£300m rescue deal for Covid-hit sports
19/11/2020 | sport | other | 353
The government announces a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports impacted by the absence of spectators because of coronavirus.
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19/11/2020 15:23:26 3 3
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that's good. you could buy a tea-cosy for HS/2, with that
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19/11/2020 15:24:22 102 15
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there is enough money floating about in professional football not to require any bail out. especially when they can afford £400,000 a week wages to one player
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19/11/2020 15:30:37 42 26
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There is nothing for either the Premier or English Football League, suggest you bother to actually read the article.
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19/11/2020 15:43:55 6 1
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Which is why they aren't getting any money, it's teams in the 5th tier and below who won't even be paying players a quarter of that in a year.
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19/11/2020 16:09:10 2 9
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Presumably, that's because there are millions of people around the planet wishing to pay to watch those footballers play. Maybe stop whining about other people's success, make your sport more marketable, and you too will have lots of money.
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19/11/2020 16:35:28 6 6
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OK then why not write to Tesco and get them to give some of their takings to the smaller businesses who've had to close and who's profits they've had instead of paying out a 28% increase in dividends? I mean there's enough money floating about in Amazon, the big supermarkets etc... to look after all of those who aren't so well off...should have got my drift by now what a stupid comment yours is ;)
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19/11/2020 17:15:58 2 4
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How about those overpaid executives of the FTSE 100? Or the likes of Jake Mogg who has made millions but paid no tax because his business is registered in the Caymans?
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19/11/2020 20:24:05 0 1
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Redistribution of wealth, tax payers money to the rich!!! It’s what’s been happening throughout the pandemic, so shouldn’t be surprised at this announcement.......
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19/11/2020 15:24:57 5 15
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About £300m, of which I make it £14m for women's sport (plus that for horse racing). Says a lot about who made the decisions.
it's about money.
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19/11/2020 16:16:22 2 0
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... ok, and while we're discussing women's sport, equal Wimbledon prize money for men and women is a disgrace
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19/11/2020 15:25:41 55 19
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Remind me please - which Government said it was serious about levelling up? ??

Rugby League - Predominantly and historically a Northern and working class sport - £12m

Rugby Union - Predominantly and historically a Southern and upper class sport - £135m (in addition to the hundreds of millions it has received in sponsorship from tax payer funded RBS).

Disgraceful.
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19/11/2020 15:28:38 34 17
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Total disgrace, one of the only socially acceptable forms of discrimination still happening in the UK in 2020. Not shocked just the latest in a long list of southern class discrimination to the North. Hang your head in Westminster you are a disgrace to this country
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19/11/2020 15:28:57 14 8
bbc
I suggest you compare the number of participants and clubs, and financial outgoings, rather than being divisive and try to make it a north/south/class issue - which it isn't.
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19/11/2020 15:38:39 15 13
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Sale, Newcastle, Edinburgh, Glasgow & Ulster all RU professional clubs North of the RL heartlands.

Leicester, Northampton, Wasps Glouster, Worcester all Midlands (NOT SOUTH).

Bath, Bristol, Exeter all West country (not South).

your comments are massively incorrect.
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19/11/2020 20:20:02 4 4
bbc
Possibly due to union being more popular than league with more community clubs nationwide ?
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20/11/2020 00:01:30 0 0
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Only sport in England is getting the money!!!!!!!
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20/11/2020 07:51:01 0 1
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Actually rugby snoozion's more of a grammar school sport (middle class) than a public school sport (and remember it was invented in the Midlands). The middle classes want to ape what they perceive the aristocrats do, but the aristos do their own thing, which might be football, in preference to rugby, or properly expensive things, like polo.
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20/11/2020 07:55:52 1 0
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RU still has much more money than League, which remains much more communitarian. Wasn't there supposed to be a fund to help League clubs survive the loss of revenue from fans & sponsors? And has it been absorbed into this?

It's fine to give all that dosh to amateur union clubs - the town clubs funded by the members and local functions and club nights etc. but not really to the already wealthy.
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19/11/2020 15:26:28 54 13
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The government (i.e. taxpayers) should not be bailing out sporting organisations that have been fundamentally mismanaged for years.

Clubs and governing bodies have habitually spent well beyond their means based on fantasies of future income - they are not struggling because of the impact of coronavirus; they have been on the brink for years and this has simply tipped them over the edge.
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19/11/2020 16:39:27 16 3
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nope but let's bail the arts out for over a billion aye? The lower league clubs of all sports rely on their gate receipts to survive and the Govt. has stopped them earning that part so yeah they should bail them out and put a windfall tax on the big supermarkets and Amazon at the same time to rake back some of the extortionate profits they've been creaming in at the expense of small business.
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Lee
19/11/2020 18:17:15 1 1
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Exeter Rugby Club make a profit ever year, clubs like Northampton Saints, Leicester Tigers, and Gloucester, have also made profits in the recent past, so your view isn't true at all.

Most Premiership RU clubs are well run and, until the virus, were financially stable.
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20/11/2020 12:11:20 0 1
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Sorry Bill, that's a pretty inaccurate generalisation. Plenty of these sports are well run but on small margins and reliant on spectator revenue. Grants are to keep them afloat while government policy deprives them of their revenue.
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19/11/2020 15:26:35 87 19
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Where is the logic in affording £5m each to RFU Premiership teams, but the whole sport of Rugby League has to get by on £12m?

