Nadal reaches ATP Finals last four
20/11/2020 | sport | tennis | 133
Rafael Nadal reaches the last four of the ATP Finals by beating 2019 champion Stefanos Tsitsipas in three sets.
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19/11/2020 22:58:23 32 5
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Who said the King of Clay can't play indoors? Certainly not me! Great win for Rafa
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20/11/2020 00:03:17 9 17
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Then please explain why the King of Clay has only ever won ONE indoor hardcourt tournament in his whole career?
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MK
19/11/2020 23:01:52 21 3
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I'd say Rafa is very determined now to win it this year.
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19/11/2020 23:01:57 54 5
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When Nadal started his career, I thought of him as defensive with his heavy spin and speed across the court.
What I realise now is that he is incredible and he is able to turn defence into attack at the drop of a hat.
A great in a trio of greats, Nadal will be a very difficult man to replace and I’m pleased he is still able to perform at such a high level with his injury history.
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20/11/2020 02:49:08 7 6
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Nadal is an amazing champ & you have to admire how he's improved his game to adapt to different surfaces. If you truly understand tennis, you'd realise with his full western grip he's a clay courter, & his game was based on putting more top spin on the ball - just like Albert Costa or Sergi Bruguera. It's not cut out for faster, lower bouncing indoor courts (& I'm not a Novak or Roger fanatic)
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19/11/2020 23:07:55 10 4
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Good win for rafa. I can see one of the under dogs winning this year, possibly Medvedev. ATP finals can often throw up a surprise champion
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19/11/2020 23:08:28 7 6
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Come on, Tim!
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19/11/2020 23:09:31 3 14
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Nooooooo

Please....stop these older players from winning. common guys, step up
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19/11/2020 23:43:28 5 2
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There's skill, there's fitness then there's psychology. You have to learn to stand tall with giants
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19/11/2020 23:44:29 2 2
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Why??? These guys are all GOATs. There is absolutely no sign of anyone being able to reach their levels when they are done playing. It could be decades before we see even one player dominate in the same way.
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19/11/2020 23:13:45 16 6
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rafa's 4 us open wins are proof of his all round greatness
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Al
19/11/2020 23:14:21 17 4
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Fantastic result for Nadal. Even though this surface is by far the worst for him, he still manages to do well. Its a shame that these Final ATP Finals cant be played on random surfaces from year to year. Indoors always fav a certain player. Not necessarily the best - hence the last two winners = neither winning a GS yet.
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19/11/2020 23:59:40 6 14
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It is clear you love Nadal. I get this. But you can't say the year end tournament should alternate to different surfaces so this gives Nadal a chance of winning it. Tennis should be about variety and if you are good enough, you will adapt. You CANNOT ignore the fact that Nadal has only won one indoor hardcourt tournament in his whole career...
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20/11/2020 07:46:03 2 2
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I actually agree with this. The year end championships should reflect the year-they have to gather points on all surfaces to qualify for this so why not represent that by playing it on a different surface each season. I enjoy watching the O2 but it should be branded as an indoor slam or something rather than the tour finals as it only represents a small fraction of the tour
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19/11/2020 23:27:14 15 2
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Good for Rafa! I wish though the Beeb would show all the matches.
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19/11/2020 23:53:34 11 8
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How can you dislike Rafa?
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19/11/2020 23:30:34 36 3
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Nadal has that "if you want to win, you have to find a way to beat me" quality. I was lucky to see him win in Monaco against Novak ten years ago and at the crucial moment Rafa stood tall and invited the challenge, coolest moment I have ever seen. They won't last forever, but these guys are the stuff of legends.
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19/11/2020 23:42:32 13 6
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Well done Rafa.

Let's hope he can finally win this tournament.
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19/11/2020 23:09:31 3 14
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Nooooooo

Please....stop these older players from winning. common guys, step up
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19/11/2020 23:43:28 5 2
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There's skill, there's fitness then there's psychology. You have to learn to stand tall with giants
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19/11/2020 23:09:31 3 14
bbc
Nooooooo

