (falsely) that you can cure COVID with vitamin C or another user repeatedly stating that mRNA vaccines have never been used before and he's sceptical of them.
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24/11/2020 16:52:27 3 23
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I am sceptical of them for three reasons. 1. they are novel and have never been given approval before. 2. There is no accumulated body of safety and adverse effects data on them, 3. There is no evidence of any benefit in terms of outcomes, the current trials were not designed to show this.
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25/11/2020 06:42:10 0 1
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Charlie. Your comment implies you don't believe that natural treatments (not just vit C) help. Is that true and on what basis?
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25/11/2020 11:31:33 0 0
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Why concern ourselves with what other people think (aka, those who think Twitter is the font of all wisdom)?

Take vitamin C. Refuse the vaccines. The front of the queue is closer for me. The NHS will have lower costs.

Once I'm protected, let others who so wish, place their health at risk. To me it's risk vs reward. I'll take the risk (is there a risk) for the reward of near normality in 2021.
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24/11/2020 11:03:11 2 14
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You don't think so? The lockdown restrictions -particularly in Wales and Scotland have all the hallmarks of being enforced by what we would have called, just 12 months ago, a Totalitarian State.
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24/11/2020 11:25:00 0 3
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I won't be forced to have a vaccine. I will wait a few years and see if anyone develops any neurological side effects that can occur some time after vaccines are given and then i will have one if not. The side effects (if any) are likely to occur over time and not instantly which is why vaccines take so much time to get signed off safety wise.
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24/11/2020 11:25:15 104 6
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Vaccination is the only way this country is going to get back into some semblance of normality.

The scientists should be applauded.
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24/11/2020 12:58:23 18 3
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Well said. *applauds*
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24/11/2020 16:27:20 1 5
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These RNA vaccines have no previous regulatory history and require a 7 year moratorium to allow further research on their long term unintended effects. As BMJ say, the trials to date were not designed to show they work or are safe. It is doubtful they would be 90% in real life deployment, that was under test conditions were subjects were selected and those having co-morbidities were excluded.
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24/11/2020 16:57:27 7 0
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When things start to get back to normal I can see airlines and entry to certain countries insisting on a vaccine certificate or doctors letter. That will be no bad thing. Though the antivaxers will no doubt be screaming that it’s unfair.
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24/11/2020 17:40:19 4 0
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Hello...Totally agree, The speed at which they've got these vaccines ready is nothing short of incredible
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24/11/2020 19:38:21 1 2
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Smallpox is the only viral disease eliminated so far by vaccination, as Flu is still about I would doubt cov-19 will be eliminated this side of the next millennium.
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24/11/2020 22:31:52 0 2
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No evidence published to back it up as yet.
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25/11/2020 00:06:28 0 0
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Better to change that bad old normal. Attitudes to gratuitious travel and socialising need to change. There could be a new virus just waiting for the hosts to turn up in a metal transport container, plane. Like home working where possible, not traveling for business, life is better not back to that bad old normal. Better for all respiratory diseases right now. Change no going backwards.
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25/11/2020 14:24:25 0 0
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Indeed, it's good progress and deserves congratulations for even getting this far; but before we get too excited they must actually work, if not for a lifetime at least for a season or so, and that side-effects if any, are rare and only minimal. I suspect it is a battle won, not a war.
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24/11/2020 11:21:49 1 14
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Seems to me that the Oxford Vaccine, at just 62%, is a loser compared with the over 90%s of the rest.
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24/11/2020 11:25:59 17 0
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But a winner when it comes to price and storage.
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Pip
24/11/2020 15:32:16 1 0
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And possibly longevity........?
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24/11/2020 11:21:49 1 14
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Seems to me that the Oxford Vaccine, at just 62%, is a loser compared with the over 90%s of the rest.
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24/11/2020 11:30:24 5 0
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Did you read the article ? A half-dose then a full dose of Oxford gives 90% (although they don't yet know why).

