'No sports crowds hateful but necessary'
14/10/2020 | sport | other | 152
Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden says he accepts that keeping spectators away from sports venues is "positively hateful" but necessary to stop the spread of coronavirus.
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14/10/2020 14:16:04 5 4
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If you can guarantee everybody will be wearing a mask, then it would be okay. But there are still some who will not, and be abusive when questioned.
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14/10/2020 14:16:44 11 5
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The o2 will be hosting events. How will these people get to the o2? I'm almost certain it will be by public transport! Where will these people get their food from? It won't be a lunch box. Its ridiculous to suggest that its because of how fans will get to and from the game or where they will congregate prior to the match.
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14/10/2020 14:21:32 24 3
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While fans are not allowed into grounds some nauseating Premier League snouts are trying to find ways of getting millions more into their overflowing troughs.. the same clubs who waste millions on players & their parasite agents!

Its plain stupid that the lower leagues & national leagues cant have any fans at all.. that needs to change or we'll lose them - smaller clubs matter!!
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14/10/2020 16:14:36 5 6
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Terrible activity from the government here regarding the smaller clubs.

A lot of people are saying that the government are deliberately forcing these teams out of business so their developer mates can buy the land up cheap and build lousy, high density housing on them!

I wouldn't put it past them!
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14/10/2020 14:22:07 7 13
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Football will not be allowed to have crowds again this season.

They'd best stop whinging and get used to it !

The Govt have promised financial help to stop lower division Clubs from going bust.

Hard to see what more they can do.

Its now up to Sky/BT and the Premier League to urgently agree a means of redistributing money throughout football.
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14/10/2020 14:24:07 2 4
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The chances of keeping crowds socially distant upon the scoring of a goal for instance would be between slim and none. That contact however would be brief and why is it still ok for people to socialise in enclosed spaces such as pubs? It is an absolute nonsense and I cannot help myself believing it is because of the leverage that big chain pub owners/Tory Party donors are exercising.
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14/10/2020 14:24:37 8 4
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With a bit of thinking outside the box it should be possible to get crowds back into lower league matches . 1 limit number of tickets issued ( First come first serve basis ) 2 online booking 3 allocate seats 4 no mask no entry 5 no food or drinks sold .
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14/10/2020 14:26:30 10 9
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Finally some logic at last! We can not have these hooligans spreading covid , they are the same people that cause trouble in pubs and refuse to wear masks! I have already seen clubs break these rules lower down in the football pyramid , so all hell would break loose if fans returned to prem football. Safety comes first! Keep clamping down on this before we hit a second spike.
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14/10/2020 14:34:27 7 7
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There are idiots amongst all sections of society if you break it down by any category. Not all football fans are ' hooligans ' , that's a lazy claim
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14/10/2020 16:46:19 0 0
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Too late we already have a 2nd spike, the BLM protests saw to that, the virus id finally getting through to those few percent of vulnerable in the nation and once again they are filling the hospital beds.
The virus is here to stay now so we must get on with life and live with it. Shield the few vulnerable from our population on 68 million until there is a vaccine for them.
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14/10/2020 14:32:33 10 8
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Second full lockdown is imminent, mainly due to idiots who haven't been following the rules, yet blame the government for everything. So, this is all academic really, real chance that the CL will be suspended due to travel restrictions and the season curtailed across the board. This will impact smaller clubs massively and yet we have Liverpool and ManU shamelessly exploiting it all, disgraceful
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14/10/2020 14:41:07 3 6
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Yaaawwwnnnn...

Wanging on again...

It's a pandemic...

Get off yer hypocritcal high-horse...

& deal with it.
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14/10/2020 14:32:59 6 6
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With the country in the state it’s in there shouldn’t be any matches played . Half the uk is being made redundant and the big time Charlie’s keep getting paid .
Everyone should cancel their subscriptions and switch it off.
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14/10/2020 14:53:01 2 1
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Then Sky and BT will have another reason to make people redundant.
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14/10/2020 15:03:44 0 0
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Oh no, must keep live footie on the telly. Bread and circuses, you know.

How else to keep the plebs inside their houses?
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14/10/2020 14:26:30 10 9
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Finally some logic at last! We can not have these hooligans spreading covid , they are the same people that cause trouble in pubs and refuse to wear masks! I have already seen clubs break these rules lower down in the football pyramid , so all hell would break loose if fans returned to prem football. Safety comes first! Keep clamping down on this before we hit a second spike.
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14/10/2020 14:34:27 7 7
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There are idiots amongst all sections of society if you break it down by any category. Not all football fans are ' hooligans ' , that's a lazy claim
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14/10/2020 14:55:30 4 1
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True, but the word 'hooligan' is to football what the word 'Santa' is to Christmas. Until this changes your point will fall on deaf ears.
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14/10/2020 14:35:30 18 4
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Support a local non-league side, they need the money and it helps your community
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14/10/2020 14:35:57 40 4
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Oliver Dowden is an anagram of wooden drivel, which sadly is the standard of the current information we all receive.
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14/10/2020 14:37:42 5 4
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How I hate to say it, but I have to agree with Lineker.
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14/10/2020 14:37:56 7 5
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The average football fan is not the sharpest tool in the box, best keep them locked up somewhere so the rest of us have a chance.
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14/10/2020 16:49:57 1 2
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Neither are the footballers but what has that got to do wih anything. If you are healthy and your breathing and Circulation is A1 then you have nothing to fear from Covid or Flu for that matter.

If you have problems then you stay home and keep as safe as you can. The virus is here to stay.
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14/10/2020 19:07:34 0 2
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Have you conducted in-depth research to back up your “ not the sharpest theory “ or are you just a judgemental blowing wind out of your a*se kind of guy . ?????
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14/10/2020 14:38:34 13 1
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"No crowds at sport 'positively hateful' but necessary".....

"Positively hateful eh?"...

What's even more hateful is that apart from a handful of clubs...

Who have become a sugar-daddies plaything...

The vast majority won't survive without some financial intervention...

That's "positively hateful"....

Old bean.
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14/10/2020 14:45:10 4 0
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You know who/where I mean...

Footballing equivalent of mucky money's...

