England and Wales top seeds in RWC draw
13/12/2020 | sport | rugbyunion | 413
Wales and England are among the top seeds for the 2023 Rugby World Cup draw on Monday, with Ireland in band two and Scotland in the third band.
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13/12/2020 16:30:49 22 10
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Baffling how wales are top seeded and that's from a welshman. 2 seasons of below par performances should surely have dropped us below Ireland or even france
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13/12/2020 16:48:41 8 1
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It was Capped ages ago before those losses the rankings are bizarre at the best of times
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13/12/2020 16:50:25 3 1
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As the article clearly explains, the rankings were determined in January (pre-Covid) when Wales were in a much better place. The proposal is to determine rankings closer to tournament. This would have been a far more sensible alternative - Covid might no longer be a factor, teams have much longer together and several tourneys passed. France are in the wrong tier for a start, the 6N will show this.
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13/12/2020 17:17:15 6 3
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Lol two seasons of below par performances!!! Maybe this season but last season grand slam winners and world cup semi final!! Below par really!
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13/12/2020 18:56:24 3 1
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2 seasons I seem to remember a GS in 2019
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13/12/2020 20:05:01 0 0
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About as Welsh as a fish finger sandwich I suspect
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13/12/2020 16:33:40 15 5
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Always good to look beyond 2020 - what a year - but this really does seem to be too early for the draw; it’s too unreliable as a guide to form in 3 years’ time. Also, shame this WC will be in France - again. Ireland would have been a great host, or an outsider like Argentina or Italy.
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13/12/2020 20:02:00 9 1
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Argentina is a southern hemisphere nation and in 2023 it is the turn of the northern hemisphere to host. One problem which IRB resolutely fails to deal with is that there are only a few countries with the financial resources to host a World Cup. Surely something should be done about that, especially in the light of the brilliant way in which Japan hosted the last tournament.
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13/12/2020 16:39:06 31 14
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Wales being top seeds is bizarre. When did they take the rankings from?
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NM
13/12/2020 16:39:55 13 2
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January.
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13/12/2020 16:53:34 3 1
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Because of all the disruption this year, teams such as SA having not played at all for example, they've taken the rankings from January when Wales were 4th (could be wrong on that, but at least one of the top teams) and used them for these seeds
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13/12/2020 19:34:38 0 0
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See above.
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13/12/2020 19:43:30 1 0
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It used to be the case that rankings were strongly influenced, above and beyond the relevant ranking points, by the team's performance in the previous RWC. I don't know whether or not that still applies, but the top four seeds do happen to be the four semi-finalists from the last competition.
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13/12/2020 19:58:09 0 1
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When they were in the world's top four rankings.
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14/12/2020 05:34:29 1 0
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The organisation decided that due to the COVID disruption that they would use the teams’ performance in the previous World Cup to decide upon ranking. It has its flaws but it is difficult to know what else they could have done. COVID is still a factor and many teams are rebuilding, with new coaches and players so performances this year will not reflect very much either on ranking.
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14/12/2020 09:58:45 0 0
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Still a danger of getting our 2 bogey teams, Australia and Fiji. Want a bet that New Zealand get Japan and Italy?
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kai
14/12/2020 10:41:33 0 0
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Not it's not considering they got to the last world cup semi final and won the grand slam last year too
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13/12/2020 16:39:06 31 14
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Wales being top seeds is bizarre. When did they take the rankings from?
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NM
13/12/2020 16:39:55 13 2
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January.
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13/12/2020 16:30:49 22 10
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Baffling how wales are top seeded and that's from a welshman. 2 seasons of below par performances should surely have dropped us below Ireland or even france
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13/12/2020 16:48:41 8 1
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It was Capped ages ago before those losses the rankings are bizarre at the best of times
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13/12/2020 16:30:49 22 10
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Baffling how wales are top seeded and that's from a welshman. 2 seasons of below par performances should surely have dropped us below Ireland or even france
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13/12/2020 16:50:25 3 1
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As the article clearly explains, the rankings were determined in January (pre-Covid) when Wales were in a much better place. The proposal is to determine rankings closer to tournament. This would have been a far more sensible alternative - Covid might no longer be a factor, teams have much longer together and several tourneys passed. France are in the wrong tier for a start, the 6N will show this.
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13/12/2020 16:52:59 36 13
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Those band 2 nations will have fingers tightly crossed in the hopes of getting Wales
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13/12/2020 17:14:34 24 22
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Not in 3 years time they wont
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13/12/2020 20:02:31 3 2
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The bitterness extends - excellent.
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13/12/2020 23:30:16 5 1
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Have no doubt John bach.Wales will be more than ready for the next world cup.
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13/12/2020 16:39:06 31 14
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Wales being top seeds is bizarre. When did they take the rankings from?
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13/12/2020 16:53:34 3 1
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Because of all the disruption this year, teams such as SA having not played at all for example, they've taken the rankings from January when Wales were 4th (could be wrong on that, but at least one of the top teams) and used them for these seeds
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13/12/2020 16:54:01 2 1
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There’s a Group of death in there somewhere with Sc and Arg in Pot 3. Never mind an all B&I top three in a group: anyone else fancy seeing NZ, Oz and Arg drawn together?! Conversely, one top seed could get Japan, Italy, then eg Uruguay and Namibia.

