Fans to be allowed at outdoor sports
23/11/2020 | sport | other | 1,634
Up to 4,000 fans will be allowed at outdoor events in the lowest-risk areas when the four-week national lockdown in England ends.
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Bob
23/11/2020 15:28:52 3 5
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You've got no fans!
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rob
23/11/2020 15:29:01 1 1
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great enjoy i wont be bothering
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23/11/2020 15:29:38 8 23
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Wonderful to finally see some common sense and the country starting to go back to a form of normality!
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23/11/2020 15:29:56 3 1
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No fans for teams up north then.
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23/11/2020 16:27:35 0 2
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Could be claimed unfair advantage if there are home fans at return leg because they're in a lower tier.
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23/11/2020 15:30:00 3 4
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Can I play golf ?????? on Dec 2 ?
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Bob
23/11/2020 15:32:26 4 1
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You couldn't play golf anyway pal
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23/11/2020 15:34:24 4 1
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I don't know, could you play before?
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23/11/2020 15:30:26 8 6
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Ahhh, see the football lobby have made their move. Watch out for the ticket touts.
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23/11/2020 16:04:06 2 1
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Aston Villa have made people upload pictures to their online ticket account.
Anybody in possession of an illegally obtained ticket will have it cancelled.
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23/11/2020 15:30:29 514 88
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Would Man U have enough local fans to sell 4000 tickets to?
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23/11/2020 15:32:36 117 169
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We have more stewards than your lot has fans at each match.
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Bob
23/11/2020 15:34:29 20 5
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It's a classic. But don't let facts get in the way of the joke.
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23/11/2020 15:38:55 16 9
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highest attendance in the premier league since 1993.

Good comment though
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23/11/2020 15:42:24 17 20
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Shock. Some fans of a football club don't live on the same street as the stadium.

What is this, the 1970's?
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23/11/2020 15:50:37 17 44
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FFS BBC BIN THESE CHILDISH COMMENTS. I don't support MUFC but you would expect a slight amount of intelligence on these HYS boards
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23/11/2020 15:54:45 2 1
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nor would you
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Tom
23/11/2020 15:56:37 9 3
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What an original gag.

Look forward to the 'City won't be able to sell out theirs' or 'Arsenal already sell out the local library' etc etc

top banter lads ??
I think your getting Manchester United and Liverpool fans mixed up. Not your fault. Removed
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stu
23/11/2020 16:12:14 6 2
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I love how upset people get when you suggest one set off ball-kickers is better or worse than another set of ball-kickers.. like really does it matter

apparently, yes

hilarious
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23/11/2020 16:13:13 2 5
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How many Liverpool fans are there actually in Liverpool or arsenal or Chelsea fans from London or city fans from Manchester? ??
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23/11/2020 16:17:35 5 4
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If they put a travel ban on anyone coming from the south of England or Northern Ireland to see a Manchester United match then they'd struggle to meet the 4000!
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23/11/2020 16:23:55 3 4
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Good one. Guessing you've never been to OT yourself - if you had, and you were good at identifying accents, you'd know that the vast majority of fans are Mancs!
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23/11/2020 16:27:47 4 1
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Yes, Man United even has fans on the International Space Station! Pretty soon, Man United will have Martian fans too!
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IJB
23/11/2020 16:32:39 1 1
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Obviously not ??????
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23/11/2020 16:35:34 1 2
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No??
779
23/11/2020 17:10:48 3 2
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That old chestnut.
Cheap jibe from a fan who doesn't know Manchester. Typically ignorant and very funny it seems.You are a clown
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23/11/2020 17:11:55 2 3
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Sad Liverpool fan
786
23/11/2020 17:12:13 1 2
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stewards from london lol ????????
787
23/11/2020 17:12:20 2 2
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Love it
789
23/11/2020 17:12:37 2 3
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I think you mean livarpool who's fans are mostly Scandinavian
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23/11/2020 15:30:43 207 40
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No reason why not in outdoor stadiums - properly socially distanced events will be safer than supermarkets
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23/11/2020 15:34:52 184 46
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I can't see football crowds staying socially distanced for much longer than say 30 seconds
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rob
23/11/2020 15:37:10 2 3
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4000 socially distanced to get into a ground will cause a long queue
seems to be just talk of football on here although report says outdoor events i didnt just look at the picture
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23/11/2020 15:56:09 11 5
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Only the seats are outside.
Turnstiles, bar, food, toilets, access are all indoors.
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23/11/2020 16:18:03 2 2
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The issue is not inside the ground, it’ll be outside it.
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23/11/2020 16:44:31 0 1
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Until the half time toilet break
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23/11/2020 17:30:19 3 1
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Until 4000 people jump on the same trains and buses home with all the other tens of thousands oikball and sports fans!!

It’s not bloody hard to comprehend this unnecessary risk!!! Jesus, give me strength
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23/11/2020 18:04:58 0 1
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It is not within the facility itself for the actual event, but rather the arrival and departure of people attending. Bottle necks will be caused as they are not designed to cope with social distancing. It has already been discussed about staggered arrivals and departures, but fans seem to be against this which is a major problem getting them to keep to arrival times etc.
23/11/2020 21:12:27 0 1
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But what about the bars and pubs where people congregate on match day?
24/11/2020 06:09:59 0 1
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Because people meet in the pub in large numbers to get bladdered before going shopping!
Think before you type love!!!!
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23/11/2020 15:30:45 4 2
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Lets see what tier London ends up in...
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23/11/2020 15:34:00 1 2
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or Cheltenham, Ascot and Epsom, more to the point.
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23/11/2020 15:30:50 6 18
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First good thing Johnson has done - horrid man!
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23/11/2020 15:33:19 5 5
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Horrid?? Been reading nursery rhymes again?
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23/11/2020 15:30:56 279 106
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Seriously, it's safe for up to 4,000 people to meet for a sports event? I think I give up.
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23/11/2020 15:33:37 173 265
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Yep! Should never have been stopped in the first place.
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23/11/2020 15:34:01 14 34
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Typically inept decision.
25% of capacity would be a more sensible approach. With Crowd Exit carefully managed.
There's no risk outside for goodness sake, irrespective of what tier you're in.
No doubt you'll be told to wear a mask. Again Mad.
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23/11/2020 15:35:03 31 12
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Safer for 4,000 fans in an outdoor stadium than 4,000 shoppers inside a supermarket.
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23/11/2020 15:40:18 11 6
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I don't think it sounds all that risky. 4,000 people knocking around a stadium built to hold 55/60k; less than 10% capacity...
Surely far safer than the supermarket!

