Fans to be allowed at outdoor sports
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Up to 4,000 fans will be allowed at outdoor events in the lowest-risk areas when the four-week national lockdown in England ends.
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23/11/2020 15:28:52
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You've got no fans!
Could be claimed unfair advantage if there are home fans at return leg because they're in a lower tier.
Can I play golf ?????? on Dec 2 ?
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Ahhh, see the football lobby have made their move. Watch out for the ticket touts.
Would Man U have enough local fans to sell 4000 tickets to?
We have more stewards than your lot has fans at each match.
highest attendance in the premier league since 1993.
Good comment though
Good comment though
Shock. Some fans of a football club don't live on the same street as the stadium.
What is this, the 1970's?
What is this, the 1970's?
FFS BBC BIN THESE CHILDISH COMMENTS. I don't support MUFC but you would expect a slight amount of intelligence on these HYS boards
What an original gag.
Look forward to the 'City won't be able to sell out theirs' or 'Arsenal already sell out the local library' etc etc
top banter lads ??
Look forward to the 'City won't be able to sell out theirs' or 'Arsenal already sell out the local library' etc etc
top banter lads ??
I think your getting Manchester United and Liverpool fans mixed up. Not your fault.
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I love how upset people get when you suggest one set off ball-kickers is better or worse than another set of ball-kickers.. like really does it matter
apparently, yes
hilarious
apparently, yes
hilarious
How many Liverpool fans are there actually in Liverpool or arsenal or Chelsea fans from London or city fans from Manchester? ??
If they put a travel ban on anyone coming from the south of England or Northern Ireland to see a Manchester United match then they'd struggle to meet the 4000!
Good one. Guessing you've never been to OT yourself - if you had, and you were good at identifying accents, you'd know that the vast majority of fans are Mancs!
Yes, Man United even has fans on the International Space Station! Pretty soon, Man United will have Martian fans too!
No??
That old chestnut.
Cheap jibe from a fan who doesn't know Manchester. Typically ignorant and very funny it seems.You are a clown
Cheap jibe from a fan who doesn't know Manchester. Typically ignorant and very funny it seems.You are a clown
stewards from london lol ????????
I think you mean livarpool who's fans are mostly Scandinavian
No reason why not in outdoor stadiums - properly socially distanced events will be safer than supermarkets
I can't see football crowds staying socially distanced for much longer than say 30 seconds
4000 socially distanced to get into a ground will cause a long queue
seems to be just talk of football on here although report says outdoor events i didnt just look at the picture
seems to be just talk of football on here although report says outdoor events i didnt just look at the picture
Only the seats are outside.
Turnstiles, bar, food, toilets, access are all indoors.
Turnstiles, bar, food, toilets, access are all indoors.
The issue is not inside the ground, it’ll be outside it.
Until the half time toilet break
Until 4000 people jump on the same trains and buses home with all the other tens of thousands oikball and sports fans!!
It’s not bloody hard to comprehend this unnecessary risk!!! Jesus, give me strength
It’s not bloody hard to comprehend this unnecessary risk!!! Jesus, give me strength
It is not within the facility itself for the actual event, but rather the arrival and departure of people attending. Bottle necks will be caused as they are not designed to cope with social distancing. It has already been discussed about staggered arrivals and departures, but fans seem to be against this which is a major problem getting them to keep to arrival times etc.
But what about the bars and pubs where people congregate on match day?
Because people meet in the pub in large numbers to get bladdered before going shopping!
Think before you type love!!!!
Think before you type love!!!!
Lets see what tier London ends up in...
or Cheltenham, Ascot and Epsom, more to the point.
Horrid?? Been reading nursery rhymes again?
Seriously, it's safe for up to 4,000 people to meet for a sports event? I think I give up.
Yep! Should never have been stopped in the first place.
Typically inept decision.
25% of capacity would be a more sensible approach. With Crowd Exit carefully managed.
There's no risk outside for goodness sake, irrespective of what tier you're in.
No doubt you'll be told to wear a mask. Again Mad.
25% of capacity would be a more sensible approach. With Crowd Exit carefully managed.
There's no risk outside for goodness sake, irrespective of what tier you're in.