So much depends on the draw - a top pool side could look nailed on for at least the s-f - or struggle to get beyond the group stages.
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13/12/2020 16:54:09 3 1
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Somebody could be in a group with france and argentina!
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13/12/2020 16:56:50 3 1
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Or France and Fiji
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13/12/2020 16:55:29 94 6
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Always found it weird how rugby does their WC draws 3 years in advance. A lot could change in that time. For all it's faults, FIFA doing theirs in the December before their WC is at least logical. Rugby should follow suit in that regard
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jmw
13/12/2020 17:45:38 18 2
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Agreed. There was already talk about changing it after 2015 so I’m surprised they’ve only just recommended it now.
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13/12/2020 19:49:14 2 0
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There isn’t much I would say rugby should follow rugby in but I concur.
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13/12/2020 20:45:23 5 0
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Many things dont make sense when it comes to World Rugby, this is an organisation that keeps making big noises about expanding the game globally. But has had their showpiece competition stuck at 20 teams since 1999 ? Also if Romania hadn't been disqualified from the last RWC for fielding an ineligible player in qualifiers, and Russia not come in. It would of been the same 20 sides in 2019 as 2015.
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13/12/2020 20:55:58 2 4
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It's to do with planning for fan numbers in different areas of the host country. They need plenty of time to plan hotels, transport links, policing etc. Some teams attract a much bigger fan base.
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13/12/2020 22:22:35 1 0
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Problem rugby has is, outside World Cup, there’s little mixing of competitions. 6N play among themselves , RC does same. T2 get the occasional bone thrown to them in the shape of “development tours”. But you can’t use a “saxons” or Scot/Wales/Ire B team games for ranking

The reality is, imho, if WC places were on the line it would endanger Lions tours & those are massive money spinners for T1.
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Jon
14/12/2020 09:43:35 0 0
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The fluctuation in rankings is getting worse, too. Wales are probably the most extreme example but since the 2015 WC they've run up and down the top 10 a couple of times.
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13/12/2020 16:54:09 3 1
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Somebody could be in a group with france and argentina!
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13/12/2020 16:56:50 3 1
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Or France and Fiji
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13/12/2020 16:59:17 2 8
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Plse Scotland v Japan again and the same
Result
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13/12/2020 17:01:09 16 5
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Whether you’re in Band 1 or Band 2 it’s Italy you want to draw from Band 3 to all but guarantee your place in the 1/4 finals.

Scotland, Argentina and Fiji are all capable of qualifying.