The North/South divide shows no signs of relenting.
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19/11/2020 15:29:30 4 32
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The clubs in both codes have small fan bases.
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19/11/2020 15:31:14 9 7
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It is about comparative expenditure. Absolutely nothing to do with geography.
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19/11/2020 15:32:11 6 7
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Professional RU clubs in Scotland & Northern Ireland that on my map are north of the M62 ;-)
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19/11/2020 15:38:13 7 4
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Totally agree.
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19/11/2020 16:45:11 5 3
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Twickenham.
Thats the reason.
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19/11/2020 18:05:02 13 6
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Rugby Union's millionaire/billionaire owners obviously more deserving of help than RL owners. I mean, why sell a yacht or Lonodn property to support your club when you can get a hand from your Tory chums?
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19/11/2020 18:20:39 10 2
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Problem for Boris is one of perception re the rugby codes. Many of those recently turned blue seats here in the North are going to be a distinct colour of red come the next election and many of the sitting Tory MP;s up here know it too.
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20/11/2020 21:31:53 0 0
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Rugby Union can afford to pay the loan back but the M62 sport of Rugby League have no money..
Pretty simple to understand really
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20/11/2020 22:06:35 0 0
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The money tree keeps growing. International RU is the main driver here for losses which RL doesn't have plus the fact it's across the country not Merseyside to York but i dont see where the clubs get £5M. Leeds Rhinos like Saracens are millionaire owned.

It's grassroots league and union that needs rescuing..no Sky or BT TV money there.
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19/11/2020 15:28:31 3 13
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Why give money to sports that aren't that popular? Rugby always struggled for money even in the best of times which is why the players make small salaries.
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19/11/2020 15:34:57 11 3
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Rugby league is popular. You are not.
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19/11/2020 15:46:40 4 2
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It's the second most watched sport in the country stop talking rubbish because you dont like it
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19/11/2020 15:25:41 55 19
bbc
Remind me please - which Government said it was serious about levelling up? ??

Rugby League - Predominantly and historically a Northern and working class sport - £12m

Rugby Union - Predominantly and historically a Southern and upper class sport - £135m (in addition to the hundreds of millions it has received in sponsorship from tax payer funded RBS).

Disgraceful.
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19/11/2020 15:28:38 34 17
bbc
Total disgrace, one of the only socially acceptable forms of discrimination still happening in the UK in 2020. Not shocked just the latest in a long list of southern class discrimination to the North. Hang your head in Westminster you are a disgrace to this country
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19/11/2020 17:17:51 1 0
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40000 jobs for shipbuilding. 4 outa five in North, Scotland, NI. Oh small yard in Devon.
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19/11/2020 15:25:41 55 19
bbc
Remind me please - which Government said it was serious about levelling up? ??

Rugby League - Predominantly and historically a Northern and working class sport - £12m

Rugby Union - Predominantly and historically a Southern and upper class sport - £135m (in addition to the hundreds of millions it has received in sponsorship from tax payer funded RBS).

Disgraceful.
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19/11/2020 15:28:57 14 8
bbc
I suggest you compare the number of participants and clubs, and financial outgoings, rather than being divisive and try to make it a north/south/class issue - which it isn't.
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19/11/2020 15:40:10 9 14
bbc
I would suggest that you look a little closer at the numbers involved in grassroots League all over the country. I would also suggest that RU players are overpaid particularly for the product shown on the field.
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19/11/2020 15:44:08 6 1
bbc
Surely you're just taking the Micky when it's clearly outlined that the 12 premiership clubs alone will be getting 59m? 59/12x11 doesn't equal 11m
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19/11/2020 23:47:25 4 0
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Are you for real? Do you not see it for what it is? That’s a shame.

OK, if I’m generous and go with your analysis are you saying because RU overspend (eg Saracens aka tax evaders) they should be paid more? You don’t address the RBS point either?

Participants-wise I’m not sure there is any reliable data but say it’s 70,000 RL and 240,000 RU as some research suggests.....as I say, disgraceful
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DJ
19/11/2020 15:29:20 1 4
bbc
So nothing for athletics then? Completely crazy given that running is the biggest participation sport in the UK and has enormous health benefits. Staying fit and healthy is one of the best defenses against not only covid, but practically anything else that shortens our lives. Government could have got a lot more bang for their buck.
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19/11/2020 15:49:39 3 1
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Exactly what 'Running' do you mean? if you mean the thousands of people that go jogging on the roads and streets, do parkrun etc then this has nothing to do with UK Athletics.
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19/11/2020 15:29:24 67 15
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Rugby Union £135m Grant, Rugby League £12m Loan. No north / south divide eh!
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19/11/2020 15:50:05 19 27
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Plenty of northern Union teams.
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19/11/2020 15:26:35 87 19
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Where is the logic in affording £5m each to RFU Premiership teams, but the whole sport of Rugby League has to get by on £12m?

The North/South divide shows no signs of relenting.
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19/11/2020 15:29:30 4 32
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The clubs in both codes have small fan bases.
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19/11/2020 15:24:22 102 15
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there is enough money floating about in professional football not to require any bail out. especially when they can afford £400,000 a week wages to one player
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19/11/2020 15:30:37 42 26
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There is nothing for either the Premier or English Football League, suggest you bother to actually read the article.
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19/11/2020 16:06:10 7 8
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Point stands.

Ballkickers fund yourselves.
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19/11/2020 18:18:11 1 2
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The Football League where half the teams are from the north gets nothing, the National League where 2/3rds are from the south and even the 'north' division has three southern teams gets funding.
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19/11/2020 15:31:10 9 1
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Good that minority sports will get some funding to keep going, especially with the Olympics around the corner.

As for major sports getting £millions, it's good to read that these will generally be in the form of loans rather than just money being thrown around. I do wonder whether it will be the TV-viewing public who will end up paying for it all in the long-run though.
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19/11/2020 15:26:35 87 19
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Where is the logic in affording £5m each to RFU Premiership teams, but the whole sport of Rugby League has to get by on £12m?