Sewerage farm.
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14/10/2020 14:40:27 20 1
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Sat in a theatre or in the open air which is safer ?
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14/10/2020 16:48:12 2 5
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A statement so simple.... indicative of a mind with a total lack of insight and understanding into the actual situation at hand.
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14/10/2020 16:50:43 3 3
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Look at the fans who ignored everyone begging them not to break lockdown rules when titles and promotions were won and there is your answer
People who go to the theatre in my experience have always respected rules and others
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14/10/2020 14:32:33 10 8
bbc
Second full lockdown is imminent, mainly due to idiots who haven't been following the rules, yet blame the government for everything. So, this is all academic really, real chance that the CL will be suspended due to travel restrictions and the season curtailed across the board. This will impact smaller clubs massively and yet we have Liverpool and ManU shamelessly exploiting it all, disgraceful
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14/10/2020 14:41:07 3 6
bbc
Yaaawwwnnnn...

Wanging on again...

It's a pandemic...

Get off yer hypocritcal high-horse...

& deal with it.
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14/10/2020 14:42:37 5 5
bbc
Lineker in shock 'talking sense' moment.
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14/10/2020 14:45:02 11 10
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Mr Lineker, yes it does make sense. In the theatre everybody is sitting quietly, no constant movements, no chanting, not singing, no loud continuously cheering, no shouting, no jumping up and down, etc, all of which happens at a typical sports game. If fans can guarantee that they can sit still and quiet like theatre goers then yes you have a point, otherwise you are comparing chalk and cheese.
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14/10/2020 14:52:42 5 1
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But look at the spacing in the photo in this article. barely one metre apart in an indoor reason. Surely a reduced capacity socially distanced crowd at a football match in an outdoor arena is not going to make things any worse than they are now, especially with Covid-19 protocols in place. France have allowed fans into football matches and the French Open Tennis.
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14/10/2020 15:00:23 1 1
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Your argument doesn't stack up I'm afraid. We know that the virus is more transmittable indoors than outdoors and the people at the theatre, despite wearing masks, were closer than the social distancing guidelines for a prolonged period of time. You cant have more than 6 people from 2 households ' in your garden ' and no one in your house, why can we all pack ourselves into a theatre?
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14/10/2020 15:04:52 1 0
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Based on this fans of Fulham at least should be allowed access
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14/10/2020 15:48:20 0 0
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Utter nonsense. You need to travel and visit BPAFC if you have any idea who they are. Don't think you'll find much jumping up and down and noise there. Attendances have been agreed at just over 500 in an athletics stadium, but nobody still allowed in at NLN level. Elite sport apparently!!!!! Stop defending the indefensible. One rule for the rich and another one for us plebs.
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14/10/2020 14:38:34 13 1
bbc
"No crowds at sport 'positively hateful' but necessary".....

"Positively hateful eh?"...

What's even more hateful is that apart from a handful of clubs...

Who have become a sugar-daddies plaything...

The vast majority won't survive without some financial intervention...

That's "positively hateful"....

Old bean.
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14/10/2020 14:45:10 4 0
bbc
You know who/where I mean...

Footballing equivalent of mucky money's...

Sewerage farm.
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14/10/2020 14:48:06 12 2
bbc
'Positively hateful' What sort of language is that. It is positively caring to keep fans from mixing too closely. It is positively neglectful to allow people to sit so close to each other at the London Palladium and without masks. The hosts and attendees should be ashamed of themselves.
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14/10/2020 14:54:21 1 1
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Took the words right out of my mouth.
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14/10/2020 15:23:15 0 0
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If you are referring to the photo accompanying the article, it is Wigmore Hall, not the London Paladium. A different class of more civilised individuals attend such venues, something that is not found at most football grounds.
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14/10/2020 14:45:02 11 10
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Mr Lineker, yes it does make sense. In the theatre everybody is sitting quietly, no constant movements, no chanting, not singing, no loud continuously cheering, no shouting, no jumping up and down, etc, all of which happens at a typical sports game. If fans can guarantee that they can sit still and quiet like theatre goers then yes you have a point, otherwise you are comparing chalk and cheese.
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14/10/2020 14:52:42 5 1
bbc
But look at the spacing in the photo in this article. barely one metre apart in an indoor reason. Surely a reduced capacity socially distanced crowd at a football match in an outdoor arena is not going to make things any worse than they are now, especially with Covid-19 protocols in place. France have allowed fans into football matches and the French Open Tennis.
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14/10/2020 15:02:17 3 0
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Just for the record the French Open tennis went from originally allowing 11,000 per day, to 5,000 per day to 1,000 per day.

Fans may be socially distanced inside but what about outside, in the pubs/cafes, transit, etc? It's not just 'inside stadium' you have to worry about.
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14/10/2020 14:32:59 6 6
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With the country in the state it’s in there shouldn’t be any matches played . Half the uk is being made redundant and the big time Charlie’s keep getting paid .
Everyone should cancel their subscriptions and switch it off.
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14/10/2020 14:53:01 2 1
bbc
Then Sky and BT will have another reason to make people redundant.
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14/10/2020 14:48:06 12 2
bbc
'Positively hateful' What sort of language is that. It is positively caring to keep fans from mixing too closely. It is positively neglectful to allow people to sit so close to each other at the London Palladium and without masks. The hosts and attendees should be ashamed of themselves.
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14/10/2020 14:54:21 1 1
bbc
Took the words right out of my mouth.
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14/10/2020 14:34:27 7 7
bbc
There are idiots amongst all sections of society if you break it down by any category. Not all football fans are ' hooligans ' , that's a lazy claim
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14/10/2020 14:55:30 4 1
bbc
True, but the word 'hooligan' is to football what the word 'Santa' is to Christmas. Until this changes your point will fall on deaf ears.
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14/10/2020 14:56:00 7 5
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When players stop having mini orgies when they score maybe the crowds would observe social distancing when they are allowed back in.
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14/10/2020 16:51:58 0 1
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The players do not have covid at that time as they are tested. How many pro athletes still healthy and in training have been in NHS beds or respirators? NONE.
Maybe everyone else should look after their bodies better and eat better and get some exercise.?
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14/10/2020 14:45:02 11 10
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Mr Lineker, yes it does make sense. In the theatre everybody is sitting quietly, no constant movements, no chanting, not singing, no loud continuously cheering, no shouting, no jumping up and down, etc, all of which happens at a typical sports game. If fans can guarantee that they can sit still and quiet like theatre goers then yes you have a point, otherwise you are comparing chalk and cheese.
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14/10/2020 15:00:23 1 1
bbc
Your argument doesn't stack up I'm afraid. We know that the virus is more transmittable indoors than outdoors and the people at the theatre, despite wearing masks, were closer than the social distancing guidelines for a prolonged period of time. You cant have more than 6 people from 2 households ' in your garden ' and no one in your house, why can we all pack ourselves into a theatre?
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14/10/2020 14:52:42 5 1
bbc
But look at the spacing in the photo in this article. barely one metre apart in an indoor reason. Surely a reduced capacity socially distanced crowd at a football match in an outdoor arena is not going to make things any worse than they are now, especially with Covid-19 protocols in place. France have allowed fans into football matches and the French Open Tennis.
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14/10/2020 15:02:17 3 0
bbc
Just for the record the French Open tennis went from originally allowing 11,000 per day, to 5,000 per day to 1,000 per day.