Wales won’t fancy drawing France and Argentina
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13/12/2020 17:12:29 7 14
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Wales need Italy like oxygen in any rugby competition they paly in !
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14/12/2020 08:33:52 0 0
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Nor Ire and Sco right now. However, it's Aus I'm expecting. We don't have a RWC without playing Aus.
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13/12/2020 17:06:15 11 10
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Erm, Wales (IRB rank 9th) are in Band 1 and France (IRB rank 4th) are in band 2! Simply unfair.
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13/12/2020 20:33:12 3 2
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Whilst the Wales situation is an anomaly caused by a bad run, they were WC semi-finalists. France are only just above the team on 5th place and way behind the team in third. They had also been aided by Australia two draws against Argentina. Also worth noting during the last world cup Wales topped their group, France did not and Wales beat France in the Quarter final.
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13/12/2020 17:06:25 15 1
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What ever the decisions that deemed the positions in pools already, the RWC is always going to bring something that nobody planned for. Look at Japan beating SA and England failing to get out of the group stages. No team will have a walk over as every team thought of as a minnow will play like their lives depend on it. And that's why we all love it
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13/12/2020 19:59:06 12 0
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And the dimwits in blazers will allow people like Andre Watson and Craig Joubert to officiate.
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13/12/2020 17:06:35 39 6
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Remember Wales were once third seeds due to rankings being taken at a point in time. That created a ‘group of death’ in the 2015 World Cup. And we all know what happened next ..:
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13/12/2020 17:24:13 44 36
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Yup, they won their own personal World Cup Final, celebrate it still five+ years later, but then disappeared quietly, without trace in the quarters in 2015. It would take a freakish risk in form and loads of luck in the tourney itself for any third seeded nation ever to come close to winning the World Cup.
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13/12/2020 23:27:14 5 0
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And if they where taken today Wales would again be in the third seed Tier as they are now ranked 9th but it’s really stupid to decide seeding 12 months before the draw.
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13/12/2020 17:09:11 6 14
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Wales have improved this year but I still think they should have to go through qualifying with the likes of Romania etc. Would be sending the right message.
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13/12/2020 17:17:19 7 1
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2015 SirStuart, you've never forgiven us. ha ha
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cjb
13/12/2020 17:10:36 0 16
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As usual it will be the same tedious same old / same old.

Winner from - ABs, engurland, maybe Aussies / SA

It’s in France but they will be as chaotic as always and would need fair amount luck to win the thing

This is why rugger will always play 2nd fiddle to footie. The predictability and the unwillingness of the top tier nations to foster the game globally. Short sighted self preservation
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13/12/2020 17:13:33 3 5
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No I expect France, England & Japan to provide serious opposition to NZ, Australia & SA.
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13/12/2020 17:34:07 2 1
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Football's world cup has been around 90 years and only 8 teams have won it and no one outside Europe since 2002. No emerging nations are getting a look in. Money completely rules that sport now.
There's only ever been 8 winners of the football WC and that's been going since 1950.
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14/12/2020 08:22:16 0 0
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Rugger?

Have a word with yourself.
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13/12/2020 17:11:15 0 7
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Whats gone on there !!
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13/12/2020 18:33:06 0 0
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You've missed an apostrophe and a question mark.
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13/12/2020 17:11:43 33 9
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Hoping to avoid group of death which would be:

England, France, Argentina

Dream draw would be:

England, Japan, Italy

At least Wales can't knock us out of the group stages!
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13/12/2020 17:01:09 16 5
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Whether you’re in Band 1 or Band 2 it’s Italy you want to draw from Band 3 to all but guarantee your place in the 1/4 finals.

Scotland, Argentina and Fiji are all capable of qualifying.

Wales won’t fancy drawing France and Argentina
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13/12/2020 17:12:29 7 14
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Wales need Italy like oxygen in any rugby competition they paly in !
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cjb
13/12/2020 17:10:36 0 16
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As usual it will be the same tedious same old / same old.

Winner from - ABs, engurland, maybe Aussies / SA

It’s in France but they will be as chaotic as always and would need fair amount luck to win the thing