The North/South divide shows no signs of relenting.
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19/11/2020 15:31:14 9 7
bbc
It is about comparative expenditure. Absolutely nothing to do with geography.
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19/11/2020 15:39:03 6 2
bbc
Comparative expenditure is supported by a much higher settlement from Sky and BT, despite significantly lower viewing figures
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19/11/2020 15:24:57 5 15
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About £300m, of which I make it £14m for women's sport (plus that for horse racing). Says a lot about who made the decisions.
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19/11/2020 15:31:19 0 0
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it's about money.
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19/11/2020 15:31:32 3 13
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Excellent. Important that sports like netball, badminton etc where the only crowd are family and friends get money but the only true worldwide sport - football gets nothing at League 1 and 2 (and championship). And this is teams who pay players as little as 30-50k a year not the headline few in the Premier League
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19/11/2020 15:41:14 14 2
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Get the mega rich football clubs and players to help out.
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19/11/2020 15:48:09 1 0
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The premier league is already sorting a rescue package for EFL clubs.
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19/11/2020 15:48:36 1 0
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There is more than enough money washing around the game of football. The problem is that it is all tied up in certain clubs, broadcast deals, sponsorship, over inflated players wages etc.
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19/11/2020 15:26:35 87 19
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Where is the logic in affording £5m each to RFU Premiership teams, but the whole sport of Rugby League has to get by on £12m?

The North/South divide shows no signs of relenting.
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19/11/2020 15:32:11 6 7
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Professional RU clubs in Scotland & Northern Ireland that on my map are north of the M62 ;-)
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19/11/2020 15:58:39 12 2
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If you bother to read the article you will see that the money is for England. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are responsible for their own budgets, which makes your comment irrelevant.
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19/11/2020 15:32:37 13 11
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So the Arts get billions and sports get £ 0.3 B. It's a luvvie old world.
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19/11/2020 16:18:46 4 1
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And the arts big wigs have billions in their bank accounts get a grip Gov
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DG
19/11/2020 15:34:54 17 6
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So there is money for sports, why has the money for the Zoo's
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19/11/2020 15:50:18 16 3
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The zoo's what?
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19/11/2020 17:06:06 1 1
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I thought that MP's were getting a 3k a year payrise?
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19/11/2020 18:22:40 1 0
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No one gives a monkeys
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19/11/2020 15:28:31 3 13
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Why give money to sports that aren't that popular? Rugby always struggled for money even in the best of times which is why the players make small salaries.
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19/11/2020 15:34:57 11 3
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Rugby league is popular. You are not.
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19/11/2020 15:36:42 33 4
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Football should be able to look after itself in the eyes of many which is why there is a reluctance to help out.
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19/11/2020 16:40:30 3 7
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They obviously don't know much about football and how it works then and what about the arts who got over a billion didn't they?
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19/11/2020 17:57:00 2 0
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I agree re Premier League, Championship & EFL div1, but it's much more difficult 4 lower league & non-league (NL) clubs down to & including Tier 2 in NL pyramid. They not allowed fans, but still have outgoings- eg paying officials, floodlighting, heat & light & travelling expenses.
+ lost matchday income in ground, renting out facilities & events run by supporters clubs.
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19/11/2020 15:37:05 100 5
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The bookies should be chipping in for Horse Racing & Greyhounds....

They've sure made billions over the years from those two...
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19/11/2020 16:01:42 14 3
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The studs that get their gee gees on the front pages should pay as well
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19/11/2020 17:25:08 1 1
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Racing would be dead if it wasn’t for their sponsorship
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19/11/2020 22:44:41 1 1
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The sooner greyhound racing goes out of business, the better ('retired' greyhound owner)
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20/11/2020 18:08:53 0 0
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There's a betting levy which goes back into racing
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19/11/2020 15:26:35 87 19
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Where is the logic in affording £5m each to RFU Premiership teams, but the whole sport of Rugby League has to get by on £12m?

The North/South divide shows no signs of relenting.
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19/11/2020 15:38:13 7 4
bbc
Totally agree.
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19/11/2020 15:25:41 55 19
bbc
Remind me please - which Government said it was serious about levelling up? ??

Rugby League - Predominantly and historically a Northern and working class sport - £12m

Rugby Union - Predominantly and historically a Southern and upper class sport - £135m (in addition to the hundreds of millions it has received in sponsorship from tax payer funded RBS).

Disgraceful.
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19/11/2020 15:38:39 15 13
bbc
Sale, Newcastle, Edinburgh, Glasgow & Ulster all RU professional clubs North of the RL heartlands.

Leicester, Northampton, Wasps Glouster, Worcester all Midlands (NOT SOUTH).

Bath, Bristol, Exeter all West country (not South).

your comments are massively incorrect.
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Lee
19/11/2020 18:09:31 3 1
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I think you will find Gloucester is in the South-West, not the Midlands, but I agree with your point.

In the South-West, like in South Wales, Rugby Union has always been a working class sport, so much so that when the Northern Union broke away to form the Rugby League, Gloucester were invited to join them.
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19/11/2020 23:55:53 1 0
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You may not be aware but this is English money so let’s forget the other UK clubs you mention - for accuracy.

London Broncos is and professional club in RL so not sure of your point re Newc and Sale? (Historical and predominant was what I said).

