What price Woods making history in golf's new gambling era?
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As Tiger Woods goes in search of a record-breaking 83rd PGA Tour win at a course on which he has won five times, Iain Carter rails against the new gambling regime adopted by the game in the US.
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Although many of the regular Tour players don't compete for the prize money itself - they have enough in the bank already - there are some who could potentially become tempted? Maybe miss the odd putt here and there, or swing out of their shoes to try to get that longest drive accolade even though they might run out of fairway. Or even throw a hole in a Match Play competition? Just saying...
This might be more true on the developmental tours, the same way most of the tennis betting scandals involve the lesser lights at minor events that still have odds available.
I’d have thought this was a certainty!
BBC pushing Woods, just like they write more about McIlroy at the CJ Cup even though he finish miles behind Hatton.
McIlroy hits a 66 and gets an article, but not a word on Hattons 65 the previous day.
The facts show the BBC are biased and it stinks.
BBC - Please report on the best in a toutnament, not just your favourites.
McIlroy hits a 66 and gets an article, but not a word on Hattons 65 the previous day.
The facts show the BBC are biased and it stinks.
BBC - Please report on the best in a toutnament, not just your favourites.
Perhaps when Hatton does it consistently for 10 years he'll get the headlines more often?
A quick search of the golf front page on the BBC website today shows 4 articles with Hatton in the title. A search will find you five more articles where Hatton is the focus of the article in the last two weeks.
Why the BBC would comment on the former world number (who has been there for more weeks than anyone else is ever likely to be), has won 15 majors (only bettered by one man), and is tied for the all time PGA tour wins (and trying to beat it) is beyond me as well.
Oh wait...
Oh wait...
So you can't understand why RM and TW get more written about them? really? You're comment all about them is currently the highest rated on here and has spawned a load or replies and interest from others. But you still can't work out why the BBC give them more coverage? Like it or not people engage with articles about them more than the others, hence your 75 thumbs up and counting.
Fair play to Newcastle fans for raising 20k for charity. Can't comment on the football page because of bbc censorship
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Sadly it’s poisonous. The whole betting company approach to football in this country is to show that without money riding on the outcome you are somehow missing out. The thrill of the sporting event itself is no longer enough. Apps make it easy to place bets in a second. Also in tv advertising land nobody ever loses when they place a bet, it’s all about the thrill of winning......
Before the 'Tiger haters' jump onboard.... it always feels like a major now whenever Tiger tees it up. It will become less frequent so we should be enjoying what little golf we see of this great player, some would say the greatest sportsman of his generation.
If he kept his morals at the same high standard as his golf has achieved there would be no need to lead as you have, remember on this HYS you started it!!
I do enjoy every competition he tees up because I know we're one closer to witnessing the end of it ??
Best golfer of all time probably sportsman never self centred git
Fair play to Newcastle fans for raising 20k for charity. Can't comment on the football page because of bbc censorship
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Before the 'Tiger haters' jump onboard.... it always feels like a major now whenever Tiger tees it up. It will become less frequent so we should be enjoying what little golf we see of this great player, some would say the greatest sportsman of his generation.
Tiger tiger Burning bright, win another major, right???
I won't be rushing to back him, even at 28-1.
BBC pushing Woods, just like they write more about McIlroy at the CJ Cup even though he finish miles behind Hatton.
McIlroy hits a 66 and gets an article, but not a word on Hattons 65 the previous day.
The facts show the BBC are biased and it stinks.
BBC - Please report on the best in a toutnament, not just your favourites.
McIlroy hits a 66 and gets an article, but not a word on Hattons 65 the previous day.
The facts show the BBC are biased and it stinks.
BBC - Please report on the best in a toutnament, not just your favourites.
6 shots dropped in the last 5 holes though...
Not the point I love Fergie was making...in fact, as Rory M has been consistently good for 10 years - perhaps even more kudos to Mr H for 'besting' Rory on this occasion. At least give him a praise where it is due paragraph even if RM rightly attracts the column inches
Has McIlroy been 'consistently good'? I'd hate to see what playing poorly is if that's the case!