Fans may be socially distanced inside but what about outside, in the pubs/cafes, transit, etc? It's not just 'inside stadium' you have to worry about.
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14/10/2020 15:07:29 0 1
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1000 is better than nothing and I did say if Covid protocols were in place. For instance, You would have socially distanced queuing, no alcohol sales etc. It is workable.
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14/10/2020 15:02:21 14 2
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In the past couple of weeks. I have been to Birmingham, Bristol and London on the train. Stood on packed platforms, sat on trains with 9 or 10 carriages of 20, 30, 40 people for over an hour but you can't have 500 in football stadiums or racecourses?
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14/10/2020 15:06:02 6 1
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500 will not make a difference unless it is a non league game. EFL teams need at least 50% of fans in to make it viable, otherwise it will actually cost them more, than it would to have no fans at all
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14/10/2020 21:04:48 0 0
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It isn’t 500 though, at Chesterfield we were looking at 3500 and we are in the national league. That’s a lot more than attending any theatre. If you scale that up to the premier league that’s 30000 at a ground like Old Trafford
In the current health crisis, it’s odd that football continues. Null and void the season now to protect the NHS and save lives.

Should have done it last year but FA were desperate to award Liverpool their first ever league title in their history.
Removed
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14/10/2020 16:00:10 3 1
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Most ridiculous comment ever, with the amount of public finances the NHS receives every year no need to ever protect it, needs better management; as for saving lives how many lives lost to mental illness, cancer, etc. to save a few Covid patients
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14/10/2020 16:39:16 0 1
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Footballers are not seeking help from the NHS and Fans are not in grounds so what are you talking about?.
Footballers that have been infected did not even know they had it as they are ft and healthy through diet and training.

Perhaps the rest of us should eat less junk food and take more exercise?
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14/10/2020 15:03:22 3 2
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Well I am negatively hateful of this government and the way they are handling things
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14/10/2020 15:08:57 8 1
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You ain't seen anything yet. Just wait until 1st Jan when this virus is still going strong and Brexit kicks in with no deal agreed.
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14/10/2020 16:42:33 0 1
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Power corrupts
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14/10/2020 15:03:44 7 11
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Maybe we can keep fans away for good. Fans burden the police and other services. They cause trouble and disorder. They chant hate speech and intimidate the players with offensive gestures and songs. When they travel on public transport they abuse the other passengers and vandalise.
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14/10/2020 15:07:04 11 8
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Yes, great idea. Penalise the vast majority of fans who follow their teams and love going to live sport. Nothing quite like a prejudiced, blanket statement to cover thousands of football fans. Your post is lazy, merely trotting out the standard, half baked nonsense pedalled by people who dont like the game or indeed, honest working class people
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14/10/2020 15:13:59 1 1
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Debate technique: the Association Fallacy.
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14/10/2020 16:34:35 1 0
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They do not go vandalising our War memorials and Looting though, like those idiots that were supporting BLM.
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14/10/2020 16:41:59 1 0
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Inhuman shill
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14/10/2020 14:32:59 6 6
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With the country in the state it’s in there shouldn’t be any matches played . Half the uk is being made redundant and the big time Charlie’s keep getting paid .
Everyone should cancel their subscriptions and switch it off.
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14/10/2020 15:03:44 0 0
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Oh no, must keep live footie on the telly. Bread and circuses, you know.

How else to keep the plebs inside their houses?
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14/10/2020 15:04:07 15 7
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Those who are calling for crowds return after watching the scenes when Liverpool won the League and the total disgrace last night in Liverpool - what are you going to do if fans dont Socially distance. Who will be to blame ?
One thing is certain, it will be someone elses fault Removed
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14/10/2020 15:16:39 4 3
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Exactly you cannot blame the government for not trusting fans after what happens in Liverpool and Leeds.
That will be one of the reasons they are nervous about letting fans in. It is a shame that once again some fans actions have had a big impact on so many other clubs
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14/10/2020 15:22:47 1 4
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One word for what occurred last night in Liverpool.... STUDENTS
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14/10/2020 16:32:16 1 2
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BLM and their violent protests over the death of a carreer criminal in a foreign spread this virus around the UK lets not forget that.
Initially it spread among the able and strong at the violent protests and then many weeks later eventually the vulnerable began to get ill as they came into contact with those only mildly ill.
The virus is a problem for our NHS when the vulnerable are exposed to it
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14/10/2020 16:41:28 0 0
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No blame, no antisocial distance, just living
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14/10/2020 17:45:19 0 2
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What happened in Liverpool last night was mainly due to one thing ,closing all bars pubs etc at 10pm and everyone out on the streets at the same time
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14/10/2020 14:45:02 11 10
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Mr Lineker, yes it does make sense. In the theatre everybody is sitting quietly, no constant movements, no chanting, not singing, no loud continuously cheering, no shouting, no jumping up and down, etc, all of which happens at a typical sports game. If fans can guarantee that they can sit still and quiet like theatre goers then yes you have a point, otherwise you are comparing chalk and cheese.
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14/10/2020 15:04:52 1 0
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Based on this fans of Fulham at least should be allowed access
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14/10/2020 15:14:31 2 0
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Haha, their masks will cover their entire faces, not just their mouth and nose. ;)
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14/10/2020 15:02:21 14 2
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In the past couple of weeks. I have been to Birmingham, Bristol and London on the train. Stood on packed platforms, sat on trains with 9 or 10 carriages of 20, 30, 40 people for over an hour but you can't have 500 in football stadiums or racecourses?
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14/10/2020 15:06:02 6 1
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500 will not make a difference unless it is a non league game. EFL teams need at least 50% of fans in to make it viable, otherwise it will actually cost them more, than it would to have no fans at all
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14/10/2020 15:06:41 11 6
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If people want too attend a match let them if people are scared stay at home simples
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14/10/2020 15:18:31 6 8
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The irony of your name and statements is not lost on us.
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14/10/2020 15:07:03 12 2
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Follow the German set up for fans at matches and there shouldn't be any problems. Ticket holders have to arrive within a specific time frame and if they don't wear a mask they don't get in, the stadiums are split into sections so between 10% and 25% of it can be filled with people sat at safe distances. And you can only watch home games you cannot travel to watch away games. Simple and efficient.
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14/10/2020 15:10:36 15 7
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Come on, do you really expect the British to behave and act like the Germans?
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14/10/2020 15:03:44 7 11
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Maybe we can keep fans away for good. Fans burden the police and other services. They cause trouble and disorder. They chant hate speech and intimidate the players with offensive gestures and songs. When they travel on public transport they abuse the other passengers and vandalise.
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14/10/2020 15:07:04 11 8
bbc
Yes, great idea. Penalise the vast majority of fans who follow their teams and love going to live sport. Nothing quite like a prejudiced, blanket statement to cover thousands of football fans. Your post is lazy, merely trotting out the standard, half baked nonsense pedalled by people who dont like the game or indeed, honest working class people
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SLR
14/10/2020 15:17:48 2 2
bbc
I don't see these vast majority of fans intervening when hateful chants and abuses are being hurled out of the travel to and from the venue results in other travellers being abused.
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14/10/2020 15:02:17 3 0
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Just for the record the French Open tennis went from originally allowing 11,000 per day, to 5,000 per day to 1,000 per day.