Please....stop these older players from winning. common guys, step up
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19/11/2020 23:44:29 2 2
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Why??? These guys are all GOATs. There is absolutely no sign of anyone being able to reach their levels when they are done playing. It could be decades before we see even one player dominate in the same way.
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20/11/2020 00:21:12 3 2
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The womens game is so much more competitive nowadays. So many different players winning Grand slams. Its a foregone conclusion in the mens game. so stale, boring and predictable.
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20/11/2020 00:23:04 0 2
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It will happen, I've seen it before. The best of today's players will find a way and will be the stars of tomorrow. In the meantime, enjoy what we still have because it is very special.
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19/11/2020 23:52:06 10 1
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Rafa's serve has looked very strong at this tournament, and his overall play has been good too. Medvedev will be a tough oponent, he pushed Nadal very close in the US open final last year. Should be a great match.
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19/11/2020 23:27:14 15 2
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Good for Rafa! I wish though the Beeb would show all the matches.
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19/11/2020 23:53:34 11 8
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How can you dislike Rafa?
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20/11/2020 00:11:37 4 4
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I like both Rafa and Roger - very humane and talented individuals. And they like and respect one another which is great!
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20/11/2020 02:21:30 5 5
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You have to watch Nadal's matches on playback, so you can fast forward between points while he scratches his bum, balls, fiddles with hair, ears & bounces ball 6/7 times before serving, & umpires don't penalise him for hitting 30 secs. + the 7-mins bathroom breaks when he's losing, & holding his hand up when receiving to make his opponent wait. Connors & Becker both did it. Some say it's cheating.
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20/11/2020 08:42:01 0 3
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Quite easily.
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19/11/2020 23:57:20 10 6
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The ??
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20/11/2020 00:00:07 2 5
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The floor is open - lol .....
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Al
19/11/2020 23:14:21 17 4
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Fantastic result for Nadal. Even though this surface is by far the worst for him, he still manages to do well. Its a shame that these Final ATP Finals cant be played on random surfaces from year to year. Indoors always fav a certain player. Not necessarily the best - hence the last two winners = neither winning a GS yet.
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19/11/2020 23:59:40 6 14
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It is clear you love Nadal. I get this. But you can't say the year end tournament should alternate to different surfaces so this gives Nadal a chance of winning it. Tennis should be about variety and if you are good enough, you will adapt. You CANNOT ignore the fact that Nadal has only won one indoor hardcourt tournament in his whole career...
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20/11/2020 00:17:15 1 6
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You can ignore it, because its utterly meaningless. Losers like you only cling to it because you know the truth about who's the best.
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20/11/2020 01:08:14 2 5
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Why can't you say that? Nadal hits with topspin rather than flat and when the ball stays low it doesn't suit. Djokovic / Federer have five ATP Finals each, Nadal none. If on clay it would likely be 8-1-1 in Rafa's favour. A couple of Clay Finals wouldn't hurt! Indoors Nadal has to get 'lower' on his shots to compete and with his knee/wrist history, it's mind-boggling that he competes as he does.
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19/11/2020 23:57:20 10 6
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The ??
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20/11/2020 00:00:07 2 5
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The floor is open - lol .....
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20/11/2020 10:56:49 0 1
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Shots were fired...no reply ??
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20/11/2020 00:01:22 13 3
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Shame the final year in London ended with no crowds, one of the best cities in the world for sports attendance. Another Nadal vs Thiem matchup for the final would be nice after that awesome group game
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20/11/2020 00:03:09 8 19
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Nadull
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20/11/2020 00:15:59 1 5
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Ahh, bless you.
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20/11/2020 00:38:07 1 4
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ilikemathsnobbjockey
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19/11/2020 22:58:23 32 5
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Who said the King of Clay can't play indoors? Certainly not me! Great win for Rafa
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20/11/2020 00:03:17 9 17
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Then please explain why the King of Clay has only ever won ONE indoor hardcourt tournament in his whole career?
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20/11/2020 00:17:51 6 7
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Get a life, you sad loser.
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20/11/2020 00:48:43 9 7
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One win would be the highlight of many players' careers. Every player has a favourite surface. The best learn to adapt. In the end only the very best can win on every surface. Rafa is the very best.
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20/11/2020 10:27:48 4 1
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indoor hard is quite rare conditions. Slams are Grass, Clay and 2x outdoor hard. Most Masters are outdoor, There used to be carpet (super quick) surface indoor too, which many tournaments converted to indoor HC. Its still a specialist set of conditions, so you find many players have not won huge numbers on it. Many would like to see the WFT rotate surface each year to represent the season better.
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20/11/2020 20:27:47 0 0
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imagine if the finals were played on indoor clay...
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19/11/2020 23:53:34 11 8
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How can you dislike Rafa?
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20/11/2020 00:11:37 4 4
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I like both Rafa and Roger - very humane and talented individuals. And they like and respect one another which is great!
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20/11/2020 00:03:09 8 19
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Nadull
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20/11/2020 00:15:59 1 5
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Ahh, bless you.
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19/11/2020 23:59:40 6 14
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It is clear you love Nadal. I get this. But you can't say the year end tournament should alternate to different surfaces so this gives Nadal a chance of winning it. Tennis should be about variety and if you are good enough, you will adapt. You CANNOT ignore the fact that Nadal has only won one indoor hardcourt tournament in his whole career...
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20/11/2020 00:17:15 1 6
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You can ignore it, because its utterly meaningless. Losers like you only cling to it because you know the truth about who's the best.
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20/11/2020 00:36:28 1 5
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So many ignorant sad beeches in the world these days - wonder what InnerWisdom's greatest achievement is ?
Producing a stain on his sheets probably !
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20/11/2020 00:43:46 3 1
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The truth hurts....
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20/11/2020 00:03:17 9 17
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Then please explain why the King of Clay has only ever won ONE indoor hardcourt tournament in his whole career?
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20/11/2020 00:17:51 6 7
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Get a life, you sad loser.
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20/11/2020 00:49:49 3 7
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I have a wonderful life. And Thanks for asking. I worry about you though - you seem to be very angry. Do you choose not to see the wood from the trees???
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19/11/2020 23:44:29 2 2
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Why??? These guys are all GOATs. There is absolutely no sign of anyone being able to reach their levels when they are done playing. It could be decades before we see even one player dominate in the same way.
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20/11/2020 00:21:12 3 2
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The womens game is so much more competitive nowadays. So many different players winning Grand slams. Its a foregone conclusion in the mens game. so stale, boring and predictable.
You're sad man.
Get a life or just stick to watching women!
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19/11/2020 23:44:29 2 2
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Why??? These guys are all GOATs. There is absolutely no sign of anyone being able to reach their levels when they are done playing. It could be decades before we see even one player dominate in the same way.
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20/11/2020 00:23:04 0 2
bbc
It will happen, I've seen it before. The best of today's players will find a way and will be the stars of tomorrow. In the meantime, enjoy what we still have because it is very special.
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20/11/2020 00:27:01 3 1
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I agree, these are special players, great players, geniuses.

Still watching a new player on the block does make it interesting to watch. The womens game is interesting to watch, a fact that cant be denied.
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20/11/2020 00:23:04 0 2
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It will happen, I've seen it before. The best of today's players will find a way and will be the stars of tomorrow. In the meantime, enjoy what we still have because it is very special.
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20/11/2020 00:27:01 3 1
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I agree, these are special players, great players, geniuses.

Still watching a new player on the block does make it interesting to watch. The womens game is interesting to watch, a fact that cant be denied.
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20/11/2020 00:31:57 7 15
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I’ve always found Tennis to be far more interesting when Murray is not involved.

