'British golf deserves a hug right now'
12/10/2020 | sport | golf | 190
With men and women triumphing on the world stage in recent weeks, the standards of British golf are high right now and we should embrace that, writes Iain Carter.
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12/10/2020 13:50:15 17 2
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Quite right to talk up the golf.

Wonderful to see golf, even if just a highlights show, on BBC over the weekend. Wentworth puts on a hell of a tournament.

And great to see a Scot have his day over The Pond.
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12/10/2020 13:54:07 8 1
bbc
Indeed the Brits are doing pretty good at the moment and generally punching above their weight. It would be nice to see the world ranking system given a more even spread though. The PGA have controlled and hogged the system for far too long to preserve their own tour, shame on them.
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12/10/2020 14:03:28 5 1
bbc
Bigger prize money attracts the best players.
Fields with the best players, quite rightly, offer more world ranking points.
Factor in travelling around the same country too.

If the Euro Tour had a Rolex event every week more Euro players would stay this side of the pond and the points would be more evenly distributed on each tour.
But we all know that'll never happen...
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12/10/2020 15:10:28 0 3
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When most of the top players play on one tour and the other tour on a typical week is populated by nobodies then it isn't surprising which controls golf.
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In a Sky interview Monty once said to Kirsty Gallacher, "If you offered me a 69 on the first tee this morning I would have taken it"

Of course you would Monty!
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12/10/2020 15:24:21 18 0
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I imagine most blokes would, golfer or not
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12/10/2020 19:39:40 0 0
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He’d be on the SOR if he had back then most probably!
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12/10/2020 14:03:14 6 10
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Well done Tyrell Hatton on some fine golf. If his hoodie upsets a few of the stuffy old brigade then all the better.

As for Laird, well, he's American really, isn't he? He even declared for their Ryder Cup team a few years back.
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12/10/2020 14:15:10 11 0
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Comments about Laird are total nonsense.
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12/10/2020 14:24:27 6 1
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that is utter bullshit , he is an honorary member at my club. he aint American . He is a proud Scot
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12/10/2020 15:09:33 3 0
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Fud
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12/10/2020 13:54:07 8 1
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Indeed the Brits are doing pretty good at the moment and generally punching above their weight. It would be nice to see the world ranking system given a more even spread though. The PGA have controlled and hogged the system for far too long to preserve their own tour, shame on them.
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12/10/2020 14:03:28 5 1
bbc
Bigger prize money attracts the best players.
Fields with the best players, quite rightly, offer more world ranking points.
Factor in travelling around the same country too.

If the Euro Tour had a Rolex event every week more Euro players would stay this side of the pond and the points would be more evenly distributed on each tour.
But we all know that'll never happen...
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12/10/2020 14:06:40 9 16
bbc
Since when were hoodies allowed on the golf course? If I wore one at my local club, I'm pretty sure that I'd have my green fees revoked and membership cancelled.
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12/10/2020 14:18:09 17 6
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You're at the wrong club then...
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12/10/2020 14:30:23 1 1
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You have to pay green fees on top of your membership? Sounds odd. What club is that then?
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12/10/2020 14:12:35 0 10
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Hatton deserved this . Great play all weekend . Pity Hall and Reid didn't play as good on the ladies circuit , especially " world class " Reid who could only manage joint 30th place .
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12/10/2020 14:29:22 3 1
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Again? Seriously?
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12/10/2020 14:03:14 6 10
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Well done Tyrell Hatton on some fine golf. If his hoodie upsets a few of the stuffy old brigade then all the better.

As for Laird, well, he's American really, isn't he? He even declared for their Ryder Cup team a few years back.
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12/10/2020 14:15:10 11 0
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Comments about Laird are total nonsense.
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12/10/2020 14:06:40 9 16
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Since when were hoodies allowed on the golf course? If I wore one at my local club, I'm pretty sure that I'd have my green fees revoked and membership cancelled.
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12/10/2020 14:18:09 17 6
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You're at the wrong club then...
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12/10/2020 20:04:28 0 1
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Don't think so, I'm very happy with my club.
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12/10/2020 14:19:23 55 23
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The hoodie was a disgrace! I was so upset I had to have a little weep! oh when will people learn that this sort of attire is fine absolutely anywhere else, but on a golf course it is an abomination that threatens the very nature of our sport!! what next? juniors? women??!! or people without jacket and ties in the bar??! oh the humanity of it! Oh why can't we be back in the 1950s when I was happy?!
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12/10/2020 14:34:08 34 1
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Lovely tongue in cheek reply, either that or you are a member at West Byfleet, where I once walked into the pro shop to buy a trolley and I was wearing jeans. Before i got to the door, I was asked in a rather rude fashion "Are you a member?" I said no, the person then said, you cant come in here in jeans. He cost his pro a few quid for the sale of an electric trolley
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13/10/2020 11:06:00 3 0
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I remember playing for the day, as a non member, at a course in Cheshire. Between rounds we wanted some lunch and a drink in the bar. Despite wearing golfing attire, we were told we could not come in without a tie. The steward had a supply behind the bar, 2 of which he promptly loaned us. I attached the said green tie to my polo shirt, both looking ridiculous we were allowed in!
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12/10/2020 14:21:20 15 1
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Who cares what players wear, so long as the golf and sportsmanship are great. For Tyrell H it looks like both are on an upwards trajectory, and there was a great video link with proud mum and dad afterwards. Fantastic win for Laird, here’s hoping it gives him a chance to feature in a major. Women’s golf is key to grassroots club success in U.K. so also great to see success there too.
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12/10/2020 14:03:14 6 10
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Well done Tyrell Hatton on some fine golf. If his hoodie upsets a few of the stuffy old brigade then all the better.

As for Laird, well, he's American really, isn't he? He even declared for their Ryder Cup team a few years back.
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12/10/2020 14:24:27 6 1
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that is utter bullshit , he is an honorary member at my club. he aint American . He is a proud Scot
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12/10/2020 19:16:46 2 1
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Hmm. Sure he is. Where was he last week at the Scottish Open then?
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12/10/2020 14:27:27 11 2
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Tyrrell played very well and deserved to win. Adidas are delighted with the publicity for the hoodie. If your club wont let you play with a hoodie, then I would recommend you join somewhere else. By being stuffy about clothing, a club can lose a lot of new young members.
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12/10/2020 14:44:50 8 2
bbc
Looking forward to seeing him in his Liverpool jersey in Augusta
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12/10/2020 14:28:15 13 1
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Great performance from Hatton. Seems to find his best golf when he gets a sniff of a win, good front runner.