Fans may be socially distanced inside but what about outside, in the pubs/cafes, transit, etc? It's not just 'inside stadium' you have to worry about.
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14/10/2020 15:07:29 0 1
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1000 is better than nothing and I did say if Covid protocols were in place. For instance, You would have socially distanced queuing, no alcohol sales etc. It is workable.
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14/10/2020 15:04:07 15 7
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Those who are calling for crowds return after watching the scenes when Liverpool won the League and the total disgrace last night in Liverpool - what are you going to do if fans dont Socially distance. Who will be to blame ?
One thing is certain, it will be someone elses fault Removed
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14/10/2020 15:03:22 3 2
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Well I am negatively hateful of this government and the way they are handling things
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14/10/2020 15:08:57 8 1
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You ain't seen anything yet. Just wait until 1st Jan when this virus is still going strong and Brexit kicks in with no deal agreed.
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14/10/2020 16:43:22 0 2
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Virus is a flu , its all manufactured , its no epidemic , choose Life
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14/10/2020 15:07:03 12 2
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Follow the German set up for fans at matches and there shouldn't be any problems. Ticket holders have to arrive within a specific time frame and if they don't wear a mask they don't get in, the stadiums are split into sections so between 10% and 25% of it can be filled with people sat at safe distances. And you can only watch home games you cannot travel to watch away games. Simple and efficient.
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14/10/2020 15:10:36 15 7
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Come on, do you really expect the British to behave and act like the Germans?
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14/10/2020 15:17:32 2 0
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No. But then my expectations have always been to high.
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14/10/2020 16:40:38 0 0
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Try it when your freedom is at stake
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14/10/2020 15:03:44 7 11
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Maybe we can keep fans away for good. Fans burden the police and other services. They cause trouble and disorder. They chant hate speech and intimidate the players with offensive gestures and songs. When they travel on public transport they abuse the other passengers and vandalise.
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14/10/2020 15:13:59 1 1
bbc
Debate technique: the Association Fallacy.
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14/10/2020 15:04:52 1 0
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Based on this fans of Fulham at least should be allowed access
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14/10/2020 15:14:31 2 0
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Haha, their masks will cover their entire faces, not just their mouth and nose. ;)
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SLR
14/10/2020 15:14:46 2 5
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Sports that generate polarised groups of supporters and the tendency for fan banter, which is so easy to spill on to fights needs to be kept totally fan-free at the playing level until the country has been vaccinated.
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14/10/2020 15:18:48 0 4
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Home game attendance only, opposing fans not allowed in. Problem solved.
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14/10/2020 16:26:17 1 1
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The country is NOT going to be vaccinated, most people do not want or need the vaccine. Around 5% of the country needs a vaccination as a tiny percentage of that 5% are more at risk from bad effects.
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14/10/2020 16:39:51 1 0
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Shill for vaccination , anti human
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14/10/2020 16:47:27 0 0
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Vaccinated? Are you a BBC bot? Or 77 brigade?
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14/10/2020 15:15:50 3 2
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Clubs lower down the football pyramid (e.g. Clitheroe, Tamworth, FCUM and AFC Bury) are allowed to have fans in for games in smaller arenas. Why can't fans of teams higher up the pyramid have some fans in as well?
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14/10/2020 16:24:45 0 0
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How do you decide which fans get in? there would be ill feeling from fans denied access and rightly so. Small clubs as the ones you mention have few fans.
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14/10/2020 15:04:07 15 7
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Those who are calling for crowds return after watching the scenes when Liverpool won the League and the total disgrace last night in Liverpool - what are you going to do if fans dont Socially distance. Who will be to blame ?
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14/10/2020 15:16:39 4 3
bbc
Exactly you cannot blame the government for not trusting fans after what happens in Liverpool and Leeds.
That will be one of the reasons they are nervous about letting fans in. It is a shame that once again some fans actions have had a big impact on so many other clubs
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14/10/2020 16:33:38 2 0
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What went on in Liverpool last night was totally legal and nowhere near as bad as BLM on our streets that re spread this virus in the UK.
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14/10/2020 15:10:36 15 7
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Come on, do you really expect the British to behave and act like the Germans?
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14/10/2020 15:17:32 2 0
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No. But then my expectations have always been to high.
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14/10/2020 15:07:04 11 8
bbc
Yes, great idea. Penalise the vast majority of fans who follow their teams and love going to live sport. Nothing quite like a prejudiced, blanket statement to cover thousands of football fans. Your post is lazy, merely trotting out the standard, half baked nonsense pedalled by people who dont like the game or indeed, honest working class people
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SLR
14/10/2020 15:17:48 2 2
bbc
I don't see these vast majority of fans intervening when hateful chants and abuses are being hurled out of the travel to and from the venue results in other travellers being abused.
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14/10/2020 15:39:37 1 0
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That isn't a football fan thing, that is a human nature thing. Most people fear that intervention in any type of altercation may lead to them being physically assaulted.
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14/10/2020 15:06:41 11 6
bbc
If people want too attend a match let them if people are scared stay at home simples
51
14/10/2020 15:18:31 6 8
bbc
The irony of your name and statements is not lost on us.
46
SLR
14/10/2020 15:14:46 2 5
bbc
Sports that generate polarised groups of supporters and the tendency for fan banter, which is so easy to spill on to fights needs to be kept totally fan-free at the playing level until the country has been vaccinated.
52
14/10/2020 15:18:48 0 4
bbc
Home game attendance only, opposing fans not allowed in. Problem solved.
53
14/10/2020 15:19:01 11 4
bbc
To allow this level of crowds at the London palladium is simply wrong in these times. Whoever organised this event or gave the go ahead need to be brought in to explain themselves and dealt with accordingly.
83
14/10/2020 16:22:41 1 1
bbc
Dealt with how when it was quite legal??
54
14/10/2020 15:20:49 3 9
bbc
When will it register the world is facing an epidemic of extraordinary sorts and people are complaining about not being able to go to football. Then again England is not widely known for its community alignment probably a kick back from Empire days when the individual does as desired irrespective of impact or consequences of others. What a society we live in me me me me deprived irrespective of
60
14/10/2020 15:26:33 2 3
bbc
I wish I could disagree with you but sadly I cannot
61
14/10/2020 15:26:34 4 0
bbc
During the colonial era there were more restrictions on people due in part to the law, but mostly due to social norms, expectations and class division. So who are these reckless individuals of which you speak?
69
14/10/2020 15:47:25 3 1
bbc
Would rather take my chance and watch sport in person - save my sanity and therefore my mental health. Wreck my mental health = no point in living. Watch sport I could die happy. Actually, got more chance of being killed in a car crash tomorrow then Covid19 killing me anytime soon. If fans want to live with the disease not fear it then let us.
71
14/10/2020 15:51:09 2 1
bbc
I think it registered with most people in March when, in huge numbers, they stayed at home for the best part of three months and are now thoroughly fed up of having nice things that make life bearable still unavailable to them. Nobody is saying pack 90,000 in Wembley, it’s more the lack of logic behind government thinking they’re bemused at.
98
14/10/2020 16:39:00 1 2
bbc
Manufactured epidemic , look at the facts
Similar to a flu
Lockdowns are antidemocratic , anti human & only about Control
55
14/10/2020 15:20:49 3 4
bbc
I think think the PL have probably reserved live games speciation for those who should be self isolating such as Gareth Bale. In fairness. Football fans of a certain ilk simply can’t be trusted to behave responsibly. The PL clubs are a law unto themselves anyway and well done the EPL for rejecting the self serving proposals form club America.
56
14/10/2020 15:22:22 11 1
bbc
let them serve ginsters pasties, then they're a restaurant.
34
14/10/2020 15:04:07 15 7
bbc
Those who are calling for crowds return after watching the scenes when Liverpool won the League and the total disgrace last night in Liverpool - what are you going to do if fans dont Socially distance. Who will be to blame ?
57
14/10/2020 15:22:47 1 4
bbc
One word for what occurred last night in Liverpool.... STUDENTS
62
14/10/2020 15:28:08 2 3
bbc
I have gone with idiots
21
14/10/2020 14:48:06 12 2
bbc
'Positively hateful' What sort of language is that. It is positively caring to keep fans from mixing too closely. It is positively neglectful to allow people to sit so close to each other at the London Palladium and without masks. The hosts and attendees should be ashamed of themselves.
58
SLR
14/10/2020 15:23:15 0 0
bbc
If you are referring to the photo accompanying the article, it is Wigmore Hall, not the London Paladium. A different class of more civilised individuals attend such venues, something that is not found at most football grounds.
125
14/10/2020 17:30:40 0 0
bbc
Thank god this different class are immune.