It's a maximum limit - so I imagine it based on capacity or some type of seating arrangement.
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23/11/2020 16:17:10 8 3
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Plenty of fans in American soccer stadiums, the country with the most covid deaths.
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23/11/2020 16:32:30 4 4
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Couldn't agree with you more. We're going from lockdown to opening up virtually everything and probably more mixing over Xmas then we will be back in lockdown and cases will rise. Absolutely stupid
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23/11/2020 16:43:31 3 1
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So do you think it's safer for 4000 people to be allowed to trawl around indoors at a shopping centre like Meadowhall, but not be outside watching sport????
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23/11/2020 16:48:45 3 1
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Give up then. If you cant possibly see how this can be made safe you may as well never leave your house again.
23/11/2020 18:29:36 0 1
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Indeed. That might well be spaced out when in the stands, but what about entry and exit? Asking for trouble especially when there is a vaccine round the corner.
23/11/2020 22:09:09 0 1
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Apparently it’s good for the R number.........
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23/11/2020 15:30:57 1 2
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what times kick off?
what time can you make it?
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23/11/2020 15:31:08 4 3
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That'll be the entire fan base of Ipswich Town FC
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23/11/2020 15:31:18 3 5
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So some clubs get circa 75% of their remaining home games with fans, enjoying home advantage, while some get zero fans and no home advantage for them..... seems fair... oh wait, competition consistency is out the window. Again.
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23/11/2020 15:31:19 1 2
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Is that all you take away?
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23/11/2020 15:31:23 8 5
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That's Liverpool out then
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23/11/2020 15:31:38 169 62
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And Football then takes over from pubs & schools for best community transmission, well done. i'm sure it has nothing to do with money, it all about the sport right?
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23/11/2020 15:50:49 84 82
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You're at sod all risk of getting the virus outside unless the stadium is absolutely rammed. Which in most of these instances it won't be.
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23/11/2020 16:48:43 1 4
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Pubs was/is much lower than schools
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23/11/2020 17:50:40 0 6
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Not sure what pubs you go to but most are run by respectful landlords and punters in the main are mostly well behaved.

Probably got more chance of catching something in an office, factory etc..... don't believe everything you read or hear via the biased media.
24/11/2020 09:12:20 0 1
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No problem-you just don't go to a match then-simples!
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23/11/2020 15:31:40 10 7
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I assume it will be with appropriate distancing rather than 4,000 fans crammed into a 4,000 seat venue ?
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23/11/2020 15:53:00 3 1
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That what a maximum of implies
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23/11/2020 16:02:22 0 1
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Exactly. How many people who might not normally support a local club will go along "because they can" and all of a sudden you get 4000 people trying to cram into Welling United!
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23/11/2020 15:31:45 74 4
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Fans allowed but most of country in tier 3 so won't be happening
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23/11/2020 16:32:35 20 3
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I think your correct
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23/11/2020 16:46:19 0 9
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'they' will relocate the games to clean areas. citizens without immunity will live outside of these areas. the elite will now have a fully functioning society while the infected will carry on living in the north.
23/11/2020 18:26:00 0 1
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Good
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23/11/2020 15:31:47 0 3
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????????????????????????
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kjs
23/11/2020 15:31:58 1 5
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Var United fans have contested fans returning and want at least another year before returning to Old Trafford.
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23/11/2020 15:32:08 334 138
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This is stupid with a vaccine just around the corner at least wait until the new year when most of the at risk people have had a vaccine!
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23/11/2020 15:42:15 231 487
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Not everyone has been brainwashed by the mainstream news sorry Simon. It's about time people started getting back to normal it's embarrassing how dumb the population is
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23/11/2020 16:01:08 16 5
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Classic over dramatisation of what seems to be a sensible approach to getting some fan's back watching football.
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23/11/2020 16:40:04 0 3
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My wife made a very good point about the vaccination being given to the over 80’s first
If u think about it carefully,, if it goes pete tong, it’s the over 80’s that will cop it first
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23/11/2020 16:46:58 0 2
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Whats the difference of being 2 metres apart outdoors anywhere and being 2 metres apart outdoors in a stadium?
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23/11/2020 15:32:10 1 3
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What has happened to Tier 1? Is there something we're not being told?
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23/11/2020 15:32:19 0 2
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There'll be more than 4,000 fans at the Chinese New Year....
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23/11/2020 15:32:25 129 32
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should be a percentage of the stadium capacity. 4000 at one is loads, 4000 at another is nothing.
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23/11/2020 15:38:13 154 7
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Not so sure. If you had 10% at Arsenal for example (6,000 fans), we would all be meeting each other at the local rail station. Stadium size should not be the sole determining factor for number of fans.
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JR
23/11/2020 16:13:51 5 1
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Maximum of 4,000
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23/11/2020 17:40:10 1 6
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Agreed. Clearly the limit should relate to the capacity. That is not even a bit difficult to work out. My club ( Spurs ) has a 60k capacity, so 4000 is absolutely nothing. At, say Barking f.c ( no offence to them ) 4000 would be too many.
Come on Boris, use your brain mate.
Too many comments on here from people who can't read.