Have a read of why the Northern Union broke away from the Union and if you feel the same - shame on you, sir.
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19/11/2020 15:31:14 9 7
bbc
It is about comparative expenditure. Absolutely nothing to do with geography.
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19/11/2020 15:39:03 6 2
bbc
Comparative expenditure is supported by a much higher settlement from Sky and BT, despite significantly lower viewing figures
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19/11/2020 16:17:43 3 0
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You are right, this also has nothing to do with viewing figures.
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19/11/2020 15:28:57 14 8
bbc
I suggest you compare the number of participants and clubs, and financial outgoings, rather than being divisive and try to make it a north/south/class issue - which it isn't.
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19/11/2020 15:40:10 9 14
bbc
I would suggest that you look a little closer at the numbers involved in grassroots League all over the country. I would also suggest that RU players are overpaid particularly for the product shown on the field.
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19/11/2020 23:56:17 1 0
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Excellent point.
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20/11/2020 08:11:51 1 0
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The vast majority of players are along the M62 for rugby league and interest and participation is declining. Outside of the clubs in that region there is little or no interest. What percentage if RFL development officers are outside the above ? That will tell you how far participation in Rugby League extends to. Rugby League as a product is popular with people that are indoctrinated with it.
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19/11/2020 15:31:32 3 13
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Excellent. Important that sports like netball, badminton etc where the only crowd are family and friends get money but the only true worldwide sport - football gets nothing at League 1 and 2 (and championship). And this is teams who pay players as little as 30-50k a year not the headline few in the Premier League
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19/11/2020 15:41:14 14 2
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Get the mega rich football clubs and players to help out.
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19/11/2020 15:43:13 17 5
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Sorry don’t know if it’s been said but put the players and drivers on universal credit and leave tax payers money alone during austerity they took 2.5 billion from the disabled and dropped 50% to 45% rich people’s tax this money for this money for that is a scandal
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19/11/2020 15:43:25 16 5
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Sorry but a just can't get excited about the £300m Sports Winter Survival Package. It is the same old sports, those that sell their souls to broadcaster and are happy to take on numerous sponsors all of whom still want to take their pound of flesh even when the going gets rough. Where is the support for amateur clubs such as swimming, gymnastics etc. I guess their profile isn't as big as kickball.
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19/11/2020 15:51:19 6 1
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You're exactly right: their profile isn't as big as football
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19/11/2020 15:51:45 0 0
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Money for non league clubs but nothing for the EFL ones.
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19/11/2020 15:24:22 102 15
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there is enough money floating about in professional football not to require any bail out. especially when they can afford £400,000 a week wages to one player
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19/11/2020 15:43:55 6 1
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Which is why they aren't getting any money, it's teams in the 5th tier and below who won't even be paying players a quarter of that in a year.
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19/11/2020 15:28:57 14 8
bbc
I suggest you compare the number of participants and clubs, and financial outgoings, rather than being divisive and try to make it a north/south/class issue - which it isn't.
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19/11/2020 15:44:08 6 1
bbc
Surely you're just taking the Micky when it's clearly outlined that the 12 premiership clubs alone will be getting 59m? 59/12x11 doesn't equal 11m
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19/11/2020 15:45:47 3 1
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It will take several EFLfootball clubs to go under before anything is done. That will happen sooner than you think.
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19/11/2020 17:19:55 0 2
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and the general tax paying public should be concerned why?
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19/11/2020 15:28:31 3 13
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Why give money to sports that aren't that popular? Rugby always struggled for money even in the best of times which is why the players make small salaries.
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19/11/2020 15:46:40 4 2
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It's the second most watched sport in the country stop talking rubbish because you dont like it
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19/11/2020 15:46:43 62 2
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tennis !! Wimbledon's insurance policy is paying out £174M .....£74M than expected..........cant they pay for themselves
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19/11/2020 15:57:37 29 3
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People cough up thousands for centre court final tickets. Surely they've go plenty iof money to give to the All England club to keep it going?
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19/11/2020 17:07:57 1 4
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Tennis a sport for 3rd rate foreigners to come to UK to earn their trade.
Apart from the Scotsman - but how much has he cost?
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19/11/2020 20:23:12 1 0
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Wimbledon is different to the LTA, who have lost all their other revenue streams from the tennis staged over the summer that isn’t Wimbledon, such as the excellent tournaments attended by hundreds of thousands of people in Eastbourne, Birmingham and Nottingham. P
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19/11/2020 15:47:02 2 2
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The Premier League and the Championship i understand. But clubs in League One and below are facing the end. Most of these clubs are over 120 years old. If there is no grass roots football, other than the lager louts playing Sunday League, then there is no development in our game...
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19/11/2020 15:51:09 1 4
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Trouble is I think people have it in their heads all the clubs earn millions and their players paid x a week.
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19/11/2020 15:55:53 0 2
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The big clubs no longer rely on recruiting talent from the lower league. They invest in their own academies and buy players from all over the world. There are too many professional clubs. Many need to go part-time or merge with other teams.
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19/11/2020 16:08:22 0 0
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And the elite players end up playing pass the parcel into their 50s
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Ian
19/11/2020 16:19:08 0 0
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How would you distribute it to L1 & 2 clubs?