Perhaps some lessons in civility will abate this virus? If only we had known sooner that rich, or classy, individuals were immune!
59
14/10/2020 15:25:17 3 2
bbc
Football fans in (on a limited basis)

Project Power Grab out.
54
14/10/2020 15:20:49 3 9
bbc
When will it register the world is facing an epidemic of extraordinary sorts and people are complaining about not being able to go to football. Then again England is not widely known for its community alignment probably a kick back from Empire days when the individual does as desired irrespective of impact or consequences of others. What a society we live in me me me me deprived irrespective of
60
14/10/2020 15:26:33 2 3
bbc
I wish I could disagree with you but sadly I cannot
54
14/10/2020 15:20:49 3 9
bbc
When will it register the world is facing an epidemic of extraordinary sorts and people are complaining about not being able to go to football. Then again England is not widely known for its community alignment probably a kick back from Empire days when the individual does as desired irrespective of impact or consequences of others. What a society we live in me me me me deprived irrespective of
61
14/10/2020 15:26:34 4 0
bbc
During the colonial era there were more restrictions on people due in part to the law, but mostly due to social norms, expectations and class division. So who are these reckless individuals of which you speak?
57
14/10/2020 15:22:47 1 4
bbc
One word for what occurred last night in Liverpool.... STUDENTS
62
14/10/2020 15:28:08 2 3
bbc
I have gone with idiots
63
14/10/2020 15:28:14 15 0
bbc
5000 could play hide n seek inside Wembley and not be found . If no fans then no reporters or FA freeloaders let them watch it on tv...btw why was the bar open ?

