Thiem beats Nadal at ATP Finals
17/11/2020 | sport | tennis | 112
Dominic Thiem becomes the first man to move into the semi-finals of the ATP Finals event in London.
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17/11/2020 17:53:44 5 2
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Really enjoyed that match. I think there are at least 4 potential winners this year.
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17/11/2020 17:55:18 9 10
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Hopefully Theim wins the tournament.

The game needs new guys winning these type of tournaments so that it attracts the younger audience.

Kids dont really want to watch older guys winning it.
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17/11/2020 18:04:36 6 0
bbc
Must be hard watching 3 great players getting the best of each other...
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17/11/2020 18:07:00 5 0
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Tsitsipas is the defending champion.
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17/11/2020 18:28:01 4 0
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Zverev and Dimitrov before Tsitsipas, Murray before that...
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17/11/2020 22:37:20 0 0
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Ah yes - the kids - the restless, fidgety, no attention-span novelty-obsessed kids who can't focus on one thing for ten minutes.

A developmental psychologist I worked with pointed out that the most powerful predictor of intellect in a small child is a long attention span.

Because the rest of them drift off to something new before they've had a chance to learn anything. And we encourage this!
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joe
17/11/2020 17:56:56 10 1
bbc
Great win anyone beating the big 3 is great achievement and must be applauded
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17/11/2020 17:59:04 8 3
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Thiem will never dominate like Fed/Nad/Djok but he can enter the fray of GS winners now. I suspect it'll be short lived as many 18-25 year olds on his heels.

In fairness to Nadal - this is never a tournament at which he has excelled - think I'm right in stating that he's only won one elite level indoor tournament in his career and this surface has never suited him
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17/11/2020 18:05:45 5 6
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Well that's his own fault, indoor hard is probably the most middle ground set-up on the tour.

No wind, no temperature change, no bad bounces etc, court conditions don't change at all on indoor hard courts to favour/hinder anyone.
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17/11/2020 22:05:58 0 0
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"but he can enter the fray of GS winners now"

Handy, given he's already won a GS.
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18/11/2020 04:17:38 1 0
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He won the Madrid Masters when it was indoors, but was taken to 5 sets in the final by Ljubicic. The Brasil Open in 2013 that he won, was held indoors, but it was still on clay courts.
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18/11/2020 10:29:32 0 0
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How do you know he will never dominate? He's won a slam, regularly getting to finals now, he had already overtaken Rog before the surgery and holds a winning head to head over him, he has beaten Djokovic and Nadal multiple times including slams, and Nadal multiple times on clay. He is currently at a much higher level than Zverev, Medvedev and Tistisipas, they are nowhere near as good at the mo
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17/11/2020 17:59:16 14 0
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There really is an I in Theim...
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17/11/2020 22:05:17 6 0
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There's an I in Thiem, too.
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17/11/2020 18:01:17 6 6
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Thiem was the better player for most of the match, done well to get over not winning the match earlier too.

Nadal played patchy by his standards, some great stuff but uncharacteristic cheap UE's too.

It becomes monotonous + predictable to watch with the constant FH topspin spamming to single-handed BH's though.
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17/11/2020 18:03:03 4 0
bbc
Wonderful match and excellent coverage, thank you. I think you've got the wrong matches down for Thursday, those ones have already happened.
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17/11/2020 17:55:18 9 10
bbc
Hopefully Theim wins the tournament.

The game needs new guys winning these type of tournaments so that it attracts the younger audience.

Kids dont really want to watch older guys winning it.
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17/11/2020 18:04:36 6 0
bbc
Must be hard watching 3 great players getting the best of each other...
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17/11/2020 17:59:04 8 3
bbc
Thiem will never dominate like Fed/Nad/Djok but he can enter the fray of GS winners now. I suspect it'll be short lived as many 18-25 year olds on his heels.

In fairness to Nadal - this is never a tournament at which he has excelled - think I'm right in stating that he's only won one elite level indoor tournament in his career and this surface has never suited him
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17/11/2020 18:05:45 5 6
bbc
Well that's his own fault, indoor hard is probably the most middle ground set-up on the tour.

No wind, no temperature change, no bad bounces etc, court conditions don't change at all on indoor hard courts to favour/hinder anyone.
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17/11/2020 18:15:40 1 1
bbc
Harsh to say this after today's match where there was very little between them both playing at their best but the gulf between nadal and thiem on clay is definitely greater on hard and it makes for the most attractive match up in mens tennis these days on hard courts where the margins are much finer
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18/11/2020 02:06:25 2 0
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You definitely know your tennis. Why Nadal has not won more indoor tournaments is a mystery. Especially as nearly all the indoor surfaces are slow and medium slow at best. Which suits Nadal. This is certainly a stain on his tennis career....
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18/11/2020 10:28:47 0 1
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Yeah, ok mate, and I bet they will be playing golf indoors in the next century!!!!
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17/11/2020 17:55:18 9 10
bbc
Hopefully Theim wins the tournament.

The game needs new guys winning these type of tournaments so that it attracts the younger audience.

Kids dont really want to watch older guys winning it.
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17/11/2020 18:07:00 5 0
bbc
Tsitsipas is the defending champion.
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17/11/2020 18:05:45 5 6
bbc
Well that's his own fault, indoor hard is probably the most middle ground set-up on the tour.

No wind, no temperature change, no bad bounces etc, court conditions don't change at all on indoor hard courts to favour/hinder anyone.
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17/11/2020 18:15:40 1 1
bbc
Harsh to say this after today's match where there was very little between them both playing at their best but the gulf between nadal and thiem on clay is definitely greater on hard and it makes for the most attractive match up in mens tennis these days on hard courts where the margins are much finer
I really don't understand why BBC cover minor sports in the UK like Tennis and American Football so strongly. Tennis in the UK is a sport almost exclusively followed by posh older women so maybe the wives of BBC executives have been pushing this sport onto the front page. I'm sure we'll see Dressage and Yachting news on here soon. Removed
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17/11/2020 18:36:11 8 2
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As it's far better than watching paint dry I meant football ??. Some people don't understand great athlete's at the top of their game doing amazing thing's with a racket / ball for hour's day after day.
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17/11/2020 19:06:21 4 0
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Yeah, why is that the BBC allow some people so much air time for their minority sport of trolling others on message boards?

As for the tennis, what a superb match today.
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17/11/2020 18:17:36 10 1
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Wondering off the back of Thiems recent victories here against Djokovic and Rafa and at grand slams how many slams he would already have had he been playing in a different era. Definitely on his way to win more but most interestingly how many will he win in the next couple years where nadal and djokovic are still fighting it out for slams
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-_-
17/11/2020 19:26:58 8 0
bbc
Thiem definitely looks to be next in line as a regular serious slam contender. Many of the younger players don't seem to have the consistency yet.
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17/11/2020 19:40:13 1 0
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Definitely a few more slams, but you could say that about a lot of players really.... Murray, Wawrinka, Del Pot, Roddick would have all won a lot more.

Real question is what if Sampras & Agassi (and others) played at their peak in the Fed/Nadal/Djok era?
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17/11/2020 20:09:34 1 0
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Looks like it but best of 5 is a different ball game. Best of 3 is anyone's game with the level of these top players but the fine margins expand over 5 sets. Of course he's edging closer and closer though.
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17/11/2020 17:55:18 9 10
bbc
Hopefully Theim wins the tournament.