What is not known about ANY of the vaccines is how long the immunity lasts, e.g. will we all need to be revaccinated every year, like a flu jab ?
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24/11/2020 11:58:49 2 0
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Potentially, however its more likely that future outbreaks could in theory be squashed by localised quarantines and vaccination programmes and prevented from becoming a full blown international pandemic.
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24/11/2020 11:03:11 2 14
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You don't think so? The lockdown restrictions -particularly in Wales and Scotland have all the hallmarks of being enforced by what we would have called, just 12 months ago, a Totalitarian State.
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24/11/2020 11:35:02 4 0
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If we really lived in a totalitarian state you'd have the Gestapo round your gaff sharpish to haul you off for posting your comment. As would many others. Do you have any idea what a totalitarian state is ? Please don't wildly exaggerate !
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24/11/2020 13:34:39 0 0
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That would be a really bad example of a totalitarian state.

But the existence of an even worse example of something that is itself unacceptable doesn't make that unacceptable thing more acceptable in absolute terms.
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24/11/2020 10:31:11 1 26
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Well I used liquid vitamin c mega dose it was proven and on Fox News it does reduce symptoms by 64 percent check on american New York news they use it in New York hospital and proven to help I was tested pos and I’m better now all people I know I told them what to take they are now better too
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24/11/2020 11:36:24 5 0
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If you believe Fox News you'll believe anything.
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24/11/2020 11:17:44 29 7
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The Oxford vaccine accidently discovered that a half dose followed by a full dose gave 90% immunity. I wonder whether two half doses could do the same or even create higher immunity still. If this were the case it would release more of the vaccine for global use and reduce the reaction caused from the vaccination

Qantas has announced it will only carry those who are vaccinated - good news
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24/11/2020 11:39:16 27 4
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It wasn't accidentally, they designed their trial using different doses.
True they don't yet fully understand why the one combination was more effective, but they know it was.
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24/11/2020 11:42:06 4 0
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Spot on, I think they also tried 2 full doses a month a part but it was only about 60% effective so the half dose and then booster seems to be the best approach
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BFM
24/11/2020 11:55:14 1 6
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If they knew is was why bother everyone with the 60% and the 70% stats. No they don't have good enough data for the 90% dose.
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24/11/2020 11:40:17 0 19
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teach them to use vitamin c FAKE NEWS!!!
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24/11/2020 12:30:23 0 0
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Let's hope you and your family stay safe eh.....
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24/11/2020 19:03:40 1 0
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Oh yes, my bog standard shop bought Vit C is really going to fend off a novel virus. That has worked so well through history, didn't it?
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24/11/2020 10:15:09 4 19
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I,m just worried if its safe or not. They keep saying it is, but how do they know not being anywhere near the TWO YEARS it usually takes to get a vaccine.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
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24/11/2020 11:41:33 0 0
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"producing normal children" - fair point Oretep. I'm 71 and will certainly have the vaccine when it's available, but you're right, we don't (can't) know about possible long-term effects yet. I think the long-term risk is very small, but non-zero. And I'm old enough to remember Thalidomide.
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24/11/2020 11:03:11 2 14
bbc
You don't think so? The lockdown restrictions -particularly in Wales and Scotland have all the hallmarks of being enforced by what we would have called, just 12 months ago, a Totalitarian State.
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24/11/2020 11:42:03 4 0
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Utter rubbish.
Pity they weren't/aren't enforced that way though. Then we wouldn't have so many Covidiots wandering around putting all of us at unnecessary levels of risk.
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24/11/2020 11:39:16 27 4
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It wasn't accidentally, they designed their trial using different doses.
True they don't yet fully understand why the one combination was more effective, but they know it was.
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24/11/2020 11:42:06 4 0
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Spot on, I think they also tried 2 full doses a month a part but it was only about 60% effective so the half dose and then booster seems to be the best approach
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24/11/2020 11:43:28 3 10
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My daughter aged 17 has severe asthma and is advised by her GP to shield during the current lockdown.