And great effort form Laird. I didn’t see that coming.

Best bit of front running at the weekend was sei-young kim though, 7 time major champ right behind her and she just kept playing better and better.
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12/10/2020 14:12:35 0 10
bbc
Hatton deserved this . Great play all weekend . Pity Hall and Reid didn't play as good on the ladies circuit , especially " world class " Reid who could only manage joint 30th place .
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12/10/2020 14:29:22 3 1
bbc
Again? Seriously?
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12/10/2020 15:47:27 0 2
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Am I not allowed my opinion then , Jimbob ??
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12/10/2020 14:06:40 9 16
bbc
Since when were hoodies allowed on the golf course? If I wore one at my local club, I'm pretty sure that I'd have my green fees revoked and membership cancelled.
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12/10/2020 14:30:23 1 1
bbc
You have to pay green fees on top of your membership? Sounds odd. What club is that then?
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12/10/2020 20:02:03 0 1
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Jimmy C, you misunderstand. I pay my green fees annually as I am a member of a golf club (Stonebridge near Coventry).
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12/10/2020 14:19:23 55 23
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The hoodie was a disgrace! I was so upset I had to have a little weep! oh when will people learn that this sort of attire is fine absolutely anywhere else, but on a golf course it is an abomination that threatens the very nature of our sport!! what next? juniors? women??!! or people without jacket and ties in the bar??! oh the humanity of it! Oh why can't we be back in the 1950s when I was happy?!
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12/10/2020 14:34:08 34 1
bbc
Lovely tongue in cheek reply, either that or you are a member at West Byfleet, where I once walked into the pro shop to buy a trolley and I was wearing jeans. Before i got to the door, I was asked in a rather rude fashion "Are you a member?" I said no, the person then said, you cant come in here in jeans. He cost his pro a few quid for the sale of an electric trolley
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12/10/2020 15:00:44 7 1
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Lovely! Who asked you, a member?

I brought a group of 12 to a course in Surrey once and a bunch of old majors turned up and tried to muscle in on the first tee, saying they always played at that time and we had no right being there. Nice welcome there lads! Didn't take groups back there again.
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12/10/2020 15:49:00 1 1
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Got a trolley going cheap , if you fancy mate .
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12/10/2020 23:05:47 2 1
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West Byfleet is known to be a terrible course...try pyrford for an actual test and a degree of respect
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13/10/2020 10:12:40 2 0
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In my experience it's the "3rd division" golf courses still stuck in the 1920s. They are run by people who by & large are never will be's as opposed to has beens...My son is a member of Birkdale & has played many of the top courses locally &nationally and obviously there are rules for the clubhouse etc but apart from that there is much informality at the clubs. Dress code on the course obviously
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12/10/2020 14:34:20 13 1
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It was just a plain colour & it had a hood on it ! Get the kids into sport not a discussion about clothes , Look at the guys & girls golf games & how they cope under pressure !!
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12/10/2020 15:49:38 4 0
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The youngsters round here dress like mini pros, white belts and all!
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12/10/2020 14:42:19 1 25
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Don't understand the fuss, none of the big fuss here. This was a pretty poor field with no one of any significance turning up. No doubt Tantrum Fatton would bottled it under pressure and blown a fuse like he normally does! Moving on.....
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12/10/2020 14:48:24 19 0
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Well done BOD, nonsense comment as per usual
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12/10/2020 14:55:01 2 0
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Yeah, he has a well earning reputation for being grumpy and hot-headed on the course, but I can't think of any examples of him blowing up under pressure like you suggest. Quite the opposite, that's when he tends to play his best golf, when he's in with a chance of winning.

Maybe you can give some examples of when he has blown up when he has had a lead on Sunday
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12/10/2020 14:27:27 11 2
bbc
Tyrrell played very well and deserved to win. Adidas are delighted with the publicity for the hoodie. If your club wont let you play with a hoodie, then I would recommend you join somewhere else. By being stuffy about clothing, a club can lose a lot of new young members.
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12/10/2020 14:44:50 8 2
bbc
Looking forward to seeing him in his Liverpool jersey in Augusta
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12/10/2020 14:46:41 35 15
bbc
Lets be clear. Dress standards are set by out of date and out of fashion golf committees stuffed full of old codgers. Since I left school I choose what I wear except on a golf course. No wonder young people think golf is stuffy!
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12/10/2020 15:05:51 32 8
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Club committees are a reflection of a club's members. If an entire club membership felt that the committee was out of touch, they'd elect a different committee who more accurately represented them.

Easier to sit in the bar and moan about the old codgers instead of joining the committee yourself, I suppose.
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12/10/2020 15:10:43 16 3
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Some people think that dressing smartly and/or in an appropriate manner is a sign of respect - self-respect and also respect for one's surroundings and host.
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13/10/2020 06:19:50 4 1
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I play now and again at Royal Bootle ! Tracksuit must be worn at all times and a half bag of mixed stix and odd balls!
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12/10/2020 14:47:42 27 3
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If its an agument simply for smartness, reserved and respectable clothing then I'd suggest this hoodie fits the bill more than blokes walking about in bright pink pants and yellow jumpers etc.
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12/10/2020 14:42:19 1 25
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Don't understand the fuss, none of the big fuss here. This was a pretty poor field with no one of any significance turning up. No doubt Tantrum Fatton would bottled it under pressure and blown a fuse like he normally does! Moving on.....
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12/10/2020 14:48:24 19 0
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Well done BOD, nonsense comment as per usual
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12/10/2020 14:50:15 6 3
bbc
Use to like golf, playing and watching, pity it's lost to TV for those who have to budget responsible whilst trying to bring up family, I'm sure I could get me son interested if he could see the game's starts, I may be able to justify playing again then as well.
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12/10/2020 15:07:52 3 2
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BBC2 had good highlights show on at 6pm Saturday and Sunday and its currently on the IPlayer too
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12/10/2020 15:12:41 2 0
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The Womens PGA was shown free on YouTube
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12/10/2020 14:50:56 18 2
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Not sure why anyone would be bothered about someone wearing a hoodie. My only thought is that it's hugely impractical for playing golf as it blinkers peripheral vision so you'd have to have the hood down when playing a shot. Better off with a hat on ... which Hatton (hat on?) also had.