None of this guff adds up and there are daily deflections to send us in another direction....give us the truth, who is responsible and where are they , though I doubt anyone will need 3 guesses .
50
SLR
14/10/2020 15:17:48 2 2
bbc
I don't see these vast majority of fans intervening when hateful chants and abuses are being hurled out of the travel to and from the venue results in other travellers being abused.
64
14/10/2020 15:39:37 1 0
bbc
That isn't a football fan thing, that is a human nature thing. Most people fear that intervention in any type of altercation may lead to them being physically assaulted.
65
14/10/2020 15:39:54 4 3
bbc
Neither football matches nor London palladium events are important enough to reopen to spectators until the pandemic is under better control.
81
14/10/2020 16:17:09 5 2
bbc
It will never be better, it is here forever, better that the few who are more vulnerable lock down until there is a vaccine for them. The vaccine will never be 100% effective either. Thats life from now on, we have to get on with it and learn to live with it, like we do with flu.
84
14/10/2020 16:22:53 0 1
bbc
Watching sport or going to the theatre might just be the coping mechanism for people with stressful jobs and / or mental health issues. So they are essential to prevent more mental health issues which will save the country money. If people come unfit to work will actually cost the country money. They can also be a lifeline for handicapped people.
96
14/10/2020 16:36:17 0 1
bbc
U do not control a virus u are only controlling people
66
14/10/2020 15:41:22 3 0
bbc
With ‘friends’ like Oliver Dowden small clubs who are facing existence certainly don’t need enemies. He should be the one fighting their corner in cabinet meetings.
67
14/10/2020 15:42:57 0 1
bbc
*extinction!
66
14/10/2020 15:41:22 3 0
bbc
With ‘friends’ like Oliver Dowden small clubs who are facing existence certainly don’t need enemies. He should be the one fighting their corner in cabinet meetings.
67
14/10/2020 15:42:57 0 1
bbc
*extinction!
68
14/10/2020 15:46:31 4 0
bbc
Whatever happened to the "trickle-down effect".....

That advocates of big TV money was supposed to have on the wider game...??

Seems to have "trickled" into the pockets of those that "negotiated" and no further...

All the footballing governing bodies & money-men guilty of this.
72
14/10/2020 15:53:12 3 0
bbc
Has trickle-down finances ever worked? No. There’s always a choke-point just beyond the top tier were barely a trickle makes it through. It’s a phrase used to placate, not to be applied practically.
54
14/10/2020 15:20:49 3 9
bbc
When will it register the world is facing an epidemic of extraordinary sorts and people are complaining about not being able to go to football. Then again England is not widely known for its community alignment probably a kick back from Empire days when the individual does as desired irrespective of impact or consequences of others. What a society we live in me me me me deprived irrespective of
69
14/10/2020 15:47:25 3 1
bbc
Would rather take my chance and watch sport in person - save my sanity and therefore my mental health. Wreck my mental health = no point in living. Watch sport I could die happy. Actually, got more chance of being killed in a car crash tomorrow then Covid19 killing me anytime soon. If fans want to live with the disease not fear it then let us.
82
14/10/2020 16:21:31 1 1
bbc
Exactly, people have more chance of coming into contact with it at the supermarket in an enclosed space rather than outdoors at a sporting event.
It is spread when people that have symptoms cough and splutter.
If not coughing and spluttering then the chance of spreading is almost nil out doors. If they cough and splutter they feel ill and do not attend the event to start with.
19
14/10/2020 14:45:02 11 10
bbc
Mr Lineker, yes it does make sense. In the theatre everybody is sitting quietly, no constant movements, no chanting, not singing, no loud continuously cheering, no shouting, no jumping up and down, etc, all of which happens at a typical sports game. If fans can guarantee that they can sit still and quiet like theatre goers then yes you have a point, otherwise you are comparing chalk and cheese.
70
14/10/2020 15:48:20 0 0
bbc
Utter nonsense. You need to travel and visit BPAFC if you have any idea who they are. Don't think you'll find much jumping up and down and noise there. Attendances have been agreed at just over 500 in an athletics stadium, but nobody still allowed in at NLN level. Elite sport apparently!!!!! Stop defending the indefensible. One rule for the rich and another one for us plebs.
54
14/10/2020 15:20:49 3 9
bbc
When will it register the world is facing an epidemic of extraordinary sorts and people are complaining about not being able to go to football. Then again England is not widely known for its community alignment probably a kick back from Empire days when the individual does as desired irrespective of impact or consequences of others. What a society we live in me me me me deprived irrespective of
71
14/10/2020 15:51:09 2 1
bbc
I think it registered with most people in March when, in huge numbers, they stayed at home for the best part of three months and are now thoroughly fed up of having nice things that make life bearable still unavailable to them. Nobody is saying pack 90,000 in Wembley, it’s more the lack of logic behind government thinking they’re bemused at.
68
14/10/2020 15:46:31 4 0
bbc
Whatever happened to the "trickle-down effect".....

That advocates of big TV money was supposed to have on the wider game...??

Seems to have "trickled" into the pockets of those that "negotiated" and no further...

All the footballing governing bodies & money-men guilty of this.
72
14/10/2020 15:53:12 3 0
bbc
Has trickle-down finances ever worked? No. There’s always a choke-point just beyond the top tier were barely a trickle makes it through. It’s a phrase used to placate, not to be applied practically.
95
14/10/2020 16:35:30 0 0
bbc
Globalist wealth transfer under Agenda 21
73
14/10/2020 15:54:41 2 4
bbc
would not trust the tories to run a bath let alone a country
118
14/10/2020 16:52:15 1 1
bbc
Life under 'Magic Grandpa' would have been far better wouldn't it?

Unitl you went to buy a loaf of bread for£10,000
Nonsense. The virus kills less than flu. Get out and face it. Lie after lie. This people seem incapable of reading data sheets. It's not going away. If not, then stop paying all these players - people are going hungry and losing their businesses while people like Hamilton call them "racist". We've all had enough of it. Removed
75
14/10/2020 15:56:39 1 4
bbc
Well, there’s obviously one person around here who can’t read a data sheet.
78
14/10/2020 16:02:06 0 0
bbc
Hamilton = horrible disgusting individual.
91
14/10/2020 16:34:15 1 0
bbc
Its Globalism banker control under the fake Climate control, unite & reject
Disobediance
Nonsense. The virus kills less than flu. Get out and face it. Lie after lie. This people seem incapable of reading data sheets. It's not going away. If not, then stop paying all these players - people are going hungry and losing their businesses while people like Hamilton call them "racist". We've all had enough of it. Removed
75
14/10/2020 15:56:39 1 4
bbc
Well, there’s obviously one person around here who can’t read a data sheet.
94
14/10/2020 16:34:41 0 0
bbc
Democracy
76
14/10/2020 15:59:14 7 1
bbc
Dowden and Gov are hateful hypocrites
In the current health crisis, it’s odd that football continues. Null and void the season now to protect the NHS and save lives.