This is why rugger will always play 2nd fiddle to footie. The predictability and the unwillingness of the top tier nations to foster the game globally. Short sighted self preservation
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13/12/2020 17:13:33 3 5
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No I expect France, England & Japan to provide serious opposition to NZ, Australia & SA.
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13/12/2020 16:52:59 36 13
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Those band 2 nations will have fingers tightly crossed in the hopes of getting Wales
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13/12/2020 17:14:34 24 22
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Not in 3 years time they wont
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13/12/2020 18:40:06 5 0
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??
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13/12/2020 19:34:32 6 7
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In 3 years time Wales will be even more of an omnishambles.
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13/12/2020 17:15:34 1 3
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So much can change before next WC starts, 3 from band 1 could end up as equivalent band 2 teams at the start of the tournament. Similarly 2 of band 3 have the potential not just to be band 2, but even band 1. So whatever group of death scenarios arise tomorrow, when I comes to 2023, the relative team strengths will be very different.
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13/12/2020 17:16:12 18 3
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Wrong time to group. But whichever way they are grouped at this stage doesn't really matter as one of the dominant teams in 2023 will lift the WC. The situation will have to change dramatically between now and then for it not to be either France, NZ, England or SA.
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13/12/2020 19:23:41 7 1
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completely agree but it's a great shame these aren't the 4 teams in the top seeding group - would keep them apart until the semi-finals
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13/12/2020 20:31:58 0 0
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Agreed and gave you a thumbs up but never write off Australia.
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13/12/2020 21:54:34 0 2
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France? You must be joking. I am not a soccer fan but at least the world cups and even the European Championships can have a number of potential winners. Since the decline of Australia, this is a 3 horse race.
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14/12/2020 10:38:59 0 0
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Only 8 teams have won FIFA WC (21 comps). 4 have won the RWC in 9. So if France win that's 5 from 10 (looking a good shout now...bar the French collapse). Teams that could possibly win it in a good year France, Ireland, Wales, possibly Argentina. Things don't look too different...
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13/12/2020 16:30:49 22 10
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Baffling how wales are top seeded and that's from a welshman. 2 seasons of below par performances should surely have dropped us below Ireland or even france
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13/12/2020 17:17:15 6 3
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Lol two seasons of below par performances!!! Maybe this season but last season grand slam winners and world cup semi final!! Below par really!
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14/12/2020 10:17:39 1 0
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World cup semi final in which we lost convincingly only after scraping past a 14 man French squad. Albeit the grand slam but considering that is literally a Few months from being 2 years. In mean time we have performed that well that we have dropped to 9th in world rankings. Behind 3 home nation teams (eng,ire,Scot, and france). Again tell me how wales deserve it?
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13/12/2020 17:09:11 6 14
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Wales have improved this year but I still think they should have to go through qualifying with the likes of Romania etc. Would be sending the right message.
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13/12/2020 17:17:19 7 1
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2015 SirStuart, you've never forgiven us. ha ha
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13/12/2020 17:24:07 1 4
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Nothing to forgive but the best Welsh speaking nation this yeah hasn't been Wales...
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13/12/2020 17:17:19 7 1
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2015 SirStuart, you've never forgiven us. ha ha
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13/12/2020 17:24:07 1 4
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Nothing to forgive but the best Welsh speaking nation this yeah hasn't been Wales...
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13/12/2020 17:06:35 39 6
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Remember Wales were once third seeds due to rankings being taken at a point in time. That created a ‘group of death’ in the 2015 World Cup. And we all know what happened next ..:
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13/12/2020 17:24:13 44 36
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Yup, they won their own personal World Cup Final, celebrate it still five+ years later, but then disappeared quietly, without trace in the quarters in 2015. It would take a freakish risk in form and loads of luck in the tourney itself for any third seeded nation ever to come close to winning the World Cup.
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13/12/2020 20:01:31 21 7
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Hardly disappeared quietly. Lost narrowly to South Africa with a very depleted team. Take that chip off your shoulder and move it to the other one.
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13/12/2020 20:01:50 18 5
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Beating England in their own WC - priceless
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13/12/2020 20:08:18 18 8
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They were leading SA with 76 mins gone in that quarter final mate, and they were decimated by injuries fro group stages. Hardly disappeared quietly. Get your facts right before spouting such tripe Simon.
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SV
14/12/2020 09:35:40 2 0
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Argentina in the third group of seeds and were one of the most impressive nations this autumn. They have incredible talent at their disposal and a young squad, wouldn't be surprising if they went to the semis again.
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kai
14/12/2020 10:40:05 4 2
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Wow the sour grapes here from an Englishman is why the welsh hate the arrogant English so much.
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Sam
13/12/2020 17:32:38 1 7
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How are Wales seeded when they are currently ranked 9th in the World. Joke of a seeding system. Nightmare for them will be a draw against Ireland or Australia & Argentina.
They finished 4th at 2019 World Cup...simple
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13/12/2020 17:37:16 3 1
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Because of the pandemic, and lack of matches played this year. World Rugby used the rankings as they were at start of 2020, although I agree Wales wouldn't be anywhere near been seeded if it was on current form.
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cjb
13/12/2020 17:10:36 0 16
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As usual it will be the same tedious same old / same old.

Winner from - ABs, engurland, maybe Aussies / SA

It’s in France but they will be as chaotic as always and would need fair amount luck to win the thing

This is why rugger will always play 2nd fiddle to footie. The predictability and the unwillingness of the top tier nations to foster the game globally. Short sighted self preservation
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13/12/2020 17:34:07 2 1
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Football's world cup has been around 90 years and only 8 teams have won it and no one outside Europe since 2002. No emerging nations are getting a look in. Money completely rules that sport now.
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cjb
13/12/2020 17:10:36 0 16
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As usual it will be the same tedious same old / same old.