After all there are clubs down there who have self inflicted financial issues. Huge contracts given prior to relegation a and players refusing to leave or take pay cuts.
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19/11/2020 15:48:06 26 5
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Nothing for speedway?
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19/11/2020 15:49:50 13 3
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Good point, well made.
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19/11/2020 15:57:51 0 2
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Ask the bike manufacturers
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19/11/2020 15:31:32 3 13
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Excellent. Important that sports like netball, badminton etc where the only crowd are family and friends get money but the only true worldwide sport - football gets nothing at League 1 and 2 (and championship). And this is teams who pay players as little as 30-50k a year not the headline few in the Premier League
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19/11/2020 15:48:09 1 0
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The premier league is already sorting a rescue package for EFL clubs.
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19/11/2020 16:00:28 0 0
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Hopefully so - that is good news.
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19/11/2020 15:48:14 67 1
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In the past the govt has inflicted one off taxes and penalties on the energy companies and the banks to rake in money to support other people. I think an extra tax or levy on the betting companies (who are making huge profits from sport) should be used to support horse racing and other sports.
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19/11/2020 20:30:26 5 0
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How about a tax on premier league tv income to cover the cost of this £300m as well for the EFL?
Well, sports, yes, but horse racing should never be considered a sport.
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19/11/2020 15:31:32 3 13
bbc
Excellent. Important that sports like netball, badminton etc where the only crowd are family and friends get money but the only true worldwide sport - football gets nothing at League 1 and 2 (and championship). And this is teams who pay players as little as 30-50k a year not the headline few in the Premier League
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19/11/2020 15:48:36 1 0
bbc
There is more than enough money washing around the game of football. The problem is that it is all tied up in certain clubs, broadcast deals, sponsorship, over inflated players wages etc.
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19/11/2020 15:48:57 24 1
bbc
Is the support fund a loan? There seems to be some disparity in the funding between Rugby Union and other sports.
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DJ
19/11/2020 15:29:20 1 4
bbc
So nothing for athletics then? Completely crazy given that running is the biggest participation sport in the UK and has enormous health benefits. Staying fit and healthy is one of the best defenses against not only covid, but practically anything else that shortens our lives. Government could have got a lot more bang for their buck.
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19/11/2020 15:49:39 3 1
bbc
Exactly what 'Running' do you mean? if you mean the thousands of people that go jogging on the roads and streets, do parkrun etc then this has nothing to do with UK Athletics.
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19/11/2020 15:48:06 26 5
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Nothing for speedway?
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19/11/2020 15:49:50 13 3
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Good point, well made.
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19/11/2020 15:29:24 67 15
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Rugby Union £135m Grant, Rugby League £12m Loan. No north / south divide eh!
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19/11/2020 15:50:05 19 27
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Plenty of northern Union teams.
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19/11/2020 16:11:53 11 3
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Plenty of southern rugby league teams as well
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19/11/2020 16:12:39 3 4
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Your view is so blinkered
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19/11/2020 16:37:40 7 1
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Who nobody watches. Yorkshire's best supported rugby union club - Doncaster Knights - had an average gate of less than 1,200 last season.
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19/11/2020 17:17:35 0 0
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Not in the premier league.
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19/11/2020 19:57:25 1 0
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Sale and Newcastle? The rest are little better than pub teams
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20/11/2020 10:59:38 0 1
bbc
Well then; if a few Midland/Southern R.U. teams go bust they won't be missed: several others available to replace them.
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DG
19/11/2020 15:34:54 17 6
bbc
So there is money for sports, why has the money for the Zoo's
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19/11/2020 15:50:18 16 3
bbc
The zoo's what?
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19/11/2020 15:50:29 22 17
bbc
They can chip in 300 mil for sport, 16.5 billion for the armed forces but they decided 20 mil for kids lunches over the holidays was too much?

I guess little kids simply don't produce enough profit for the treasury for them to be bothered with.
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19/11/2020 16:20:01 8 2
bbc
Aren't the kids meals being provided then?
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19/11/2020 16:35:11 4 1
bbc
Now if the little blighters still worked up the chimneys or down pit it would be different
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19/11/2020 15:50:50 23 8
bbc
And yet my wife still has yet to receive any meaningful financial support from Dishy Rishi after her small limited company lost every single contract post February this year but that doesn't matter - let's throw a load of cash at sports and celebrate the new defence funding boost announced today
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19/11/2020 16:46:55 4 1
bbc
And don't forget Boris pledging 1.75B to Gavi whilst all at home struggle to survive and over a billion to the arts..their using this to deflect people's anger away from them again knowing that football will bear the brunt of the backlash..sorry about your wife's business but they won't be...they want to shut us all down and leave the big boys with it all..pity she didn't know a Baroness :(
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19/11/2020 18:11:51 3 0
bbc
Someone asked BoJo this question at last weeks PMQ and he shamelessly evaded it. That and IR35 still very much on track it should tell us all exactly what govt thinks of self employed freelancers.

I'll keep banging on about this, but with RU awash with wealthy club owners, RU should not have been given this money.
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19/11/2020 15:47:02 2 2
bbc
The Premier League and the Championship i understand. But clubs in League One and below are facing the end. Most of these clubs are over 120 years old. If there is no grass roots football, other than the lager louts playing Sunday League, then there is no development in our game...
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19/11/2020 15:51:09 1 4
bbc
Trouble is I think people have it in their heads all the clubs earn millions and their players paid x a week.
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19/11/2020 15:51:18 13 5
bbc
Another Bailed out , to pay multi millions payrolls. Worker class does not receive anything because we have to pay these sport-men bubbles wages.
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19/11/2020 15:43:25 16 5
bbc
Sorry but a just can't get excited about the £300m Sports Winter Survival Package. It is the same old sports, those that sell their souls to broadcaster and are happy to take on numerous sponsors all of whom still want to take their pound of flesh even when the going gets rough. Where is the support for amateur clubs such as swimming, gymnastics etc. I guess their profile isn't as big as kickball.
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19/11/2020 15:51:19 6 1
bbc
You're exactly right: their profile isn't as big as football
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19/11/2020 15:43:25 16 5
bbc
Sorry but a just can't get excited about the £300m Sports Winter Survival Package. It is the same old sports, those that sell their souls to broadcaster and are happy to take on numerous sponsors all of whom still want to take their pound of flesh even when the going gets rough. Where is the support for amateur clubs such as swimming, gymnastics etc. I guess their profile isn't as big as kickball.
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19/11/2020 15:51:45 0 0
bbc
Money for non league clubs but nothing for the EFL ones.
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19/11/2020 15:52:36 7 3
bbc
Sports clubs are set up by their members and for the benefit of their members. So they should be financed by their members. We are well past the time when we need 92 professional football clubs. Some of them need to go part-time or merge with other local teams
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19/11/2020 16:17:04 5 3
bbc
Clubs, especially lower in the league are the heartbeat of towns and villages
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19/11/2020 17:21:11 0 0
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Start organising colonel. You sound like Beeching.
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19/11/2020 15:52:54 34 2
bbc
This is appalling. £300m for these sports, many of which should be looking after themselves. LTA - £5m is absolute drop in the ocean when they are sat in a NTC that cost £150m and they have commercial deals that generate huge sums. Yet, to date the only funding agreed for local authority leisure centres, which underpin the health of the nation, is £100m!! absolutely bonkers!
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19/11/2020 17:41:46 8 6
bbc
Appalling 5m for white old boys club LTA. Squandering money and nothing delivering anything for years! Wimbledon are getting pandemic payout to the tune of billions. Let them throw some pocket money at the LTA!
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19/11/2020 15:53:25 7 0
bbc
For goodness same get the people who take millions out the sport they love to put millions back in Sky BT Amazon google it’s a no brainer
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19/11/2020 15:54:31 6 6
bbc
Don't know why Premiership rugby snoozion gets so much: they've always been loaded. Meanwhile the RU women get nowt.