Beyond that, who cares.
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12/10/2020 14:42:19 1 25
bbc
Don't understand the fuss, none of the big fuss here. This was a pretty poor field with no one of any significance turning up. No doubt Tantrum Fatton would bottled it under pressure and blown a fuse like he normally does! Moving on.....
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12/10/2020 14:55:01 2 0
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Yeah, he has a well earning reputation for being grumpy and hot-headed on the course, but I can't think of any examples of him blowing up under pressure like you suggest. Quite the opposite, that's when he tends to play his best golf, when he's in with a chance of winning.

Maybe you can give some examples of when he has blown up when he has had a lead on Sunday
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12/10/2020 15:03:40 4 0
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I agree.....BOD is clueless lol
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12/10/2020 14:57:19 18 2
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Golf and type of clothing never sit well. It is slowly changing but at a snail's pace. The rule that always got me is that you must wear white socks if you are wearing shorts. Why? Then there are the clubs where shorts are not permitted. Again why?
Well done to Laird and Hatton.
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12/10/2020 15:02:46 31 7
bbc
St George's Hill ... if you wear shorts (must be tailored, of course), you have to wear white socks that come above the knee ... without doubt the worst look I've ever seen on a golf course.
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12/10/2020 15:47:03 2 1
bbc
Perhaps that’s the way members of those clubs like it!
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12/10/2020 14:34:08 34 1
bbc
Lovely tongue in cheek reply, either that or you are a member at West Byfleet, where I once walked into the pro shop to buy a trolley and I was wearing jeans. Before i got to the door, I was asked in a rather rude fashion "Are you a member?" I said no, the person then said, you cant come in here in jeans. He cost his pro a few quid for the sale of an electric trolley
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12/10/2020 15:00:44 7 1
bbc
Lovely! Who asked you, a member?

I brought a group of 12 to a course in Surrey once and a bunch of old majors turned up and tried to muscle in on the first tee, saying they always played at that time and we had no right being there. Nice welcome there lads! Didn't take groups back there again.
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12/10/2020 15:12:23 5 0
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Name the and shame the course Jimmy!
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12/10/2020 14:57:19 18 2
bbc
Golf and type of clothing never sit well. It is slowly changing but at a snail's pace. The rule that always got me is that you must wear white socks if you are wearing shorts. Why? Then there are the clubs where shorts are not permitted. Again why?
Well done to Laird and Hatton.
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12/10/2020 15:02:46 31 7
bbc
St George's Hill ... if you wear shorts (must be tailored, of course), you have to wear white socks that come above the knee ... without doubt the worst look I've ever seen on a golf course.
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12/10/2020 15:10:58 4 0
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Agreed Jimmy. Have played a few golf courses in the West Mids of England where they insisted on long socks, which were, of course, available for purchase in the pro shop at a vastly inflated price and are now lingering in a drawer somewhere. I used to feel like a centre half not a golfer.
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12/10/2020 15:22:08 1 4
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Um - no you dont. You have to wear white shorts above the ankle. Still stupid, but not quite as you say above.
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EJ
12/10/2020 15:22:55 2 0
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They looked good on Ai Miyazato.
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12/10/2020 14:55:01 2 0
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Yeah, he has a well earning reputation for being grumpy and hot-headed on the course, but I can't think of any examples of him blowing up under pressure like you suggest. Quite the opposite, that's when he tends to play his best golf, when he's in with a chance of winning.

Maybe you can give some examples of when he has blown up when he has had a lead on Sunday
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12/10/2020 15:03:40 4 0
bbc
I agree.....BOD is clueless lol
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12/10/2020 14:46:41 35 15
bbc
Lets be clear. Dress standards are set by out of date and out of fashion golf committees stuffed full of old codgers. Since I left school I choose what I wear except on a golf course. No wonder young people think golf is stuffy!
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12/10/2020 15:05:51 32 8
bbc
Club committees are a reflection of a club's members. If an entire club membership felt that the committee was out of touch, they'd elect a different committee who more accurately represented them.

Easier to sit in the bar and moan about the old codgers instead of joining the committee yourself, I suppose.
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12/10/2020 16:25:49 9 2
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Fair point. At most sports clubs 10% of the members do 90% of the work. I actually support dress codes so far as they stop people being scruffy. But I think some rules are just there to lord it over others. Like white socks with shorts? Why? What's so bad about coloured socks? Let alone the fact that white socks make me feel like a 1980s used car salesman. Not a good look but each to their own.
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12/10/2020 18:18:11 5 3
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As long as every golfer respects the course, greenkeepers and other golfers then they should wear what they want. Committee's should always look to the future with every decision. On the whole committes are clueless and I should know. I've worked in golf over 30 years. The number one thing you should be doing is fully supporting your greenkeepers. Wages, facilities and equipment.
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13/10/2020 09:13:57 1 0
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Not true, most committees, whether in golf or other sports, are made up of people who get a kick out of doing it, most of the members don't. While I admire them for taking on the role, they seldom represent the younger members and continue to operate as an exclusive group.
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12/10/2020 14:50:15 6 3
bbc
Use to like golf, playing and watching, pity it's lost to TV for those who have to budget responsible whilst trying to bring up family, I'm sure I could get me son interested if he could see the game's starts, I may be able to justify playing again then as well.
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12/10/2020 15:07:52 3 2
bbc
BBC2 had good highlights show on at 6pm Saturday and Sunday and its currently on the IPlayer too
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12/10/2020 14:03:14 6 10
bbc
Well done Tyrell Hatton on some fine golf. If his hoodie upsets a few of the stuffy old brigade then all the better.