Winner from - ABs, engurland, maybe Aussies / SA

It’s in France but they will be as chaotic as always and would need fair amount luck to win the thing

This is why rugger will always play 2nd fiddle to footie. The predictability and the unwillingness of the top tier nations to foster the game globally. Short sighted self preservation
There's only ever been 8 winners of the football WC and that's been going since 1950.
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13/12/2020 18:25:42 2 1
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Since 1934
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13/12/2020 17:35:06 9 3
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If you want to win the WC you have to play the best teams at some stage so the groups don't matter so much,
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14/12/2020 04:53:45 0 0
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In which case why not just make the tournament for the top 4/8 tier 1 nations only and base it on the previous months rankings? It's by letting the smaller nations, like Japan, Fiji, Samoa etc, qualify and get into the groups do they stand a chance of getting better. Or in your world do they simply not matter?
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Sam
13/12/2020 17:32:38 1 7
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How are Wales seeded when they are currently ranked 9th in the World. Joke of a seeding system. Nightmare for them will be a draw against Ireland or Australia & Argentina.
They finished 4th at 2019 World Cup...simple
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Sam
14/12/2020 00:26:23 0 1
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They aren’t even in the top 4 in the six nations. Little man syndrome springs to mind
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Sam
13/12/2020 17:32:38 1 7
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How are Wales seeded when they are currently ranked 9th in the World. Joke of a seeding system. Nightmare for them will be a draw against Ireland or Australia & Argentina.
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13/12/2020 17:37:16 3 1
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Because of the pandemic, and lack of matches played this year. World Rugby used the rankings as they were at start of 2020, although I agree Wales wouldn't be anywhere near been seeded if it was on current form.
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13/12/2020 17:38:05 2 3
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Looks almost certain it will be England Australia Argentina then in the same group
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13/12/2020 17:44:01 6 10
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3 years to go but, at the moment every tier 2&3 team will fancy a go at Wales.
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13/12/2020 16:55:29 94 6
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Always found it weird how rugby does their WC draws 3 years in advance. A lot could change in that time. For all it's faults, FIFA doing theirs in the December before their WC is at least logical. Rugby should follow suit in that regard
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jmw
13/12/2020 17:45:38 18 2
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Agreed. There was already talk about changing it after 2015 so I’m surprised they’ve only just recommended it now.
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13/12/2020 19:47:42 5 0
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The force field created by the brass buttons on a blazer can often cause the human brain to slow down to less than one tenth of its usual speed. So I'm told.
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13/12/2020 17:48:36 32 1
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If FIFA can do their world cup draw less than a year before the comp, why can"t rugby do the same?
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13/12/2020 20:20:03 15 0
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Stupidity
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14/12/2020 08:17:24 3 0
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Gotta keep the rich old boys club countries at the top. Hand it to the tier 1 countries. Don't ever dare let tier 3 countries progress any further. Don't want rugby turning into a poor man's game like football.
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13/12/2020 17:48:41 3 13
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Wales? Hahaha.
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13/12/2020 17:54:10 14 6
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You also said that in 2015.......the rest is history. Wales beat you at HQ with half a team lol.
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13/12/2020 17:52:10 5 4
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A lot can change in 3 years. Let's be honest, the winner will be either France, England, New Zealand or South Africa. Australia always do well in a World Cup year too.
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13/12/2020 17:48:41 3 13
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Wales? Hahaha.
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13/12/2020 17:54:10 14 6
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You also said that in 2015.......the rest is history. Wales beat you at HQ with half a team lol.
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13/12/2020 17:56:25 5 8
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Wales you can't be serious the poorest team in the uk by a distance, Scotland and Argentina in group 3 really. Far to far away to decide these things.
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ET
13/12/2020 18:30:15 6 4
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Sorry, I’m not having that. Losing once to Scotland doesn’t move you below them. Scotland should be in a 5 Nations with Italy, Romania, Spain and a Russia.
Promote Georgia to replace them.
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13/12/2020 17:57:49 2 9
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Argentina in band 3 are the one to avoid. Any other band 3 team is beatable by teams in bands 1 and 2 - unless you're Wales of course! Haha!!
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13/12/2020 18:15:03 3 8
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How and on what planet are Wales a Top seed side?

That's just a joke.

It must be.

Whoever gets them in the group will be living it and use it as warm-up.