Fair play to the true “ greats “ who are still in the game continually setting high standards that murray can only dream of achieving

??????
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20/11/2020 16:45:34 0 0
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Same applies to every player that has ever played the game as they are the 3 most succesful mens singles players of all time. The fact is Murray is easily in the top 2% most succesful mens singles players in the history of tennis.
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20/11/2020 00:33:01 8 9
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Great to see the G O A T of Tennis move forward - its only matter of time before he bypasses Fed in GS Titles !!
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20/11/2020 00:56:09 6 4
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So what? Meaningless debate really. They are equally great players
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20/11/2020 00:17:15 1 6
bbc
You can ignore it, because its utterly meaningless. Losers like you only cling to it because you know the truth about who's the best.
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20/11/2020 00:36:28 1 5
bbc
So many ignorant sad beeches in the world these days - wonder what InnerWisdom's greatest achievement is ?
Producing a stain on his sheets probably !
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20/11/2020 00:44:16 3 1
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The truth hurts. Sad for you...
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20/11/2020 00:37:57 13 2
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Amazon Prime pretty shocking. Coverage buffered a lot, commentators went on about how Nadal could face Djokovic in the semi, 'depending on what happens tomorrow' when anyone following it remotely closely knew that the Nadal/Tsitsipas winner faced Medvedev in the semi. Then the transmission cuts off with the informative Petch in full flow. When you're paying, you expect much better.
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20/11/2020 00:42:58 2 3
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Prime is the standard of future, sadly. Don't look there for quality, but is there a choice?
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Mo
20/11/2020 14:06:31 0 0
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When Petch gets cut off mid sentence, you just need to look immediately for the newly added link that builds up to start of match
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20/11/2020 00:03:09 8 19
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Nadull
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20/11/2020 00:38:07 1 4
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ilikemathsnobbjockey
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20/11/2020 00:37:57 13 2
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Amazon Prime pretty shocking. Coverage buffered a lot, commentators went on about how Nadal could face Djokovic in the semi, 'depending on what happens tomorrow' when anyone following it remotely closely knew that the Nadal/Tsitsipas winner faced Medvedev in the semi. Then the transmission cuts off with the informative Petch in full flow. When you're paying, you expect much better.
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20/11/2020 00:42:58 2 3
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Prime is the standard of future, sadly. Don't look there for quality, but is there a choice?
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20/11/2020 08:11:27 1 1
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I got the buffer too and my internet is fast
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20/11/2020 00:17:15 1 6
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You can ignore it, because its utterly meaningless. Losers like you only cling to it because you know the truth about who's the best.
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20/11/2020 00:43:46 3 1
bbc
The truth hurts....
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20/11/2020 00:36:28 1 5
bbc
So many ignorant sad beeches in the world these days - wonder what InnerWisdom's greatest achievement is ?
Producing a stain on his sheets probably !
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20/11/2020 00:44:16 3 1
bbc
The truth hurts. Sad for you...
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20/11/2020 00:48:32 3 8
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Goat! On clay maybe but you don’t know how he would have played against players of the old. Different everything coaches, food, rackets balls, trainers etc. 22 hard court titles and 3 grass! Not sure that can be the goat. Those 2 courts Andy Murray has like 15 more titles.
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20/11/2020 01:34:31 7 5
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He'd have crushed the players from 4 or 5 decades ago.
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20/11/2020 00:03:17 9 17
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Then please explain why the King of Clay has only ever won ONE indoor hardcourt tournament in his whole career?
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20/11/2020 00:48:43 9 7
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One win would be the highlight of many players' careers. Every player has a favourite surface. The best learn to adapt. In the end only the very best can win on every surface. Rafa is the very best.
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20/11/2020 00:55:09 7 7
bbc
He is one of the greats but how can he be the best if he never won the Year-End tournament? Or only one indoor hardcourt tournament ever?
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20/11/2020 00:17:51 6 7
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Get a life, you sad loser.
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20/11/2020 00:49:49 3 7
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I have a wonderful life. And Thanks for asking. I worry about you though - you seem to be very angry. Do you choose not to see the wood from the trees???
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20/11/2020 00:48:43 9 7
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One win would be the highlight of many players' careers. Every player has a favourite surface. The best learn to adapt. In the end only the very best can win on every surface. Rafa is the very best.
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20/11/2020 00:55:09 7 7
bbc
He is one of the greats but how can he be the best if he never won the Year-End tournament? Or only one indoor hardcourt tournament ever?
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20/11/2020 01:07:58 3 2
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I agree, there is always another challenge and that's why payers like Rafa remain motivated. Younger players will start to beat him, but that's the challenge they have to rise to. In current times we have seen the best without question, Rafa being just one of those. Who is the best is always good to debate and I hope today's younger players become part of that conversation soon.
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20/11/2020 03:16:56 12 2
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The problem with that is that you can make similar arguments for everyone you could possibly consider the greatest. How can Federer or Djokovic be the greatest if they never won an Olympic singles gold? How can Sampras be the greatest if he never won the French? Or Borg, if he never won the US?