Remind me, what did Rory shoot on the Sunday? He has one of the highest final day averages scores. Should have won so much more with talent.
I apply the Henry Longhurst test: would the great man have approved? Well, he certainly enjoyed a drink or three and I'm inclined to believe he was tempted by the odd flutter. And I'm enthused by the thought of Peter Allis replacing Ray Winstone as the face of free-six-five bettin'. My proviso would be keep betting logos off apparel and bags and absolutely no TV advertising during live play.
Perhaps when Hatton does it consistently for 10 years he'll get the headlines more often?
So an article that's ostensibly nothing about him is driven by a headline about Woods.
Who'd have thunk it?
Who'd have thunk it?
Before the 'Tiger haters' jump onboard.... it always feels like a major now whenever Tiger tees it up. It will become less frequent so we should be enjoying what little golf we see of this great player, some would say the greatest sportsman of his generation.
Taking the moral stance these days is old fashioned and makes not a jot of difference. Money talks, sadly golf will surrender to the kings shilling in the same way that other sports have.
I just hope the sanctimonious Tour moguls don’t keep banging on about our great game, because they are doing their level best to destroy it.
I just hope the sanctimonious Tour moguls don’t keep banging on about our great game, because they are doing their level best to destroy it.
Interesting and topical article. I would be astonished if the European Tour took the same approach. My problem with it is the under 18 demographic who watch golf to enjoy and learn the game. It would be a shame if their attention is diverted to gambling. Thankfully here in Europe we only have to put up with ad breaks offering solutions to hair loss and erectile dysfunction
Although many of the regular Tour players don't compete for the prize money itself - they have enough in the bank already - there are some who could potentially become tempted? Maybe miss the odd putt here and there, or swing out of their shoes to try to get that longest drive accolade even though they might run out of fairway. Or even throw a hole in a Match Play competition? Just saying...
Money and greed will eventually infiltrate and ruin most major sports. It is sad that golf has gone the same way
Sadly it’s poisonous. The whole betting company approach to football in this country is to show that without money riding on the outcome you are somehow missing out. The thrill of the sporting event itself is no longer enough. Apps make it easy to place bets in a second. Also in tv advertising land nobody ever loses when they place a bet, it’s all about the thrill of winning......
Surely it comes down to the individual's sensibilities?
Like anything it comes down to the difference between having a bit of fun and taking things too far.
You can have 25p each way on a 66\1 shot just like you can have a few pints with friends.
It's all too easy to jump on a 'gambling is ruining sport' band wagon but if you have no self control even without advertising you will come a cropper.
Like anything it comes down to the difference between having a bit of fun and taking things too far.
You can have 25p each way on a 66\1 shot just like you can have a few pints with friends.
It's all too easy to jump on a 'gambling is ruining sport' band wagon but if you have no self control even without advertising you will come a cropper.
I personally do not need to bet to enjoy golf. Good luck if that floats your boat. I simply wish that golf was easier to watch on free to air TV, in particular The Open which should be available to all and is the ultimate advert for golf in this country.
The massive over manning of BBC sport in general and golf means they cannot afford the rights as well.
If only your sensible approach was adopted...I'm with you to the last fairway, hey ho...we have to be both realistic and optimistic - the terrestrial broadcast of Women's Cricket recently was a revelation and our Boys stuff was ok - failing that take up painting! :-)
It’s depressing that the game I’ve played for 30 years is heading in the wrong direction. It was so refreshing to to watch players struggle in the Scottish open, battling the elements and using creativity & nouse rather than the smash & grab strategy that dominates the PGA Tour.
According to Ben Everill, the official reporter on PGATOUR.COM (in his article "Schauffele vows to learn from lost fight" on October 18, 2020), Jason Kokrak "hadn’t won on TOUR in 322 tries".
What's the betting that Iain Carter has got his "facts" mixed up again?
What's the betting that Iain Carter has got his "facts" mixed up again?