It's up to 4,000 or 50% of capacity and less in the higher tiers.

To many morons commenting about it being a blanket approach when it isn't.
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24/11/2020 08:40:20 0 1
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It is. 50% of capacity or 4000. Which ever is smaller
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23/11/2020 15:30:00 3 4
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Can I play golf ?????? on Dec 2 ?
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Bob
23/11/2020 15:32:26 4 1
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You couldn't play golf anyway pal
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23/11/2020 15:32:31 18 3
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If clubs and fans are careful about social distancing, as in my experience they are, this seems OK

Non-league football clubs cannot go
on without gate money and no doubt other sports are the same

4,000 people going to a big match at a stadium seems more risky. Although there is more space in the stands, there are designed “pinch points” everyone has to go through
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23/11/2020 15:32:34 8 8
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Let's all have a moan about the ridiculously irresponsible / over-cautious measures which are way too soon / too little too late.

Delete as appropriate.
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23/11/2020 15:30:29 514 88
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Would Man U have enough local fans to sell 4000 tickets to?
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23/11/2020 15:32:36 117 169
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We have more stewards than your lot has fans at each match.
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23/11/2020 15:38:14 12 11
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Now you know that's not true!
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23/11/2020 16:01:03 9 2
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Stewards or bouncers? The latter being more likely.
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23/11/2020 16:21:37 5 4
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That's cos united fans are the worst in the country
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23/11/2020 16:26:02 1 1
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Nice reply
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SUE
23/11/2020 16:39:14 1 2
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but they don't live anywhere manchester
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23/11/2020 15:32:38 1 5
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I think I’ve just broken last game I went to was 8th March this is a Christmas Present
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23/11/2020 15:32:50 3 5
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But we aren't allowed at live music events ??
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23/11/2020 15:37:27 0 1
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Exactly, hurry up and get Rammstein here !
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23/11/2020 15:37:51 0 1
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Yes you are..... Even Liverpool Arena 18/19 December..
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23/11/2020 15:32:51 652 66
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Surely it should be a percentage of the stadium's capacity rather than a blanket 4000.
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23/11/2020 15:35:09 128 25
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agreed
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23/11/2020 15:37:45 6 11
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Toyally agree!
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23/11/2020 15:40:23 35 4
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4K at a Premiership ground is completely different to 4K my local EFL team
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23/11/2020 15:42:54 63 2
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I think the concern will be around squeezing fans into public transportation to and from the stadium. That might explain the 4,000 caps. Also, there is surely a requirement for social distancing inside the stadiums, so many will not be able to have that number attend.
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23/11/2020 15:46:36 39 2
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Are we sure its a flat cap. The article does say "up to"
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23/11/2020 15:50:11 21 2
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I was at one of the pilot games in September and there were something like 500-600 there, even though the stadium was passed to hold just over 1000. It felt safer than going to work or round the shops, but that might have been more down to the attitude of all concerned than anything else.
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23/11/2020 15:57:04 31 2
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It's more to do with how people get to the ground rather than what happens when they are there
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23/11/2020 15:58:03 7 7
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Indeed. 4000 at a ground with 10000 capacity is a very different prospect to 4000 at Wembley
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23/11/2020 15:59:29 22 50
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Stop making sense.... :-). Of course..... so 4,000 at a 4,000 seater or 4,000 at Wembley? The old one size fits all solution again from this government,,,, hopeless...
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23/11/2020 16:02:42 28 10
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4000 people allowed at football, all of man citys fans will be able to go to their games again soon.
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23/11/2020 16:04:45 5 1
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It says upto 4000 so one would assume everyone has to put a case forward on the safeguarding of fans
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23/11/2020 16:04:54 5 8
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Yes when I think about social distancing Spurs Stadium can probably social distance at 20,000 whilst Turf Moor would struggle to take 4000. So maybe a better allowance would be as many fans as you can whilst keeping the distance.
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23/11/2020 16:04:56 3 3
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Perhaps as much to do with numbers near the stadium pre and post-match.
But in lower leagues many grounds have capacity under about 10,000.
Mebbe details will shortly be fleshed-out case-by-case?
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23/11/2020 16:05:52 13 1
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From what I have seen, this story only gives some of the details. 4,000 is the maximum or 50% of the ground capacity, depending on which is the lowest. So, for example, Old Trafford would be 4,000.
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23/11/2020 16:10:26 0 1
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it is a percentage of the minimum capacity for those levels - the same as that at National level since August/September
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23/11/2020 16:11:55 0 2
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Good suggestion that would make sense.
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23/11/2020 16:14:24 2 5
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Sadly, common sense doesn't seem to come into it.
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23/11/2020 16:17:05 3 1
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Logistically it's a challenge. Inside the stadium all sat down is fine, but leaving en masse at full time is where it's an issue. Getting home after leaving the Emirates for example is a nightmare. Huge queues at the stations, narrow streets. We'd be straight back into lockdown
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Jim
23/11/2020 16:20:55 4 2
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It's likely not based on stadium size, but based on how many people they want spilling out into the streets at the same time.
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23/11/2020 16:21:32 0 5
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yes it should be a % PLUS staggered arrival and seat "boarding" perfectly possible. Risk assess by the venue, Spurs stadium can take more due to its design and band fans arrangements. Lets face even footy fans will be sensible as missed it so much!!
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23/11/2020 16:27:27 0 2
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I would have thought 10% of the capacity or 4000 whichever is the lower.
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23/11/2020 16:28:37 6 1
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it's 4000 or 50% capacity....whichever is lower
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23/11/2020 16:33:56 5 1
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It's 4000 or 50% capacity, whichever is lower.
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23/11/2020 16:36:07 0 4
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My first thought too
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23/11/2020 16:40:06 0 4
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That idea would be far too simple.....
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23/11/2020 16:43:58 4 1
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Some sports commentator was expressing this opinion too, not realising that the problem is the 'turnstiles' where fans will bunch up, both entering and leaving the stadiums. No matter how disciplined, fans will still infringe the social distancing rule at the gates.
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23/11/2020 16:44:33 0 6
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Bongerman for PM. Shows more sense that bongo, bongo man.
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23/11/2020 16:55:51 4 1
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Well yes perhaps but let's not forget the bigger the numbers of people attending the potential for larger crowds travelling in general and particularly on public transport which could mean less social distancing etc so the risk of infection increases etc.
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23/11/2020 16:56:53 5 1
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Think it’s not about stadium capacity but more about safety travelling to and around the area.
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23/11/2020 16:59:27 3 1
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It's 50% of capacity up to 4,000.
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23/11/2020 17:19:48 1 1
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Idiot
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23/11/2020 17:23:15 1 1
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not really. 4000 would help league 1 and 2 clubs. PL clubs dont need the same level of financial assistance as they can get it from TV revenue. Lower league clubs need fans to return.
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23/11/2020 17:31:18 4 1
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It is not just about in the stadium it is about not flooding the transport system getting to and from the game.
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23/11/2020 17:31:33 2 1
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4000 trying to get on a tram at once is enough.
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23/11/2020 17:32:40 0 5
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Maths and statistics aren't this governments strong point.
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23/11/2020 17:57:25 3 1
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Its not just what the stadia can hold its also about what strains are put on local transport and infrastructure.
955
23/11/2020 17:58:31 0 4
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You'd think so, but when has logic and science ever mattered to this government.
They want to seen doing things, irrespective of whether they're the right things!
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23/11/2020 18:02:14 3 1
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No. It has been shown that the more people at the event can cause issues when arriving or leaving the venue due to potential bottle necks. Stadiums are not designed to be able to social distance people in large numbers and it will be a stretch for people to arrive early enough or wait longer to leave.
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23/11/2020 15:32:53 2 10
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Stadiums should be half capacity, 4000 fans is a waste of time and a token gesture.
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23/11/2020 15:37:04 1 3
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Why stop at half capacity? Might as well spread it to as many people as possible if going to advocate super spreader events. Or we could listen to science and not unqualified members of the public.
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23/11/2020 15:32:57 484 27
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Let's get out there and start supporting our local teams. The prem league has become a bloated mess of big money, advertising and ridiculous new rules that are choking the enjoyment of watching the top leagues. Let's get back to grassroots and have fun watching the game we love again.
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23/11/2020 15:51:17 304 279
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I've a better idea, how about NOT having fans back till after a vaccine, although all morons will probably disagree
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23/11/2020 15:51:19 27 8
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Absolutely - I went to a couple of the early FA Cup games around my area They were well supported. I managed to attend 6 games before the most recent suspension of fans and used the track and trace at each one and guess what - I heard nothing which means there was no positive cases. I will be the first in the queue for a ticket as it is clearly safe to do so
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KRR
23/11/2020 16:24:46 23 5
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You're absolutely right, of course, but all semi-pro teams (like the one I support) are also still without fans. It's probably better and safer, but once the vaccine kicks in, and we can go to football, I hope people heed your advice.