As for Laird, well, he's American really, isn't he? He even declared for their Ryder Cup team a few years back.
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12/10/2020 15:09:33 3 0
bbc
Fud
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12/10/2020 13:54:07 8 1
bbc
Indeed the Brits are doing pretty good at the moment and generally punching above their weight. It would be nice to see the world ranking system given a more even spread though. The PGA have controlled and hogged the system for far too long to preserve their own tour, shame on them.
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12/10/2020 15:10:28 0 3
bbc
When most of the top players play on one tour and the other tour on a typical week is populated by nobodies then it isn't surprising which controls golf.
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12/10/2020 15:53:11 0 1
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For very long time one tour was run for benefit of its management and a favoured few
Eventually the top players went West
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12/10/2020 14:46:41 35 15
bbc
Lets be clear. Dress standards are set by out of date and out of fashion golf committees stuffed full of old codgers. Since I left school I choose what I wear except on a golf course. No wonder young people think golf is stuffy!
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12/10/2020 15:10:43 16 3
bbc
Some people think that dressing smartly and/or in an appropriate manner is a sign of respect - self-respect and also respect for one's surroundings and host.
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12/10/2020 16:40:22 1 2
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I think this is a fair point however some golf clubs are enraptured by rules and regulations which are inflicted upon members. It's not welcoming or flexible.
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12/10/2020 18:07:11 0 5
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And others think that trusting people to make good choices or that being happy that they are happy is also a way to be respectful.
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12/10/2020 15:02:46 31 7
bbc
St George's Hill ... if you wear shorts (must be tailored, of course), you have to wear white socks that come above the knee ... without doubt the worst look I've ever seen on a golf course.
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12/10/2020 15:10:58 4 0
bbc
Agreed Jimmy. Have played a few golf courses in the West Mids of England where they insisted on long socks, which were, of course, available for purchase in the pro shop at a vastly inflated price and are now lingering in a drawer somewhere. I used to feel like a centre half not a golfer.
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12/10/2020 15:00:44 7 1
bbc
Lovely! Who asked you, a member?

I brought a group of 12 to a course in Surrey once and a bunch of old majors turned up and tried to muscle in on the first tee, saying they always played at that time and we had no right being there. Nice welcome there lads! Didn't take groups back there again.
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12/10/2020 15:12:23 5 0
bbc
Name the and shame the course Jimmy!
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12/10/2020 14:50:15 6 3
bbc
Use to like golf, playing and watching, pity it's lost to TV for those who have to budget responsible whilst trying to bring up family, I'm sure I could get me son interested if he could see the game's starts, I may be able to justify playing again then as well.
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12/10/2020 15:12:41 2 0
bbc
The Womens PGA was shown free on YouTube
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12/10/2020 15:16:14 24 3
bbc
Good on Hatton, did more than hold his nerve. Great play on a tough course. Smart hoodie!

Golf club attire is up to its member. They are the club. If they want white socks (most) or red tops (Wimbledon) fine. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. I play at a club that allows cargo-shorts (ideal for golf tees score card, golf pitchforks etc). A lot don't allow this, so I respect their rules.
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12/10/2020 15:02:46 31 7
bbc
St George's Hill ... if you wear shorts (must be tailored, of course), you have to wear white socks that come above the knee ... without doubt the worst look I've ever seen on a golf course.
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12/10/2020 15:22:08 1 4
bbc
Um - no you dont. You have to wear white shorts above the ankle. Still stupid, but not quite as you say above.
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12/10/2020 15:26:32 13 0
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I always wear my shorts above the ankle!
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12/10/2020 15:28:58 1 1
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It's about 5 years since I have been to St George's Hill, and at that point they definitely still had the "over the knee" socks as a requirement with shorts. If that is no longer the case, great, but I'm absolutely certain that it was a rule there.
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12/10/2020 15:44:38 4 0
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"You have to wear white shorts above the ankle"

Having your shorts below your ankle is enough to get you chucked out of most clubs, to be fair, but good on you if you were running around St George's Hill like that, liven the place up a bit.
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12/10/2020 15:02:46 31 7
bbc
St George's Hill ... if you wear shorts (must be tailored, of course), you have to wear white socks that come above the knee ... without doubt the worst look I've ever seen on a golf course.
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EJ
12/10/2020 15:22:55 2 0
bbc
They looked good on Ai Miyazato.
In a Sky interview Monty once said to Kirsty Gallacher, "If you offered me a 69 on the first tee this morning I would have taken it"

Of course you would Monty!
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12/10/2020 15:24:21 18 0
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I imagine most blokes would, golfer or not
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12/10/2020 15:22:08 1 4
bbc
Um - no you dont. You have to wear white shorts above the ankle. Still stupid, but not quite as you say above.
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12/10/2020 15:26:32 13 0
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I always wear my shorts above the ankle!
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12/10/2020 15:22:08 1 4
bbc
Um - no you dont. You have to wear white shorts above the ankle. Still stupid, but not quite as you say above.
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12/10/2020 15:28:58 1 1
bbc
It's about 5 years since I have been to St George's Hill, and at that point they definitely still had the "over the knee" socks as a requirement with shorts. If that is no longer the case, great, but I'm absolutely certain that it was a rule there.
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12/10/2020 15:39:29 1 0
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He should get A Nordqvist stylist and adopt her attire code at the KPMG Womans PGA. Then see what the old duffers on the committee would say no collar on her T shirt tut tut.
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12/10/2020 15:22:08 1 4
bbc
Um - no you dont. You have to wear white shorts above the ankle. Still stupid, but not quite as you say above.
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12/10/2020 15:44:38 4 0
bbc
"You have to wear white shorts above the ankle"