Once again this weekend we got some great champions. Shooting 64 on sunday to win your first tournament nearly got as much coverage as MclLroy's "superb " 66, which took him from near last to somewhere near the middle of the table, whilst Kokrak was doing his business at the sharp end.
My money is always on Bob, and I am pretty skint.
My money is always on Bob, and I am pretty skint.
I think Bob has realised he's no good now. He couldn't even face playing his second round on Friday after shooting a score in the high 70s on Thursday on as easy a course as you could wish for.
Once again this weekend we got some great champions. Shooting 64 on sunday to win your first tournament nearly got as much coverage as MclLroy's "superb " 66, which took him from near last to somewhere near the middle of the table, whilst Kokrak was doing his business at the sharp end.
My money is always on Bob, and I am pretty skint.
My money is always on Bob, and I am pretty skint.
Before the 'Tiger haters' jump onboard.... it always feels like a major now whenever Tiger tees it up. It will become less frequent so we should be enjoying what little golf we see of this great player, some would say the greatest sportsman of his generation.
The us manages to ruin something else.
Anything that awful country touched that hasn’t gotten worse?
Anything that awful country touched that hasn’t gotten worse?
I personally do not need to bet to enjoy golf. Good luck if that floats your boat. I simply wish that golf was easier to watch on free to air TV, in particular The Open which should be available to all and is the ultimate advert for golf in this country.
Just out of interest, how much do you think the correspondents are on and how much do you think the rights are? Even cutting 50% of the sport staff probably still wouldn't save enough to afford the rights to a significant portion of the live coverage and they'd have no on left to actually cover it!
Superb stuff from Otaegui on the back 9. Pleased for Kokrak, too , beating a very strong field.
Thanks to the PGA going down this rotten path, finally gives me the impetus to cancel my Sky Sports.
I cancelled about 18 months ago. If there is anything I want to watch there are lots of 'streams' for free if you know where to look.
What kept you ?I woke up years ago
The us manages to ruin something else.
Anything that awful country touched that hasn’t gotten worse?
Anything that awful country touched that hasn’t gotten worse?
Golf and sport in the same sentence doesn't make sense its a skilled pastime. You never hear a golfer talking after a round out of breath, its in the same bracket as snooker bridge dominoes and darts
Western culture just grows more and more debased, desperate and corrupted.
Where does this profiteering & pilfering end???
Where does this profiteering & pilfering end???
Desolation.
Even if you won a large sum you'd have no friends to share it with, because you're a golf fan.
156 players (say) enter a golf tournament and 155 lose. Doesn’t really sound like a sport you would want to bet on does it?
Sport and corruption are never far away, look at last weekend’s boxing in the Ritson fight and how MS Dhoni jogs singles in a T20 match. I thought golf was above this but sadly not. What a depressing development this is.
Although many of the regular Tour players don't compete for the prize money itself - they have enough in the bank already - there are some who could potentially become tempted? Maybe miss the odd putt here and there, or swing out of their shoes to try to get that longest drive accolade even though they might run out of fairway. Or even throw a hole in a Match Play competition? Just saying...
Surely it comes down to the individual's sensibilities?
Like anything it comes down to the difference between having a bit of fun and taking things too far.
You can have 25p each way on a 66\1 shot just like you can have a few pints with friends.
It's all too easy to jump on a 'gambling is ruining sport' band wagon but if you have no self control even without advertising you will come a cropper.
Like anything it comes down to the difference between having a bit of fun and taking things too far.
You can have 25p each way on a 66\1 shot just like you can have a few pints with friends.
It's all too easy to jump on a 'gambling is ruining sport' band wagon but if you have no self control even without advertising you will come a cropper.
It can only end in tears.
A stupid, short-sighted move, chasing more more than they need.
Destroys their sport, no longer a sport of course.
A stupid, short-sighted move, chasing more more than they need.
Destroys their sport, no longer a sport of course.
correction -(more money than they need)
It can only end in tears.
A stupid, short-sighted move, chasing more more than they need.