No doubt you'll be told to wear a mask. Again Mad.
Safer for 4,000 fans in an outdoor stadium than 4,000 shoppers inside a supermarket.
I don't think it sounds all that risky. 4,000 people knocking around a stadium built to hold 55/60k; less than 10% capacity...
Surely far safer than the supermarket!
It's a maximum limit - so I imagine it based on capacity or some type of seating arrangement.
Surely far safer than the supermarket!
It's a maximum limit - so I imagine it based on capacity or some type of seating arrangement.
Plenty of fans in American soccer stadiums, the country with the most covid deaths.
Couldn't agree with you more. We're going from lockdown to opening up virtually everything and probably more mixing over Xmas then we will be back in lockdown and cases will rise. Absolutely stupid
So do you think it's safer for 4000 people to be allowed to trawl around indoors at a shopping centre like Meadowhall, but not be outside watching sport????
Give up then. If you cant possibly see how this can be made safe you may as well never leave your house again.
Indeed. That might well be spaced out when in the stands, but what about entry and exit? Asking for trouble especially when there is a vaccine round the corner.
what times kick off?
what time can you make it?
what time can you make it?
That'll be the entire fan base of Ipswich Town FC
And Football then takes over from pubs & schools for best community transmission, well done. i'm sure it has nothing to do with money, it all about the sport right?
You're at sod all risk of getting the virus outside unless the stadium is absolutely rammed. Which in most of these instances it won't be.
Pubs was/is much lower than schools
Not sure what pubs you go to but most are run by respectful landlords and punters in the main are mostly well behaved.
Probably got more chance of catching something in an office, factory etc..... don't believe everything you read or hear via the biased media.
Probably got more chance of catching something in an office, factory etc..... don't believe everything you read or hear via the biased media.
I assume it will be with appropriate distancing rather than 4,000 fans crammed into a 4,000 seat venue ?
Fans allowed but most of country in tier 3 so won't be happening
'they' will relocate the games to clean areas. citizens without immunity will live outside of these areas. the elite will now have a fully functioning society while the infected will carry on living in the north.
Good
This is stupid with a vaccine just around the corner at least wait until the new year when most of the at risk people have had a vaccine!
Not everyone has been brainwashed by the mainstream news sorry Simon. It's about time people started getting back to normal it's embarrassing how dumb the population is
Classic over dramatisation of what seems to be a sensible approach to getting some fan's back watching football.
My wife made a very good point about the vaccination being given to the over 80’s first
If u think about it carefully,, if it goes pete tong, it’s the over 80’s that will cop it first
If u think about it carefully,, if it goes pete tong, it’s the over 80’s that will cop it first
There'll be more than 4,000 fans at the Chinese New Year....
should be a percentage of the stadium capacity. 4000 at one is loads, 4000 at another is nothing.
Not so sure. If you had 10% at Arsenal for example (6,000 fans), we would all be meeting each other at the local rail station. Stadium size should not be the sole determining factor for number of fans.
Agreed. Clearly the limit should relate to the capacity. That is not even a bit difficult to work out. My club ( Spurs ) has a 60k capacity, so 4000 is absolutely nothing. At, say Barking f.c ( no offence to them ) 4000 would be too many.
Come on Boris, use your brain mate.
Come on Boris, use your brain mate.
Too many comments on here from people who can't read.
It's up to 4,000 or 50% of capacity and less in the higher tiers.
To many morons commenting about it being a blanket approach when it isn't. Removed
It's up to 4,000 or 50% of capacity and less in the higher tiers.
To many morons commenting about it being a blanket approach when it isn't. Removed
Can I play golf ?????? on Dec 2 ?
If clubs and fans are careful about social distancing, as in my experience they are, this seems OK
Non-league football clubs cannot go
on without gate money and no doubt other sports are the same
4,000 people going to a big match at a stadium seems more risky. Although there is more space in the stands, there are designed “pinch points” everyone has to go through
Non-league football clubs cannot go
on without gate money and no doubt other sports are the same
4,000 people going to a big match at a stadium seems more risky. Although there is more space in the stands, there are designed “pinch points” everyone has to go through
Let's all have a moan about the ridiculously irresponsible / over-cautious measures which are way too soon / too little too late.