The game needs new guys winning these type of tournaments so that it attracts the younger audience.

Kids dont really want to watch older guys winning it.
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17/11/2020 18:28:01 4 0
bbc
Zverev and Dimitrov before Tsitsipas, Murray before that...
I really don't understand why BBC cover minor sports in the UK like Tennis and American Football so strongly. Tennis in the UK is a sport almost exclusively followed by posh older women so maybe the wives of BBC executives have been pushing this sport onto the front page. I'm sure we'll see Dressage and Yachting news on here soon. Removed
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17/11/2020 18:36:11 8 2
bbc
As it's far better than watching paint dry I meant football ??. Some people don't understand great athlete's at the top of their game doing amazing thing's with a racket / ball for hour's day after day.
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17/11/2020 19:03:59 5 0
bbc
When you've got time, Stephen, please read up on the use of apostrophes.
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17/11/2020 18:36:11 8 2
bbc
As it's far better than watching paint dry I meant football ??. Some people don't understand great athlete's at the top of their game doing amazing thing's with a racket / ball for hour's day after day.
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17/11/2020 19:03:59 5 0
bbc
When you've got time, Stephen, please read up on the use of apostrophes.
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17/11/2020 19:05:03 18 10
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Shame we have to listen to the inane blathering of Castle, at least Henman has an idea of what top level tennis is
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17/11/2020 19:33:02 7 0
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I know. And they talk through the points. I wish it was possible to mute the commentary but keep ambient sound.
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17/11/2020 20:27:20 1 1
bbc
So just turn the sound down and listen to any random AC/DC album.they in their infinatenvariety would happily take you through Wimbledon
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17/11/2020 21:01:01 1 1
bbc
He sounds like a fan who won a contest to commentate for the day whenever any of the big 3 or 1 of the Brits are playing.
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17/11/2020 22:29:28 1 1
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I will take Castle over Sam Smith all day long
I really don't understand why BBC cover minor sports in the UK like Tennis and American Football so strongly. Tennis in the UK is a sport almost exclusively followed by posh older women so maybe the wives of BBC executives have been pushing this sport onto the front page. I'm sure we'll see Dressage and Yachting news on here soon. Removed
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17/11/2020 19:06:21 4 0
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Yeah, why is that the BBC allow some people so much air time for their minority sport of trolling others on message boards?

As for the tennis, what a superb match today.
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17/11/2020 18:17:36 10 1
bbc
Wondering off the back of Thiems recent victories here against Djokovic and Rafa and at grand slams how many slams he would already have had he been playing in a different era. Definitely on his way to win more but most interestingly how many will he win in the next couple years where nadal and djokovic are still fighting it out for slams
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-_-
17/11/2020 19:26:58 8 0
bbc
Thiem definitely looks to be next in line as a regular serious slam contender. Many of the younger players don't seem to have the consistency yet.
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17/11/2020 19:38:02 3 0
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Agreed, he has no fear of the big three & with increasingly good reason.
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18/11/2020 00:05:15 0 0
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Yep and not even sure their consistencies are good enough to beat the top 2 at the moment. Maybe a zverev serving exceptionally well but i dont think tsitsipas for example has that sort of weapon where if it's working his opponents might not have a say in the match. Thiem is the only guy who I feel like can win matches against nole and rafa on his own racket and combined with his mentality is huge
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17/11/2020 19:05:03 18 10
bbc
Shame we have to listen to the inane blathering of Castle, at least Henman has an idea of what top level tennis is
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17/11/2020 19:33:02 7 0
bbc
I know. And they talk through the points. I wish it was possible to mute the commentary but keep ambient sound.
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-_-
17/11/2020 19:26:58 8 0
bbc
Thiem definitely looks to be next in line as a regular serious slam contender. Many of the younger players don't seem to have the consistency yet.
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17/11/2020 19:38:02 3 0
bbc
Agreed, he has no fear of the big three & with increasingly good reason.
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17/11/2020 19:38:53 4 0
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Brilliant match to watch, very high standard that never dropped.
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17/11/2020 18:17:36 10 1
bbc
Wondering off the back of Thiems recent victories here against Djokovic and Rafa and at grand slams how many slams he would already have had he been playing in a different era. Definitely on his way to win more but most interestingly how many will he win in the next couple years where nadal and djokovic are still fighting it out for slams
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17/11/2020 19:40:13 1 0
bbc
Definitely a few more slams, but you could say that about a lot of players really.... Murray, Wawrinka, Del Pot, Roddick would have all won a lot more.

Real question is what if Sampras & Agassi (and others) played at their peak in the Fed/Nadal/Djok era?
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17/11/2020 20:02:20 6 0
bbc
Cracking match, looked like it could have been a final but you've still got the two previous years winners, the Paris masters winner and a certain Serbian involved too. Very open tournament
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17/11/2020 22:32:50 2 1
bbc
Might still be the final!
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17/11/2020 18:17:36 10 1
bbc
Wondering off the back of Thiems recent victories here against Djokovic and Rafa and at grand slams how many slams he would already have had he been playing in a different era. Definitely on his way to win more but most interestingly how many will he win in the next couple years where nadal and djokovic are still fighting it out for slams
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17/11/2020 20:09:34 1 0
bbc
Looks like it but best of 5 is a different ball game. Best of 3 is anyone's game with the level of these top players but the fine margins expand over 5 sets. Of course he's edging closer and closer though.
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18/11/2020 00:03:07 2 0
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Yep but he has the tools now to beat these guys over 5 sets, not just compete with them. He's for me the only guy who has suitable weapons to beat djokovic and nadal and he's found the consistency to redline his game as well as dealing with the big moments well. A combination of his mental +physical condition right now seems to be up there with nadal and djokovic. Not sure the others are there yet
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17/11/2020 19:05:03 18 10
bbc
Shame we have to listen to the inane blathering of Castle, at least Henman has an idea of what top level tennis is
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17/11/2020 20:27:20 1 1
bbc
So just turn the sound down and listen to any random AC/DC album.they in their infinatenvariety would happily take you through Wimbledon
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17/11/2020 20:47:36 2 2
bbc
Funny old game tennis

Nadal is close to unbeatable on clay but vulnerable on other surfaces. Just goes to show it's a different skillset on clay and with it a different mindset
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17/11/2020 20:59:49 3 2
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It's that extra topspin the strings on Nadal's racket generate more than anything, on clay it's near uncontrollable for most SHBH's or in Thiem's case he ends up in the same boat as DHBH's, being pushed way back behind the baseline and opening the court up for Nadal.

People will take it the wrong way but I don't think any other player has benefitted from modern racket technology more than Nadal.
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17/11/2020 20:47:36 2 2
bbc
Funny old game tennis

Nadal is close to unbeatable on clay but vulnerable on other surfaces. Just goes to show it's a different skillset on clay and with it a different mindset
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17/11/2020 20:59:49 3 2
bbc
It's that extra topspin the strings on Nadal's racket generate more than anything, on clay it's near uncontrollable for most SHBH's or in Thiem's case he ends up in the same boat as DHBH's, being pushed way back behind the baseline and opening the court up for Nadal.

