Covid: How will I get a coronavirus vaccine?
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Several vaccines are showing promise and one is already being reviewed by the UK regulator.
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We need to wake up to the reality of the Astra Z vaccine. There is no 70% effective dose. The normal dose which they have tested most is 60%. Clearly they are not confident about the dose at 90% or e they would have just said we'll use that dose and its 90%. So there is going to be a tussle about which vaccines people want to have. The Astra Z vaccine does seem to prevent hospitalisations well.
No if you read the Oxford press release apparently they made a bollix of the dosage and only gave half doses, after discovering this they increased it with other folk to the standard dose. The wrong low dose gave 70%, the correct dose 62%.
That last sentence is really important. If Vaccine A stops 70% getting the disease but the other 30% only have a mild case, IMO that would be better than Vaccine B that stops 90% but some of the other 10% risk severe illness. If we all got the disease every couple of years but could be confident it was just like a bad cold, I would take that option right now.
For a significant majority there is no need for you to have a vaccine. This virus as now passed through the bulk of the population. Over 99% will recover from it. It would therefore be best for those who are most at risk to have it first For most of us normal service can and should be resumed now. It is not the mass killer first thought and over reacted too. Hancock should tell the truth.
"This virus as now passed through the bulk of the population."
Have any empirical evidence for this claim?
Have any empirical evidence for this claim?
Let’s say it’s approved & safe but Who is liable if the rushed vaccine causes chronic illness or severe reaction ?,What about the volunteers that became seriously sick? Remember the doctor that died by Uk vax it was reported on bbc news 21/10/2020 one became paralysed. Can the doctors give it in writing that vaccine won’t cause serious complications ? Manufacturers are protected against Damages!
I used vitamin c and black seed to fight off infection after being tested positive I couldn’t breath I have asthma and I tried ginger tea but it would come back next day I felt so fatigued it was awful but took a week to heal because I didn’t use anything until 4 days after feeling unwell
Ginger tea doesn’t do much for people who have it and have asthma Cos it didn’t do much for me but black seed oil cleared up the remaining part im so thankful to god
We need to wake up to the reality of the Astra Z vaccine. There is no 70% effective dose. The normal dose which they have tested most is 60%. Clearly they are not confident about the dose at 90% or e they would have just said we'll use that dose and its 90%. So there is going to be a tussle about which vaccines people want to have. The Astra Z vaccine does seem to prevent hospitalisations well.
I healed my self quite fast with vitamin c 1000 after being tested even msn news admit it helps now and some doctors
My brother was tested he had a mild one and is generally healthy but felt fatigued and coughing he took vitamin c 1000 for a few days and it went
Not so. The 1/2 + Full dose gave 90%. The "correct" dose 60%. No dose gave 70%. Thanks for telling me about the press release. https://covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk/breakthrough-global-covid-19-vaccine
These mRNA vaccines are so novel they have never been given regulatory approval previously, hence the regulator has no body of data on their long term unintended effects on the immune system and human health. The trials as BMJ points out are not designed to prove they work, nor do they prove they are safe. I shall not be rushing out to get it or the others until I see evidence.
People in New York hospitals were treated with vitamin c it was on Fox and cbs news it did reduce by over 60 percent but they banned it in Canada because there’s no money to be made from it
So you're expecting other people to test it for you?
As Alexander Pope remarked "Fools rush in, where Angels fear to tread". I shall wait and see as there has never been mRNA vaccines given approval before. A complete unknown, better the devil you know than the devil you don't. They could end up making a bad situation worse.
For a significant majority there is no need for you to have a vaccine. This virus as now passed through the bulk of the population. Over 99% will recover from it. It would therefore be best for those who are most at risk to have it first For most of us normal service can and should be resumed now. It is not the mass killer first thought and over reacted too. Hancock should tell the truth.
There is plenty of evidence if you take the time to research. For example, they have used the new test in Liverpool which is believed to be far more accurate. They tested 129k and could only find 2000 positives, that isn't people who are ill just positives. It was believed this was because the virus as already passed through the bulk of the population.
Let’s say it’s approved and safe but Who is liable if the rushed vaccine causes chronic illness or severe reaction ?,What about the volunteers that became either seriously sick? Remember the doctor that died it was reported on bbc news 21/10/2020 one became paralysed. Can the doctors give it in writing that vaccine won’t cause serious complications ? Manufacturers are protected against Damages!
From what I understand there will be no liability on behalf of the manufacturer should you grow an extra leg or any other side efect
The Janssen vaccine uses just inactivated spike protein, which may not be as effective but may be less risky than Pfizer's and Moderna's.