Having your shorts below your ankle is enough to get you chucked out of most clubs, to be fair, but good on you if you were running around St George's Hill like that, liven the place up a bit.
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12/10/2020 14:57:19 18 2
bbc
Golf and type of clothing never sit well. It is slowly changing but at a snail's pace. The rule that always got me is that you must wear white socks if you are wearing shorts. Why? Then there are the clubs where shorts are not permitted. Again why?
Well done to Laird and Hatton.
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12/10/2020 15:47:03 2 1
bbc
Perhaps that’s the way members of those clubs like it!
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12/10/2020 15:54:27 5 2
bbc
No, it is the way that the minority of the members of those clubs like it. The ones who see it as 'their' club. I left a club because of their antiquated rules. I hear they are now struggling financially and are attempting to update some of their stupidity. A part of me hopes they fold.
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12/10/2020 14:29:22 3 1
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Again? Seriously?
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12/10/2020 15:47:27 0 2
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Am I not allowed my opinion then , Jimbob ??
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12/10/2020 16:11:17 3 1
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Of course you are, Koppite - but you're becoming extremely tiresome banging the same old drum dear boy...
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12/10/2020 14:34:08 34 1
bbc
Lovely tongue in cheek reply, either that or you are a member at West Byfleet, where I once walked into the pro shop to buy a trolley and I was wearing jeans. Before i got to the door, I was asked in a rather rude fashion "Are you a member?" I said no, the person then said, you cant come in here in jeans. He cost his pro a few quid for the sale of an electric trolley
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12/10/2020 15:49:00 1 1
bbc
Got a trolley going cheap , if you fancy mate .
50
12/10/2020 15:49:36 3 6
bbc
Laird and Knox are vastly superior golfers to some Scots who have appeared in Ryder Cup
Shame this isn't referred to in this article
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12/10/2020 15:56:23 9 1
bbc
Laird and Knox are vastly superior to some English, Welsh and Irishmen who have appeared in the Ryder Cup. Your point is??
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12/10/2020 16:09:50 4 0
bbc
Teams are picked based on those who have qualified plus the captain's view of best available players at that point in time. His picks might be based on current form, might be based on previous record, but he has to make a decision at that point in time. Whether or not a player is better than other players from the same country who have competed in the past is of zero relevance.
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12/10/2020 14:34:20 13 1
bbc
It was just a plain colour & it had a hood on it ! Get the kids into sport not a discussion about clothes , Look at the guys & girls golf games & how they cope under pressure !!
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12/10/2020 15:49:38 4 0
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The youngsters round here dress like mini pros, white belts and all!
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12/10/2020 18:09:08 0 0
bbc
White belt?! That is nearly like cheating, it's got to be worth 2 or 3 shots per round off one's score.
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12/10/2020 15:10:28 0 3
bbc
When most of the top players play on one tour and the other tour on a typical week is populated by nobodies then it isn't surprising which controls golf.
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12/10/2020 15:53:11 0 1
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For very long time one tour was run for benefit of its management and a favoured few
Eventually the top players went West
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12/10/2020 15:47:03 2 1
bbc
Perhaps that’s the way members of those clubs like it!
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12/10/2020 15:54:27 5 2
bbc
No, it is the way that the minority of the members of those clubs like it. The ones who see it as 'their' club. I left a club because of their antiquated rules. I hear they are now struggling financially and are attempting to update some of their stupidity. A part of me hopes they fold.
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12/10/2020 15:49:36 3 6
bbc
Laird and Knox are vastly superior golfers to some Scots who have appeared in Ryder Cup
Shame this isn't referred to in this article
54
12/10/2020 15:56:23 9 1
bbc
Laird and Knox are vastly superior to some English, Welsh and Irishmen who have appeared in the Ryder Cup. Your point is??
55
12/10/2020 16:06:18 0 4
bbc
Ryder Cup wildcards not been given on merit - we all know it - are you a genuine reader ?
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12/10/2020 19:21:40 2 3
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The pair of them are rubbish. Knox can barely make a cut these days and is a certainty to lose his card this season coming, while Laird wins a tournament about as often as most folk change wives.
I know the pool of players in Scotland is absolute garbage and has been for about 100 years but let's not get carried away.
54
12/10/2020 15:56:23 9 1
bbc
Laird and Knox are vastly superior to some English, Welsh and Irishmen who have appeared in the Ryder Cup. Your point is??
55
12/10/2020 16:06:18 0 4
bbc
Ryder Cup wildcards not been given on merit - we all know it - are you a genuine reader ?
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12/10/2020 16:20:56 3 0
bbc
The captain has to make decisions, and they will face criticism if their picks don't perform well, regardless of whether the pick has been made based on current form or past performance.

I seem to remember the European picks working out pretty well the last time, although there were a lot of people moaning about the pics in advance of the event.
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12/10/2020 16:23:04 2 0
bbc
Isn't point of wildcards to allow captains not too pick on merit, otherwise you'd just extend the qualifying criteria so all 12 are based on qualifying points/world ranking. You can be disappointed to not make a team, or can disagree with the captains picks but I don't think you can ever feel hard done by or deserving of a pick if you haven't manged to get in via the automatic selection criteria.
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12/10/2020 16:06:52 21 5
bbc
Golf drives away people with the snobbish, out dated ways and there is NOTHING wrong with the smart attire worn by last weekends worthy winner. Embrace it don't criticise it
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12/10/2020 16:12:40 11 2
bbc
Ah relax! Yes there are some clubs where blazers, ties and all the rest of it are major requirements. The good thing is that that helps you to identify the sort of club that it is, and go and join a different type of club if you don't like it. There are plenty of clubs that are a lot more modern in outlook.
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12/10/2020 16:17:38 6 2
bbc
It's a bit like choosing a restaurant to go to. If one place insists on jackets, ties, phones off and you're happier in a place that plays music and you can turn up in your shorts and t-shirt and use your phone, then it's up to you which one you go to. But to suggest that the restaurant business is turning people off eating because some of them have stricter dress codes wouldn't make much sense.
50
12/10/2020 15:49:36 3 6
bbc
Laird and Knox are vastly superior golfers to some Scots who have appeared in Ryder Cup
Shame this isn't referred to in this article
57
12/10/2020 16:09:50 4 0
bbc
Teams are picked based on those who have qualified plus the captain's view of best available players at that point in time. His picks might be based on current form, might be based on previous record, but he has to make a decision at that point in time. Whether or not a player is better than other players from the same country who have competed in the past is of zero relevance.
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12/10/2020 15:47:27 0 2
bbc
Am I not allowed my opinion then , Jimbob ??
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12/10/2020 16:11:17 3 1
bbc
Of course you are, Koppite - but you're becoming extremely tiresome banging the same old drum dear boy...
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12/10/2020 18:56:59 1 3
bbc
Getting to you , is it mate ??
56
12/10/2020 16:06:52 21 5
bbc
Golf drives away people with the snobbish, out dated ways and there is NOTHING wrong with the smart attire worn by last weekends worthy winner. Embrace it don't criticise it
59
12/10/2020 16:12:40 11 2
bbc
Ah relax! Yes there are some clubs where blazers, ties and all the rest of it are major requirements. The good thing is that that helps you to identify the sort of club that it is, and go and join a different type of club if you don't like it. There are plenty of clubs that are a lot more modern in outlook.
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12/10/2020 17:40:36 0 1
bbc
Good players but why would he put that in this article??
56
12/10/2020 16:06:52 21 5
bbc
Golf drives away people with the snobbish, out dated ways and there is NOTHING wrong with the smart attire worn by last weekends worthy winner. Embrace it don't criticise it
60
12/10/2020 16:17:38 6 2
bbc
It's a bit like choosing a restaurant to go to. If one place insists on jackets, ties, phones off and you're happier in a place that plays music and you can turn up in your shorts and t-shirt and use your phone, then it's up to you which one you go to. But to suggest that the restaurant business is turning people off eating because some of them have stricter dress codes wouldn't make much sense.
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12/10/2020 17:57:51 0 3
bbc
Yes, but they might be denying people the right to play on a fine course, with their irrelevant attitudes. The kind of discrimination that the world is in the process of stamping out.