People will take it the wrong way but I don't think any other player has benefitted from modern racket technology more than Nadal.
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17/11/2020 22:18:56 3 0
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You are spot on. The topspin Nadal generates causes the ball to kick in an extreme way. It is as much of an advantage to him as big servers got from serving on fast surfaces. There are no fast surfaces anymore though...but we still have slow clay. String technology and slowing court surfaces have both hugely benefitted Nadal.
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18/11/2020 01:45:35 2 3
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Nadal has won 4 US Opens
More than Djoko and that's on a hard court

Maybe Nadal is just a phenomenal player

Imagine if more GS were on clay though, instead of just the French Open.
He would have at least 30÷ GS by now.
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17/11/2020 19:05:03 18 10
bbc
Shame we have to listen to the inane blathering of Castle, at least Henman has an idea of what top level tennis is
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17/11/2020 21:01:01 1 1
bbc
He sounds like a fan who won a contest to commentate for the day whenever any of the big 3 or 1 of the Brits are playing.
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17/11/2020 17:59:16 14 0
bbc
There really is an I in Theim...
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17/11/2020 22:05:17 6 0
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There's an I in Thiem, too.
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17/11/2020 17:59:04 8 3
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Thiem will never dominate like Fed/Nad/Djok but he can enter the fray of GS winners now. I suspect it'll be short lived as many 18-25 year olds on his heels.

In fairness to Nadal - this is never a tournament at which he has excelled - think I'm right in stating that he's only won one elite level indoor tournament in his career and this surface has never suited him
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17/11/2020 22:05:58 0 0
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"but he can enter the fray of GS winners now"

Handy, given he's already won a GS.
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17/11/2020 20:59:49 3 2
bbc
It's that extra topspin the strings on Nadal's racket generate more than anything, on clay it's near uncontrollable for most SHBH's or in Thiem's case he ends up in the same boat as DHBH's, being pushed way back behind the baseline and opening the court up for Nadal.

People will take it the wrong way but I don't think any other player has benefitted from modern racket technology more than Nadal.
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17/11/2020 22:18:56 3 0
bbc
You are spot on. The topspin Nadal generates causes the ball to kick in an extreme way. It is as much of an advantage to him as big servers got from serving on fast surfaces. There are no fast surfaces anymore though...but we still have slow clay. String technology and slowing court surfaces have both hugely benefitted Nadal.
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MT
17/11/2020 22:39:27 2 3
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If that is true, then why don't other clay court players win as much as Nadal does? Lopez, Robredo, Nalbandian and Ferrer are all more or less the same age/era as Nadal.
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17/11/2020 22:21:39 1 3
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all nadal has to show for his efforts is $121 million dollars winnings and 20 slams
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17/11/2020 22:26:23 5 2
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So glad the tour finals are indoors and on at least a medium speed court. I really hope the surface is not slow clay when they move to Turin. Recently watched Evans v Dimitrov. So great to see players attack the net with fast hands and court craft. We need surfaces to reward ALL type of player to keep it interesting.
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18/11/2020 01:43:22 5 0
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Well said. Unfortunately, nearly all the surfaces are now very slow, slow or medium slow. There are hardly any surfaces that are fast. This stifles the variety and integrity of the game. And it won't change anytime soon. Or at least not until Nadal and Djokovic decide to call it a day...
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17/11/2020 19:05:03 18 10
bbc
Shame we have to listen to the inane blathering of Castle, at least Henman has an idea of what top level tennis is
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17/11/2020 22:29:28 1 1
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I will take Castle over Sam Smith all day long
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18/11/2020 01:50:32 1 0
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Why?
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17/11/2020 22:31:43 2 1
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I had tickets for today ??
Excellent match, their US Open quarter final in 2018 is the best tennis match I have ever seen, this one really delivered too a classic.
Rublev and Tsitisipas was great too after a very one sided start
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17/11/2020 20:02:20 6 0
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Cracking match, looked like it could have been a final but you've still got the two previous years winners, the Paris masters winner and a certain Serbian involved too. Very open tournament
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17/11/2020 22:32:50 2 1
bbc
Might still be the final!
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17/11/2020 22:51:29 0 0
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Yeh!
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17/11/2020 17:55:18 9 10
bbc
Hopefully Theim wins the tournament.

The game needs new guys winning these type of tournaments so that it attracts the younger audience.

Kids dont really want to watch older guys winning it.
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17/11/2020 22:37:20 0 0
bbc
Ah yes - the kids - the restless, fidgety, no attention-span novelty-obsessed kids who can't focus on one thing for ten minutes.

A developmental psychologist I worked with pointed out that the most powerful predictor of intellect in a small child is a long attention span.