Well I used vitamin c it was more effective and black seed oil I was tested so was my brother we both used stuff at home it did help but took 3/4 days but I had asthma so took one week plus I started taking it late
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Some context may elevate this forum to being actually useful - in summary, what are the risks of these vaccine protocols then? Are the risks acceptably low given the alternative? Should we trust over /200 years/ of human vaccine development?
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There seem to be lots of “ may” “might” and “possibly “ in your various comments. Why don’t you just admit that, despite all your doom and gloom, you don’t actually know any of the consequences of having this vaccine? Simply describing yourself as a Dr doesn’t automatically make you right.
I won't be getting vaccinated, but if I were then I would absolutely insist on getting the Oxford vaccine. While it's still been rushed through at least it uses a well established method.
Of course, EVERY parent I've spoken to has been very adamant that there's no way in hell they are having their kids vaccinated. In fact I'll be very surprised if even a third of people choose vaccination.
Of course, EVERY parent I've spoken to has been very adamant that there's no way in hell they are having their kids vaccinated. In fact I'll be very surprised if even a third of people choose vaccination.
What if you have serious complications the vaccine company aren’t liable if u claim for damages
Viral-vector vaccines are only a little older than mRNA vaccines, and none are in use anywhere. If you're waiting for "well established" vaccine technology you'll want something protein-based or one of the "whole virus" vaccines, and the latter will be a lot later.
For a significant majority there is no need for you to have a vaccine. This virus as now passed through the bulk of the population. Over 99% will recover from it. It would therefore be best for those who are most at risk to have it first For most of us normal service can and should be resumed now. It is not the mass killer first thought and over reacted too. Hancock should tell the truth.
Let’s say it’s approved & safe but Who is liable if the rushed vaccine causes chronic illness or severe reaction ?,What about the volunteers that became seriously sick? Remember the doctor that died by Uk vax it was reported on bbc news 21/10/2020 one became paralysed. Can the doctors give it in writing that vaccine won’t cause serious complications ? Manufacturers are protected against Damages!
Let’s say it’s approved and safe but Who is liable if the rushed vaccine causes chronic illness or severe reaction ?,What about the volunteers that became either seriously sick? Remember the doctor that died it was reported on bbc news 21/10/2020 one became paralysed. Can the doctors give it in writing that vaccine won’t cause serious complications ? Manufacturers are protected against Damages!
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But what about if I turn into an aggresive zombie with an aversion to daylight?
They need to assess folk whether than have been pre-exposed/infected with Sars-cov-2, some may have over stimulated immunity leading to the "cytokine storm". The Oxford "trial" excluded folk with severe co morbidities, the very folk who are more likely to get Cov-19. Hence the data will not reflect conditions in the field.
The bbc news encouraging people to take vitamin d3 and be healthy but You can’t take high doses of vitamind3 without a combo of magnesium and k2 as this can cause imbalance of calcium and other minerals , some news websites say to take vitamind3,yet fail to mention the importance of k2 and magnesium Vaccine companies are not liable if you are injured by vaccine after it’s proven safe
I won't be getting vaccinated, but if I were then I would absolutely insist on getting the Oxford vaccine. While it's still been rushed through at least it uses a well established method.
Of course, EVERY parent I've spoken to has been very adamant that there's no way in hell they are having their kids vaccinated. In fact I'll be very surprised if even a third of people choose vaccination.
Of course, EVERY parent I've spoken to has been very adamant that there's no way in hell they are having their kids vaccinated. In fact I'll be very surprised if even a third of people choose vaccination.
The bbc news encouraging people to take vitamin d3 and be healthy but You can’t take high doses of vitamind3 without a combo of magnesium and k2 as this can cause imbalance of calcium and other minerals , some news websites say to take vitamind3,yet fail to mention the importance of k2 and magnesium Vaccine companies are not liable if you are injured by vaccine after it’s proven safe
For a significant majority there is no need for you to have a vaccine. This virus as now passed through the bulk of the population. Over 99% will recover from it. It would therefore be best for those who are most at risk to have it first For most of us normal service can and should be resumed now. It is not the mass killer first thought and over reacted too. Hancock should tell the truth.
The Vaccine damage payments Act 1979 does not include cov-19. The government just changed the Human Medicines Regulation 2012, despite a petition opposing it.
The bbc news encouraged us to take vitamin d3 but You can’t take high doses of vitamind3 without a combo of magnesium and k2 as this can cause imbalance of calcium and other minerals , some news websites say to take vitamind3,yet fail to mention the importance of k2 and magnesium
What's the link between those pieces of legislation?