The BBC's football pages will, however, still be written for pub-viewing Premiership supporters who have never been to a game, ever.
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23/11/2020 16:25:29 6 29
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Fun watching terrible sport? No thanks.
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23/11/2020 16:31:21 1 2
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Sorry, I only support one team so that's where I'll be going should I be fortunate to get a ticket in the ballot. Got no real interest in watching other teams.
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23/11/2020 16:32:51 3 1
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Yep, thats my plan. The PL has shown it doesn't need fans to survive. The smaller clubs. The ones who are actually part of the community need support
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23/11/2020 17:09:37 1 2
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Keep a sense of proportion! We are talking about spectator sports which really do not matter very much. The purpose of sport is just to keep you fit for more important things.
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23/11/2020 17:17:30 1 1
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I have more fun watching my young lad play football, meet the other parents, have a laugh, all for free.
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23/11/2020 17:42:08 0 3
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Plus local lads have no chance of making it as foreign imports halt any chance of them breaking through.
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23/11/2020 18:03:14 0 1
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It is all of professional football who have to follow the rules within football even without the pandemic.
Well said sir
23/11/2020 18:42:01 1 1
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I could have my local drama club perform in my back garden, but I'd still turn on Netflix. Local doesn't mean its worth watching
23/11/2020 21:30:19 0 1
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Well said sir.
This constant changing of rules, VAR and prima donna players are distancing the Premier league from us normal fans.
I've had enough of it.
I enjoy popping along to support my local team (Kings Lynn Town) much more and am looking forward to returning when restrictions allow.
23/11/2020 23:15:54 1 1
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My local team is in the premiership .... thank god
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23/11/2020 15:32:58 0 2
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Another idea that is doomed to failure...!!! How can this work with different lockdown levels...???

The government clearly have no idea on how to handle this pandemic....!!!
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23/11/2020 15:32:58 11 11
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Complete and utter joke. Absolutely clueless.
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23/11/2020 15:33:07 78 25
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Hmmm, so home fans in one part of the country will help push their team on to victory, while in a covid affected areas away teams will get a free pass with zero home support? Sounds fair.
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23/11/2020 15:37:49 66 7
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I don't think you are considering the logistics. It isn't just about distancing in the stadium, it is about the potential close contact when you have a sudden large amount of commuters travelling to the same location, using the same trains and buses and pathways. The more cases there are in higher tier areas, the easier it is to spread amongst the commuters.
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23/11/2020 15:39:59 3 1
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Interesting comment maybe this is the encouragement some areas need to do better with SD etc
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23/11/2020 17:23:16 2 1
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Unless the sound of fans munching on prawn sandwiches counts as encouragement to the players, it wont make much difference to the premier league.