Delete as appropriate.
Delete as appropriate.
Would Man U have enough local fans to sell 4000 tickets to?
Now you know that's not true!
Nice reply
Surely it should be a percentage of the stadium's capacity rather than a blanket 4000.
4K at a Premiership ground is completely different to 4K my local EFL team
I think the concern will be around squeezing fans into public transportation to and from the stadium. That might explain the 4,000 caps. Also, there is surely a requirement for social distancing inside the stadiums, so many will not be able to have that number attend.
I was at one of the pilot games in September and there were something like 500-600 there, even though the stadium was passed to hold just over 1000. It felt safer than going to work or round the shops, but that might have been more down to the attitude of all concerned than anything else.
It's more to do with how people get to the ground rather than what happens when they are there
Indeed. 4000 at a ground with 10000 capacity is a very different prospect to 4000 at Wembley
Stop making sense.... :-). Of course..... so 4,000 at a 4,000 seater or 4,000 at Wembley? The old one size fits all solution again from this government,,,, hopeless...
4000 people allowed at football, all of man citys fans will be able to go to their games again soon.
It says upto 4000 so one would assume everyone has to put a case forward on the safeguarding of fans
Yes when I think about social distancing Spurs Stadium can probably social distance at 20,000 whilst Turf Moor would struggle to take 4000. So maybe a better allowance would be as many fans as you can whilst keeping the distance.
Perhaps as much to do with numbers near the stadium pre and post-match.
But in lower leagues many grounds have capacity under about 10,000.
Mebbe details will shortly be fleshed-out case-by-case?
But in lower leagues many grounds have capacity under about 10,000.
Mebbe details will shortly be fleshed-out case-by-case?
From what I have seen, this story only gives some of the details. 4,000 is the maximum or 50% of the ground capacity, depending on which is the lowest. So, for example, Old Trafford would be 4,000.
it is a percentage of the minimum capacity for those levels - the same as that at National level since August/September
Logistically it's a challenge. Inside the stadium all sat down is fine, but leaving en masse at full time is where it's an issue. Getting home after leaving the Emirates for example is a nightmare. Huge queues at the stations, narrow streets. We'd be straight back into lockdown
It's likely not based on stadium size, but based on how many people they want spilling out into the streets at the same time.
yes it should be a % PLUS staggered arrival and seat "boarding" perfectly possible. Risk assess by the venue, Spurs stadium can take more due to its design and band fans arrangements. Lets face even footy fans will be sensible as missed it so much!!
I would have thought 10% of the capacity or 4000 whichever is the lower.
That idea would be far too simple.....
Some sports commentator was expressing this opinion too, not realising that the problem is the 'turnstiles' where fans will bunch up, both entering and leaving the stadiums. No matter how disciplined, fans will still infringe the social distancing rule at the gates.
Well yes perhaps but let's not forget the bigger the numbers of people attending the potential for larger crowds travelling in general and particularly on public transport which could mean less social distancing etc so the risk of infection increases etc.
Think it’s not about stadium capacity but more about safety travelling to and around the area.
It's 50% of capacity up to 4,000.
not really. 4000 would help league 1 and 2 clubs. PL clubs dont need the same level of financial assistance as they can get it from TV revenue. Lower league clubs need fans to return.
It is not just about in the stadium it is about not flooding the transport system getting to and from the game.
Its not just what the stadia can hold its also about what strains are put on local transport and infrastructure.
You'd think so, but when has logic and science ever mattered to this government.
They want to seen doing things, irrespective of whether they're the right things!
They want to seen doing things, irrespective of whether they're the right things!
No. It has been shown that the more people at the event can cause issues when arriving or leaving the venue due to potential bottle necks. Stadiums are not designed to be able to social distance people in large numbers and it will be a stretch for people to arrive early enough or wait longer to leave.
Stadiums should be half capacity, 4000 fans is a waste of time and a token gesture.
Let's get out there and start supporting our local teams. The prem league has become a bloated mess of big money, advertising and ridiculous new rules that are choking the enjoyment of watching the top leagues. Let's get back to grassroots and have fun watching the game we love again.