The VDPA 79 is an early piece of disability legislation; granting rights to individuals based on medical, health or other physical condition.
The Human Medicines Regs 2012 are a regime for the authorisation of medicinal products for human use.
The VDPA 79 is an early piece of disability legislation; granting rights to individuals based on medical, health or other physical condition.
The Human Medicines Regs 2012 are a regime for the authorisation of medicinal products for human use.
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For a significant majority there is no need for you to have a vaccine. This virus as now passed through the bulk of the population. Over 99% will recover from it. It would therefore be best for those who are most at risk to have it first For most of us normal service can and should be resumed now. It is not the mass killer first thought and over reacted too. Hancock should tell the truth.
There is plenty of evidence if you take the time to research. For example, they have used the new test in Liverpool which is believed to be far more accurate. They tested 129k and could only find 2000 positives, that isn't people who are ill just positives. It was believed this was because the virus as already passed through the bulk of the population.
Also, I,m sure I read Italy can confirm cases from Sept 2019 from blood samples. No doubt, that wasnt the 1st batch, so you can assume Covid was rife when they said it wasnt.
December 2019 our doctors and pubs were full of people coughing up with flu like symptoms, I wasnt right for at least a month and many I know were similar with what we know now as Covid symptoms.
December 2019 our doctors and pubs were full of people coughing up with flu like symptoms, I wasnt right for at least a month and many I know were similar with what we know now as Covid symptoms.
As Alexander Pope remarked "Fools rush in, where Angels fear to tread". I shall wait and see as there has never been mRNA vaccines given approval before. A complete unknown, better the devil you know than the devil you don't. They could end up making a bad situation worse.
These mRNA vaccines are so novel they have never been given regulatory approval previously, hence the regulator has no body of data on their long term unintended effects on the immune system and human health. The trials as BMJ points out are not designed to prove they work, nor do they prove they are safe. I shall not be rushing out to get it or the others until I see evidence.
Everything associated with the pandemic in UK has gone AOT from day 1, testing, track and trace, now vaccines which may or may not be as effective as these trial studies imply. It's pot luck and a waiting game. They need 7-10 years data to ensure safety and efficacy minimum, as they are novel vaccines.
You are a genius everything these massive companies do is not right according to you. Maybe you should create the vaccine yourself and we could have a billion totally safe doses the day before yesterday.
And who do you expect it to be tested on for 7-10 years?
Bbc news states to take vitamin d3 to boost health but You can’t take high doses of vitamind3 without a combo of magnesium and k2 as this can cause imbalance of calcium and other minerals , some news websites say to take vitamind3,yet fail to mention the importance of k2 and magnesium
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They need to assess folk whether than have been pre-exposed/infected with Sars-cov-2, some may have over stimulated immunity leading to the "cytokine storm". The Oxford "trial" excluded folk with severe co morbidities, the very folk who are more likely to get Cov-19. Hence the data will not reflect conditions in the field.
The bbc news encouraging people to take vitamin d3 and be healthy but You can’t take high doses of vitamind3 without a combo of magnesium and k2 as this can cause imbalance of calcium and other minerals , some news websites say to take vitamind3,yet fail to mention the importance of k2 and magnesium Vaccine companies are not liable if you are injured by vaccine after it’s proven safe
I,m just worried if its safe or not. They keep saying it is, but how do they know not being anywhere near the TWO YEARS it usually takes to get a vaccine.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
Most of the time in vaccine development is spent on applying for funding and gathering volunteers. That has not been a problem this time round. Clinical trials of vaccines have also happened very quickly because of how prevalent the virus is in society at the moment.
Really they need at least 7-10 years to be 100% sure of safety, efficacy.
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Imagine 2 headed babies or one eyed children if pregnant women took risky vaccine after being told it’s safe you won’t be able to sue them Cos u never got it in writing to guarantee it’s safe and a doctor signing that you can sue them if u get unwell or children get birth defects
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Lots of medications and vaccines have been told it’s safe years ago and look how. Many children were born with short arms or other birth defects
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Do you want to inject your self with lab made cells created from aborted babies
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Well I used liquid vitamin c mega dose it was proven and on Fox News it does reduce symptoms by 64 percent check on american New York news they use it in New York hospital and proven to help Ginger root tea didn’t really help me much but high quality liquid vitamin c 1000 Did it for me after tested pos
"producing normal children" - fair point Oretep. I'm 71 and will certainly have the vaccine when it's available, but you're right, we don't (can't) know about possible long-term effects yet. I think the long-term risk is very small, but non-zero. And I'm old enough to remember Thalidomide.
I won't be getting vaccinated, but if I were then I would absolutely insist on getting the Oxford vaccine. While it's still been rushed through at least it uses a well established method.