I'm still in shock
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13/12/2020 18:25:14 7 1
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If you read the article you'll find out how it has come about. I hope this helps.
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13/12/2020 18:50:12 1 0
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A bit like Glasgow and Edinburgh this week end then! At least the Welsh clubs managed 3 wins out of 4 & Dragons lost 6 players on the morning of the match (Covid)
Wales reaching the last World Cup semi final and harshly losing to the eventual winners who hammered your beloved white orcs might be a slight clue why Wales are seeded. Idiot. Removed
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13/12/2020 18:15:38 3 9
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That’s a joke, Wales in top tier - Ireland more likely to reach that level before next RWC
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13/12/2020 18:51:35 8 1
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Wales have made three World Cup semi Finals, Ireland on the other hand have never been past a quarter-final, wake up get yourself a Rugby Union brain before you comment.
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13/12/2020 18:24:38 2 7
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Nope. I still can believe it sorry.

Wales.....A Top seed team.

This report must be a joke.
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13/12/2020 18:39:36 1 0
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Can Scotland please draw them
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13/12/2020 18:44:16 0 0
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we finished fourth and were in the top four teams in the world for at least the previous year and a half. If in2023 Wales win the 6 Nations before the World Cup would you say again not a top seed team ? The seedings should be from world cup positions/results and the draw for next world cup one month after the previous world cup held
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13/12/2020 18:15:03 3 8
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How and on what planet are Wales a Top seed side?

That's just a joke.

It must be.

Whoever gets them in the group will be living it and use it as warm-up.

I'm still in shock
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13/12/2020 18:25:14 7 1
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If you read the article you'll find out how it has come about. I hope this helps.
There's only ever been 8 winners of the football WC and that's been going since 1950.
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13/12/2020 18:25:42 2 1
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Since 1934
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13/12/2020 18:26:43 4 3
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Loving this stuff from the Anglo's... it's going to be sweet!
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13/12/2020 18:29:50 7 1
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I know. It's like when we somehow ended up 1 in the rankings, the annoyance it caused some was most entertaining.
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13/12/2020 18:34:48 1 1
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Question is whether you honestly think you’re one of the top four teams in the world at the moment. If you’ve watched Wales play this year I can’t see how you could.
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13/12/2020 18:27:47 63 2
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The ridiculous approach of World Rugby to having the draw three years before the event has made a mockery of the World Cup groups before.

Now, presented via Covid with a great opportunity to do the sensible thing and delay the draw, they decide not only to continue with the draw but base it on rankings that are already a year out of date!

This is embarrassing for world rugby.
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13/12/2020 18:26:43 4 3
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Loving this stuff from the Anglo's... it's going to be sweet!
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13/12/2020 18:29:50 7 1
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I know. It's like when we somehow ended up 1 in the rankings, the annoyance it caused some was most entertaining.
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13/12/2020 19:19:13 0 2
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The only time Wales fans accepted the world rankings was when they were Number 1. They dismissed them almost immediately when they slipped down the rankings.
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13/12/2020 17:56:25 5 8
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Wales you can't be serious the poorest team in the uk by a distance, Scotland and Argentina in group 3 really. Far to far away to decide these things.
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13/12/2020 18:30:15 6 4
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Sorry, I’m not having that. Losing once to Scotland doesn’t move you below them. Scotland should be in a 5 Nations with Italy, Romania, Spain and a Russia.
Promote Georgia to replace them.
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13/12/2020 18:41:09 2 0
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Scotland are better than this Wales and only need to consistency and some dxtra strength in depth to challenge for the Six Nations again
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13/12/2020 19:14:50 2 1
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yawn......usual myopic comment.....Sco have stuffed Georgia every time they have played them....I recall in the 1990's calls from some Eng fans & pundits to have Eng/Fra jettison the then 5 Nations competition, and play only NZ/Aus/SA. Since then Ire/Wal have won more Grand Slams than Eng. ! 6 Nations needs Sco and the revenue 6N weekends in Edinburgh bring...ever more so now....
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13/12/2020 18:30:17 3 4
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RWC board doing what it does best....making a complete fool of itself

To put it in context, on current situation Wales are a 3rd tier team. France, Aus, Ireland and Scotland (arguably) are all better and above

Do the RWC not realise how utterly incompetent and unprofessional this is, especially after the debacle of the cancelled games at the last WC. Watch the cooperative strategy fail!
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13/12/2020 18:38:30 0 0
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Totally agree. The standard cut off should have been used, or the draw delayed until the spring
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13/12/2020 18:32:03 0 2
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These rankings are always iffy. The teams to avoid (as usual) are Ireland, Aus, France and Argentina.
SA prob want to avoid Japan though ??
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13/12/2020 19:36:46 1 0
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Is that three time world cup winners SA?