What if the next nearest restaurant was 40 miles away?
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13/10/2020 09:28:59 0 0
bbc
Nah. Restaurants are not golf clubs. Anyone can dress properly and attend a restaurant. Not so at some club that requires certain outfits and some social standing spit out and required by like minded snobs.
55
12/10/2020 16:06:18 0 4
bbc
Ryder Cup wildcards not been given on merit - we all know it - are you a genuine reader ?
61
12/10/2020 16:20:56 3 0
bbc
The captain has to make decisions, and they will face criticism if their picks don't perform well, regardless of whether the pick has been made based on current form or past performance.

I seem to remember the European picks working out pretty well the last time, although there were a lot of people moaning about the pics in advance of the event.
55
12/10/2020 16:06:18 0 4
bbc
Ryder Cup wildcards not been given on merit - we all know it - are you a genuine reader ?
62
12/10/2020 16:23:04 2 0
bbc
Isn't point of wildcards to allow captains not too pick on merit, otherwise you'd just extend the qualifying criteria so all 12 are based on qualifying points/world ranking. You can be disappointed to not make a team, or can disagree with the captains picks but I don't think you can ever feel hard done by or deserving of a pick if you haven't manged to get in via the automatic selection criteria.
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12/10/2020 16:23:37 1 0
bbc
Agree though that both are good Scottish players
62
12/10/2020 16:23:04 2 0
bbc
Isn't point of wildcards to allow captains not too pick on merit, otherwise you'd just extend the qualifying criteria so all 12 are based on qualifying points/world ranking. You can be disappointed to not make a team, or can disagree with the captains picks but I don't think you can ever feel hard done by or deserving of a pick if you haven't manged to get in via the automatic selection criteria.
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12/10/2020 16:23:37 1 0
bbc
Agree though that both are good Scottish players
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12/10/2020 15:05:51 32 8
bbc
Club committees are a reflection of a club's members. If an entire club membership felt that the committee was out of touch, they'd elect a different committee who more accurately represented them.

Easier to sit in the bar and moan about the old codgers instead of joining the committee yourself, I suppose.
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12/10/2020 16:25:49 9 2
bbc
Fair point. At most sports clubs 10% of the members do 90% of the work. I actually support dress codes so far as they stop people being scruffy. But I think some rules are just there to lord it over others. Like white socks with shorts? Why? What's so bad about coloured socks? Let alone the fact that white socks make me feel like a 1980s used car salesman. Not a good look but each to their own.
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12/10/2020 16:34:32 8 3
bbc
Wonderful win and brilliant player but his outbursts yesterday were not good and are unfair on those he is playing with. Simple if a putt doesn't go in you misread it pure and simple. Suck it up and move on and show a bit of respect to your playing partners.
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12/10/2020 15:10:43 16 3
bbc
Some people think that dressing smartly and/or in an appropriate manner is a sign of respect - self-respect and also respect for one's surroundings and host.
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12/10/2020 16:40:22 1 2
bbc
I think this is a fair point however some golf clubs are enraptured by rules and regulations which are inflicted upon members. It's not welcoming or flexible.
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12/10/2020 16:45:21 12 5
bbc
Great golf from Hatton. But his attitude and tantrums are utterly pathetic and a discredit to the game of golf.
68
12/10/2020 16:52:50 8 5
bbc
... said the bloke who has "sergio's ironplay" as a username!

Should be a bit more like sergio then, should he?
67
12/10/2020 16:45:21 12 5
bbc
Great golf from Hatton. But his attitude and tantrums are utterly pathetic and a discredit to the game of golf.
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12/10/2020 16:52:50 8 5
bbc
... said the bloke who has "sergio's ironplay" as a username!

Should be a bit more like sergio then, should he?
69
12/10/2020 16:55:52 5 2
bbc
I think sergio's tantrums are pathetic also. But my username references his ironplay. :P
68
12/10/2020 16:52:50 8 5
bbc
... said the bloke who has "sergio's ironplay" as a username!

Should be a bit more like sergio then, should he?
69
12/10/2020 16:55:52 5 2
bbc
I think sergio's tantrums are pathetic also. But my username references his ironplay. :P
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12/10/2020 16:58:05 28 7
bbc
I do try to like Hatton, I admire his golfing abilities but there is just something about him that is dislikeable

He always seems just a moment away from throwing his toys out of the pram, even when it goes well he does not seem to be enjoying it and smile.

What could be better than playing golf for a living and being so good at it that you are a multi-millionare as a result?
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13/10/2020 17:56:36 3 0
bbc
You've more friends than enemies with that quip, David but for me, he is maturing nicely and his golf too. In the same vein, I actually do not dislike Patrick Reed. Do I need advice, therapy or what?
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12/10/2020 17:05:36 5 0
bbc
As for Golf all I will say is since covid it has been booming and a number of clubs were I live - membership is full and waiting lists --- takes me back to the 1980's....