Who you think is the GOAT is ultimately subjective, and there's no 'right' answer.
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20/11/2020 00:33:01 8 9
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Great to see the G O A T of Tennis move forward - its only matter of time before he bypasses Fed in GS Titles !!
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20/11/2020 00:56:09 6 4
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So what? Meaningless debate really. They are equally great players
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20/11/2020 00:55:09 7 7
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He is one of the greats but how can he be the best if he never won the Year-End tournament? Or only one indoor hardcourt tournament ever?
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20/11/2020 01:07:58 3 2
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I agree, there is always another challenge and that's why payers like Rafa remain motivated. Younger players will start to beat him, but that's the challenge they have to rise to. In current times we have seen the best without question, Rafa being just one of those. Who is the best is always good to debate and I hope today's younger players become part of that conversation soon.
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19/11/2020 23:59:40 6 14
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It is clear you love Nadal. I get this. But you can't say the year end tournament should alternate to different surfaces so this gives Nadal a chance of winning it. Tennis should be about variety and if you are good enough, you will adapt. You CANNOT ignore the fact that Nadal has only won one indoor hardcourt tournament in his whole career...
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20/11/2020 01:08:14 2 5
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Why can't you say that? Nadal hits with topspin rather than flat and when the ball stays low it doesn't suit. Djokovic / Federer have five ATP Finals each, Nadal none. If on clay it would likely be 8-1-1 in Rafa's favour. A couple of Clay Finals wouldn't hurt! Indoors Nadal has to get 'lower' on his shots to compete and with his knee/wrist history, it's mind-boggling that he competes as he does.
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20/11/2020 01:34:00 3 4
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I think you need help. Firstly, Roger has won six Year Ends - the most in open era. Please get your facts correct. And you are right - Nadal has won none. Sadly for him. While you are at it, why don't they change the Australian Open and US Open to clay - would that please you??
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20/11/2020 01:26:13 29 7
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I hope Rafa goes on to win this title. I think he has been playing well. Has done enough to reach the semi finals. Wish him all the best there. Then hope he plays his best tennis and wins the title. He would make my day. Love Rafa. He is a very humble guy. Great personality.
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20/11/2020 03:48:30 2 40
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It is well known to everyone in Majorca that Nadal family and Rafa in particular are extremely arrogant. They are not liked by many on the island. People have been praying they would leave the island and settle down in Barcelona
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20/11/2020 09:46:44 3 1
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And he and Roger are pals! How cool is that?
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20/11/2020 01:08:14 2 5
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Why can't you say that? Nadal hits with topspin rather than flat and when the ball stays low it doesn't suit. Djokovic / Federer have five ATP Finals each, Nadal none. If on clay it would likely be 8-1-1 in Rafa's favour. A couple of Clay Finals wouldn't hurt! Indoors Nadal has to get 'lower' on his shots to compete and with his knee/wrist history, it's mind-boggling that he competes as he does.
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20/11/2020 01:34:00 3 4
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I think you need help. Firstly, Roger has won six Year Ends - the most in open era. Please get your facts correct. And you are right - Nadal has won none. Sadly for him. While you are at it, why don't they change the Australian Open and US Open to clay - would that please you??
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20/11/2020 00:48:32 3 8
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Goat! On clay maybe but you don’t know how he would have played against players of the old. Different everything coaches, food, rackets balls, trainers etc. 22 hard court titles and 3 grass! Not sure that can be the goat. Those 2 courts Andy Murray has like 15 more titles.
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20/11/2020 01:34:31 7 5
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He'd have crushed the players from 4 or 5 decades ago.
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20/11/2020 11:00:44 0 1
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Not saying he wouldn't, but I do think the technology has helped the players in this era. In (successfully) trying in the early '00s to stop serve-and-volley players winning everything with barely a rally matches, the game changed to the point where it is basically impossible to win unless you're a base-liner. Try playing that way with heavy wooden/metal rackets with much smaller sweet-spots.
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19/11/2020 23:53:34 11 8
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How can you dislike Rafa?
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20/11/2020 02:21:30 5 5
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You have to watch Nadal's matches on playback, so you can fast forward between points while he scratches his bum, balls, fiddles with hair, ears & bounces ball 6/7 times before serving, & umpires don't penalise him for hitting 30 secs. + the 7-mins bathroom breaks when he's losing, & holding his hand up when receiving to make his opponent wait. Connors & Becker both did it. Some say it's cheating.
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20/11/2020 08:09:47 1 6
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Just in case you've never realised, tennis is a physical sport & only Federer who has the more natural all-round game to keep his points/games short.
Nadal on the other hand hasn't got that and has to fight harder even on his own service games and the means exerting more effort and therefore gets more tired than others.
What's wrong if he takes his time to recover and normally within time limit?
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19/11/2020 23:01:57 54 5
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When Nadal started his career, I thought of him as defensive with his heavy spin and speed across the court.
What I realise now is that he is incredible and he is able to turn defence into attack at the drop of a hat.
A great in a trio of greats, Nadal will be a very difficult man to replace and I’m pleased he is still able to perform at such a high level with his injury history.
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20/11/2020 02:49:08 7 6
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Nadal is an amazing champ & you have to admire how he's improved his game to adapt to different surfaces. If you truly understand tennis, you'd realise with his full western grip he's a clay courter, & his game was based on putting more top spin on the ball - just like Albert Costa or Sergi Bruguera. It's not cut out for faster, lower bouncing indoor courts (& I'm not a Novak or Roger fanatic)
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20/11/2020 09:58:10 0 1
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You clearly are not in that camp. Watch his first US open victory, last three matches. Then have a little break to think, and post again.
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20/11/2020 20:26:17 0 0
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does pretty well then with that western grip disability, right?
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20/11/2020 03:09:39 1 1
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Verneuil 1424 (gosh, what a cowardly start from the some of us, just for the rest of us to regroup and smash the french & and the scots ;)

St James LOL never heard of a victory like this x;)

Cravant against the F & Scots :)

Ends up 3-1 to the English in what the Scots participated in directly (& yet in the win they won Bauge, when we only had 1.5 employed to their french-scots of 5k LOL x:)
actually it was Herrings 1429 we defeated the scots lol ;) gosh but i love st james xx;)
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20/11/2020 00:55:09 7 7
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He is one of the greats but how can he be the best if he never won the Year-End tournament? Or only one indoor hardcourt tournament ever?
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20/11/2020 03:16:56 12 2
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The problem with that is that you can make similar arguments for everyone you could possibly consider the greatest. How can Federer or Djokovic be the greatest if they never won an Olympic singles gold? How can Sampras be the greatest if he never won the French? Or Borg, if he never won the US?