Surprised cricket gets nothing (based on Sky bankroll as much as rugby); still since the gov't hates the sport nearly as much as the ECB, should we be surprised?
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19/11/2020 16:18:32 3 0
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How many prem rugby clubs turn a profit? Not sure where you get the notion that they are loaded. Far from the truth.
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19/11/2020 16:46:33 2 0
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I can't think that cricket in this country loses much income during the winter.
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19/11/2020 15:47:02 2 2
bbc
The Premier League and the Championship i understand. But clubs in League One and below are facing the end. Most of these clubs are over 120 years old. If there is no grass roots football, other than the lager louts playing Sunday League, then there is no development in our game...
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19/11/2020 15:55:53 0 2
bbc
The big clubs no longer rely on recruiting talent from the lower league. They invest in their own academies and buy players from all over the world. There are too many professional clubs. Many need to go part-time or merge with other teams.
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19/11/2020 15:56:29 2 1
bbc
I had to double check it wasn't the 1st April.
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19/11/2020 15:46:43 62 2
bbc
tennis !! Wimbledon's insurance policy is paying out £174M .....£74M than expected..........cant they pay for themselves
58
19/11/2020 15:57:37 29 3
bbc
People cough up thousands for centre court final tickets. Surely they've go plenty iof money to give to the All England club to keep it going?
37
19/11/2020 15:48:06 26 5
bbc
Nothing for speedway?
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19/11/2020 15:57:51 0 2
bbc
Ask the bike manufacturers
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19/11/2020 15:32:11 6 7
bbc
Professional RU clubs in Scotland & Northern Ireland that on my map are north of the M62 ;-)
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19/11/2020 15:58:39 12 2
bbc
If you bother to read the article you will see that the money is for England. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are responsible for their own budgets, which makes your comment irrelevant.
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19/11/2020 18:04:15 4 5
bbc
Leicester/Northampton/Coventry/Glouster/Worcester may be to the south of you, but they can be by no definition described as the 'South'. Try telling someone from the Midlands they are from the 'South' you will get short shrift. Your North / South argument is too simple
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19/11/2020 15:59:59 7 0
bbc
Where is all this money coming from?
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19/11/2020 16:05:26 11 0
bbc
Your future tax bill.
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19/11/2020 16:16:06 0 0
bbc
Magic money forest
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19/11/2020 16:17:26 1 0
bbc
The magic money tree... The same one that provides furlough payments.
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19/11/2020 18:26:31 1 0
bbc
Most of the money provided are loans as previously mentioned.
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19/11/2020 15:48:09 1 0
bbc
The premier league is already sorting a rescue package for EFL clubs.
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19/11/2020 16:00:28 0 0
bbc
Hopefully so - that is good news.
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19/11/2020 16:00:30 5 2
bbc
hopefully we can also keep auditors in business as i am sure a good chunk of this bailout wont be used for its actual purpose.
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19/11/2020 15:37:05 100 5
bbc
The bookies should be chipping in for Horse Racing & Greyhounds....

They've sure made billions over the years from those two...
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19/11/2020 16:01:42 14 3
bbc
The studs that get their gee gees on the front pages should pay as well
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19/11/2020 16:04:29 36 8
bbc
Why is horse racing getting money? Race horse owners are multi-millionaire, gambling makes a fortune out of racing so why is my tax money bailing that industry out apart from a number fo Conservatives seem to have a vested interest in that industry. I get rugby, tennis, netball, etc as these have in good times slender financial support but why am I bailing out rich people?
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19/11/2020 16:30:46 4 17
bbc
Its not all about you though is it
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19/11/2020 16:43:06 5 0
bbc
The support is in the form of LOANS - not a handout.

Does nobody read things properly anymore before mouthing off?
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19/11/2020 17:06:15 5 0
bbc
You’re not. The grant money is going to the UK’s racecourses which are sports venues, exactly the same as football and rugby stadiums. They have lost their spectators too so, like any other sports venue, they have no income from the gate fee either. No money is going to the racehorse owners.
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19/11/2020 16:04:47 38 11
bbc
Why all the money to rugby union? Old boy network still alive and kicking.
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19/11/2020 16:45:05 11 9
bbc
RU has by far the biggest gap between outgoings and expected (now lost) income. It's that simple.
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19/11/2020 16:04:57 1 4
bbc
Basketball 4 million with the Hugh amount of community involvement for thousands of youngsters in many deprived areas. Compare that to the £5 million the LTA are receiving. A bit bemused with that one.
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19/11/2020 16:13:07 0 0
bbc
Huge!! Sorry.
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19/11/2020 16:16:44 2 0
bbc
Is probably based on participation numbers..... Surprisingly more people play tennis than basketball.
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19/11/2020 16:45:22 0 0
bbc
Think about the relative outgoings and lost income of these sports.
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19/11/2020 15:59:59 7 0
bbc
Where is all this money coming from?
68
19/11/2020 16:05:26 11 0
bbc
Your future tax bill.
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19/11/2020 16:05:27 1 1
bbc
Fans = spreaders.