In addition, a lot of those are the younger generation and kids. Surely can only be good for the game in the future - other changes will happen - just like offices did away with wearing suits to allow casual wear....
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12/10/2020 17:49:52 6 2
bbc
Agreed. Any club telling people what to wear ought to take a look at themselves and what can't really be defended these days when we should be celebrating diversity, and responding to behaviour and character rather than appearance. (Old attitudes steeped in power and control, not what's right, should be consigned to history.)
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12/10/2020 17:08:01 5 1
bbc
Let's be clear, the hoodie joins the elasticated trouser bottoms and other "unusual" items of clothing in a grotesque attempt to make YOU, the amateur golfer spend even more than you already have. Hatton and others only wear what they're told/paid to do. It's not their own choice. Otherwise why do they stop after a few weeks (see Rickie Fowler and the trousers for instance. Back to normal now).
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12/10/2020 17:16:42 1 0
bbc
Well done Tyrrell ??????
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EJ
12/10/2020 17:27:33 4 0
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I thought Hatton played well and deserved to win. He has a deal with Adidas and is told what to wear. I didn’t see a problem with it. Many clubs specify shirts with collars. Seen many pros wear collarless shirts because of deals with Nike etc. Again not a problem.
Sei Young Kim another deserved winner who won in style.
Laird beat some top names for his win...Wolff and DeChambeau etc. It’s golf.
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12/10/2020 17:29:10 5 1
bbc
Hatton's hoodie doesn't bother me, but his temper does. If he doesn't learn to rein in his emotions he's going to lose the plot completely one day.
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12/10/2020 16:12:40 11 2
bbc
Ah relax! Yes there are some clubs where blazers, ties and all the rest of it are major requirements. The good thing is that that helps you to identify the sort of club that it is, and go and join a different type of club if you don't like it. There are plenty of clubs that are a lot more modern in outlook.
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12/10/2020 17:40:36 0 1
bbc
Good players but why would he put that in this article??
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12/10/2020 17:46:28 5 1
bbc
Thought I was coming to read a golfing column but seem to have stumbled on the GQ magazine website
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12/10/2020 17:05:36 5 0
bbc
As for Golf all I will say is since covid it has been booming and a number of clubs were I live - membership is full and waiting lists --- takes me back to the 1980's....

In addition, a lot of those are the younger generation and kids. Surely can only be good for the game in the future - other changes will happen - just like offices did away with wearing suits to allow casual wear....
78
12/10/2020 17:49:52 6 2
bbc
Agreed. Any club telling people what to wear ought to take a look at themselves and what can't really be defended these days when we should be celebrating diversity, and responding to behaviour and character rather than appearance. (Old attitudes steeped in power and control, not what's right, should be consigned to history.)
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12/10/2020 17:51:23 3 2
bbc
The vast majority of clubs need to encourage younger members all they will die with the ageing membership. If anyone wants to wear the latest clothing then great. As long as they respect the course, greenkeepers and other golfers. Yes greenkeepers, every greenkeeper has had golf balls hit at them. Without them you wouldn't have a game, so respect them like the skilled workers they are.
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12/10/2020 18:34:27 2 1
bbc
You are completely out of touch. This summer, there have been huge increases in golf memberships due to people working from home. It’s not an ageing, reducing membership
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12/10/2020 16:17:38 6 2
bbc
It's a bit like choosing a restaurant to go to. If one place insists on jackets, ties, phones off and you're happier in a place that plays music and you can turn up in your shorts and t-shirt and use your phone, then it's up to you which one you go to. But to suggest that the restaurant business is turning people off eating because some of them have stricter dress codes wouldn't make much sense.
80
12/10/2020 17:57:51 0 3
bbc
Yes, but they might be denying people the right to play on a fine course, with their irrelevant attitudes. The kind of discrimination that the world is in the process of stamping out.

What if the next nearest restaurant was 40 miles away?
100
12/10/2020 18:57:08 1 1
bbc
This piece is nothing to do with the Ryder Cup!
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12/10/2020 18:03:39 1 2
bbc
If we didn’t embrace changes in fashion, we’d all still be wearing plus fours & playing in a tie. It’s more about how you behave than what you wear. Would prefer not to see gym-monsters on our course, but I’m sure that won’t happen.

Not everyone’s cup of tea, but TH is developing into one seriously top golfer. I am sure he will be challenging in the upcoming majors, he isn’t afraid to win.
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12/10/2020 18:05:42 14 2
bbc
Hoodie?!....no problem at all.....Id be happy for the people in the 2ball in front of us on saturday to wear a Mr Blobby outfit if it meant they got round in 3-3.5hrs instead of 4.5!
86
12/10/2020 18:11:19 4 1
bbc
Couldn’t agree more ????
87
12/10/2020 18:12:04 1 1
bbc
That’s what I touchy ??
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12/10/2020 19:29:02 0 2
bbc
Ye
148
13/10/2020 09:33:29 0 0
bbc
Modern golf in a nutshell!

Getting itself all in a flap about a marketing ploy from Adidas and yet still nothing done about slow play
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13/10/2020 13:15:51 0 0
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Spot on
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12/10/2020 15:10:43 16 3
bbc
Some people think that dressing smartly and/or in an appropriate manner is a sign of respect - self-respect and also respect for one's surroundings and host.
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12/10/2020 18:07:11 0 5
bbc
And others think that trusting people to make good choices or that being happy that they are happy is also a way to be respectful.
51
12/10/2020 15:49:38 4 0
bbc
The youngsters round here dress like mini pros, white belts and all!
84
12/10/2020 18:09:08 0 0
bbc
White belt?! That is nearly like cheating, it's got to be worth 2 or 3 shots per round off one's score.
85
12/10/2020 18:10:39 1 3
bbc
I did not see the Wentworth event but I did see all the play in the last day in the event that Laird won. The course played relatively short for the pros and so Laird was not disadvantaged. He had more than his fair share of luck over the last 11 holes but a win is a win. He now has no accent from Glasgow but he wore the usual synthetic clothes that the sporting companies produce .
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12/10/2020 18:20:34 4 2
bbc
Lol Laird disadvantaged because the course played short. He is a long hitter so no disadvantage to him. The point about luck is to take advantage of it, he did
82
12/10/2020 18:05:42 14 2
bbc
Hoodie?!....no problem at all.....Id be happy for the people in the 2ball in front of us on saturday to wear a Mr Blobby outfit if it meant they got round in 3-3.5hrs instead of 4.5!
86
12/10/2020 18:11:19 4 1
bbc
Couldn’t agree more ????
82
12/10/2020 18:05:42 14 2
bbc
Hoodie?!....no problem at all.....Id be happy for the people in the 2ball in front of us on saturday to wear a Mr Blobby outfit if it meant they got round in 3-3.5hrs instead of 4.5!
87
12/10/2020 18:12:04 1 1
bbc
That’s what I touchy ??
88
12/10/2020 18:13:39 3 3
bbc
Good player Tyrrell Hatton.
Was surprised by the hoodie and probably wouldn't wear one but who really cares. Style moves on and if it gets younger people involved in the game then its all good.
White socks with shorts have been mentioned (knee length ones too) !! Not at my club . I have never understood why they cant wear shorts on the tours.
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12/10/2020 15:05:51 32 8
bbc
Club committees are a reflection of a club's members. If an entire club membership felt that the committee was out of touch, they'd elect a different committee who more accurately represented them.