Who you think is the GOAT is ultimately subjective, and there's no 'right' answer.
Verneuil 1424 (gosh, what a cowardly start from the some of us, just for the rest of us to regroup and smash the french & and the scots ;)

St James LOL never heard of a victory like this x;)

Cravant against the F & Scots :)

Ends up 3-1 to the English in what the Scots participated in directly (& yet in the win they won Bauge, when we only had 1.5 employed to their french-scots of 5k LOL x:)
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20/11/2020 03:21:14 1 1
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actually it was Herrings 1429 we defeated the scots lol ;) gosh but i love st james xx;)
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20/11/2020 03:37:57 2 25
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Stefanos appeared to take it easy on Nadal. One gets the feeling he intentionally eased up. To any tennis aficionado it is clear that Nadal well on his way to being beaten and beaten badly.

Now surely, Mr Nadal will find out he is out of his depth in the Semis. Adios
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20/11/2020 08:23:53 13 2
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Another brilliant comment Mrs Troll. I think you must be ill. I recommend you see a Doctor.
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20/11/2020 03:41:58 3 28
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As Johnny Mac and Boris Becker have both said, Rafa is a pretty decent clay courter

He is lucky he was born in a very weak era. Had Stefanos or Daniil or Sascha been born 15 years earlier they would have swept most of the slams. Of course if Thiem was born 15 years earlier he would have owned 30 to 35 slams by now and Rog and Rafa would be owners of a couple at the most
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20/11/2020 20:59:17 0 0
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haha, now it is clear you are joking. Sooooooo dry it nearly snuck past me
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20/11/2020 03:46:27 2 23
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One shudders to think how badly Roger would have lost to Schwartzman in this event. It is good Roger was incapacitated. Diego at his peak as he is now is too hot to handle for both Roger and Rafa as he found out in Rome. Poor Rafa was so badly embarrassed on his supposedly best surface. Must have been demoralizing for Rafa. I have never seen him crushed and dispirited as he was in that match.
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20/11/2020 01:26:13 29 7
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I hope Rafa goes on to win this title. I think he has been playing well. Has done enough to reach the semi finals. Wish him all the best there. Then hope he plays his best tennis and wins the title. He would make my day. Love Rafa. He is a very humble guy. Great personality.
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20/11/2020 03:48:30 2 40
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It is well known to everyone in Majorca that Nadal family and Rafa in particular are extremely arrogant. They are not liked by many on the island. People have been praying they would leave the island and settle down in Barcelona
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20/11/2020 05:53:55 23 1
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I live on a different Spanish island but what you say is a load of tosh. Rafa is well respected and loved on Mallorca and I don't think arrogant is what they think of him. I've never heard a Spaniard speak out against him. Is this titbit picked up from the English gutter press - just how good is your Spanish? You obviously don't like him but just sheath the claws!
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20/11/2020 07:51:49 20 1
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Rafa has built and runs a fabulous tennis academy in his home town which provides employment and a wonderful facility for top class athletes to train but also local school children to use. We saw hundreds of them coming in each day to use it when we were there. The people there adore him.
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20/11/2020 07:57:14 12 1
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And you know this HOW?
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20/11/2020 08:24:53 12 1
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Troll!
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20/11/2020 13:20:57 6 0
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Boy, your attempts at trolling are really really substandard ?? anyone who knows anything about tennis (and you clearly have not the faintest clue) is well aware that Rafa is universally adored and respected across the island. Take your pathetic attempts at trolling to another website.
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Mo
20/11/2020 14:02:22 3 0
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Thats just about the biggest fib in sporting history
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20/11/2020 20:35:59 0 0
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you're little secret
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20/11/2020 03:54:07 12 11
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Rafa is the best player of the current big 3.
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20/11/2020 04:07:16 0 21
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No doubt he is a decent clay court player, and at the same level as Bruguera perhaps almost as good as Muster or Courier on clay.

He certainly lucked out, as did Rog and Djoker to be playing in such a weak era
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20/11/2020 03:56:54 8 11
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Those who try to deny Rafa’s greatness because he hasn't won yet a year's end final forget that indoor hardcourt is a truly minority surface.
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20/11/2020 04:09:25 0 24
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No denying his greatness. He was definitely a decent clay court player, can't be denied

He is quite terrible on faster courts. Sampras on clay was a thousand times better than Nadal on faster courts
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20/11/2020 03:54:07 12 11
bbc
Rafa is the best player of the current big 3.
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20/11/2020 04:07:16 0 21
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No doubt he is a decent clay court player, and at the same level as Bruguera perhaps almost as good as Muster or Courier on clay.

He certainly lucked out, as did Rog and Djoker to be playing in such a weak era
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20/11/2020 03:56:54 8 11
bbc
Those who try to deny Rafa’s greatness because he hasn't won yet a year's end final forget that indoor hardcourt is a truly minority surface.
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20/11/2020 04:09:25 0 24
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No denying his greatness. He was definitely a decent clay court player, can't be denied

He is quite terrible on faster courts. Sampras on clay was a thousand times better than Nadal on faster courts
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20/11/2020 09:29:14 1 1
bbc
Quite a decent clay court player? For a man with 13 RG titles almost 94% won in all clay tournaments...sampras on clay is 1000times better than rafa on faster courts? Sampras is a pathetic clay court player his game is built on pure serve and volley that's why he is not even enter a final in RG.bythe way rafa won just one USO less than sampras USO 's tally..
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Tim
20/11/2020 09:59:04 1 1
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Nadal is so terrible on faster courts that he's only won 7 grand slams on them? As many as John McEnroe.
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20/11/2020 04:20:36 3 19
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On a faster surface rafa looks as graceful as a cow on a skate rink as Maria Sharapova so eloquently stated
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20/11/2020 08:21:14 10 1
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Certainly not eloquent, stupid, inaccurate and insulting I'd say. He's won him 4 US open titles on hard courts. Is his Tennis effective? Answer yes. End of story.
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MK
20/11/2020 12:16:07 1 0
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Don't think Sharapova herself had much grace!
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20/11/2020 04:35:07 0 23
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Come on, let's face it. We all know that if Michael Stich or Goran Ivanisevic were born 10 years later, they would have won practically every single slam from 2004 to now. Every single one.
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20/11/2020 19:21:13 1 0
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Ermm fiona stop talking from your backside. you are stinking the place out
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20/11/2020 04:46:28 11 9
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Why is it that we have 1 grand slam on clay. 1 grand slam on grass.