Because the rest of them drift off to something new before they've had a chance to learn anything. And we encourage this!
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18/11/2020 22:58:32 0 0
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Calm down guys. What i meant was younger players winning these tournaments is good for game. jeez!!
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17/11/2020 22:18:56 3 0
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You are spot on. The topspin Nadal generates causes the ball to kick in an extreme way. It is as much of an advantage to him as big servers got from serving on fast surfaces. There are no fast surfaces anymore though...but we still have slow clay. String technology and slowing court surfaces have both hugely benefitted Nadal.
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MT
17/11/2020 22:39:27 2 3
bbc
If that is true, then why don't other clay court players win as much as Nadal does? Lopez, Robredo, Nalbandian and Ferrer are all more or less the same age/era as Nadal.
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17/11/2020 23:45:45 2 0
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The ONLY player on your list remotely like Nadal is Ferrer. And his forhand is nothing like Nadal's. If Nadal had a more conventional forhand he would be better indoors and less successful on clay. I agree with the original point. String tech has enhanced his greatness - especially on clay - as it suits his forhand.
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18/11/2020 04:07:46 0 0
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Lopez and Nalbandian are/were not clay court specialists, none of the players you've listed hit with anywhere near as much spin as Nadal. Robredo hit with a lot of spin, but ultra defensively, hence the accusations of moonballing.
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17/11/2020 22:42:13 7 0
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Dani and Tim were discussing on Prime whether Thiem is actually now a better hardcourt player than clay court, a year ago you would say that was crazy but now it is an argument.
The quality of both his matches this week have been world class. Zverev and Medvedev were both poor yesterday. Thiem's level is up their with the very best now, the others below him are still quite far behind
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17/11/2020 23:58:48 3 2
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I still think he's better on clay as it's relative to the competition on each surface. Nadals tennis on clay is unrivalled so although Thiem hasn't won there he certainly would have a couple if it wasnt for nadals dominance and I wouldn't say there is anyone on a hard court who's as invincible as nadal is on clay.
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17/11/2020 22:32:50 2 1
bbc
Might still be the final!
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17/11/2020 22:51:29 0 0
bbc
Yeh!
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MT
17/11/2020 22:39:27 2 3
bbc
If that is true, then why don't other clay court players win as much as Nadal does? Lopez, Robredo, Nalbandian and Ferrer are all more or less the same age/era as Nadal.
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17/11/2020 23:45:45 2 0
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The ONLY player on your list remotely like Nadal is Ferrer. And his forhand is nothing like Nadal's. If Nadal had a more conventional forhand he would be better indoors and less successful on clay. I agree with the original point. String tech has enhanced his greatness - especially on clay - as it suits his forhand.
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17/11/2020 22:42:13 7 0
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Dani and Tim were discussing on Prime whether Thiem is actually now a better hardcourt player than clay court, a year ago you would say that was crazy but now it is an argument.
The quality of both his matches this week have been world class. Zverev and Medvedev were both poor yesterday. Thiem's level is up their with the very best now, the others below him are still quite far behind
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17/11/2020 23:58:48 3 2
bbc
I still think he's better on clay as it's relative to the competition on each surface. Nadals tennis on clay is unrivalled so although Thiem hasn't won there he certainly would have a couple if it wasnt for nadals dominance and I wouldn't say there is anyone on a hard court who's as invincible as nadal is on clay.
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18/11/2020 08:46:04 1 0
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I'm a massive Thiem fan, I think at the moment yes slightly better on clay but the fact it is even a debate now is a testament to how much he has improved in the last year
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17/11/2020 20:09:34 1 0
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Looks like it but best of 5 is a different ball game. Best of 3 is anyone's game with the level of these top players but the fine margins expand over 5 sets. Of course he's edging closer and closer though.
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18/11/2020 00:03:07 2 0
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Yep but he has the tools now to beat these guys over 5 sets, not just compete with them. He's for me the only guy who has suitable weapons to beat djokovic and nadal and he's found the consistency to redline his game as well as dealing with the big moments well. A combination of his mental +physical condition right now seems to be up there with nadal and djokovic. Not sure the others are there yet
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17/11/2020 19:26:58 8 0
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Thiem definitely looks to be next in line as a regular serious slam contender. Many of the younger players don't seem to have the consistency yet.
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18/11/2020 00:05:15 0 0
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Yep and not even sure their consistencies are good enough to beat the top 2 at the moment. Maybe a zverev serving exceptionally well but i dont think tsitsipas for example has that sort of weapon where if it's working his opponents might not have a say in the match. Thiem is the only guy who I feel like can win matches against nole and rafa on his own racket and combined with his mentality is huge
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18/11/2020 00:09:37 5 5
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2020 has been a momentous year for Nadal. Anything else this year is just a bonus. He needs a good rest after this tournament and looking forward to him winning one or two more Grand Slams next year. Vamos Rafa El Rey Conquistador!
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18/11/2020 00:29:11 7 7
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Nadal lost in 2 sets but could have won in 2. Missed 2 set points in 1st set. And thrown away a break in 2nd set cost him in the end. Nadal I think would still qualify to the semis I think. YOU CAN NEVER WRITE OF NADAL. VAMOS RAFA.
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18/11/2020 02:25:33 3 0
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Well yes, he missed set points, he did not consolidate his break, etc. Should one cry about that? Federer held two match points against Djokovic on own serve in Wimbledon final (he would have won his 21st GS). Should one cry about that? This is tennis.
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18/11/2020 10:39:06 1 0
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Why does seemingly every Nadal fan feel the need to finish any comment about him with vamos Rafa like it's some tribal chant?
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18/11/2020 01:36:22 8 0
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Thiem's win today was not just important for him ( and closing H2H to Nadal to 6 -9 ),but for tennis. Nadal, Djokovic and even the almost ageless Federer have had it their own way for far too long. The greatest of all time they may be, but today tennis was the winner. Let's see if Tsitsipas can step up now against Nadal - his staring defeat in the face against Rublev just might inspire him.
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18/11/2020 04:50:55 1 15
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It only appears that way because both Medvedev and Zverev came on the scene 15 years too late. If they had played from 2002, it is 100% certain they both would have 15 to 20 slams each and very likely Federer and Nadal would each have a couple but not many more. Federer and Nadal should definitely be thanking the stars and gods for the kindness shown with regards to when they were born
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18/11/2020 06:51:59 1 0
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You may be right. The better player on the day should win. However, if the big three have dominated for 17 years and still continue to do so, its their sheer determination to succeed. Be it Thiem or big three, anyone having that determination, level, etc., should succeed.
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17/11/2020 22:26:23 5 2
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So glad the tour finals are indoors and on at least a medium speed court. I really hope the surface is not slow clay when they move to Turin. Recently watched Evans v Dimitrov. So great to see players attack the net with fast hands and court craft. We need surfaces to reward ALL type of player to keep it interesting.
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18/11/2020 01:43:22 5 0
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Well said. Unfortunately, nearly all the surfaces are now very slow, slow or medium slow. There are hardly any surfaces that are fast. This stifles the variety and integrity of the game. And it won't change anytime soon. Or at least not until Nadal and Djokovic decide to call it a day...
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17/11/2020 20:59:49 3 2
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It's that extra topspin the strings on Nadal's racket generate more than anything, on clay it's near uncontrollable for most SHBH's or in Thiem's case he ends up in the same boat as DHBH's, being pushed way back behind the baseline and opening the court up for Nadal.

People will take it the wrong way but I don't think any other player has benefitted from modern racket technology more than Nadal.
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18/11/2020 01:45:35 2 3
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Nadal has won 4 US Opens
More than Djoko and that's on a hard court

Maybe Nadal is just a phenomenal player

Imagine if more GS were on clay though, instead of just the French Open.
He would have at least 30÷ GS by now.
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18/11/2020 01:56:03 3 0
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Your comment does not make any sense. We can see you are a die-hard Nadal fan, but comments like yours are frankly riduculous. So Roger would have won 30 or 40 slams if more were on grass. Life doesn't work like that!
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18/11/2020 11:41:50 1 0
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Yes Nadal won 4 US OS Opens but speed tests of court surfaces rate the US Open SLOWER than some clay courts.
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17/11/2020 22:29:28 1 1
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I will take Castle over Sam Smith all day long
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18/11/2020 01:50:32 1 0
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Why?
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18/11/2020 08:53:55 1 1
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Because she is the most annoying commentator in the history of all sport. She has no idea what she is talking about, she gets in a mess with her own sentences and laughs all the time to try and conceal it. She will interrupt a Robbie or Tim when she sees something in the crowd. I feel she is a little mad too. Castle is stuck in the past and baffles a lot, Castle is annoying, Smith is unbearable
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18/11/2020 01:45:35 2 3
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Nadal has won 4 US Opens
More than Djoko and that's on a hard court

Maybe Nadal is just a phenomenal player

Imagine if more GS were on clay though, instead of just the French Open.
He would have at least 30÷ GS by now.
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18/11/2020 01:56:03 3 0
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Your comment does not make any sense. We can see you are a die-hard Nadal fan, but comments like yours are frankly riduculous. So Roger would have won 30 or 40 slams if more were on grass. Life doesn't work like that!
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17/11/2020 18:05:45 5 6
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Well that's his own fault, indoor hard is probably the most middle ground set-up on the tour.