It now appears that she'll have to wait until her 18th birthday before becoming eligible to get the vaccine (when she becomes an 'adult at highest risk').

I'll qualify for a vaccination on 50+ age grounds before her which is ridiculous - I've not had a single day off sick in over 30 years!
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24/11/2020 13:40:40 2 0
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Your daughter is in the "high risk category under age 65" which means she'll be in group 6 of the government provisional priority list . You will be in group 10 ( = lower priority). https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination
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24/11/2020 15:45:28 0 0
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particularly important to vaccinate those that continue going into work when they are ill.
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24/11/2020 10:31:11 1 26
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Well I used liquid vitamin c mega dose it was proven and on Fox News it does reduce symptoms by 64 percent check on american New York news they use it in New York hospital and proven to help I was tested pos and I’m better now all people I know I told them what to take they are now better too
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24/11/2020 11:44:35 4 0
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"on Fox news" - nuff said!
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24/11/2020 10:38:41 6 1
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For a 90yr old man, you sure are switched on
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24/11/2020 11:46:48 5 0
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But he doesn't seem to understand FOI doesn't give unlimited access to information.
I have had the virus i healed my self after doctors refused to help me I used vitamin c and in mornings used black seed it got rid of it in less than a week Removed
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24/11/2020 11:41:53 0 0
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Won't need any vaccine in your family then.
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24/11/2020 11:39:16 27 4
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It wasn't accidentally, they designed their trial using different doses.
True they don't yet fully understand why the one combination was more effective, but they know it was.
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BFM
24/11/2020 11:55:14 1 6
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If they knew is was why bother everyone with the 60% and the 70% stats. No they don't have good enough data for the 90% dose.
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24/11/2020 17:23:06 6 0
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Because, unlike you, they are scientists and, quite rightly, they report their findings
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24/11/2020 11:30:24 5 0
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Did you read the article ? A half-dose then a full dose of Oxford gives 90% (although they don't yet know why).