Of course, EVERY parent I've spoken to has been very adamant that there's no way in hell they are having their kids vaccinated. In fact I'll be very surprised if even a third of people choose vaccination.
Of course, EVERY parent I've spoken to has been very adamant that there's no way in hell they are having their kids vaccinated. In fact I'll be very surprised if even a third of people choose vaccination.
The Astra Zeneca vaccine uses an Adenovirus extracted from Chimp's poo as the vector for the spike protein! Just fancy that.
They also used shark cells and cells from aborted babies and GMOS
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Truffles are the fruiting body of a fungus; the spores of which are most typically through excretion by animals that eat the funghi. i.e Truffles are made out of pig s**t.
Well, truffles are a delicacy and sell for a pretty penny at a number of highly reputable retailers.
Well, truffles are a delicacy and sell for a pretty penny at a number of highly reputable retailers.
You can buy very expensive coffee that has been passed through a cat. What's your point?
I,m just worried if its safe or not. They keep saying it is, but how do they know not being anywhere near the TWO YEARS it usually takes to get a vaccine.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
Interesting you say that about funding Matt, and that adds to where I got my 2 yr info. Gates - where I wouldnt have thought funding being a problem. He insisted 18 mnths would be the earliest with short cuts.
I would very much like his take on these vaccines.
I would very much like his take on these vaccines.
I hope people will report to the media after they get seriously injured by this risky vaccine
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Who cares about vaccinations, last week 3000 people died or Coronavirus thats 0.005% of population!! There are far more health issues that need addressing that cause a lot more deaths than Covid does, we should concentrate on those
Bbc news encouraging people to take vitamin d3 but You can’t take high doses of vitamind3 without a combo of magnesium and k2 as this can cause imbalance of calcium and other minerals , some news websites say to take vitamind3,yet fail to mention the importance of k2 and magnesium
Yes the big spike in excess deaths back in April/May was largely down to the government not responding fast enough to a pandemic and lack of PPE etc.
Sure, yeah, as if you can take someone sick with cancer or whatever other disease into a hospital brimming with Covid infections. You'd be sending them to their deaths or extreme debilitation! Don't you understand that viruses spread? We are not little children who can just cover our eyes and pretend the 'big bad' doesn't exist!
I have done FOIs to obtain the trial data on both Pfizer's and the Oxford vaccines, I bet they try and fob me off with excuses. What concerns me is the speed and lack of publications in peer review and lack of transparency. The government is reaching for a cure all vaccine in desperation because it made a bollix back in March.
I don't think there's any lack of transparency in that none of these vaccines' trial data has been fully peer reviewed. Yet. They will be soon and you'd be able to access them on google (even behind a paywall), without needing to make a FOIA request.
You can't do an FOI request on a private company and their intellectual property, what you can obtain is the publicly available test data needed to satisfy the regulatory authorities for a medicine's acceptance and approval.
I,m just worried if its safe or not. They keep saying it is, but how do they know not being anywhere near the TWO YEARS it usually takes to get a vaccine.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
I,m just worried if its safe or not. They keep saying it is, but how do they know not being anywhere near the TWO YEARS it usually takes to get a vaccine.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
I,m just worried if its safe or not. They keep saying it is, but how do they know not being anywhere near the TWO YEARS it usually takes to get a vaccine.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
I,m just worried if its safe or not. They keep saying it is, but how do they know not being anywhere near the TWO YEARS it usually takes to get a vaccine.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
There is plenty of evidence if you take the time to research. For example, they have used the new test in Liverpool which is believed to be far more accurate. They tested 129k and could only find 2000 positives, that isn't people who are ill just positives. It was believed this was because the virus as already passed through the bulk of the population.
Also, I,m sure I read Italy can confirm cases from Sept 2019 from blood samples. No doubt, that wasnt the 1st batch, so you can assume Covid was rife when they said it wasnt.
December 2019 our doctors and pubs were full of people coughing up with flu like symptoms, I wasnt right for at least a month and many I know were similar with what we know now as Covid symptoms.
December 2019 our doctors and pubs were full of people coughing up with flu like symptoms, I wasnt right for at least a month and many I know were similar with what we know now as Covid symptoms.
The Oxford "Trial" accidently gave one group the wrong low dose which gave 70% the correct dose gave 62%. I suggest the standard higher dose must have caused inhibition or a feedback effect, by saturating antibody binding sites which somehow affected cell signalling and regulation of Humoral and T- cell immunity.