No wind, no temperature change, no bad bounces etc, court conditions don't change at all on indoor hard courts to favour/hinder anyone.
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18/11/2020 02:06:25 2 0
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You definitely know your tennis. Why Nadal has not won more indoor tournaments is a mystery. Especially as nearly all the indoor surfaces are slow and medium slow at best. Which suits Nadal. This is certainly a stain on his tennis career....
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18/11/2020 02:18:15 5 1
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An absolutely incredible performance from both Thiem and Nadal. Thiem has now been showing for the past two years or so why he has been considered for the past ten years or so as the future of tennis. Unfortunately, he remained stuck to his childhood coach for far too long, years have gone bye, and he is approaching thirty. Still, there is time yet for a number of Grand Slams. Good health, luck.
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18/11/2020 00:29:11 7 7
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Nadal lost in 2 sets but could have won in 2. Missed 2 set points in 1st set. And thrown away a break in 2nd set cost him in the end. Nadal I think would still qualify to the semis I think. YOU CAN NEVER WRITE OF NADAL. VAMOS RAFA.
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18/11/2020 02:25:33 3 0
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Well yes, he missed set points, he did not consolidate his break, etc. Should one cry about that? Federer held two match points against Djokovic on own serve in Wimbledon final (he would have won his 21st GS). Should one cry about that? This is tennis.
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18/11/2020 06:56:52 0 0
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The thing is that if Nadal at 34 can play at this level, it's phenomenal. Then, it is a matter of luck, determination, etc. Who knows, a few points here and there, Nadal might have won. But we as spectators or viewers, should enjoy great tennis from both sides.
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18/11/2020 04:04:24 4 10
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Nadal away from clay is a fish out of H2O.

At least he was not too embarrassed by Thiem who certainly is a gentleman.
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18/11/2020 22:41:14 0 0
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Away from clay he has won 7 grand slams-far more than Thiem will ever win
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17/11/2020 22:39:27 2 3
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If that is true, then why don't other clay court players win as much as Nadal does? Lopez, Robredo, Nalbandian and Ferrer are all more or less the same age/era as Nadal.
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18/11/2020 04:07:46 0 0
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Lopez and Nalbandian are/were not clay court specialists, none of the players you've listed hit with anywhere near as much spin as Nadal. Robredo hit with a lot of spin, but ultra defensively, hence the accusations of moonballing.
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18/11/2020 04:09:45 4 5
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Thiem was the much superior player.

Scoreline says he won in two tie breakers which to Laymen that do not understand tennis would suggest it was a rather close match

However nothing could be further from truth. Thiem dominated from start to finish. Nadal was visibly gasping for breath and seemed relieved when the match was mercifully over.
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18/11/2020 10:00:46 2 0
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Perhaps someone who understands tennis could explain to you that the reason it is being described by many pundits as the 'one of the greatest matches ever at the 02' was because it was so close. You are correct that 7-6, 7-6 does not always tell the full story but both hit a high number of winners and very few unforced errors, both served well and the overall points total was very close.
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18/11/2020 13:24:07 1 0
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oh dear, please don't show your ignorance up on this Forum. Rafa should have won this match, so you believe the far superior player was he who was 2-5 down in the breaker and a break behind in the 2nd? I like Thiem but please lets have an objective view, clearly you hate Rafa so please stop posting such drivel!!!
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18/11/2020 04:16:38 1 9
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One gets the feeling Nadal will simply save his energy in the last match against Tsitsipas, focus his sights on the upcoming clay season and enjoy a long holiday season. He is most definitely happy that Aussie Open may be canceled as he doesnot want to see Djokovic close the gap to his slam total. If by luck, Aussie Open does take place, it is very likely that Nadal will skip it
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18/11/2020 10:19:57 3 0
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The match with Tsitisipas is a straight knock out for the semi finals. Save his energy? He wants to do that he can withdraw and let Berrettini play. Nadal has been excellent in the first couple of matches and for me he will start as favourite against Tsitisipas based on his level, their current form and their head to head. And I'm a Rog fan!
Skip the Australian Open? You have to be trolling!
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17/11/2020 17:59:04 8 3
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Thiem will never dominate like Fed/Nad/Djok but he can enter the fray of GS winners now. I suspect it'll be short lived as many 18-25 year olds on his heels.