Do you honestly think the bug club will give tickets to the ordinary fans?

Until the limit is raised in the spring (hopefully) it will be the spectators in the expensive seats not the fans. (Club level at Arsenal holds 7.5k)
23/11/2020 18:27:26 1 3
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Who cares cancel the season. In fact bin the money orientated sport
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23/11/2020 15:33:08 4 9
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Even a few thousand fans will massively improve the viewing experience. Still too low and hope it gets reviewed upwards quickly.
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23/11/2020 15:30:50 6 18
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First good thing Johnson has done - horrid man!
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23/11/2020 15:33:19 5 5
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Horrid?? Been reading nursery rhymes again?
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23/11/2020 15:37:06 5 5
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Strange comment! I for one don't personally love proroguing parliament, saving jobs of bullies, giving contracts to rich mates and casual racism but you do you!
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23/11/2020 15:33:19 116 14
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So you are going to allow crowds at sports venues, open pubs later, open shops and gyms, but there's talk about restricting the Christmas get together from 23rd-27th December ? What about running through the week from 25th Dec-1st Jan ? Crazy set of rules and a lot of dual standards. I was at a garden centre yesterday. You could get anything that the little shops could sell but they are banned.
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23/11/2020 16:05:11 19 12
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pubs will not open later, who is going to pay staff when the tills are shut no money coming in?
23/11/2020 18:28:36 0 2
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That's a good point - why are garden centres allowed to be open? Non essential items on sale and frequented by old people? Shouldn't be allowed, for their own good.
23/11/2020 20:12:31 0 1
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You're right mate the entire thing is a bloody shambles!
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23/11/2020 15:33:24 11 8
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Man City may struggle filling that...
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23/11/2020 15:35:48 5 3
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Boring
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23/11/2020 15:33:29 10 9
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WOW. So man city would effectively be allowed their entire fan inside the Etihad. That's very unfair on other clubs.
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23/11/2020 15:35:28 3 3
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Boring
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23/11/2020 15:30:56 279 106
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Seriously, it's safe for up to 4,000 people to meet for a sports event? I think I give up.
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23/11/2020 15:33:37 173 265
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Yep! Should never have been stopped in the first place.
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23/11/2020 15:59:50 2 1
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Are you joking?
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23/11/2020 17:08:06 2 4
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Yup. It’s all safe outside to watch your beloved oikball..... until you have to get there and back on a crowded bus, train or tube of course.

Thank the lord you aren’t allowed to make lofty decisions, we’d all be screwed!
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23/11/2020 17:37:20 1 1
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If I have got my calculations right, that's about one fan to every 15 seats at Spurs. Come on, you could lay down and still not be anywhere near the next person. much less two metres. Also, let's realistic with entering / exiting. How difficult would it be to get 4000 fans from the station to the stadium and back, much less given a large portion of these will drive anyway.
908
23/11/2020 17:42:04 0 1
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Assuming that AFCB means AFC Bournemouth, can your place actually hold 4000? Covid is for Christmas, football banter is for life.
23/11/2020 19:18:19 0 1
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Why? The virus would have spread quicker. What the hell's wrong with you.
23/11/2020 21:53:24 0 1
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Scamdemic.
24/11/2020 08:40:38 0 1
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Oh you are so so wrong there.
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23/11/2020 15:33:58 1 1
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Just don't see it working. All seater grounds fine to maintain SD but no control of fans to and from games. My experience of non league is that Clubs do their best to emphasise Covid regulations but cannot enforce SD once fans inside if they decide to congregate. I really hope it works but unsure whether it will.
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23/11/2020 15:30:45 4 2
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Lets see what tier London ends up in...
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23/11/2020 15:34:00 1 2
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or Cheltenham, Ascot and Epsom, more to the point.
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23/11/2020 15:30:56 279 106
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Seriously, it's safe for up to 4,000 people to meet for a sports event? I think I give up.
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23/11/2020 15:34:01 14 34
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Typically inept decision.
25% of capacity would be a more sensible approach. With Crowd Exit carefully managed.
There's no risk outside for goodness sake, irrespective of what tier you're in.
No doubt you'll be told to wear a mask. Again Mad.
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23/11/2020 15:54:17 1 3
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Getting to my usual seat isn’t just a case of being outside though.
There’s an absolutely huge concourse to get through. That stand probably can hold a thousand with distancing though.
The one at the other end of the ground probably couldn’t handle 200 with distancing in place. The concourse in the upper tier is way too small.
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23/11/2020 17:06:11 1 5
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Are you sure there is no risk? Difference between 4000 people shopping and 4000 at a football match is the people at the football match are usually singing and shouting so lots of spit and saliva emitted. Okay it’s outside which is safer but why take any risk and I speak as a season ticket holder.
Vaccines seem close so why not wait?
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23/11/2020 15:30:00 3 4
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Can I play golf ?????? on Dec 2 ?
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23/11/2020 15:34:24 4 1
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I don't know, could you play before?
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23/11/2020 15:30:29 514 88
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Would Man U have enough local fans to sell 4000 tickets to?
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Bob
23/11/2020 15:34:29 20 5
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It's a classic. But don't let facts get in the way of the joke.
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23/11/2020 15:38:55 13 8
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It's a bit of banter Bob, that's all!
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23/11/2020 15:34:29 0 1
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Nice one ????
51
23/11/2020 15:34:36 4 3
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Well I hope the people in the towns who were out denying Covid will be sorry that their local team can't have fans - I doubt it!!
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23/11/2020 15:34:37 66 5
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The way we are playing ( Newcastle) we will struggle to get 4,000 fans
It is mind boggling rubbish we are playing
549
23/11/2020 16:30:57 20 8
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Steve Bruce is causing more mental health issues tin the north east than the lockdown.