Well I used liquid vitamin c mega dose it was proven and on Fox News it does reduce symptoms by 64 percent check on american New York news they use it in New York hospital and proven to help I was tested pos and I’m better now all people I know I told them what to take they are now better too
Not so. The 1/2 + Full dose gave 90%. The "correct" dose 60%. No dose gave 70%. Thanks for telling me about the press release. https://covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk/breakthrough-global-covid-19-vaccine
Well “Dr” it seems that once again, as with so many of your posts, you are wrong. The dosing was not accidental. The outcome was unexpected and so far, unexplained, but I am confident that real scientists will find an explanation. It may surprise you to learn that science often progresses by making and explaining unexpected observations. If you were a real scientist you would know that
I,m just worried if its safe or not. They keep saying it is, but how do they know not being anywhere near the TWO YEARS it usually takes to get a vaccine.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
The bbc news encouraging people to take vitamin d3 and be healthy but You can’t take high doses of vitamind3 without a combo of magnesium and k2 as this can cause imbalance of calcium and other minerals , some news websites say to take vitamind3,yet fail to mention the importance of k2 and magnesium Vaccine companies are not liable if you are injured by vaccine after it’s proven safe
I,m just worried if its safe or not. They keep saying it is, but how do they know not being anywhere near the TWO YEARS it usually takes to get a vaccine.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
Well I used liquid vitamin c mega dose it was proven and on Fox News it does reduce symptoms by 64 percent check on american New York news they use it in New York hospital and proven to help Ginger root tea didn’t really help me much but high quality liquid vitamin c 1000 Did it for me after tested pos
I'm seriously ill and disabled, shielding but only only in my forties.
This means I currently won't be eligible for a vaccine until after everyone over the age of 50.
So which is it?
Am I so at risk that I need to stay in my house, see no one and cut my care?
Or am I no more at risk than anyone over 50?
If the former, no vaccine is negligence.
If the latter, shielding is unnecessary torture.
This means I currently won't be eligible for a vaccine until after everyone over the age of 50.
So which is it?
Am I so at risk that I need to stay in my house, see no one and cut my care?
Or am I no more at risk than anyone over 50?
If the former, no vaccine is negligence.
If the latter, shielding is unnecessary torture.
You will be in group 6 of phase 1. High risk adults under 65 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination
I have had the virus i healed my self after doctors refused to help me I used vitamin c and in mornings used black seed it got rid of it in less than a week
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The Oxford "Trial" accidently gave one group the wrong low dose which gave 70% the correct dose gave 62%. I suggest the standard higher dose must have caused inhibition or a feedback effect, by saturating antibody binding sites which somehow affected cell signalling and regulation of Humoral and T- cell immunity.
If you believe Fox News you'll believe anything.
Did you also drink bleach? Donald Trump says that work! Maybe you just got better over the time you were taking the vitamin C supplement as most people do without any medical intervention or the taking of vitamin supplements.
You might not have understood the difference between (i) x% reduction in symptons in the event of infection; and (ii) y% efficacy at reducing infection.
Whatever the values of x and y, a more sensible approach would be Vit C AND vaccination.
Whatever the values of x and y, a more sensible approach would be Vit C AND vaccination.
Fox and news do not go together! I suppose you beleive them when they say Trump won the election.Really?
I have done FOIs to obtain the trial data on both Pfizer's and the Oxford vaccines, I bet they try and fob me off with excuses. What concerns me is the speed and lack of publications in peer review and lack of transparency. The government is reaching for a cure all vaccine in desperation because it made a bollix back in March.
But he doesn't seem to understand FOI doesn't give unlimited access to information.
There is plenty of evidence if you take the time to research. For example, they have used the new test in Liverpool which is believed to be far more accurate. They tested 129k and could only find 2000 positives, that isn't people who are ill just positives. It was believed this was because the virus as already passed through the bulk of the population.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8971669/What-DONT-tell-Covid-facts-twisted-strike-fear-hearts.html
There's a start, Im starting to think you just can't be bothered
There's a start, Im starting to think you just can't be bothered
I have had the virus i healed my self after doctors refused to help me I used vitamin c and in mornings used black seed it got rid of it in less than a week
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Good to hear that vaccination will not be mandatory. After all, we're not in a totalitarian state. Yet.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8971669/What-DONT-tell-Covid-facts-twisted-strike-fear-hearts.html
There's a start, Im starting to think you just can't be bothered
There's a start, Im starting to think you just can't be bothered
Most of the time in vaccine development is spent on applying for funding and gathering volunteers. That has not been a problem this time round. Clinical trials of vaccines have also happened very quickly because of how prevalent the virus is in society at the moment.