In fairness to Nadal - this is never a tournament at which he has excelled - think I'm right in stating that he's only won one elite level indoor tournament in his career and this surface has never suited him
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18/11/2020 04:17:38 1 0
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He won the Madrid Masters when it was indoors, but was taken to 5 sets in the final by Ljubicic. The Brasil Open in 2013 that he won, was held indoors, but it was still on clay courts.
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18/11/2020 04:23:14 1 13
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Thiem is an awesome player. It is obvious that if he had been born 15 years earlier, he would have dominated the entire oughts and Federer likely would have less than 8 slams total by now, and Nadal also very likely would have far fewer French opens in his kitty. Nadal however is definitely a good player on clay, absolutely at the level of Bruguera and Muster. No doubt about it
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18/11/2020 06:38:40 6 0
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Federer is 39, Nadal 34 and Djokovic 33. At their age, most people retire. Thiem is 27 and at his peak. If the big three are able to compete at this level and have superior vis a vis record against the likes of Zverev, Thiem, et al, this tells you something.
stick to washing up love Removed
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18/11/2020 04:30:15 1 17
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As John McEnroe said, at his peak Zverev is absolutely masterful and far superior to Federer at his peak. I think Johnny Mac also said Medvedev is an amazing player and would have dominated the weak era that followed Sampras for roughly 8 years. In his opinion, Zverev and Medvedev would have won 95% of the slams in the 2000-10 time frame and who can argue with him?!
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18/11/2020 07:14:34 15 0
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don't think you have a clue about Tennis if am honest,
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18/11/2020 08:27:10 4 0
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Nonsense. The level of Zverev and Medvedev's match was so poor, especially compared to the brilliant Thiem vs Nadal. Both the former players have weak 2nd serves and their shot making is patchy. Thiem is the class act from the new batch.
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18/11/2020 08:41:59 3 0
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Two massive issues with Zverev; 2nd serve and attitude.
As long as keep saying things like 'im still in the top ten' and 'i nearly won a grand slam' he will never improve.
The difference in class between the Thiem Nadal match and the
Medvedev Zverev match was night and day.
Schwartzman has a very good chance this afternoon, if Zverev plays like he did on Monday he's out
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18/11/2020 01:36:22 8 0
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Thiem's win today was not just important for him ( and closing H2H to Nadal to 6 -9 ),but for tennis. Nadal, Djokovic and even the almost ageless Federer have had it their own way for far too long. The greatest of all time they may be, but today tennis was the winner. Let's see if Tsitsipas can step up now against Nadal - his staring defeat in the face against Rublev just might inspire him.
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18/11/2020 04:50:55 1 15
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It only appears that way because both Medvedev and Zverev came on the scene 15 years too late. If they had played from 2002, it is 100% certain they both would have 15 to 20 slams each and very likely Federer and Nadal would each have a couple but not many more. Federer and Nadal should definitely be thanking the stars and gods for the kindness shown with regards to when they were born
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18/11/2020 10:37:59 2 0
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Clearly you don't know what you are talking about. Age when winnig 1st grand slam Federer (21) and Nadal (19), Thiem was 27 when he won the US Open. I guess though Fed and Nad could have waited 7 years until Thiem was good enough!!!
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18/11/2020 04:23:14 1 13
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Thiem is an awesome player. It is obvious that if he had been born 15 years earlier, he would have dominated the entire oughts and Federer likely would have less than 8 slams total by now, and Nadal also very likely would have far fewer French opens in his kitty. Nadal however is definitely a good player on clay, absolutely at the level of Bruguera and Muster. No doubt about it
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18/11/2020 06:38:40 6 0
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Federer is 39, Nadal 34 and Djokovic 33. At their age, most people retire. Thiem is 27 and at his peak. If the big three are able to compete at this level and have superior vis a vis record against the likes of Zverev, Thiem, et al, this tells you something.
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Mo
18/11/2020 08:59:04 3 0
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Thiem has pretty much taken until age 27 to reach a peak, but Nadal in particular reached a peak -winning multiple slams from age 17.
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18/11/2020 12:41:11 0 6
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Federer is 39 but plays like he is 59. Connors played at 39 and you will agree that the 1992 Connors will easily destroy 2020 Federer. Federer is definitely a good player, definitely at the level of countryman Marc Rosset but there is no question StanW is the very best to come out of Switzerland ever, by a mile.
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18/11/2020 01:36:22 8 0
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Thiem's win today was not just important for him ( and closing H2H to Nadal to 6 -9 ),but for tennis. Nadal, Djokovic and even the almost ageless Federer have had it their own way for far too long. The greatest of all time they may be, but today tennis was the winner. Let's see if Tsitsipas can step up now against Nadal - his staring defeat in the face against Rublev just might inspire him.
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18/11/2020 06:51:59 1 0
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You may be right. The better player on the day should win. However, if the big three have dominated for 17 years and still continue to do so, its their sheer determination to succeed. Be it Thiem or big three, anyone having that determination, level, etc., should succeed.
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18/11/2020 02:25:33 3 0
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Well yes, he missed set points, he did not consolidate his break, etc. Should one cry about that? Federer held two match points against Djokovic on own serve in Wimbledon final (he would have won his 21st GS). Should one cry about that? This is tennis.
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18/11/2020 06:56:52 0 0
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The thing is that if Nadal at 34 can play at this level, it's phenomenal. Then, it is a matter of luck, determination, etc. Who knows, a few points here and there, Nadal might have won. But we as spectators or viewers, should enjoy great tennis from both sides.
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18/11/2020 04:30:15 1 17
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As John McEnroe said, at his peak Zverev is absolutely masterful and far superior to Federer at his peak. I think Johnny Mac also said Medvedev is an amazing player and would have dominated the weak era that followed Sampras for roughly 8 years. In his opinion, Zverev and Medvedev would have won 95% of the slams in the 2000-10 time frame and who can argue with him?!
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18/11/2020 07:14:34 15 0
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don't think you have a clue about Tennis if am honest,
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18/11/2020 12:37:56 0 4
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I played at a very high level and for a short while was ranked in the top 150 players in the world. Thank you very much.
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18/11/2020 04:23:14 1 13
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Thiem is an awesome player. It is obvious that if he had been born 15 years earlier, he would have dominated the entire oughts and Federer likely would have less than 8 slams total by now, and Nadal also very likely would have far fewer French opens in his kitty. Nadal however is definitely a good player on clay, absolutely at the level of Bruguera and Muster. No doubt about it
stick to washing up love Removed
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18/11/2020 04:30:15 1 17
bbc
As John McEnroe said, at his peak Zverev is absolutely masterful and far superior to Federer at his peak. I think Johnny Mac also said Medvedev is an amazing player and would have dominated the weak era that followed Sampras for roughly 8 years. In his opinion, Zverev and Medvedev would have won 95% of the slams in the 2000-10 time frame and who can argue with him?!
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18/11/2020 08:27:10 4 0
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Nonsense. The level of Zverev and Medvedev's match was so poor, especially compared to the brilliant Thiem vs Nadal. Both the former players have weak 2nd serves and their shot making is patchy. Thiem is the class act from the new batch.
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18/11/2020 04:30:15 1 17
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As John McEnroe said, at his peak Zverev is absolutely masterful and far superior to Federer at his peak. I think Johnny Mac also said Medvedev is an amazing player and would have dominated the weak era that followed Sampras for roughly 8 years. In his opinion, Zverev and Medvedev would have won 95% of the slams in the 2000-10 time frame and who can argue with him?!
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18/11/2020 08:41:59 3 0
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Two massive issues with Zverev; 2nd serve and attitude.
As long as keep saying things like 'im still in the top ten' and 'i nearly won a grand slam' he will never improve.
The difference in class between the Thiem Nadal match and the
Medvedev Zverev match was night and day.
Schwartzman has a very good chance this afternoon, if Zverev plays like he did on Monday he's out
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18/11/2020 10:12:25 1 0
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Another problem is he seemingly can't work with great coaches. The Ivan Lendl marriage was never comfortable, there were signs that Zverev was not prepared to let him help, he often joked he was in charge. Carlos Ferrero did not last very long either. Zverev was about a 2 mm from hitting 4 double faults in a row in that first match. David Ferrer is not going to put up with that!
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17/11/2020 23:58:48 3 2
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I still think he's better on clay as it's relative to the competition on each surface. Nadals tennis on clay is unrivalled so although Thiem hasn't won there he certainly would have a couple if it wasnt for nadals dominance and I wouldn't say there is anyone on a hard court who's as invincible as nadal is on clay.
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18/11/2020 08:46:04 1 0
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I'm a massive Thiem fan, I think at the moment yes slightly better on clay but the fact it is even a debate now is a testament to how much he has improved in the last year
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18/11/2020 01:50:32 1 0
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Why?
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18/11/2020 08:53:55 1 1
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Because she is the most annoying commentator in the history of all sport. She has no idea what she is talking about, she gets in a mess with her own sentences and laughs all the time to try and conceal it. She will interrupt a Robbie or Tim when she sees something in the crowd. I feel she is a little mad too. Castle is stuck in the past and baffles a lot, Castle is annoying, Smith is unbearable
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18/11/2020 18:45:45 1 0
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However Castle is one of the only commentators prepared to come off the fence and express measured criticism of top players when they appear to behave poorly.
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18/11/2020 23:07:24 0 0
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Well answered. Thank You.
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18/11/2020 06:38:40 6 0
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Federer is 39, Nadal 34 and Djokovic 33. At their age, most people retire. Thiem is 27 and at his peak. If the big three are able to compete at this level and have superior vis a vis record against the likes of Zverev, Thiem, et al, this tells you something.
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Mo
18/11/2020 08:59:04 3 0
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Thiem has pretty much taken until age 27 to reach a peak, but Nadal in particular reached a peak -winning multiple slams from age 17.
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18/11/2020 13:20:42 0 0
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Well, there have always been great champions. McEnroe, Borg, Lendl, Sampras, Agassi to name a few. They were the best during their peak. There have also been great champions such as Vilas, Courier, Edberg, et al. But not everyone reaches that level. Only the very best do.
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18/11/2020 04:09:45 4 5
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Thiem was the much superior player.