But 2 grand slams on hard court and the end of year finals on hard court?

The Olympics are almost always played on hard court as well?

Seems kind of unfair that hard court specialists have such an advantage and so many more opportunities to win tournaments
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20/11/2020 05:41:48 2 14
bbc
Hard court is the most neutral surface. Clay & Grass are specialist surfaces. Although in the WTA many can only play well on hard courts like Naomi Osaka but that's because the women's game is rather one-dimensional with many players lacking a Plan B.
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20/11/2020 07:44:58 4 1
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Because it's by far the cheapest to maintain sadly.
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20/11/2020 09:14:25 1 1
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Grass courts take a lot to maintain and can only be used certain times of the year.
Clay courts are the similar.
Hard courts have very little maintenance needed so they are the cheapest option
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20/11/2020 09:36:11 3 1
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You are wrong. London 2012 Olympics was on grass.
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20/11/2020 11:57:12 0 0
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2012
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20/11/2020 14:25:10 0 0
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Because hard courts can be played on anywhere in the world at any time of year. 40% of the tour is on clay so it's not disadvantageous to clay court specialists. Remember in 2005, Nadal won most of his matches on clay to get to number 2 in the rankings.
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20/11/2020 04:46:28 11 9
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Why is it that we have 1 grand slam on clay. 1 grand slam on grass.

But 2 grand slams on hard court and the end of year finals on hard court?

The Olympics are almost always played on hard court as well?

Seems kind of unfair that hard court specialists have such an advantage and so many more opportunities to win tournaments
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20/11/2020 05:41:48 2 14
bbc
Hard court is the most neutral surface. Clay & Grass are specialist surfaces. Although in the WTA many can only play well on hard courts like Naomi Osaka but that's because the women's game is rather one-dimensional with many players lacking a Plan B.
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20/11/2020 09:09:17 3 2
bbc
A genuine question from someone and you reply with a totally sexist comment
What a sad little man
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20/11/2020 03:48:30 2 40
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It is well known to everyone in Majorca that Nadal family and Rafa in particular are extremely arrogant. They are not liked by many on the island. People have been praying they would leave the island and settle down in Barcelona
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20/11/2020 05:53:55 23 1
bbc
I live on a different Spanish island but what you say is a load of tosh. Rafa is well respected and loved on Mallorca and I don't think arrogant is what they think of him. I've never heard a Spaniard speak out against him. Is this titbit picked up from the English gutter press - just how good is your Spanish? You obviously don't like him but just sheath the claws!
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20/11/2020 07:25:58 22 2
bbc
Nadal is ageless and time and again he delivers when it matters. He relentlessly executes a game plan that he can change on the move from defence to attack with consulate ease. He is a true great in an era of three of the all time greats with Federer and Djokovic. He is the undisputed king of clay but can also play indoors.
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20/11/2020 07:55:29 10 1
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Yes and he's never won the ATP finals, so this would be a nice first for him if he can do it this year! Medvedev looking strong though...and I like Andre R (can't type his surname as for some reason it gets flagged as a rude word by the BBC...).
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20/11/2020 07:28:58 8 3
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Medvedev won this event. He’s playing well enough to beat Rafa or Novak.
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20/11/2020 07:45:00 5 3
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Good look to medvedev that would
Be nice to see
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20/11/2020 10:16:00 1 1
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Agreed, but hoping for a Nadal surprise win, he deserves it!
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20/11/2020 04:46:28 11 9
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Why is it that we have 1 grand slam on clay. 1 grand slam on grass.

But 2 grand slams on hard court and the end of year finals on hard court?

The Olympics are almost always played on hard court as well?