What is not known about ANY of the vaccines is how long the immunity lasts, e.g. will we all need to be revaccinated every year, like a flu jab ?
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24/11/2020 11:58:49 2 0
bbc
Potentially, however its more likely that future outbreaks could in theory be squashed by localised quarantines and vaccination programmes and prevented from becoming a full blown international pandemic.
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24/11/2020 12:02:52 1 19
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If you are concerned about the speed that these vaccines are being developed and deployed, without any track record of safety regulatory data etc, write to your MP and tell them to slow down a bit and get some data built up on them first, especially on risks and unintended effects on the immune system. They really need at least 7-10 years data to be 100%.
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24/11/2020 12:37:56 9 0
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No, you *never* get 100%. You get more data by giving it to more people. MHRA will monitor adverse events as they always do for all medicines.
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24/11/2020 18:54:00 1 0
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Isn't the 100% surety requirement for ACTION lifted straight from the science deniers of the Tobacco industry & latterly the AGW/CC denier tropes?
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24/11/2020 09:59:10 5 10
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No if you read the Oxford press release apparently they made a bollix of the dosage and only gave half doses, after discovering this they increased it with other folk to the standard dose. The wrong low dose gave 70%, the correct dose 62%.
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BFM
24/11/2020 12:02:58 3 0
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Not so. The 1/2 + Full dose gave 90%. The "correct" dose 60%. No dose gave 70%. Thanks for telling me about the press release. https://covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk/breakthrough-global-covid-19-vaccine
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24/11/2020 10:31:11 1 26
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Well I used liquid vitamin c mega dose it was proven and on Fox News it does reduce symptoms by 64 percent check on american New York news they use it in New York hospital and proven to help I was tested pos and I’m better now all people I know I told them what to take they are now better too
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24/11/2020 12:03:05 5 0
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Did you also drink bleach? Donald Trump says that work! Maybe you just got better over the time you were taking the vitamin C supplement as most people do without any medical intervention or the taking of vitamin supplements.
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24/11/2020 10:27:24 1 12
bbc
The Oxford "Trial" accidently gave one group the wrong low dose which gave 70% the correct dose gave 62%. I suggest the standard higher dose must have caused inhibition or a feedback effect, by saturating antibody binding sites which somehow affected cell signalling and regulation of Humoral and T- cell immunity.
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BFM
24/11/2020 12:07:11 3 0
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Not so. The 1/2 + Full dose gave 90%. The "correct" dose 60%. No dose gave 70%. Thanks for telling me about the press release. https://covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk/breakthrough-global-covid-19-vaccine
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24/11/2020 10:38:41 6 1
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For a 90yr old man, you sure are switched on
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24/11/2020 12:07:19 0 3
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A 90 year old Irishman, born in Dublin under a lucky star! I won't be having a vaccine at all. Guinness XXX (7.5%) three times after meals.
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24/11/2020 21:08:26 2 0
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Good. All the more vaccine for those not influenced by mindless conspiracy theories
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24/11/2020 10:31:11 1 26
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Well I used liquid vitamin c mega dose it was proven and on Fox News it does reduce symptoms by 64 percent check on american New York news they use it in New York hospital and proven to help I was tested pos and I’m better now all people I know I told them what to take they are now better too
You are what we say in Ireland, Talkin Bollocks pal. Removed
Why have they ordered 350 million doses ? I know some require more than 1 dose, but do they not need to cut back on some of the spending ?
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24/11/2020 12:32:32 9 0
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350 million across suppliers. It ensures there will be enough even if one or more don't deliver for whatever reason, and if there is an excess we can use them for boosters if needed in later years. Worst case is we sell our excess allocation.
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24/11/2020 18:27:23 1 0
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When the orders were placed the government was hedging its bets. At the time, and even now to some extent, it was not known which vaccines would work. Would you rather they had risked all on one particular vaccine? What would your reaction be if the choice turned out to be useless. I’d rather follow a belt and braces strategy
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24/11/2020 10:46:57 13 0
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I'm starting to think you work for Outspan ?
Yup, he has been talking bollocks all morning. Removed
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24/11/2020 12:09:57 1 12
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Chris Whitty and that udder fella together look just like Gilbert and George.
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24/11/2020 12:11:54 1 13
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There is a paper in BMJ suggesting flatulence might possible spread cov-19!. Well Guinness produces so toxic emissions, they had to evacuate Dublin airport several times.
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24/11/2020 15:06:15 0 0
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Just one evacuation after another!
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24/11/2020 12:22:12 1 17
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See this correspondence in BMJ concerning Pfizer's vaccine, apparently the number needed to vaccinate to protect one person is 256. I doubt they would get 90% in the field under real life conditions. Flu is only 40%. There is no archival data on these vaccines to say conclusively they work or are 100% safe. They need a 7 year moratorium on them.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4347/rr-4
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24/11/2020 12:30:16 27 2
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Nothing is 100% safe, nor do we need it to be. Your home is not 100% safe, your car isn't, paracetamol isn't, brain surgery isn't. But the benefits of these things outweigh the risks.
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24/11/2020 12:22:12 1 17
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See this correspondence in BMJ concerning Pfizer's vaccine, apparently the number needed to vaccinate to protect one person is 256. I doubt they would get 90% in the field under real life conditions. Flu is only 40%. There is no archival data on these vaccines to say conclusively they work or are 100% safe. They need a 7 year moratorium on them.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4347/rr-4
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24/11/2020 12:30:16 27 2
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Nothing is 100% safe, nor do we need it to be. Your home is not 100% safe, your car isn't, paracetamol isn't, brain surgery isn't. But the benefits of these things outweigh the risks.
Why have they ordered 350 million doses ? I know some require more than 1 dose, but do they not need to cut back on some of the spending ?
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24/11/2020 12:32:32 9 0
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350 million across suppliers. It ensures there will be enough even if one or more don't deliver for whatever reason, and if there is an excess we can use them for boosters if needed in later years. Worst case is we sell our excess allocation.
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24/11/2020 12:02:52 1 19
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If you are concerned about the speed that these vaccines are being developed and deployed, without any track record of safety regulatory data etc, write to your MP and tell them to slow down a bit and get some data built up on them first, especially on risks and unintended effects on the immune system. They really need at least 7-10 years data to be 100%.
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24/11/2020 12:37:56 9 0
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No, you *never* get 100%. You get more data by giving it to more people. MHRA will monitor adverse events as they always do for all medicines.
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24/11/2020 13:17:07 0 0
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The possibility of getting infected without the protection of a vaccine isn't 100% safe.
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24/11/2020 12:42:40 1 0
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Just a thought from a layman in medical matters....if you start with the first jab with one of the 3 vaccines...after 28 days do you have to continue with that one or can you use one of the others available..in other words can they be mixed together safely??
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24/11/2020 13:11:42 13 0
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Urr asking a comments forum for a sensible answer is unlikely to happen
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24/11/2020 15:20:36 1 0
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You should really stick with the same one as it produces the exact same shape of protein that the antibodies react against.
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24/11/2020 15:41:51 1 1
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Unknown, no one will have trialled that. It's possible since they are all achieving the same ends, training the body to attack the spike protein. But why chance it.
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24/11/2020 16:52:23 4 0
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Rather than demanding to switch to alternative vaccines, why not just take your place in the queue to follow the vaccination programme in the interests of the overall public health benefit and (if approved) the delivery of the biggest vaccination programme ever. In theory cocktails of vaccines would offer some protection but the effectiveness of these are not yet known.
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24/11/2020 18:06:11 1 0
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Valid point, but I would be surprised if mixing different vaccines would actually occur, and certainly not if there was no safety data for such a strategy
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24/11/2020 20:49:44 3 0
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You'll get the same one again. The NHS will know which one you had the first time round so will give you the required dosage of the second dose with out any problem.
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24/11/2020 11:40:17 0 19
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teach them to use vitamin c FAKE NEWS!!!
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24/11/2020 12:30:23 0 0
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Let's hope you and your family stay safe eh.....
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24/11/2020 11:17:44 29 7
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The Oxford vaccine accidently discovered that a half dose followed by a full dose gave 90% immunity. I wonder whether two half doses could do the same or even create higher immunity still. If this were the case it would release more of the vaccine for global use and reduce the reaction caused from the vaccination