Scoreline says he won in two tie breakers which to Laymen that do not understand tennis would suggest it was a rather close match

However nothing could be further from truth. Thiem dominated from start to finish. Nadal was visibly gasping for breath and seemed relieved when the match was mercifully over.
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18/11/2020 10:00:46 2 0
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Perhaps someone who understands tennis could explain to you that the reason it is being described by many pundits as the 'one of the greatest matches ever at the 02' was because it was so close. You are correct that 7-6, 7-6 does not always tell the full story but both hit a high number of winners and very few unforced errors, both served well and the overall points total was very close.
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18/11/2020 10:07:41 2 0
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I'm a Thiem fan and watched the whole match, and either could have won it, just as either could have won their classic US Open quarter final in 2018.
Dominating start to finish is what Federer did to Murray in the 2014 round robin match, this was nothing like that!
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18/11/2020 10:00:46 2 0
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Perhaps someone who understands tennis could explain to you that the reason it is being described by many pundits as the 'one of the greatest matches ever at the 02' was because it was so close. You are correct that 7-6, 7-6 does not always tell the full story but both hit a high number of winners and very few unforced errors, both served well and the overall points total was very close.
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18/11/2020 10:07:41 2 0
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I'm a Thiem fan and watched the whole match, and either could have won it, just as either could have won their classic US Open quarter final in 2018.
Dominating start to finish is what Federer did to Murray in the 2014 round robin match, this was nothing like that!
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18/11/2020 08:41:59 3 0
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Two massive issues with Zverev; 2nd serve and attitude.
As long as keep saying things like 'im still in the top ten' and 'i nearly won a grand slam' he will never improve.
The difference in class between the Thiem Nadal match and the
Medvedev Zverev match was night and day.
Schwartzman has a very good chance this afternoon, if Zverev plays like he did on Monday he's out
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18/11/2020 10:12:25 1 0
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Another problem is he seemingly can't work with great coaches. The Ivan Lendl marriage was never comfortable, there were signs that Zverev was not prepared to let him help, he often joked he was in charge. Carlos Ferrero did not last very long either. Zverev was about a 2 mm from hitting 4 double faults in a row in that first match. David Ferrer is not going to put up with that!
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18/11/2020 04:16:38 1 9
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One gets the feeling Nadal will simply save his energy in the last match against Tsitsipas, focus his sights on the upcoming clay season and enjoy a long holiday season. He is most definitely happy that Aussie Open may be canceled as he doesnot want to see Djokovic close the gap to his slam total. If by luck, Aussie Open does take place, it is very likely that Nadal will skip it
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18/11/2020 10:19:57 3 0
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The match with Tsitisipas is a straight knock out for the semi finals. Save his energy? He wants to do that he can withdraw and let Berrettini play. Nadal has been excellent in the first couple of matches and for me he will start as favourite against Tsitisipas based on his level, their current form and their head to head. And I'm a Rog fan!
Skip the Australian Open? You have to be trolling!
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17/11/2020 18:05:45 5 6
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Well that's his own fault, indoor hard is probably the most middle ground set-up on the tour.

No wind, no temperature change, no bad bounces etc, court conditions don't change at all on indoor hard courts to favour/hinder anyone.
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18/11/2020 10:28:47 0 1
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Yeah, ok mate, and I bet they will be playing golf indoors in the next century!!!!
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18/11/2020 10:53:34 1 0
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Don't see what point you're trying to make, indoors has been a part of the tennis season for years and has the least variable conditions.

Nadal's had around 15 years to get used to them and change his game accordingly, the fact he hasn't either indicates he's refused to all those years or he simply can't.

But a typical Nadal fan will just blame anything that doesn't cater to their idol.
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17/11/2020 17:59:04 8 3
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Thiem will never dominate like Fed/Nad/Djok but he can enter the fray of GS winners now. I suspect it'll be short lived as many 18-25 year olds on his heels.

In fairness to Nadal - this is never a tournament at which he has excelled - think I'm right in stating that he's only won one elite level indoor tournament in his career and this surface has never suited him
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18/11/2020 10:29:32 0 0
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How do you know he will never dominate? He's won a slam, regularly getting to finals now, he had already overtaken Rog before the surgery and holds a winning head to head over him, he has beaten Djokovic and Nadal multiple times including slams, and Nadal multiple times on clay. He is currently at a much higher level than Zverev, Medvedev and Tistisipas, they are nowhere near as good at the mo
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18/11/2020 04:50:55 1 15
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It only appears that way because both Medvedev and Zverev came on the scene 15 years too late. If they had played from 2002, it is 100% certain they both would have 15 to 20 slams each and very likely Federer and Nadal would each have a couple but not many more. Federer and Nadal should definitely be thanking the stars and gods for the kindness shown with regards to when they were born
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18/11/2020 10:37:59 2 0
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Clearly you don't know what you are talking about. Age when winnig 1st grand slam Federer (21) and Nadal (19), Thiem was 27 when he won the US Open. I guess though Fed and Nad could have waited 7 years until Thiem was good enough!!!
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18/11/2020 00:29:11 7 7
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Nadal lost in 2 sets but could have won in 2. Missed 2 set points in 1st set. And thrown away a break in 2nd set cost him in the end. Nadal I think would still qualify to the semis I think. YOU CAN NEVER WRITE OF NADAL. VAMOS RAFA.
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18/11/2020 10:39:06 1 0
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Why does seemingly every Nadal fan feel the need to finish any comment about him with vamos Rafa like it's some tribal chant?
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18/11/2020 10:47:18 4 8
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Always good to see Nadull lose ?????
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18/11/2020 13:18:31 1 2
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speak for yourself mate. Come next May Rafa will be out on his own as far as GS's go, vamos Rafa!!!
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18/11/2020 10:28:47 0 1
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Yeah, ok mate, and I bet they will be playing golf indoors in the next century!!!!
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18/11/2020 10:53:34 1 0
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Don't see what point you're trying to make, indoors has been a part of the tennis season for years and has the least variable conditions.

Nadal's had around 15 years to get used to them and change his game accordingly, the fact he hasn't either indicates he's refused to all those years or he simply can't.

But a typical Nadal fan will just blame anything that doesn't cater to their idol.
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18/11/2020 18:56:05 0 0
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You are quite right. Without the clay court reaction to his forhand Nadal is vulnerable - even on slow indoor courts.
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18/11/2020 19:34:54 0 1
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Blah blah blah....at the end of the day its records that matter, and if Nadal could not change his game, how did he beat the greatest ever grass court player in the greatest tennis match ever at Wimbledon, ...oh did you not know that, just proves how ignorant you are mate.
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18/11/2020 01:45:35 2 3
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Nadal has won 4 US Opens
More than Djoko and that's on a hard court