I'm an England fan but they are deserved winners and holders

We have quality players and a game plan but need to have the ability to alter it when not working and don't think EJ can do that
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13/12/2020 18:32:54 8 1
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Why does rugby have such a complete absence of common sense when running competitions? It is hard to know which is the most ridiculous, deciding the seeds for a world cup over 3 years out from the competition, or the ludicrous European Cup format.
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13/12/2020 20:19:08 7 1
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There are a lot of former players on the IRB board. Perhaps the prevalence of rugby-induced neurological problems is greater than even Messrs Thomson, Popham and Lipman allege. Unfortunately, IRB has a very long-standing history of ineptitude.
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13/12/2020 22:35:34 2 0
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Because they don’t want to endanger the huge money spinning Lions tours.
If WC rankings were at risk home nations would be weaker due to players being on Lions duty & whoever was hosting lions on that trip wouldn’t be able to play other internationals & earn ranking points
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13/12/2020 17:11:15 0 7
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Whats gone on there !!
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13/12/2020 18:33:06 0 0
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You've missed an apostrophe and a question mark.
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13/12/2020 18:26:43 4 3
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Loving this stuff from the Anglo's... it's going to be sweet!
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13/12/2020 18:34:48 1 1
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Question is whether you honestly think you’re one of the top four teams in the world at the moment. If you’ve watched Wales play this year I can’t see how you could.
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13/12/2020 19:10:46 1 0
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Of course I don’t but Wales didn’t create the RWC pool system.
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13/12/2020 19:14:56 1 2
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Ah live and well in your head rent free.....love it
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13/12/2020 18:36:14 1 2
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If rankings are going to be decided this far out then might as well go 1 year further back and decide based on WC positions back then.
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13/12/2020 18:36:49 11 3
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Obviously a lot of you football supporters on here do not understand the final positions from the last World cup have a bearing on the next World cup rankings.
I know. Give them more than a couple of lines to read and they’ve reached the end of their attention span. Removed
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13/12/2020 18:30:17 3 4
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RWC board doing what it does best....making a complete fool of itself

To put it in context, on current situation Wales are a 3rd tier team. France, Aus, Ireland and Scotland (arguably) are all better and above

Do the RWC not realise how utterly incompetent and unprofessional this is, especially after the debacle of the cancelled games at the last WC. Watch the cooperative strategy fail!
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13/12/2020 18:38:30 0 0
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Totally agree. The standard cut off should have been used, or the draw delayed until the spring
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13/12/2020 18:24:38 2 7
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Nope. I still can believe it sorry.

Wales.....A Top seed team.

This report must be a joke.
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13/12/2020 18:39:36 1 0
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Can Scotland please draw them
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13/12/2020 18:47:21 1 1
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Having watched Glasgow today that may not end as well as you think.
6N will give us a better idea
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14/12/2020 07:07:03 0 0
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To give the SRU their due when they concocted their plan to become world champs I didn't realise it literally meant that. Good luck the McBoks
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13/12/2020 18:39:49 0 1
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Seedings should be decided on World Cup positions when the next World Cup draw is made. And the draw made one month after the final.
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13/12/2020 18:45:06 2 0
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If I understand you correctly Wales would still be in the top group. I agree with all who say that we don’t deserve it at the moment.
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13/12/2020 17:14:34 24 22
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Not in 3 years time they wont
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13/12/2020 18:40:06 5 0
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??
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13/12/2020 18:30:15 6 4
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Sorry, I’m not having that. Losing once to Scotland doesn’t move you below them. Scotland should be in a 5 Nations with Italy, Romania, Spain and a Russia.
Promote Georgia to replace them.
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13/12/2020 18:41:09 2 0
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Scotland are better than this Wales and only need to consistency and some dxtra strength in depth to challenge for the Six Nations again
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13/12/2020 18:59:42 1 3
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Scotland have as much chance of winning the Six Nations as you have at curing your dyslexia.
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13/12/2020 19:23:53 1 1
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I don’t know about challenging for the Six Nations. But you’re right, we’re definitely better than Wales. They’re too reliant on English cast offs.
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13/12/2020 19:40:05 1 1
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So they’ll challenge for the 6N if they’re better then.
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13/12/2020 18:41:31 39 3
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Gatland’s parting gift to Wales. Thanks Warren and Shaun - you’ll never need to buy yourself a pint in Wales again.
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13/12/2020 18:24:38 2 7
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Nope. I still can believe it sorry.

Wales.....A Top seed team.