Easier to sit in the bar and moan about the old codgers instead of joining the committee yourself, I suppose.
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12/10/2020 18:18:11 5 3
bbc
As long as every golfer respects the course, greenkeepers and other golfers then they should wear what they want. Committee's should always look to the future with every decision. On the whole committes are clueless and I should know. I've worked in golf over 30 years. The number one thing you should be doing is fully supporting your greenkeepers. Wages, facilities and equipment.
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12/10/2020 18:10:39 1 3
bbc
I did not see the Wentworth event but I did see all the play in the last day in the event that Laird won. The course played relatively short for the pros and so Laird was not disadvantaged. He had more than his fair share of luck over the last 11 holes but a win is a win. He now has no accent from Glasgow but he wore the usual synthetic clothes that the sporting companies produce .
90
12/10/2020 18:20:34 4 2
bbc
Lol Laird disadvantaged because the course played short. He is a long hitter so no disadvantage to him. The point about luck is to take advantage of it, he did
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evo
12/10/2020 18:27:28 1 7
bbc
What's this ? A BBC article finally recognising British golf and its high standing in the world. BBC News sports has been incredibly unimaginative over the last few years. Every week we get an update on Andy Murray failing in the 2nd round of an obscure tournament and a mention for Rory mcllroy if he'shad a good week. That's generally just about it for British golf as far as the BBC is concerned.
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12/10/2020 18:31:25 2 1
bbc
If you like the article, why not just enjoy it and contribute to the hys instead of dragging it back to the stuff you don’t like? Seriously, why?
96
12/10/2020 18:41:33 2 0
bbc
Didn’t know Andy Murray was a golfer, thought he was top tennis player. However you seem to know something everybody else in the world doesn’t.
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evo
12/10/2020 18:27:28 1 7
bbc
What's this ? A BBC article finally recognising British golf and its high standing in the world. BBC News sports has been incredibly unimaginative over the last few years. Every week we get an update on Andy Murray failing in the 2nd round of an obscure tournament and a mention for Rory mcllroy if he'shad a good week. That's generally just about it for British golf as far as the BBC is concerned.
92
12/10/2020 18:31:25 2 1
bbc
If you like the article, why not just enjoy it and contribute to the hys instead of dragging it back to the stuff you don’t like? Seriously, why?
93
12/10/2020 18:34:05 4 2
bbc
Good luck to the young feller me lad. With the dosh he pocketed he’ll stock up on hoodies, skateboards and a decent BMX.
79
12/10/2020 17:51:23 3 2
bbc
The vast majority of clubs need to encourage younger members all they will die with the ageing membership. If anyone wants to wear the latest clothing then great. As long as they respect the course, greenkeepers and other golfers. Yes greenkeepers, every greenkeeper has had golf balls hit at them. Without them you wouldn't have a game, so respect them like the skilled workers they are.
94
12/10/2020 18:34:27 2 1
bbc
You are completely out of touch. This summer, there have been huge increases in golf memberships due to people working from home. It’s not an ageing, reducing membership
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12/10/2020 20:37:21 2 1
bbc
It will be when these people are sacked because their employers find out they've been on the golf course rather than working and they end up having to give up their memberships.
95
12/10/2020 18:38:06 1 5
bbc
Tyrell Hatton is working on his golf not his public image and that’s his affair, not everyone can be likeable like Sandy a Lyle was at his peak but give me Hatton instead of Faldo whi while a great golfer was not a nice person,
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evo
12/10/2020 18:27:28 1 7
bbc
What's this ? A BBC article finally recognising British golf and its high standing in the world. BBC News sports has been incredibly unimaginative over the last few years. Every week we get an update on Andy Murray failing in the 2nd round of an obscure tournament and a mention for Rory mcllroy if he'shad a good week. That's generally just about it for British golf as far as the BBC is concerned.
96
12/10/2020 18:41:33 2 0
bbc
Didn’t know Andy Murray was a golfer, thought he was top tennis player. However you seem to know something everybody else in the world doesn’t.
97
12/10/2020 18:55:46 3 4
bbc
A masterstroke putting Europe's best player Tyrrell Hatton in those hoodies.

Not only is his game magnificent but he now looks magnificent too.

Such a simple swing. Straight up and down and not much can go wrong with it.

Can he move the ball around trees with fades and draws? Not really but he doesn't have to, he hits the ball as straight as an arrow and can place it where he likes.
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12/10/2020 18:56:02 8 3
bbc
Great performance but I honestly don’t get the hoodie, what is the point of having a hood when you’re never going to put it up, just looks stupid!!!
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12/10/2020 16:11:17 3 1
bbc
Of course you are, Koppite - but you're becoming extremely tiresome banging the same old drum dear boy...
99
12/10/2020 18:56:59 1 3
bbc
Getting to you , is it mate ??
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13/10/2020 09:28:05 0 0
bbc
Ha!
I'd never let anything as trivial as you get to me.
Mate
80
12/10/2020 17:57:51 0 3
bbc
Yes, but they might be denying people the right to play on a fine course, with their irrelevant attitudes. The kind of discrimination that the world is in the process of stamping out.

What if the next nearest restaurant was 40 miles away?
100
12/10/2020 18:57:08 1 1
bbc
This piece is nothing to do with the Ryder Cup!