I won't be getting vaccinated, but if I were then I would absolutely insist on getting the Oxford vaccine. While it's still been rushed through at least it uses a well established method.
Of course, EVERY parent I've spoken to has been very adamant that there's no way in hell they are having their kids vaccinated. In fact I'll be very surprised if even a third of people choose vaccination.
Of course, EVERY parent I've spoken to has been very adamant that there's no way in hell they are having their kids vaccinated. In fact I'll be very surprised if even a third of people choose vaccination.
Good to hear that vaccination will not be mandatory. After all, we're not in a totalitarian state. Yet.
I won't be forced to have a vaccine. I will wait a few years and see if anyone develops any neurological side effects that can occur some time after vaccines are given and then i will have one if not. The side effects (if any) are likely to occur over time and not instantly which is why vaccines take so much time to get signed off safety wise.
If we really lived in a totalitarian state you'd have the Gestapo round your gaff sharpish to haul you off for posting your comment. As would many others. Do you have any idea what a totalitarian state is ? Please don't wildly exaggerate !
The Oxford vaccine accidently discovered that a half dose followed by a full dose gave 90% immunity. I wonder whether two half doses could do the same or even create higher immunity still. If this were the case it would release more of the vaccine for global use and reduce the reaction caused from the vaccination
Qantas has announced it will only carry those who are vaccinated - good news
Qantas has announced it will only carry those who are vaccinated - good news
It wasn't accidentally, they designed their trial using different doses.
True they don't yet fully understand why the one combination was more effective, but they know it was.
True they don't yet fully understand why the one combination was more effective, but they know it was.
Strange that anyone who hasn’t been vaccinated can’t fly, regardless of testing, but uk are offering testing to people why want to fly in.
I'm seriously ill and disabled, shielding but only only in my forties.
This means I currently won't be eligible for a vaccine until after everyone over the age of 50.
So which is it?
Am I so at risk that I need to stay in my house, see no one and cut my care?
Or am I no more at risk than anyone over 50?
If the former, no vaccine is negligence.
If the latter, shielding is unnecessary torture.
This means I currently won't be eligible for a vaccine until after everyone over the age of 50.
So which is it?
Am I so at risk that I need to stay in my house, see no one and cut my care?
Or am I no more at risk than anyone over 50?
If the former, no vaccine is negligence.
If the latter, shielding is unnecessary torture.
You will be in group 6 of phase 1. High risk adults under 65 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination
Seems to me that the Oxford Vaccine, at just 62%, is a loser compared with the over 90%s of the rest.
Did you read the article ? A half-dose then a full dose of Oxford gives 90% (although they don't yet know why).
What is not known about ANY of the vaccines is how long the immunity lasts, e.g. will we all need to be revaccinated every year, like a flu jab ?
What is not known about ANY of the vaccines is how long the immunity lasts, e.g. will we all need to be revaccinated every year, like a flu jab ?
If you're short on time I'll summarise the comment section. Ninety percent of comments are either one user claiming (falsely) that you can cure COVID with vitamin C or another user repeatedly stating that mRNA vaccines have never been used before and he's sceptical of them.
I am sceptical of them for three reasons. 1. they are novel and have never been given approval before. 2. There is no accumulated body of safety and adverse effects data on them, 3. There is no evidence of any benefit in terms of outcomes, the current trials were not designed to show this.
Charlie. Your comment implies you don't believe that natural treatments (not just vit C) help. Is that true and on what basis?
Why concern ourselves with what other people think (aka, those who think Twitter is the font of all wisdom)?
Take vitamin C. Refuse the vaccines. The front of the queue is closer for me. The NHS will have lower costs.
Once I'm protected, let others who so wish, place their health at risk. To me it's risk vs reward. I'll take the risk (is there a risk) for the reward of near normality in 2021.
Take vitamin C. Refuse the vaccines. The front of the queue is closer for me. The NHS will have lower costs.
Once I'm protected, let others who so wish, place their health at risk. To me it's risk vs reward. I'll take the risk (is there a risk) for the reward of near normality in 2021.
I won't be forced to have a vaccine. I will wait a few years and see if anyone develops any neurological side effects that can occur some time after vaccines are given and then i will have one if not. The side effects (if any) are likely to occur over time and not instantly which is why vaccines take so much time to get signed off safety wise.
Vaccination is the only way this country is going to get back into some semblance of normality.
The scientists should be applauded.
The scientists should be applauded.
Well said. *applauds*
These RNA vaccines have no previous regulatory history and require a 7 year moratorium to allow further research on their long term unintended effects. As BMJ say, the trials to date were not designed to show they work or are safe. It is doubtful they would be 90% in real life deployment, that was under test conditions were subjects were selected and those having co-morbidities were excluded.