We saw the light a couple of years ago and cabbaged him.

UTV
880
23/11/2020 17:34:30 1 0
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Get away! You are the most loyal fans in the world and the 250k on the waiting list will step forward to take their places. You give us plenty of stick for averaging only 32k in the 3rd division, on the back of years and years of misery,
(including 365 days between home wins), so surely cannot be serious about jacking it in when you've got nowt to complain about. We wish we had your problems....
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23/11/2020 15:34:44 1 6
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Great! people can go and watch football and see scores like 1-0 and 0-1 or maybe 3-1 or even 0-0! You just never know with that game what it's going to be...
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23/11/2020 15:30:43 207 40
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No reason why not in outdoor stadiums - properly socially distanced events will be safer than supermarkets
54
23/11/2020 15:34:52 184 46
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I can't see football crowds staying socially distanced for much longer than say 30 seconds
79
23/11/2020 15:37:53 7 1
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It's working well in American football. (In the sense that people aren't breaking the rules.)
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23/11/2020 15:46:35 4 5
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It will be fine while they are in their seats but before, half time and after the game most these 4000 will want a beer.
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23/11/2020 15:57:54 5 4
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Then I suggest you try watching footage from everywhere else in the world where it has proven to be successful.
400
23/11/2020 16:15:06 0 1
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depends what the score is
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23/11/2020 16:41:36 0 1
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and especially not in the loos at half time
23/11/2020 19:19:09 0 1
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If they all wear masks.... but they won't.
24/11/2020 08:39:32 0 1
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They did in the trials. At Norwich there wasn't a single recorded transmission after our trial event
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23/11/2020 15:30:56 279 106
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Seriously, it's safe for up to 4,000 people to meet for a sports event? I think I give up.
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23/11/2020 15:35:03 31 12
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Safer for 4,000 fans in an outdoor stadium than 4,000 shoppers inside a supermarket.
80
23/11/2020 15:37:58 20 1
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4,000 shoppers in a supermarket??
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23/11/2020 15:47:27 16 7
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Difference is, you don't have to go to watch football but people do need essential groceries, even in a lockdown.
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23/11/2020 16:12:22 4 2
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How many supermarkets have 4000 people in them? The answer is none
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23/11/2020 16:43:56 0 1
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Or a big indoor shopping centre......
24/11/2020 00:37:07 1 1
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Wow. Going to debate the millimetres (or milliseconds) of additional safety? Whilst you have rapidly increasing spread, new cases and deaths (which is the case right now), NO large crowd gathering is safe. Full stop. Even in places with full PPE the virus still finds a way. Cruise ship restarts in Norway/US, with extreme new bio-security...still failed.
56
23/11/2020 15:35:06 3 5
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So the new stricter rules are actually more relaxed than the previous rules, where's the proof that Covid 19 is a public house/hospitality based virus.
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23/11/2020 15:44:31 0 0
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The proof? Answer: The R rate.
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23/11/2020 15:32:51 652 66
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Surely it should be a percentage of the stadium's capacity rather than a blanket 4000.
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23/11/2020 15:35:09 128 25
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agreed
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JR
23/11/2020 16:11:08 0 1
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Maximum of 4,000 - so it probably is
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23/11/2020 16:52:48 0 1
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So just 3, 500 tickets to sell for a Baggies match.
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23/11/2020 17:45:51 2 1
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its the queue to get in and out and the queue for the toilets at half time that presents a problem.
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23/11/2020 15:35:09 0 1
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There should be an age limit of 50 to be on safe side. Just an idea.
43
23/11/2020 15:33:29 10 9
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WOW. So man city would effectively be allowed their entire fan inside the Etihad. That's very unfair on other clubs.
59
23/11/2020 15:35:28 3 3
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Boring
60
23/11/2020 15:35:40 3 2
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best not to hurry this. Rugby Union got a mega bail out - football loaded. This should not be hurried....
83
23/11/2020 15:38:03 1 1
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The Rugby Premiership did, Championship got scraps as usual
61
23/11/2020 15:35:42 73 15
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So we go from low risk and 21 days later high risk and then Xmas and let’s meet. Lockdown 3 end Jan, here it comes. Get a grip.
562
23/11/2020 16:32:24 6 4
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Decisions are made of case numbers. You have to adapt
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23/11/2020 15:35:48 12 6
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AndrewMichael
15:33

Harsh lesson for those areas, follow the guidelines, get the rate down it's not rocket science.
758
23/11/2020 17:06:25 0 1
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Is there any recorded instance yet of an area being moved to a LOWER tier than the one they were in when the rate came down ?? Who trusts the government to do this ???
42
23/11/2020 15:33:24 11 8
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Man City may struggle filling that...
63
23/11/2020 15:35:48 5 3
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Boring
64
23/11/2020 15:36:00 34 29
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Why o why when hopefully a vacine will be out there. Surely sport can wait till spring. Is life that worthless people would sacrifice life for sport.
98
23/11/2020 15:39:35 26 25
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Oh for goodness sakes. More melodrama. Life is risk.
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23/11/2020 15:36:09 0 10
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Waste of money. Surely there’s no need for fans if it’s outdoors. Aircon indoors is all well and good...but outdoors? Madness!!!
186
23/11/2020 15:49:29 0 0
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Noone got a sense of humour on HYS?!
66
23/11/2020 15:36:09 5 4
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36,000 recently attended the rugby union match in Australia vs New Zealand