Maybe Nadal is just a phenomenal player

Imagine if more GS were on clay though, instead of just the French Open.
He would have at least 30÷ GS by now.
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18/11/2020 11:41:50 1 0
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Yes Nadal won 4 US OS Opens but speed tests of court surfaces rate the US Open SLOWER than some clay courts.
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18/11/2020 12:36:46 0 7
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Djokovic lucked out in the Schwartzman match but his luck will run out today. Surely he is overmatched against the far more talented Mr D Medvedev. As for Rafa, he is just happy that Thiem was not born 15 years earlier or Rafa might have just a couple of French opens by now. Rafa is at the same level as Bruguera as a player, as Federer is similar caliber to countryman M Rosset
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18/11/2020 12:58:41 1 0
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Sorry former top 150 player, but Simon Bray does have a point!
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18/11/2020 13:15:20 2 0
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Fiona you are obsessed with Medvedev!;
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18/11/2020 13:26:47 3 0
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will you please stop posting such BS on this forum Fiona, it's embarrasing!!
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18/11/2020 07:14:34 15 0
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don't think you have a clue about Tennis if am honest,
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18/11/2020 12:37:56 0 4
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I played at a very high level and for a short while was ranked in the top 150 players in the world. Thank you very much.
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18/11/2020 13:03:09 3 0
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No, no sign of you on the internet. Are you sure you have your name correct? You're not Fiona Ferro are you?
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18/11/2020 13:34:25 1 0
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so you should know better then!!!. At the end of the day records speak for themselves, so they will be the final arbiter in assessing the players who were quite good, very good, great or the GOAT. |I know, despite your 'expertise', you just can't handle the truth!! The only player i would put in with todays big 3 is Rod Laver, who missed playing the slams between 1963 and 1967 - what a player
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18/11/2020 06:38:40 6 0
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Federer is 39, Nadal 34 and Djokovic 33. At their age, most people retire. Thiem is 27 and at his peak. If the big three are able to compete at this level and have superior vis a vis record against the likes of Zverev, Thiem, et al, this tells you something.
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18/11/2020 12:41:11 0 6
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Federer is 39 but plays like he is 59. Connors played at 39 and you will agree that the 1992 Connors will easily destroy 2020 Federer. Federer is definitely a good player, definitely at the level of countryman Marc Rosset but there is no question StanW is the very best to come out of Switzerland ever, by a mile.
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18/11/2020 13:03:52 0 0
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I strongly disagree. But thanks anyway.
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18/11/2020 16:50:14 2 0
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How do we know Fiona Daniels is a troll? Because "she" claims Stan Wawrinka is the greatest ever Swiss player? ??
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18/11/2020 12:36:46 0 7
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Djokovic lucked out in the Schwartzman match but his luck will run out today. Surely he is overmatched against the far more talented Mr D Medvedev. As for Rafa, he is just happy that Thiem was not born 15 years earlier or Rafa might have just a couple of French opens by now. Rafa is at the same level as Bruguera as a player, as Federer is similar caliber to countryman M Rosset
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18/11/2020 12:58:41 1 0
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Sorry former top 150 player, but Simon Bray does have a point!
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18/11/2020 12:37:56 0 4
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I played at a very high level and for a short while was ranked in the top 150 players in the world. Thank you very much.
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18/11/2020 13:03:09 3 0
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No, no sign of you on the internet. Are you sure you have your name correct? You're not Fiona Ferro are you?
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18/11/2020 12:41:11 0 6
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Federer is 39 but plays like he is 59. Connors played at 39 and you will agree that the 1992 Connors will easily destroy 2020 Federer. Federer is definitely a good player, definitely at the level of countryman Marc Rosset but there is no question StanW is the very best to come out of Switzerland ever, by a mile.
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18/11/2020 13:03:52 0 0
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I strongly disagree. But thanks anyway.
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18/11/2020 12:36:46 0 7
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Djokovic lucked out in the Schwartzman match but his luck will run out today. Surely he is overmatched against the far more talented Mr D Medvedev. As for Rafa, he is just happy that Thiem was not born 15 years earlier or Rafa might have just a couple of French opens by now. Rafa is at the same level as Bruguera as a player, as Federer is similar caliber to countryman M Rosset
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18/11/2020 13:15:20 2 0
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Fiona you are obsessed with Medvedev!;
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18/11/2020 10:47:18 4 8
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Always good to see Nadull lose ?????
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18/11/2020 13:18:31 1 2
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speak for yourself mate. Come next May Rafa will be out on his own as far as GS's go, vamos Rafa!!!
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18/11/2020 08:59:04 3 0
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Thiem has pretty much taken until age 27 to reach a peak, but Nadal in particular reached a peak -winning multiple slams from age 17.
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18/11/2020 13:20:42 0 0
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Well, there have always been great champions. McEnroe, Borg, Lendl, Sampras, Agassi to name a few. They were the best during their peak. There have also been great champions such as Vilas, Courier, Edberg, et al. But not everyone reaches that level. Only the very best do.
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18/11/2020 13:35:29 2 0
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Don't forget Fiona Daniels she was top 150 in the world
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18/11/2020 04:09:45 4 5
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Thiem was the much superior player.

Scoreline says he won in two tie breakers which to Laymen that do not understand tennis would suggest it was a rather close match

However nothing could be further from truth. Thiem dominated from start to finish. Nadal was visibly gasping for breath and seemed relieved when the match was mercifully over.
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18/11/2020 13:24:07 1 0
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oh dear, please don't show your ignorance up on this Forum. Rafa should have won this match, so you believe the far superior player was he who was 2-5 down in the breaker and a break behind in the 2nd? I like Thiem but please lets have an objective view, clearly you hate Rafa so please stop posting such drivel!!!
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18/11/2020 12:36:46 0 7
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Djokovic lucked out in the Schwartzman match but his luck will run out today. Surely he is overmatched against the far more talented Mr D Medvedev. As for Rafa, he is just happy that Thiem was not born 15 years earlier or Rafa might have just a couple of French opens by now. Rafa is at the same level as Bruguera as a player, as Federer is similar caliber to countryman M Rosset
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18/11/2020 13:26:47 3 0
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will you please stop posting such BS on this forum Fiona, it's embarrasing!!
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18/11/2020 13:34:15 0 0
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Now that's no way to talk to a former top 150 player
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18/11/2020 13:26:47 3 0
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will you please stop posting such BS on this forum Fiona, it's embarrasing!!
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18/11/2020 13:34:15 0 0
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Now that's no way to talk to a former top 150 player
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18/11/2020 12:37:56 0 4
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I played at a very high level and for a short while was ranked in the top 150 players in the world. Thank you very much.
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18/11/2020 13:34:25 1 0
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so you should know better then!!!. At the end of the day records speak for themselves, so they will be the final arbiter in assessing the players who were quite good, very good, great or the GOAT. |I know, despite your 'expertise', you just can't handle the truth!! The only player i would put in with todays big 3 is Rod Laver, who missed playing the slams between 1963 and 1967 - what a player
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18/11/2020 13:20:42 0 0
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Well, there have always been great champions. McEnroe, Borg, Lendl, Sampras, Agassi to name a few. They were the best during their peak. There have also been great champions such as Vilas, Courier, Edberg, et al. But not everyone reaches that level. Only the very best do.
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18/11/2020 13:35:29 2 0
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Don't forget Fiona Daniels she was top 150 in the world
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18/11/2020 14:04:18 1 1
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Fiona Daniels,Head of P,R. for Thiem needs to get her head out of the sand"Nadal is good on clay"!!! How many French Open titles.At their peak both Nadal and Borg were the best ever on clay.Thiem would be lucky to win a set.
Thiem would not make the top ten player chart,Slams are the true measure.
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18/11/2020 14:19:16 2 0
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Sorry, no other place to leave this comment.
Really at loss as to why the BBC are not showing the doubles. Listening to commentators because doubles players are playing a deciding set. Why not let us see the doubles match???
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18/11/2020 14:46:00 0 0
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Because they don't have the rights, Amazon Prime do