I've a better idea, how about NOT having fans back till after a vaccine, although all morons will probably disagree
Absolutely - I went to a couple of the early FA Cup games around my area They were well supported. I managed to attend 6 games before the most recent suspension of fans and used the track and trace at each one and guess what - I heard nothing which means there was no positive cases. I will be the first in the queue for a ticket as it is clearly safe to do so
You're absolutely right, of course, but all semi-pro teams (like the one I support) are also still without fans. It's probably better and safer, but once the vaccine kicks in, and we can go to football, I hope people heed your advice.
The BBC's football pages will, however, still be written for pub-viewing Premiership supporters who have never been to a game, ever.
The BBC's football pages will, however, still be written for pub-viewing Premiership supporters who have never been to a game, ever.
Sorry, I only support one team so that's where I'll be going should I be fortunate to get a ticket in the ballot. Got no real interest in watching other teams.
Yep, thats my plan. The PL has shown it doesn't need fans to survive. The smaller clubs. The ones who are actually part of the community need support
Keep a sense of proportion! We are talking about spectator sports which really do not matter very much. The purpose of sport is just to keep you fit for more important things.
I have more fun watching my young lad play football, meet the other parents, have a laugh, all for free.
Plus local lads have no chance of making it as foreign imports halt any chance of them breaking through.
It is all of professional football who have to follow the rules within football even without the pandemic.
Well said sir
I could have my local drama club perform in my back garden, but I'd still turn on Netflix. Local doesn't mean its worth watching
Well said sir.
This constant changing of rules, VAR and prima donna players are distancing the Premier league from us normal fans.
I've had enough of it.
I enjoy popping along to support my local team (Kings Lynn Town) much more and am looking forward to returning when restrictions allow.
This constant changing of rules, VAR and prima donna players are distancing the Premier league from us normal fans.
I've had enough of it.
I enjoy popping along to support my local team (Kings Lynn Town) much more and am looking forward to returning when restrictions allow.
Hmmm, so home fans in one part of the country will help push their team on to victory, while in a covid affected areas away teams will get a free pass with zero home support? Sounds fair.
I don't think you are considering the logistics. It isn't just about distancing in the stadium, it is about the potential close contact when you have a sudden large amount of commuters travelling to the same location, using the same trains and buses and pathways. The more cases there are in higher tier areas, the easier it is to spread amongst the commuters.
Interesting comment maybe this is the encouragement some areas need to do better with SD etc
Unless the sound of fans munching on prawn sandwiches counts as encouragement to the players, it wont make much difference to the premier league.
Do you honestly think the bug club will give tickets to the ordinary fans?
Until the limit is raised in the spring (hopefully) it will be the spectators in the expensive seats not the fans. (Club level at Arsenal holds 7.5k)
Do you honestly think the bug club will give tickets to the ordinary fans?
Until the limit is raised in the spring (hopefully) it will be the spectators in the expensive seats not the fans. (Club level at Arsenal holds 7.5k)
Who cares cancel the season. In fact bin the money orientated sport
So you are going to allow crowds at sports venues, open pubs later, open shops and gyms, but there's talk about restricting the Christmas get together from 23rd-27th December ? What about running through the week from 25th Dec-1st Jan ? Crazy set of rules and a lot of dual standards. I was at a garden centre yesterday. You could get anything that the little shops could sell but they are banned.
pubs will not open later, who is going to pay staff when the tills are shut no money coming in?
That's a good point - why are garden centres allowed to be open? Non essential items on sale and frequented by old people? Shouldn't be allowed, for their own good.
Yup. It’s all safe outside to watch your beloved oikball..... until you have to get there and back on a crowded bus, train or tube of course.
Thank the lord you aren’t allowed to make lofty decisions, we’d all be screwed!
Thank the lord you aren’t allowed to make lofty decisions, we’d all be screwed!
If I have got my calculations right, that's about one fan to every 15 seats at Spurs. Come on, you could lay down and still not be anywhere near the next person. much less two metres. Also, let's realistic with entering / exiting. How difficult would it be to get 4000 fans from the station to the stadium and back, much less given a large portion of these will drive anyway.
Assuming that AFCB means AFC Bournemouth, can your place actually hold 4000? Covid is for Christmas, football banter is for life.