Am i missing something here
88
23/11/2020 15:38:25 6 2
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Not in the UK they didn't.
120
23/11/2020 15:41:44 3 1
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Yes. Them 2 Countries dint mess about and lockdown(ed) better than us..
129
23/11/2020 15:42:32 3 0
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In the last 7 days UK had 120,000 new cases-----Australia had 85. Maybe that's what you are missing?
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23/11/2020 15:42:49 4 1
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Yes, there governments both locked down, harder and longer than us without quibble, discussion or arguing. Then all flying in were quarantined in guarded hotels! When I say harder, they had to go to the nearest supermarket not the one they chose, they didn’t all go to the beach because they were closed! Get it!
135
23/11/2020 15:43:28 0 1
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your missing the location and the respective covid levels in that location compared to the UK.
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23/11/2020 15:51:09 0 0
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Yes, that was 8,000 miles away.....
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23/11/2020 16:05:20 0 0
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Notice their infection rates though. Both countries have been really strict and the people too.
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23/11/2020 15:36:22 3 7
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Whilst we await confirmation of the facts this sounds like a recipe for muddle and also possibly the worst case scenario for the most loyal fans. It has been bad enough watching games on TV played behind closed doors but to actually have to watch games with fans present when you are not there could be really heart breaking especially to those who are always normally present no matter what.
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Ray
23/11/2020 15:42:02 0 1
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I'm sure the clubs will treat season ticket holders equally. Miss week1 game and you're there for the next one if possible. Obviously at Prem League clubs you may have to wait for a few games before you can get it. Better that than nothing and the players will love to see (and hear) you!
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Bob
23/11/2020 15:36:58 8 5
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Lets be honest the only risk is fans piling into public transport.
154
23/11/2020 15:46:31 0 3
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Another reason why people should never use public transport !
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23/11/2020 15:59:00 0 1
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Or crowding concourses, surging forward maskless and chanting to celebrate a goal.
34
23/11/2020 15:32:53 2 10
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Stadiums should be half capacity, 4000 fans is a waste of time and a token gesture.
69
23/11/2020 15:37:04 1 3
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Why stop at half capacity? Might as well spread it to as many people as possible if going to advocate super spreader events. Or we could listen to science and not unqualified members of the public.
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23/11/2020 17:21:45 0 1
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I suppose you are the expert, 4000 is a waste of time, period.
40
23/11/2020 15:33:19 5 5
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Horrid?? Been reading nursery rhymes again?
70
23/11/2020 15:37:06 5 5
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Strange comment! I for one don't personally love proroguing parliament, saving jobs of bullies, giving contracts to rich mates and casual racism but you do you!
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23/11/2020 15:30:43 207 40
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No reason why not in outdoor stadiums - properly socially distanced events will be safer than supermarkets
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rob
23/11/2020 15:37:10 2 3
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4000 socially distanced to get into a ground will cause a long queue
seems to be just talk of football on here although report says outdoor events i didnt just look at the picture
72
23/11/2020 15:37:11 0 3
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Is that Boris way of tackling soccer hooliganism?
Both inside and outside the ground - and just in case some are hiding lets get the old ones in their own home
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23/11/2020 15:40:53 0 1
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Soccer obviously you know nothing
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23/11/2020 15:37:13 2 1
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Is that up to 4K fans as a percentage of the stadium? My local Rugby club is 3K, they going to be allowed a full house again? If not, not woeth them bothering as would lose money
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23/11/2020 15:41:10 0 1
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50% in other reports if they can not take 4000
32
23/11/2020 15:32:50 3 5
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But we aren't allowed at live music events ??
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23/11/2020 15:37:27 0 1
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Exactly, hurry up and get Rammstein here !
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23/11/2020 15:32:51 652 66
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Surely it should be a percentage of the stadium's capacity rather than a blanket 4000.
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23/11/2020 15:37:45 6 11
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Toyally agree!
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23/11/2020 15:33:07 78 25
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Hmmm, so home fans in one part of the country will help push their team on to victory, while in a covid affected areas away teams will get a free pass with zero home support? Sounds fair.
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23/11/2020 15:37:49 66 7
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I don't think you are considering the logistics. It isn't just about distancing in the stadium, it is about the potential close contact when you have a sudden large amount of commuters travelling to the same location, using the same trains and buses and pathways. The more cases there are in higher tier areas, the easier it is to spread amongst the commuters.
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23/11/2020 15:48:49 5 7
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outside of London there not that many fans who use public transport to get to home games
23/11/2020 19:22:00 0 3
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Again..... not thought through. Bojo responding to rebellion from his own libertarian MPs. Don't do it Bojo.
77
23/11/2020 15:37:51 2 1
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Just home fans I'm assuming.
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23/11/2020 15:32:50 3 5
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But we aren't allowed at live music events ??
78
23/11/2020 15:37:51 0 1
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Yes you are..... Even Liverpool Arena 18/19 December..
54
23/11/2020 15:34:52 184 46
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I can't see football crowds staying socially distanced for much longer than say 30 seconds
79
23/11/2020 15:37:53 7 1
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It's working well in American football. (In the sense that people aren't breaking the rules.)
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23/11/2020 15:35:03 31 12
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Safer for 4,000 fans in an outdoor stadium than 4,000 shoppers inside a supermarket.
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23/11/2020 15:37:58 20 1
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4,000 shoppers in a supermarket??
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-_-
23/11/2020 15:42:55 2 9
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Obviously not at the same time but over a day a supermarket may have that many people going in and out
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23/11/2020 16:45:12 1 1
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Maybe not, but what about 4,000 people in an indoor shopping centre like Meadowhall or the Trafford Centre......?????
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23/11/2020 15:38:01 1 1
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We are just double checking this comment.
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23/11/2020 15:38:02 1 1
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As expected this has deteriorated into a forum for footballists to slag each other off.
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23/11/2020 15:35:40 3 2
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best not to hurry this. Rugby Union got a mega bail out - football loaded. This should not be hurried....
83
23/11/2020 15:38:03 1 1
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The Rugby Premiership did, Championship got scraps as usual
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23/11/2020 15:38:10 7 15
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Great....more chances to spread the virus...