Duh.
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19/11/2020 17:23:36 0 0
bbc
? How do you get that idea. Duh
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19/11/2020 15:30:37 42 26
bbc
There is nothing for either the Premier or English Football League, suggest you bother to actually read the article.
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19/11/2020 16:06:10 7 8
bbc
Point stands.

Ballkickers fund yourselves.
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19/11/2020 16:07:02 18 6
bbc
The contrast of Rugby Union receiving 10x the support given to League is not lost on us... so much for the Tories' northern powerhouse and red wall...! That said, I fully expect it's our administrators' incompetence for not asking...

(nb before all the unionistes chip in, not saying it's not a larger scale sport, but not 10x... and Premiership attendance/viewers certainly not 5x, implied here)
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19/11/2020 16:09:15 6 5
bbc
Well said, Sir
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19/11/2020 16:28:21 6 1
bbc
I don't recall Labour ever doing much for Rugby League... ?? (from a RL fan)
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19/11/2020 16:40:03 3 1
bbc
Try comparing lost incomes & ongoing costs - attendance, viewing figures and geography (you know RU is played north of Birmingham, right?) are totally irrelevant.
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19/11/2020 16:07:07 6 1
bbc
Ball-kickers.

Sort yourselves.
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19/11/2020 15:47:02 2 2
bbc
The Premier League and the Championship i understand. But clubs in League One and below are facing the end. Most of these clubs are over 120 years old. If there is no grass roots football, other than the lager louts playing Sunday League, then there is no development in our game...
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19/11/2020 16:08:22 0 0
bbc
And the elite players end up playing pass the parcel into their 50s
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19/11/2020 16:08:34 3 6
bbc
Elite get the most..
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19/11/2020 16:08:36 6 8
bbc
So almost 50% of the £300m goes to Rugby Union. Rugby League gets just 4%.
Mmmm ... we know what flavour of govt we have don't we.
Tennis and badminton seemingly getting more than what might be argued is their fair share.
Mmmmm this govt doesn't care much for the North of England
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19/11/2020 16:22:35 2 0
bbc
Absolutely-RL gets £12m in total--RU Clubs below Championship: £23m-I mean who worked that out!
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19/11/2020 16:24:52 0 1
bbc
It wouldn't matter which government was in charge, Rugby League has been ignored for generations, and that includes the biased Rugby Union loving southern based media too!
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19/11/2020 15:24:22 102 15
bbc
there is enough money floating about in professional football not to require any bail out. especially when they can afford £400,000 a week wages to one player
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19/11/2020 16:09:10 2 9
bbc
Presumably, that's because there are millions of people around the planet wishing to pay to watch those footballers play. Maybe stop whining about other people's success, make your sport more marketable, and you too will have lots of money.
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19/11/2020 16:07:02 18 6
bbc
The contrast of Rugby Union receiving 10x the support given to League is not lost on us... so much for the Tories' northern powerhouse and red wall...! That said, I fully expect it's our administrators' incompetence for not asking...

(nb before all the unionistes chip in, not saying it's not a larger scale sport, but not 10x... and Premiership attendance/viewers certainly not 5x, implied here)
77
19/11/2020 16:09:15 6 5
bbc
Well said, Sir
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19/11/2020 16:09:25 1 3
bbc
Rugby is far more reliant on fans in turnstiles and spending in the bars than most other sports. With an average premiership club having a salary bill of £7 million, the amount per club in loans seems about right. Remember most premiership clubs are running at a loss also. Its a misconception that rugby is awash with money.
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19/11/2020 16:17:47 4 2
bbc
By comparison Superleague Rugby League clubs have a salary cap of 2.1m compared to a Premiership Rugby Union clubs cap of 5 million. Both have similar attendances so I don't understand why the enormous difference in funding of 135m to 12m.
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19/11/2020 16:10:05 5 5
bbc
Ice Hockey is all Canadians with a smattering of Scandinadians, and has near zero scope in the UK, why waste money on it?
And Horse and Greyhound Racing aren't sports.
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19/11/2020 17:25:37 0 0
bbc
Better than wasting it on Brussels.
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19/11/2020 16:10:26 1 0
bbc
Amused at who gets what.
Obviously some sports either undervalue themselves or others do.
Other sports overvalue themselves or others do.
Perhaps some sports are more financially viable than others.
It’s interesting that the sports themselves were involved in the process working from the bottom up.
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Rob
19/11/2020 16:10:55 2 2
bbc
Certianlly on the football side this money is not going to the elite. My non league club runds loads of kids teams, U23 teams and is a real part of the community. Lots of the income for small clubs are via the bar, which is closed. You may not love sport but atleast it is not going to the Tory's chums. We need these teams/venues when we are back to normal.
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19/11/2020 16:14:03 2 2
bbc
Horse racing? Hancock and Dido Harding are both well in with that crowd..
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19/11/2020 15:50:05 19 27
bbc
Plenty of northern Union teams.
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19/11/2020 16:11:53 11 3
bbc
Plenty of southern rugby league teams as well
44
19/11/2020 15:50:05 19 27
bbc
Plenty of northern Union teams.
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19/11/2020 16:12:39 3 4
bbc
Your view is so blinkered
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19/11/2020 16:04:57 1 4
bbc
Basketball 4 million with the Hugh amount of community involvement for thousands of youngsters in many deprived areas. Compare that to the £5 million the LTA are receiving. A bit bemused with that one.
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19/11/2020 16:13:07 0 0
bbc
Huge!! Sorry.
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19/11/2020 16:13:44 3 2
bbc
Surprised nothing for League 1 & 2 teams they rely on gate receipts more than TV income and are being hardest hit by not being allowed fans back into games.
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19/11/2020 16:21:24 1 1
bbc
maybe take a look at players wages, then ask why they are being paid so much as a league 1 or 2 player. Over 70% of football clubs income is spent on players wages. Not sustainable and certainly not for tax payers to bail them out.
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Rob
19/11/2020 16:10:55 2 2
bbc
Certianlly on the football side this money is not going to the elite. My non league club runds loads of kids teams, U23 teams and is a real part of the community. Lots of the income for small clubs are via the bar, which is closed. You may not love sport but atleast it is not going to the Tory's chums. We need these teams/venues when we are back to normal.
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19/11/2020 16:14:03 2 2
bbc
Horse racing? Hancock and Dido Harding are both well in with that crowd..
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19/11/2020 16:29:21 0 0
bbc
And
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19/11/2020 16:14:12 3 0
bbc
2 bars for badminton........?????
Ya know what I mean ?
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Ian
19/11/2020 16:14:41 23 3
bbc
Complete farce!