Destroys their sport, no longer a sport of course.
A stupid, short-sighted move, chasing more more than they need.
Destroys their sport, no longer a sport of course.
Anyone remember when you woke up on a Monday and as golf fans couldn’t wait for the comments section?!
Are you mad? Unless you’re a McIlroy/Woods fan you will continue to be disappointed. Who in their right mind would entertain the idea that golf fans would be interested in current tournaments/winners/great stories etc. Answers on a postcard.
What I find strange is that we can not comment during a PGA Tour or Euro Tour event as they are happening.
You saw again here how quickly those tournaments are quickly ignored and the subject switches very quickly to Woods or MclLroy.
Why is this?
There are dozens of golfing superstars out there.
Luckily, thanks to Sky, I get to enjoy these tournaments and as you say this site died years ago.
You saw again here how quickly those tournaments are quickly ignored and the subject switches very quickly to Woods or MclLroy.
Why is this?
There are dozens of golfing superstars out there.
Luckily, thanks to Sky, I get to enjoy these tournaments and as you say this site died years ago.
I love watching golf but detest gambling which has ruined a friend of mine's life.....oh dear...this isn't good ..but unfortunately and rather depressingly,not surprised
complete non story by carter,i have been betting on golf for over 30 years.The rewards golfers get completely dwarf how much they would get from betting,as for tiger woods if you bet on him now you might as well put your money down the drain.(unless you can get a price that carter will mention him at least once a week)
Once again this weekend we got some great champions. Shooting 64 on sunday to win your first tournament nearly got as much coverage as MclLroy's "superb " 66, which took him from near last to somewhere near the middle of the table, whilst Kokrak was doing his business at the sharp end.
My money is always on Bob, and I am pretty skint.
My money is always on Bob, and I am pretty skint.
Most golfers have a flutter when playing their regular 4ball or 2 ball but the small amount most of us play for is for nothing as the winners buy the drinks on the Nineteenth. It is to be hope that the introduction of big time gambling into golf does not draw the shady characters that is all to likely. As for Tiger he has been a phenomena but give me Nicklaus any day.
You can win occasionally and suddenly think you can do this, again.. Then your ducked in.. 99.995 per cnt lose long term
Ian Carter's continued and cringeworthy fauning over Tiger Woods is like a thirteen year old girl's screams at a boy band. Except the little girls grow up, get embarrassed at themselves and move on.
Carter’s previous 24 columns include the reigning Masters champion in the headline only once. In recent weeks he’s written about Hatton, Reid, Hall, DeChambeau, Morikawa etc. Don’t think he’s the one who should feel embarrassed.
gene sarazen hit the nail on the head over twenty years ago "there is too much money in golf"
You can win occasionally and suddenly think you can do this, again.. Then your ducked in.. 99.995 per cnt lose long term
The weekend golf. A Spaniard played lights out in the final round to take out Wallace who was disappointing and disappointed. Hatton almost took it to Las Vegas after a 20 hour journey and an 8 hour time difference. Good stuff. Betting for fun is fine,know your limits,sadly not everyone does. Still a HYS on the weeks tournaments would have been nice.
Sounds like another (unnecessary
one for me) opportunity to make money from golf. Nothing wrong with money - money is not, as is often misquoted, the root of all evil, it's the love or greed of it that's evil.
one for me) opportunity to make money from golf. Nothing wrong with money - money is not, as is often misquoted, the root of all evil, it's the love or greed of it that's evil.
This gets an HYS ? Why ?
Anyone remember when you woke up on a Monday and as golf fans couldn’t wait for the comments section?!
Let's see how you would get on then in a golf or snooker tournament
Whenever there is betting in sport, look at how likely corruption in micro bets is. If a 300-ranked player could make $20k by missing a putt on a certain hole, then would he? Snooker in the UK is similar, sumo wrestling in Japan. Individual sports with fine margins. I enjoy the PGA but would hate to watch it and wonder if gambling influence has affected the outcome
Anyone remember when you woke up on a Monday and as golf fans couldn’t wait for the comments section?!