Should have done it last year but FA were desperate to award Liverpool their first ever league title in their history.
Removed
77
14/10/2020 16:00:10 3 1
bbc
Most ridiculous comment ever, with the amount of public finances the NHS receives every year no need to ever protect it, needs better management; as for saving lives how many lives lost to mental illness, cancer, etc. to save a few Covid patients
102
14/10/2020 16:40:52 0 1
bbc
Exactly, the powers that be have used covid as an excuse to cancel expensive operations and treatments in the NHS.
On top of that Addictions and Suicides must be through the roof but the figures for that has so far been hidden from us.
Nonsense. The virus kills less than flu. Get out and face it. Lie after lie. This people seem incapable of reading data sheets. It's not going away. If not, then stop paying all these players - people are going hungry and losing their businesses while people like Hamilton call them "racist". We've all had enough of it. Removed
78
14/10/2020 16:02:06 0 0
bbc
Hamilton = horrible disgusting individual.
3
14/10/2020 14:21:32 24 3
bbc
While fans are not allowed into grounds some nauseating Premier League snouts are trying to find ways of getting millions more into their overflowing troughs.. the same clubs who waste millions on players & their parasite agents!

Its plain stupid that the lower leagues & national leagues cant have any fans at all.. that needs to change or we'll lose them - smaller clubs matter!!
79
14/10/2020 16:14:36 5 6
bbc
Terrible activity from the government here regarding the smaller clubs.

A lot of people are saying that the government are deliberately forcing these teams out of business so their developer mates can buy the land up cheap and build lousy, high density housing on them!

I wouldn't put it past them!
152
HKJ
15/10/2020 15:14:06 0 0
bbc
I'm really not a fan of this circus in the government, never have been, but I do think that's a little too far gone.

I hope.......
80
14/10/2020 16:14:53 0 6
bbc
Lineker is right but he is aiming the blame at Boris, its Starmer who wants the opposite of anything government want that keeps putting pressure on government to close venues and nanny everyone destroying business and the lives of the majority of healthy with nothing to fear from this virus
If those vulnerable are shielded for their own protection, soon be a vaccine for the few that will need it
86
14/10/2020 16:25:10 2 0
bbc
We do not fully understand the impact of this strain. There are documented cases of tissue and organ damage sustained by asymptomatic patients. We don’t know how that plays out. The thought that only elderly or those with compromised immune systems are at risk is incomplete.
89
14/10/2020 16:32:44 1 1
bbc
Its beyond party Politics , it is a planned Globalism action , its Control, its undemocratic , it is NOT scientific, wake up for your rights , we are many bankers are few
65
14/10/2020 15:39:54 4 3
bbc
Neither football matches nor London palladium events are important enough to reopen to spectators until the pandemic is under better control.
81
14/10/2020 16:17:09 5 2
bbc
It will never be better, it is here forever, better that the few who are more vulnerable lock down until there is a vaccine for them. The vaccine will never be 100% effective either. Thats life from now on, we have to get on with it and learn to live with it, like we do with flu.
97
14/10/2020 16:36:47 0 0
bbc
Live life brother be strong
69
14/10/2020 15:47:25 3 1
bbc
Would rather take my chance and watch sport in person - save my sanity and therefore my mental health. Wreck my mental health = no point in living. Watch sport I could die happy. Actually, got more chance of being killed in a car crash tomorrow then Covid19 killing me anytime soon. If fans want to live with the disease not fear it then let us.
82
14/10/2020 16:21:31 1 1
bbc
Exactly, people have more chance of coming into contact with it at the supermarket in an enclosed space rather than outdoors at a sporting event.
It is spread when people that have symptoms cough and splutter.
If not coughing and spluttering then the chance of spreading is almost nil out doors. If they cough and splutter they feel ill and do not attend the event to start with.
53
14/10/2020 15:19:01 11 4
bbc
To allow this level of crowds at the London palladium is simply wrong in these times. Whoever organised this event or gave the go ahead need to be brought in to explain themselves and dealt with accordingly.
83
14/10/2020 16:22:41 1 1
bbc
Dealt with how when it was quite legal??
122
14/10/2020 16:59:30 0 0
bbc
Well for a start there has to be social distancing between non same households, where is that? I don't think I need to go on, do I?
65
14/10/2020 15:39:54 4 3
bbc
Neither football matches nor London palladium events are important enough to reopen to spectators until the pandemic is under better control.
84
14/10/2020 16:22:53 0 1
bbc
Watching sport or going to the theatre might just be the coping mechanism for people with stressful jobs and / or mental health issues. So they are essential to prevent more mental health issues which will save the country money. If people come unfit to work will actually cost the country money. They can also be a lifeline for handicapped people.
92
14/10/2020 16:34:24 0 0
bbc
You are politically incorrect. It's Disabled people not handicapped.
47
14/10/2020 15:15:50 3 2
bbc
Clubs lower down the football pyramid (e.g. Clitheroe, Tamworth, FCUM and AFC Bury) are allowed to have fans in for games in smaller arenas. Why can't fans of teams higher up the pyramid have some fans in as well?
85
14/10/2020 16:24:45 0 0
bbc
How do you decide which fans get in? there would be ill feeling from fans denied access and rightly so. Small clubs as the ones you mention have few fans.
112
14/10/2020 16:46:30 0 0
bbc
Not true. Worthing sold out every week.
80
14/10/2020 16:14:53 0 6
bbc
Lineker is right but he is aiming the blame at Boris, its Starmer who wants the opposite of anything government want that keeps putting pressure on government to close venues and nanny everyone destroying business and the lives of the majority of healthy with nothing to fear from this virus
If those vulnerable are shielded for their own protection, soon be a vaccine for the few that will need it
86
14/10/2020 16:25:10 2 0
bbc
We do not fully understand the impact of this strain. There are documented cases of tissue and organ damage sustained by asymptomatic patients. We don’t know how that plays out. The thought that only elderly or those with compromised immune systems are at risk is incomplete.
107
14/10/2020 16:42:41 1 0
bbc
Any evidence?
I mean evidence not manufactured by the so called BBC or 77 brigade?
46
SLR
14/10/2020 15:14:46 2 5
bbc
Sports that generate polarised groups of supporters and the tendency for fan banter, which is so easy to spill on to fights needs to be kept totally fan-free at the playing level until the country has been vaccinated.
87
14/10/2020 16:26:17 1 1
bbc
The country is NOT going to be vaccinated, most people do not want or need the vaccine. Around 5% of the country needs a vaccination as a tiny percentage of that 5% are more at risk from bad effects.
34
14/10/2020 15:04:07 15 7
bbc
Those who are calling for crowds return after watching the scenes when Liverpool won the League and the total disgrace last night in Liverpool - what are you going to do if fans dont Socially distance. Who will be to blame ?
88
14/10/2020 16:32:16 1 2
bbc
BLM and their violent protests over the death of a carreer criminal in a foreign spread this virus around the UK lets not forget that.
Initially it spread among the able and strong at the violent protests and then many weeks later eventually the vulnerable began to get ill as they came into contact with those only mildly ill.
The virus is a problem for our NHS when the vulnerable are exposed to it
144
14/10/2020 21:21:55 1 0
bbc
Suppose you have an excuse for Trump and his cohorts refusal to wear masks and spreading it to workers , or the right wing nut jobs who believe this is all a hoax .
80
14/10/2020 16:14:53 0 6
bbc
Lineker is right but he is aiming the blame at Boris, its Starmer who wants the opposite of anything government want that keeps putting pressure on government to close venues and nanny everyone destroying business and the lives of the majority of healthy with nothing to fear from this virus
If those vulnerable are shielded for their own protection, soon be a vaccine for the few that will need it
89
14/10/2020 16:32:44 1 1
bbc
Its beyond party Politics , it is a planned Globalism action , its Control, its undemocratic , it is NOT scientific, wake up for your rights , we are many bankers are few
48
14/10/2020 15:16:39 4 3
bbc
Exactly you cannot blame the government for not trusting fans after what happens in Liverpool and Leeds.
That will be one of the reasons they are nervous about letting fans in. It is a shame that once again some fans actions have had a big impact on so many other clubs
90
14/10/2020 16:33:38 2 0
bbc
What went on in Liverpool last night was totally legal and nowhere near as bad as BLM on our streets that re spread this virus in the UK.
120
14/10/2020 16:54:02 1 0
bbc
It may have been legal but it was plain stupid their hospitals are already full.