Why? The virus would have spread quicker. What the hell's wrong with you.
Scamdemic.
Oh you are so so wrong there.
Just don't see it working. All seater grounds fine to maintain SD but no control of fans to and from games. My experience of non league is that Clubs do their best to emphasise Covid regulations but cannot enforce SD once fans inside if they decide to congregate. I really hope it works but unsure whether it will.
Lets see what tier London ends up in...
Getting to my usual seat isn’t just a case of being outside though.
There’s an absolutely huge concourse to get through. That stand probably can hold a thousand with distancing though.
The one at the other end of the ground probably couldn’t handle 200 with distancing in place. The concourse in the upper tier is way too small.
There’s an absolutely huge concourse to get through. That stand probably can hold a thousand with distancing though.
The one at the other end of the ground probably couldn’t handle 200 with distancing in place. The concourse in the upper tier is way too small.
Are you sure there is no risk? Difference between 4000 people shopping and 4000 at a football match is the people at the football match are usually singing and shouting so lots of spit and saliva emitted. Okay it’s outside which is safer but why take any risk and I speak as a season ticket holder.
Vaccines seem close so why not wait?
Vaccines seem close so why not wait?
Can I play golf ?????? on Dec 2 ?
Would Man U have enough local fans to sell 4000 tickets to?
It's a bit of banter Bob, that's all!
Well I hope the people in the towns who were out denying Covid will be sorry that their local team can't have fans - I doubt it!!
The way we are playing ( Newcastle) we will struggle to get 4,000 fans
It is mind boggling rubbish we are playing
It is mind boggling rubbish we are playing
Steve Bruce is causing more mental health issues tin the north east than the lockdown.
We saw the light a couple of years ago and cabbaged him.
UTV
We saw the light a couple of years ago and cabbaged him.
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Get away! You are the most loyal fans in the world and the 250k on the waiting list will step forward to take their places. You give us plenty of stick for averaging only 32k in the 3rd division, on the back of years and years of misery,
(including 365 days between home wins), so surely cannot be serious about jacking it in when you've got nowt to complain about. We wish we had your problems....
(including 365 days between home wins), so surely cannot be serious about jacking it in when you've got nowt to complain about. We wish we had your problems....
Great! people can go and watch football and see scores like 1-0 and 0-1 or maybe 3-1 or even 0-0! You just never know with that game what it's going to be...
It's working well in American football. (In the sense that people aren't breaking the rules.)
It will be fine while they are in their seats but before, half time and after the game most these 4000 will want a beer.
Then I suggest you try watching footage from everywhere else in the world where it has proven to be successful.
depends what the score is
and especially not in the loos at half time
Difference is, you don't have to go to watch football but people do need essential groceries, even in a lockdown.
How many supermarkets have 4000 people in them? The answer is none
Or a big indoor shopping centre......
Wow. Going to debate the millimetres (or milliseconds) of additional safety? Whilst you have rapidly increasing spread, new cases and deaths (which is the case right now), NO large crowd gathering is safe. Full stop. Even in places with full PPE the virus still finds a way. Cruise ship restarts in Norway/US, with extreme new bio-security...still failed.
So the new stricter rules are actually more relaxed than the previous rules, where's the proof that Covid 19 is a public house/hospitality based virus.
The proof? Answer: The R rate.
So just 3, 500 tickets to sell for a Baggies match.
its the queue to get in and out and the queue for the toilets at half time that presents a problem.
best not to hurry this. Rugby Union got a mega bail out - football loaded. This should not be hurried....
The Rugby Premiership did, Championship got scraps as usual
AndrewMichael
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Harsh lesson for those areas, follow the guidelines, get the rate down it's not rocket science.
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Harsh lesson for those areas, follow the guidelines, get the rate down it's not rocket science.
36,000 recently attended the rugby union match in Australia vs New Zealand
Am i missing something here
Am i missing something here
Yes. Them 2 Countries dint mess about and lockdown(ed) better than us..
In the last 7 days UK had 120,000 new cases-----Australia had 85. Maybe that's what you are missing?