Why is Elite level RU getting huge support when it's urgently required at grass roots level in all sports?
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19/11/2020 16:19:34 7 2
bbc
Because the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
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19/11/2020 16:15:04 0 4
bbc
But they’ll give away billions to keep failing companies afloat that are owned by billionaires
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19/11/2020 15:59:59 7 0
bbc
Where is all this money coming from?
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19/11/2020 16:16:06 0 0
bbc
Magic money forest
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19/11/2020 15:24:57 5 15
bbc
About £300m, of which I make it £14m for women's sport (plus that for horse racing). Says a lot about who made the decisions.
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19/11/2020 16:16:22 2 0
bbc
... ok, and while we're discussing women's sport, equal Wimbledon prize money for men and women is a disgrace
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19/11/2020 16:16:33 10 3
bbc
Glad Football is not on the list, the sheer amount of money in that sport means they should look after their own, not expect the government to bail them out.
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19/11/2020 16:20:36 11 3
bbc
I guess you mean top flight football.

EFL and non league clubs are not loaded with money at all.
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19/11/2020 16:50:14 1 0
bbc
Maybe tell that to all of the lower league footballers who most probably earn less than you..so as Tesco made a 28% increase in profits shouldn't they bail out the small businesses who have been forced to close and who's business they took? illogical thinking from someone who wants a few likes for bashing the wrong people
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19/11/2020 16:04:57 1 4
bbc
Basketball 4 million with the Hugh amount of community involvement for thousands of youngsters in many deprived areas. Compare that to the £5 million the LTA are receiving. A bit bemused with that one.
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19/11/2020 16:16:44 2 0
bbc
Is probably based on participation numbers..... Surprisingly more people play tennis than basketball.
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19/11/2020 15:52:36 7 3
bbc
Sports clubs are set up by their members and for the benefit of their members. So they should be financed by their members. We are well past the time when we need 92 professional football clubs. Some of them need to go part-time or merge with other local teams
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19/11/2020 16:17:04 5 3
bbc
Clubs, especially lower in the league are the heartbeat of towns and villages
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19/11/2020 17:39:34 0 0
bbc
No they are not, most couldn’t care less.
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19/11/2020 15:59:59 7 0
bbc
Where is all this money coming from?
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19/11/2020 16:17:26 1 0
bbc
The magic money tree... The same one that provides furlough payments.
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19/11/2020 16:17:35 8 1
bbc
Money wasted on motorsport
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19/11/2020 16:33:44 1 1
bbc
Why is it wasted?
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19/11/2020 15:39:03 6 2
bbc
Comparative expenditure is supported by a much higher settlement from Sky and BT, despite significantly lower viewing figures
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19/11/2020 16:17:43 3 0
bbc
You are right, this also has nothing to do with viewing figures.
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19/11/2020 16:09:25 1 3
bbc
Rugby is far more reliant on fans in turnstiles and spending in the bars than most other sports. With an average premiership club having a salary bill of £7 million, the amount per club in loans seems about right. Remember most premiership clubs are running at a loss also. Its a misconception that rugby is awash with money.
98
19/11/2020 16:17:47 4 2
bbc
By comparison Superleague Rugby League clubs have a salary cap of 2.1m compared to a Premiership Rugby Union clubs cap of 5 million. Both have similar attendances so I don't understand why the enormous difference in funding of 135m to 12m.
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19/11/2020 15:54:31 6 6
bbc
Don't know why Premiership rugby snoozion gets so much: they've always been loaded. Meanwhile the RU women get nowt.

Surprised cricket gets nothing (based on Sky bankroll as much as rugby); still since the gov't hates the sport nearly as much as the ECB, should we be surprised?
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19/11/2020 16:18:32 3 0
bbc
How many prem rugby clubs turn a profit? Not sure where you get the notion that they are loaded. Far from the truth.
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19/11/2020 16:18:44 2 3
bbc
Money is a store of value. A promise of work to be done.

When you print it and hand it out in exchange for no work ... well then it is worth no work rather than some work.

If you keep treating our currency like it is limitless and easy to come by, it will be worthless in no time.
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19/11/2020 18:29:06 0 0
bbc
Money is much more than a store of value, and afraid your argument is overly simplistic. When markets fail, especially due to an external shock, it is in the public interest for a community to use shared wealth (or debt) to mitigate it... especially when you consider the positive multipler effect of maintaining transactions at some level vs. zero transactions.