I don't disagree with you about the protesters you are spot on with that
Nonsense. The virus kills less than flu. Get out and face it. Lie after lie. This people seem incapable of reading data sheets. It's not going away. If not, then stop paying all these players - people are going hungry and losing their businesses while people like Hamilton call them "racist". We've all had enough of it. Removed
91
14/10/2020 16:34:15 1 0
bbc
Its Globalism banker control under the fake Climate control, unite & reject
Disobediance
84
14/10/2020 16:22:53 0 1
bbc
Watching sport or going to the theatre might just be the coping mechanism for people with stressful jobs and / or mental health issues. So they are essential to prevent more mental health issues which will save the country money. If people come unfit to work will actually cost the country money. They can also be a lifeline for handicapped people.
92
14/10/2020 16:34:24 0 0
bbc
You are politically incorrect. It's Disabled people not handicapped.
32
14/10/2020 15:03:44 7 11
bbc
Maybe we can keep fans away for good. Fans burden the police and other services. They cause trouble and disorder. They chant hate speech and intimidate the players with offensive gestures and songs. When they travel on public transport they abuse the other passengers and vandalise.
93
14/10/2020 16:34:35 1 0
bbc
They do not go vandalising our War memorials and Looting though, like those idiots that were supporting BLM.
75
14/10/2020 15:56:39 1 4
bbc
Well, there’s obviously one person around here who can’t read a data sheet.
94
14/10/2020 16:34:41 0 0
bbc
Democracy
72
14/10/2020 15:53:12 3 0
bbc
Has trickle-down finances ever worked? No. There’s always a choke-point just beyond the top tier were barely a trickle makes it through. It’s a phrase used to placate, not to be applied practically.
95
14/10/2020 16:35:30 0 0
bbc
Globalist wealth transfer under Agenda 21
65
14/10/2020 15:39:54 4 3
bbc
Neither football matches nor London palladium events are important enough to reopen to spectators until the pandemic is under better control.
96
14/10/2020 16:36:17 0 1
bbc
U do not control a virus u are only controlling people
81
14/10/2020 16:17:09 5 2
bbc
It will never be better, it is here forever, better that the few who are more vulnerable lock down until there is a vaccine for them. The vaccine will never be 100% effective either. Thats life from now on, we have to get on with it and learn to live with it, like we do with flu.
97
14/10/2020 16:36:47 0 0
bbc
Live life brother be strong
54
14/10/2020 15:20:49 3 9
bbc
When will it register the world is facing an epidemic of extraordinary sorts and people are complaining about not being able to go to football. Then again England is not widely known for its community alignment probably a kick back from Empire days when the individual does as desired irrespective of impact or consequences of others. What a society we live in me me me me deprived irrespective of
98
14/10/2020 16:39:00 1 2
bbc
Manufactured epidemic , look at the facts
Similar to a flu
Lockdowns are antidemocratic , anti human & only about Control
In the current health crisis, it’s odd that football continues. Null and void the season now to protect the NHS and save lives.

Should have done it last year but FA were desperate to award Liverpool their first ever league title in their history.
Removed
99
14/10/2020 16:39:16 0 1
bbc
Footballers are not seeking help from the NHS and Fans are not in grounds so what are you talking about?.
Footballers that have been infected did not even know they had it as they are ft and healthy through diet and training.

Perhaps the rest of us should eat less junk food and take more exercise?
46
SLR
14/10/2020 15:14:46 2 5
bbc
Sports that generate polarised groups of supporters and the tendency for fan banter, which is so easy to spill on to fights needs to be kept totally fan-free at the playing level until the country has been vaccinated.
100
14/10/2020 16:39:51 1 0
bbc
Shill for vaccination , anti human