When things start to get back to normal I can see airlines and entry to certain countries insisting on a vaccine certificate or doctors letter. That will be no bad thing. Though the antivaxers will no doubt be screaming that it’s unfair.
Hello...Totally agree, The speed at which they've got these vaccines ready is nothing short of incredible
Smallpox is the only viral disease eliminated so far by vaccination, as Flu is still about I would doubt cov-19 will be eliminated this side of the next millennium.
Better to change that bad old normal. Attitudes to gratuitious travel and socialising need to change. There could be a new virus just waiting for the hosts to turn up in a metal transport container, plane. Like home working where possible, not traveling for business, life is better not back to that bad old normal. Better for all respiratory diseases right now. Change no going backwards.
Indeed, it's good progress and deserves congratulations for even getting this far; but before we get too excited they must actually work, if not for a lifetime at least for a season or so, and that side-effects if any, are rare and only minimal. I suspect it is a battle won, not a war.
Potentially, however its more likely that future outbreaks could in theory be squashed by localised quarantines and vaccination programmes and prevented from becoming a full blown international pandemic.
That would be a really bad example of a totalitarian state.
But the existence of an even worse example of something that is itself unacceptable doesn't make that unacceptable thing more acceptable in absolute terms.
But the existence of an even worse example of something that is itself unacceptable doesn't make that unacceptable thing more acceptable in absolute terms.
Well I used liquid vitamin c mega dose it was proven and on Fox News it does reduce symptoms by 64 percent check on american New York news they use it in New York hospital and proven to help I was tested pos and I’m better now all people I know I told them what to take they are now better too
The Oxford vaccine accidently discovered that a half dose followed by a full dose gave 90% immunity. I wonder whether two half doses could do the same or even create higher immunity still. If this were the case it would release more of the vaccine for global use and reduce the reaction caused from the vaccination
Qantas has announced it will only carry those who are vaccinated - good news
Qantas has announced it will only carry those who are vaccinated - good news
Spot on, I think they also tried 2 full doses a month a part but it was only about 60% effective so the half dose and then booster seems to be the best approach
I,m just worried if its safe or not. They keep saying it is, but how do they know not being anywhere near the TWO YEARS it usually takes to get a vaccine.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
Short cuts are needed for under TWO years, I will be happy to take it Sept 2022 subject to those taking it now still being functional & producing normal children.
My daughter aged 17 has severe asthma and is advised by her GP to shield during the current lockdown.
It now appears that she'll have to wait until her 18th birthday before becoming eligible to get the vaccine (when she becomes an 'adult at highest risk').
I'll qualify for a vaccination on 50+ age grounds before her which is ridiculous - I've not had a single day off sick in over 30 years!
It now appears that she'll have to wait until her 18th birthday before becoming eligible to get the vaccine (when she becomes an 'adult at highest risk').
I'll qualify for a vaccination on 50+ age grounds before her which is ridiculous - I've not had a single day off sick in over 30 years!
Your daughter is in the "high risk category under age 65" which means she'll be in group 6 of the government provisional priority list . You will be in group 10 ( = lower priority). https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination
particularly important to vaccinate those that continue going into work when they are ill.
Well I used liquid vitamin c mega dose it was proven and on Fox News it does reduce symptoms by 64 percent check on american New York news they use it in New York hospital and proven to help I was tested pos and I’m better now all people I know I told them what to take they are now better too
I have had the virus i healed my self after doctors refused to help me I used vitamin c and in mornings used black seed it got rid of it in less than a week
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Did you read the article ? A half-dose then a full dose of Oxford gives 90% (although they don't yet know why).
What is not known about ANY of the vaccines is how long the immunity lasts, e.g. will we all need to be revaccinated every year, like a flu jab ?
What is not known about ANY of the vaccines is how long the immunity lasts, e.g. will we all need to be revaccinated every year, like a flu jab ?
If you are concerned about the speed that these vaccines are being developed and deployed, without any track record of safety regulatory data etc, write to your MP and tell them to slow down a bit and get some data built up on them first, especially on risks and unintended effects on the immune system. They really need at least 7-10 years data to be 100%.
No, you *never* get 100%. You get more data by giving it to more people. MHRA will monitor adverse events as they always do for all medicines.
Isn't the 100% surety requirement for ACTION lifted straight from the science deniers of the Tobacco industry & latterly the AGW/CC denier tropes?