Yes, there governments both locked down, harder and longer than us without quibble, discussion or arguing. Then all flying in were quarantined in guarded hotels! When I say harder, they had to go to the nearest supermarket not the one they chose, they didn’t all go to the beach because they were closed! Get it!
your missing the location and the respective covid levels in that location compared to the UK.
Yes, that was 8,000 miles away.....
Notice their infection rates though. Both countries have been really strict and the people too.
Whilst we await confirmation of the facts this sounds like a recipe for muddle and also possibly the worst case scenario for the most loyal fans. It has been bad enough watching games on TV played behind closed doors but to actually have to watch games with fans present when you are not there could be really heart breaking especially to those who are always normally present no matter what.
I'm sure the clubs will treat season ticket holders equally. Miss week1 game and you're there for the next one if possible. Obviously at Prem League clubs you may have to wait for a few games before you can get it. Better that than nothing and the players will love to see (and hear) you!
Lets be honest the only risk is fans piling into public transport.
Stadiums should be half capacity, 4000 fans is a waste of time and a token gesture.
I suppose you are the expert, 4000 is a waste of time, period.
Horrid?? Been reading nursery rhymes again?
Is that Boris way of tackling soccer hooliganism?
Both inside and outside the ground - and just in case some are hiding lets get the old ones in their own home
Both inside and outside the ground - and just in case some are hiding lets get the old ones in their own home
Soccer obviously you know nothing
Is that up to 4K fans as a percentage of the stadium? My local Rugby club is 3K, they going to be allowed a full house again? If not, not woeth them bothering as would lose money
Hmmm, so home fans in one part of the country will help push their team on to victory, while in a covid affected areas away teams will get a free pass with zero home support? Sounds fair.
I don't think you are considering the logistics. It isn't just about distancing in the stadium, it is about the potential close contact when you have a sudden large amount of commuters travelling to the same location, using the same trains and buses and pathways. The more cases there are in higher tier areas, the easier it is to spread amongst the commuters.
Obviously not at the same time but over a day a supermarket may have that many people going in and out
Maybe not, but what about 4,000 people in an indoor shopping centre like Meadowhall or the Trafford Centre......?????
As expected this has deteriorated into a forum for footballists to slag each other off.
Great....more chances to spread the virus...
Then get in the pub after the match & spread it some more!!!
Real clever thinking....
Then get in the pub after the match & spread it some more!!!
Real clever thinking....
So by your logic we shouldnt be going anywhere
Exactly.
I live inbetween Wembley Park station and the stadium.
I would be impossible to even get 10,000 people in and out of the stadium socially distanced.
I live inbetween Wembley Park station and the stadium.
I would be impossible to even get 10,000 people in and out of the stadium socially distanced.
Also going to be loads in pubs near grounds unless they close within 2 mile radius
That's much too sensible. This is HYS, where the knee jerk reaction rules.
Would Man U have enough local fans to sell 4000 tickets to?
Having the biggest stadium capacity helps, and I was actually talking about "local fans"
Record premier league attendance 81898
Spurs v man utd at Wembley .
Spurs v man utd at Wembley .
no fans allowed in three tiers thats about half of the country at the moment cant see mp voting for it and if they did how long would it be for
so 4000 to pack into a smaller clubs stadium will def help the smaller clubs financially. you kinda wonder about social distancing logic a bit tho. maybe if everyone shouts obscenities into their masks a) no one will get infected & b) no one will be able to figure out who was yelling them.
the big clubs can auction their seats...should make a fortune.
the big clubs can auction their seats...should make a fortune.
We're just double checking this comment.
Wow have been waiting a while for this . The Northern Ireland game was great on tv just because a thousand were allowed in. It makes all the difference . As I'm ex vulnerable Fratton park may still be a little while longer for me but it will be great to hear a crowd again and will go e the club's a welcome boost.
If nothing else at least the thought of being able to watch live Footie or Rugby might make a few more people social distance and wear masks..
Still is issue with getting 4000 people into and away from stadiums on socially distanced public transport, like to know how they're going to solve that one.
Still is issue with getting 4000 people into and away from stadiums on socially distanced public transport, like to know how they're going to solve that one.
Naivety at its best
Hmmm, so home fans in one part of the country will help push their team on to victory, while in a covid affected areas away teams will get a free pass with zero home support? Sounds fair.