Then get in the pub after the match & spread it some more!!!

Real clever thinking....
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23/11/2020 15:40:06 0 1
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So by your logic we shouldnt be going anywhere
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23/11/2020 15:32:25 129 32
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should be a percentage of the stadium capacity. 4000 at one is loads, 4000 at another is nothing.
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23/11/2020 15:38:13 154 7
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Not so sure. If you had 10% at Arsenal for example (6,000 fans), we would all be meeting each other at the local rail station. Stadium size should not be the sole determining factor for number of fans.
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23/11/2020 15:46:46 8 3
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Exactly.
I live inbetween Wembley Park station and the stadium.
I would be impossible to even get 10,000 people in and out of the stadium socially distanced.
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eie
23/11/2020 16:06:43 1 3
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Also going to be loads in pubs near grounds unless they close within 2 mile radius
23/11/2020 18:25:53 0 2
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That's much too sensible. This is HYS, where the knee jerk reaction rules.
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23/11/2020 15:32:36 117 169
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We have more stewards than your lot has fans at each match.
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23/11/2020 15:38:14 12 11
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Now you know that's not true!
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23/11/2020 16:57:53 1 2
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It is! The NY Times, France24, DW, Boston Globe, Beijing Daily, Ruskie Rouble all called it.
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23/11/2020 15:38:24 8 7
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Total joke, the government is a joke, this makes no sense
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23/11/2020 15:36:09 5 4
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36,000 recently attended the rugby union match in Australia vs New Zealand

Am i missing something here
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23/11/2020 15:38:25 6 2
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Not in the UK they didn't.
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23/11/2020 15:38:36 1 2
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Without tourists allowed in UK, Chelski and Manc Utd will struggle to find 4,000 locals..
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Bob
23/11/2020 15:34:29 20 5
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It's a classic. But don't let facts get in the way of the joke.
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23/11/2020 15:38:55 13 8
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It's a bit of banter Bob, that's all!
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23/11/2020 16:09:01 5 9
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It's "shanter", cause it's not clever or funny, just a crowd pleaser to get those upvotes. Man Utd have more demand than supply- it's hard to get a ticket if you live outside Manchester.
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23/11/2020 15:30:29 514 88
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Would Man U have enough local fans to sell 4000 tickets to?
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23/11/2020 15:38:55 16 9
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highest attendance in the premier league since 1993.

Good comment though
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23/11/2020 15:41:50 34 10
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Having the biggest stadium capacity helps, and I was actually talking about "local fans"
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23/11/2020 16:24:10 1 2
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Record premier league attendance 81898
Spurs v man utd at Wembley .
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BV
23/11/2020 15:39:02 0 1
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So everyone will travel from High Risk areas to lower risk areas, Brilliant Just Brilliant.... here we go again feel a lockdown end of Jan for a few months
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23/11/2020 15:39:22 0 1
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At last normality getting stored. Football under Covid has effectivley neutralised home advantage. I guess thats one of the reasons why tier 2/3 (Villa) are doing better than expected.
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23/11/2020 15:39:24 0 1
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no fans allowed in three tiers thats about half of the country at the moment cant see mp voting for it and if they did how long would it be for
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23/11/2020 15:46:42 0 0
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have to agree. Tier 3 is no mixing apart 6 in a park, tier 2 slightly better, neither is 4000 people travelling to a venue and all leaving at the same time. Tier 3 also suggests / advises no travel in and out of a high ranked area?
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23/11/2020 15:39:28 0 1
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so 4000 to pack into a smaller clubs stadium will def help the smaller clubs financially. you kinda wonder about social distancing logic a bit tho. maybe if everyone shouts obscenities into their masks a) no one will get infected & b) no one will be able to figure out who was yelling them.

the big clubs can auction their seats...should make a fortune.
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23/11/2020 15:39:31 0 1
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We're just double checking this comment.
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23/11/2020 15:39:35 2 2
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Wow have been waiting a while for this . The Northern Ireland game was great on tv just because a thousand were allowed in. It makes all the difference . As I'm ex vulnerable Fratton park may still be a little while longer for me but it will be great to hear a crowd again and will go e the club's a welcome boost.
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23/11/2020 15:36:00 34 29
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Why o why when hopefully a vacine will be out there. Surely sport can wait till spring. Is life that worthless people would sacrifice life for sport.
98
23/11/2020 15:39:35 26 25
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Oh for goodness sakes. More melodrama. Life is risk.
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23/11/2020 16:59:47 2 3
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I take it your one of the rule breakers that keeps the country in lockdown.
23/11/2020 18:48:18 1 1
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How young and healthy are you then haggis!
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23/11/2020 15:39:51 4 1
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If nothing else at least the thought of being able to watch live Footie or Rugby might make a few more people social distance and wear masks..

Still is issue with getting 4000 people into and away from stadiums on socially distanced public transport, like to know how they're going to solve that one.
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23/11/2020 15:53:34 2 1
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Naivety at its best
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23/11/2020 15:33:07 78 25
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Hmmm, so home fans in one part of the country will help push their team on to victory, while in a covid affected areas away teams will get a free pass with zero home support? Sounds fair.
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23/11/2020 15:39:59 3 1
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Interesting comment maybe this is the encouragement some areas need to do better with SD etc