Seems kind of unfair that hard court specialists have such an advantage and so many more opportunities to win tournaments
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20/11/2020 07:44:58 4 1
bbc
Because it's by far the cheapest to maintain sadly.
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20/11/2020 07:28:58 8 3
bbc
I wouldn’t be surprised if Medvedev won this event. He’s playing well enough to beat Rafa or Novak.
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20/11/2020 07:45:00 5 3
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Good look to medvedev that would
Be nice to see
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Al
19/11/2020 23:14:21 17 4
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Fantastic result for Nadal. Even though this surface is by far the worst for him, he still manages to do well. Its a shame that these Final ATP Finals cant be played on random surfaces from year to year. Indoors always fav a certain player. Not necessarily the best - hence the last two winners = neither winning a GS yet.
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20/11/2020 07:46:03 2 2
bbc
I actually agree with this. The year end championships should reflect the year-they have to gather points on all surfaces to qualify for this so why not represent that by playing it on a different surface each season. I enjoy watching the O2 but it should be branded as an indoor slam or something rather than the tour finals as it only represents a small fraction of the tour
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20/11/2020 07:55:10 1 2
bbc
You do realise that we are at the tailend of the indoor season? That's why it's played indoors.
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20/11/2020 10:54:09 0 1
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It wouldn't work with the long-term deals they have for the host venue. I mean, good luck playing on grass in November in the UK, for instance.
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20/11/2020 03:48:30 2 40
bbc
It is well known to everyone in Majorca that Nadal family and Rafa in particular are extremely arrogant. They are not liked by many on the island. People have been praying they would leave the island and settle down in Barcelona
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20/11/2020 07:51:49 20 1
bbc
Rafa has built and runs a fabulous tennis academy in his home town which provides employment and a wonderful facility for top class athletes to train but also local school children to use. We saw hundreds of them coming in each day to use it when we were there. The people there adore him.
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20/11/2020 07:46:03 2 2
bbc
I actually agree with this. The year end championships should reflect the year-they have to gather points on all surfaces to qualify for this so why not represent that by playing it on a different surface each season. I enjoy watching the O2 but it should be branded as an indoor slam or something rather than the tour finals as it only represents a small fraction of the tour
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20/11/2020 07:55:10 1 2
bbc
You do realise that we are at the tailend of the indoor season? That's why it's played indoors.
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20/11/2020 12:18:57 0 0
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It's not cold everywhere at this time of the year. Having it indoors in London every year does not represent the majority of the tour. It should be played in different locations, on different surfaces, or re-branded
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20/11/2020 07:25:58 22 2
bbc
Nadal is ageless and time and again he delivers when it matters. He relentlessly executes a game plan that he can change on the move from defence to attack with consulate ease. He is a true great in an era of three of the all time greats with Federer and Djokovic. He is the undisputed king of clay but can also play indoors.
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20/11/2020 07:55:29 10 1
bbc
Yes and he's never won the ATP finals, so this would be a nice first for him if he can do it this year! Medvedev looking strong though...and I like Andre R (can't type his surname as for some reason it gets flagged as a rude word by the BBC...).
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20/11/2020 03:48:30 2 40
bbc
It is well known to everyone in Majorca that Nadal family and Rafa in particular are extremely arrogant. They are not liked by many on the island. People have been praying they would leave the island and settle down in Barcelona
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20/11/2020 07:57:14 12 1
bbc
And you know this HOW?
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20/11/2020 02:21:30 5 5
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You have to watch Nadal's matches on playback, so you can fast forward between points while he scratches his bum, balls, fiddles with hair, ears & bounces ball 6/7 times before serving, & umpires don't penalise him for hitting 30 secs. + the 7-mins bathroom breaks when he's losing, & holding his hand up when receiving to make his opponent wait. Connors & Becker both did it. Some say it's cheating.
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20/11/2020 08:09:47 1 6
bbc
Just in case you've never realised, tennis is a physical sport & only Federer who has the more natural all-round game to keep his points/games short.
Nadal on the other hand hasn't got that and has to fight harder even on his own service games and the means exerting more effort and therefore gets more tired than others.
What's wrong if he takes his time to recover and normally within time limit?
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20/11/2020 00:42:58 2 3
bbc
Prime is the standard of future, sadly. Don't look there for quality, but is there a choice?
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20/11/2020 08:11:27 1 1
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I got the buffer too and my internet is fast
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20/11/2020 00:21:12 3 2
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The womens game is so much more competitive nowadays. So many different players winning Grand slams. Its a foregone conclusion in the mens game. so stale, boring and predictable.
You're sad man.
Get a life or just stick to watching women!
Removed
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20/11/2020 04:20:36 3 19
bbc
On a faster surface rafa looks as graceful as a cow on a skate rink as Maria Sharapova so eloquently stated
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20/11/2020 08:21:14 10 1
bbc
Certainly not eloquent, stupid, inaccurate and insulting I'd say. He's won him 4 US open titles on hard courts. Is his Tennis effective? Answer yes. End of story.
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20/11/2020 03:37:57 2 25
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Stefanos appeared to take it easy on Nadal. One gets the feeling he intentionally eased up. To any tennis aficionado it is clear that Nadal well on his way to being beaten and beaten badly.

Now surely, Mr Nadal will find out he is out of his depth in the Semis. Adios
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20/11/2020 08:23:53 13 2
bbc
Another brilliant comment Mrs Troll. I think you must be ill. I recommend you see a Doctor.
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20/11/2020 03:48:30 2 40
bbc
It is well known to everyone in Majorca that Nadal family and Rafa in particular are extremely arrogant. They are not liked by many on the island. People have been praying they would leave the island and settle down in Barcelona
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20/11/2020 08:24:53 12 1
bbc
Troll!
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19/11/2020 23:53:34 11 8
bbc
How can you dislike Rafa?
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20/11/2020 08:42:01 0 3
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Quite easily.
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20/11/2020 08:49:38 2 8
bbc
Murray is a GOAT!!!
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20/11/2020 16:46:25 0 0
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Sid Boggle is a troll who has changed their username 77 times.
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20/11/2020 05:41:48 2 14
bbc
Hard court is the most neutral surface. Clay & Grass are specialist surfaces. Although in the WTA many can only play well on hard courts like Naomi Osaka but that's because the women's game is rather one-dimensional with many players lacking a Plan B.
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20/11/2020 09:09:17 3 2
bbc
A genuine question from someone and you reply with a totally sexist comment
What a sad little man
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20/11/2020 04:46:28 11 9
bbc
Why is it that we have 1 grand slam on clay. 1 grand slam on grass.

But 2 grand slams on hard court and the end of year finals on hard court?

The Olympics are almost always played on hard court as well?

Seems kind of unfair that hard court specialists have such an advantage and so many more opportunities to win tournaments
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20/11/2020 09:14:25 1 1
bbc
Grass courts take a lot to maintain and can only be used certain times of the year.
Clay courts are the similar.
Hard courts have very little maintenance needed so they are the cheapest option
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20/11/2020 04:09:25 0 24
bbc
No denying his greatness. He was definitely a decent clay court player, can't be denied

He is quite terrible on faster courts. Sampras on clay was a thousand times better than Nadal on faster courts
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20/11/2020 09:29:14 1 1
bbc
Quite a decent clay court player? For a man with 13 RG titles almost 94% won in all clay tournaments...sampras on clay is 1000times better than rafa on faster courts? Sampras is a pathetic clay court player his game is built on pure serve and volley that's why he is not even enter a final in RG.bythe way rafa won just one USO less than sampras USO 's tally..
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20/11/2020 04:46:28 11 9
bbc
Why is it that we have 1 grand slam on clay. 1 grand slam on grass.

But 2 grand slams on hard court and the end of year finals on hard court?

The Olympics are almost always played on hard court as well?