Not so. The 1/2 + Full dose gave 90%. The "correct" dose 60%. No dose gave 70%. Thanks for telling me about the press release. https://covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk/breakthrough-global-covid-19-vaccine
Well I used liquid vitamin c mega dose it was proven and on Fox News it does reduce symptoms by 64 percent check on american New York news they use it in New York hospital and proven to help I was tested pos and I’m better now all people I know I told them what to take they are now better too
The Oxford "Trial" accidently gave one group the wrong low dose which gave 70% the correct dose gave 62%. I suggest the standard higher dose must have caused inhibition or a feedback effect, by saturating antibody binding sites which somehow affected cell signalling and regulation of Humoral and T- cell immunity.
Not so. The 1/2 + Full dose gave 90%. The "correct" dose 60%. No dose gave 70%. Thanks for telling me about the press release. https://covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk/breakthrough-global-covid-19-vaccine
Well I used liquid vitamin c mega dose it was proven and on Fox News it does reduce symptoms by 64 percent check on american New York news they use it in New York hospital and proven to help I was tested pos and I’m better now all people I know I told them what to take they are now better too
Why have they ordered 350 million doses ? I know some require more than 1 dose, but do they not need to cut back on some of the spending ?
350 million across suppliers. It ensures there will be enough even if one or more don't deliver for whatever reason, and if there is an excess we can use them for boosters if needed in later years. Worst case is we sell our excess allocation.
When the orders were placed the government was hedging its bets. At the time, and even now to some extent, it was not known which vaccines would work. Would you rather they had risked all on one particular vaccine? What would your reaction be if the choice turned out to be useless. I’d rather follow a belt and braces strategy
See this correspondence in BMJ concerning Pfizer's vaccine, apparently the number needed to vaccinate to protect one person is 256. I doubt they would get 90% in the field under real life conditions. Flu is only 40%. There is no archival data on these vaccines to say conclusively they work or are 100% safe. They need a 7 year moratorium on them.
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4347/rr-4
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4347/rr-4
Nothing is 100% safe, nor do we need it to be. Your home is not 100% safe, your car isn't, paracetamol isn't, brain surgery isn't. But the benefits of these things outweigh the risks.
See this correspondence in BMJ concerning Pfizer's vaccine, apparently the number needed to vaccinate to protect one person is 256. I doubt they would get 90% in the field under real life conditions. Flu is only 40%. There is no archival data on these vaccines to say conclusively they work or are 100% safe. They need a 7 year moratorium on them.
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4347/rr-4
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4347/rr-4
Why have they ordered 350 million doses ? I know some require more than 1 dose, but do they not need to cut back on some of the spending ?
If you are concerned about the speed that these vaccines are being developed and deployed, without any track record of safety regulatory data etc, write to your MP and tell them to slow down a bit and get some data built up on them first, especially on risks and unintended effects on the immune system. They really need at least 7-10 years data to be 100%.
The possibility of getting infected without the protection of a vaccine isn't 100% safe.
Just a thought from a layman in medical matters....if you start with the first jab with one of the 3 vaccines...after 28 days do you have to continue with that one or can you use one of the others available..in other words can they be mixed together safely??
Urr asking a comments forum for a sensible answer is unlikely to happen
You should really stick with the same one as it produces the exact same shape of protein that the antibodies react against.
Unknown, no one will have trialled that. It's possible since they are all achieving the same ends, training the body to attack the spike protein. But why chance it.
Rather than demanding to switch to alternative vaccines, why not just take your place in the queue to follow the vaccination programme in the interests of the overall public health benefit and (if approved) the delivery of the biggest vaccination programme ever. In theory cocktails of vaccines would offer some protection but the effectiveness of these are not yet known.
Valid point, but I would be surprised if mixing different vaccines would actually occur, and certainly not if there was no safety data for such a strategy
You'll get the same one again. The NHS will know which one you had the first time round so will give you the required dosage of the second dose with out any problem.
The Oxford vaccine accidently discovered that a half dose followed by a full dose gave 90% immunity. I wonder whether two half doses could do the same or even create higher immunity still. If this were the case it would release more of the vaccine for global use and reduce the reaction caused from the vaccination
Qantas has announced it will only carry those who are vaccinated - good news
Qantas has announced it will only carry those who are vaccinated - good news
Just a thought from a layman in medical matters....if you start with the first jab with one of the 3 vaccines...after 28 days do you have to continue with that one or can you use one of the others available..in other words can they be mixed together safely??
No, you *never* get 100%. You get more data by giving it to more people. MHRA will monitor adverse events as they always do for all medicines.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8971669/What-DONT-tell-Covid-facts-twisted-strike-fear-hearts.html
There's a start, Im starting to think you just can't be bothered
There's a start, Im starting to think you just can't be bothered