Qantas has announced it will only carry those who are vaccinated - good news
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24/11/2020 12:55:30 0 0
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Strange that anyone who hasn’t been vaccinated can’t fly, regardless of testing, but uk are offering testing to people why want to fly in.
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24/11/2020 11:25:15 104 6
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Vaccination is the only way this country is going to get back into some semblance of normality.

The scientists should be applauded.
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24/11/2020 12:58:23 18 3
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Well said. *applauds*
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24/11/2020 12:42:40 1 0
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Just a thought from a layman in medical matters....if you start with the first jab with one of the 3 vaccines...after 28 days do you have to continue with that one or can you use one of the others available..in other words can they be mixed together safely??
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24/11/2020 13:11:42 13 0
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Urr asking a comments forum for a sensible answer is unlikely to happen
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24/11/2020 13:38:43 4 0
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Not everyone is on here to troll. Common sense tells us that you'd have to take two of the same vaccine - they use different strategies to activate the immune system. I'm no scientist - but doesn't your intuition serve you well here?
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24/11/2020 12:37:56 9 0
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No, you *never* get 100%. You get more data by giving it to more people. MHRA will monitor adverse events as they always do for all medicines.
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24/11/2020 13:17:07 0 0
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The possibility of getting infected without the protection of a vaccine isn't 100% safe.
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24/11/2020 13:28:47 2 0
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The article you posted contained absolutely no evidence whatsoever to prove your claim that the majority of the population have had Covid.

I thought you said there was "plenty of evidence"? Where is it?