What I find strange is that we can not comment during a PGA Tour or Euro Tour event as they are happening.
You saw again here how quickly those tournaments are quickly ignored and the subject switches very quickly to Woods or MclLroy.
Why is this?
There are dozens of golfing superstars out there.
Luckily, thanks to Sky, I get to enjoy these tournaments and as you say this site died years ago.
You saw again here how quickly those tournaments are quickly ignored and the subject switches very quickly to Woods or MclLroy.
Why is this?
There are dozens of golfing superstars out there.
Luckily, thanks to Sky, I get to enjoy these tournaments and as you say this site died years ago.
Perhaps when Hatton does it consistently for 10 years he'll get the headlines more often?
I personally do not need to bet to enjoy golf. Good luck if that floats your boat. I simply wish that golf was easier to watch on free to air TV, in particular The Open which should be available to all and is the ultimate advert for golf in this country.
If ever a sport was ripe for corruption Golf is it, imagine a player on the cut line being offered $50,000 to miss a putt when getting the putt might mean a chance to win just $5,000.
My Dad bet a little, mostly on the Grand National & the Boat Race etc.
He had a simple rule: left pocket for stake money & right pocket for winnings (Stake money was his 'pocket' money AFTER all bills were allowed for & long term savings secured)
Good training, at 70, I can still take £1 worth of 2ps to seaside slots & leave with winnings in my right pocket: Youngsters, please do not click & bet
He had a simple rule: left pocket for stake money & right pocket for winnings (Stake money was his 'pocket' money AFTER all bills were allowed for & long term savings secured)
Good training, at 70, I can still take £1 worth of 2ps to seaside slots & leave with winnings in my right pocket: Youngsters, please do not click & bet
I personally do not need to bet to enjoy golf. Good luck if that floats your boat. I simply wish that golf was easier to watch on free to air TV, in particular The Open which should be available to all and is the ultimate advert for golf in this country.
Hopefully the players have integrity (LOL) and don't participate in gambling themselves but what about the caddies?
Imagine a situation where you can bet on individual shots or holes and a caddy is "got at" by an unscrupulous gambler.
Caddy influences his player, who he knows isn't in the running to win, to take the wrong club in order that he misses the green. Kerching!!!
Imagine a situation where you can bet on individual shots or holes and a caddy is "got at" by an unscrupulous gambler.
Caddy influences his player, who he knows isn't in the running to win, to take the wrong club in order that he misses the green. Kerching!!!
Betting on golf has been allowed for decades in Britain and the far East,in fact all the UK online firms had to implement security measures to prevent US citizens from opening accounts with them.
All this is,is the US coming in line with the rest of the world.
Pretty much non story.
How many football teams in Britain are sponsored by Betting organisations ?
All this is,is the US coming in line with the rest of the world.
Pretty much non story.
How many football teams in Britain are sponsored by Betting organisations ?
I think the money involved in golf will prevent players from trying to make a quick buck.
Bookies aren't stupid,if you try to get a bet on a particular hole to win 10's of thousands of Pounds/Dollars they wont accept the bet.
Eddie Pepperell is ranked 95th in the world,yet has earned $6.5 MILLION ! (+ Sponsorship)
Why risk throwing your career away for 10/20/50 grand ?
Bookies aren't stupid,if you try to get a bet on a particular hole to win 10's of thousands of Pounds/Dollars they wont accept the bet.
Eddie Pepperell is ranked 95th in the world,yet has earned $6.5 MILLION ! (+ Sponsorship)
Why risk throwing your career away for 10/20/50 grand ?
Gambling ruins lives and families once you are hooked on then it’s very difficult to stop.
Ever seen a poor bookie?
Ever seen a poor bookie?
So true, my other half who bets online now and then on the horses, fell into the trap. I noticed our account was low and checking transactions, the odd "£20 now and then" had become a bit more regular. It's a nightmare that those with inability to see what's happening, just can't wake up from