Seems kind of unfair that hard court specialists have such an advantage and so many more opportunities to win tournaments
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20/11/2020 09:36:11 3 1
bbc
You are wrong. London 2012 Olympics was on grass.
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Tim
20/11/2020 09:52:12 0 1
bbc
Hence "almost always".
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20/11/2020 14:22:29 0 0
bbc
Thumbs down on a fact stated? ..... so absurd
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20/11/2020 01:26:13 29 7
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I hope Rafa goes on to win this title. I think he has been playing well. Has done enough to reach the semi finals. Wish him all the best there. Then hope he plays his best tennis and wins the title. He would make my day. Love Rafa. He is a very humble guy. Great personality.
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20/11/2020 09:46:44 3 1
bbc
And he and Roger are pals! How cool is that?
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20/11/2020 09:36:11 3 1
bbc
You are wrong. London 2012 Olympics was on grass.
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Tim
20/11/2020 09:52:12 0 1
bbc
Hence "almost always".
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20/11/2020 02:49:08 7 6
bbc
Nadal is an amazing champ & you have to admire how he's improved his game to adapt to different surfaces. If you truly understand tennis, you'd realise with his full western grip he's a clay courter, & his game was based on putting more top spin on the ball - just like Albert Costa or Sergi Bruguera. It's not cut out for faster, lower bouncing indoor courts (& I'm not a Novak or Roger fanatic)
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20/11/2020 09:58:10 0 1
bbc
You clearly are not in that camp. Watch his first US open victory, last three matches. Then have a little break to think, and post again.
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20/11/2020 04:09:25 0 24
bbc
No denying his greatness. He was definitely a decent clay court player, can't be denied

He is quite terrible on faster courts. Sampras on clay was a thousand times better than Nadal on faster courts
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Tim
20/11/2020 09:59:04 1 1
bbc
Nadal is so terrible on faster courts that he's only won 7 grand slams on them? As many as John McEnroe.
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jr
20/11/2020 10:13:33 4 9
bbc
A Healthy Nadal has always been the goat ??
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20/11/2020 07:28:58 8 3
bbc
I wouldn’t be surprised if Medvedev won this event. He’s playing well enough to beat Rafa or Novak.
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20/11/2020 10:16:00 1 1
bbc
Agreed, but hoping for a Nadal surprise win, he deserves it!
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20/11/2020 00:03:17 9 17
bbc
Then please explain why the King of Clay has only ever won ONE indoor hardcourt tournament in his whole career?
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20/11/2020 10:27:48 4 1
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indoor hard is quite rare conditions. Slams are Grass, Clay and 2x outdoor hard. Most Masters are outdoor, There used to be carpet (super quick) surface indoor too, which many tournaments converted to indoor HC. Its still a specialist set of conditions, so you find many players have not won huge numbers on it. Many would like to see the WFT rotate surface each year to represent the season better.
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20/11/2020 11:30:11 0 0
bbc
Quite right. I’m still disappointed that carpet is no longer used as there definitely was a place for it
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20/11/2020 07:46:03 2 2
bbc
I actually agree with this. The year end championships should reflect the year-they have to gather points on all surfaces to qualify for this so why not represent that by playing it on a different surface each season. I enjoy watching the O2 but it should be branded as an indoor slam or something rather than the tour finals as it only represents a small fraction of the tour
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20/11/2020 10:54:09 0 1
bbc
It wouldn't work with the long-term deals they have for the host venue. I mean, good luck playing on grass in November in the UK, for instance.
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20/11/2020 12:21:21 0 0
bbc
I agree with that. Why does it have to be at the O2 every year though? Why not play Indian Wells one year, Madrid the next etc. As I said, I do enjoy this tournament, but it should be standalone as maybe the World Indoor Championships, rather than representative of the whole season
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20/11/2020 00:00:07 2 5
bbc
The floor is open - lol .....
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20/11/2020 10:56:49 0 1
bbc
Shots were fired...no reply ??
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20/11/2020 01:34:31 7 5
bbc
He'd have crushed the players from 4 or 5 decades ago.
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20/11/2020 11:00:44 0 1
bbc
Not saying he wouldn't, but I do think the technology has helped the players in this era. In (successfully) trying in the early '00s to stop serve-and-volley players winning everything with barely a rally matches, the game changed to the point where it is basically impossible to win unless you're a base-liner. Try playing that way with heavy wooden/metal rackets with much smaller sweet-spots.
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20/11/2020 11:27:09 2 6
bbc
Nadal has always been the most tedious and boring player to watch, with his tics and superstitions and his one dimensional brutal physical game. No pleasure at all. Just boring repetitive rallies. And boring pretence at humility.
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20/11/2020 20:53:36 0 0
bbc
20 GS... equal to the maestro. ouch
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20/11/2020 11:29:27 3 1
bbc
only guarantees in life during this troubled time.death taxes and rafa winning the french open
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20/11/2020 12:42:23 1 0
bbc
What happened in 2009, 2015 and 2016 then?
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20/11/2020 10:27:48 4 1
bbc
indoor hard is quite rare conditions. Slams are Grass, Clay and 2x outdoor hard. Most Masters are outdoor, There used to be carpet (super quick) surface indoor too, which many tournaments converted to indoor HC. Its still a specialist set of conditions, so you find many players have not won huge numbers on it. Many would like to see the WFT rotate surface each year to represent the season better.
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20/11/2020 11:30:11 0 0
bbc
Quite right. I’m still disappointed that carpet is no longer used as there definitely was a place for it
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20/11/2020 11:43:51 2 0
bbc
Got to question Tsiptipas mental strength & belief, think Theim seems to have found this, thats why he beat Nadal & probably the biggest threat to the big 3, Medvedev is getting there. Nadals game is very physical not sure how much longer he can keep this up even on clay. Then there are the likes of Sinner & a couple of other young Italians!
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20/11/2020 11:50:27 1 0
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Mental strength & belief is so important in tennis, its the diff between very good to greatness! Most players in the top 50 are talented & work hard, however how many bottle it? Speaking from experience i have played players so called pushers who have beat me because i let them frustrate me mentally when this happens you stop thinking concentrating etc. you question yourself & lose!