This report must be a joke.
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13/12/2020 18:44:16 0 0
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we finished fourth and were in the top four teams in the world for at least the previous year and a half. If in2023 Wales win the 6 Nations before the World Cup would you say again not a top seed team ? The seedings should be from world cup positions/results and the draw for next world cup one month after the previous world cup held
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13/12/2020 18:39:49 0 1
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Seedings should be decided on World Cup positions when the next World Cup draw is made. And the draw made one month after the final.
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13/12/2020 18:45:06 2 0
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If I understand you correctly Wales would still be in the top group. I agree with all who say that we don’t deserve it at the moment.
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13/12/2020 20:22:06 0 1
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Wales are champions elect might as well just put them in the final now
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13/12/2020 18:45:14 0 3
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Silly having wales with the elite , but like previously said Gatland a legend .
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13/12/2020 19:09:43 0 0
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And?
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13/12/2020 18:46:09 1 6
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Hopefully we get an easy draw like Ireland in band 2, Scotland in band 3.

Wish we could play Wales as well but somehow they’re in our band?
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13/12/2020 19:09:53 3 1
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Just fingers crossed you avoid the French 3rd/4th team.
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13/12/2020 19:14:14 0 0
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Living in your head rent free ..... loving it. An itch you can’t scratch
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13/12/2020 18:46:44 26 0
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About the same period before the 2019 world cup South Africa were ranked 9th in the world.
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13/12/2020 18:55:16 10 4
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I'm fairy sure South Africa are the world champions too. ;)
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13/12/2020 19:12:46 2 0
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They've never been lower than 7th, so clearly not correct. They were 3rd at the start of 2016 and had fallen to 6th by the end of it.
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13/12/2020 19:14:59 3 2
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Yes, but Wales are nowhere near as good as SA. Not sure why Wales fans keep comparing the two sides.
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13/12/2020 20:12:11 4 4
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SA won the world cup by losing a group game, then getting in the weak half of the draw and trying not to play rugby. They didn't deserve to win.
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13/12/2020 18:39:36 1 0
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Can Scotland please draw them
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13/12/2020 18:47:21 1 1
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Having watched Glasgow today that may not end as well as you think.
6N will give us a better idea
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13/12/2020 19:20:26 0 2
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Exeter would beat most teams: including Wales.
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13/12/2020 18:15:03 3 8
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How and on what planet are Wales a Top seed side?

That's just a joke.

It must be.

Whoever gets them in the group will be living it and use it as warm-up.

I'm still in shock
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13/12/2020 18:50:12 1 0
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A bit like Glasgow and Edinburgh this week end then! At least the Welsh clubs managed 3 wins out of 4 & Dragons lost 6 players on the morning of the match (Covid)
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13/12/2020 18:51:04 2 4
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Wales are currently ranked 9th.
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13/12/2020 19:08:31 3 0
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Are we? Who knew?
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13/12/2020 19:09:30 1 0
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And?
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13/12/2020 18:15:38 3 9
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That’s a joke, Wales in top tier - Ireland more likely to reach that level before next RWC
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13/12/2020 18:51:35 8 1
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Wales have made three World Cup semi Finals, Ireland on the other hand have never been past a quarter-final, wake up get yourself a Rugby Union brain before you comment.
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13/12/2020 19:21:31 1 2
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Made 3 RWC semi finals, and lost them all. And lost the 3rd place play offs too.

Not much of a record to crow about.
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13/12/2020 20:00:32 0 0
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Still living in the past. If only you had Gareth, J P R etc. you would be the world beaters that you still are in your own minds.
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13/12/2020 18:46:44 26 0
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About the same period before the 2019 world cup South Africa were ranked 9th in the world.
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13/12/2020 18:55:16 10 4
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I'm fairy sure South Africa are the world champions too. ;)
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13/12/2020 19:11:01 5 0
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The point being made is how stupid it is to conduct the draw using positions from three and a half years out...
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13/12/2020 16:30:49 22 10
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Baffling how wales are top seeded and that's from a welshman. 2 seasons of below par performances should surely have dropped us below Ireland or even france
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13/12/2020 18:56:24 3 1
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2 seasons I seem to remember a GS in 2019
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13/12/2020 18:41:09 2 0
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Scotland are better than this Wales and only need to consistency and some dxtra strength in depth to challenge for the Six Nations again
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13/12/2020 18:59:42 1 3
bbc
Scotland have as much chance of winning the Six Nations as you have at curing your dyslexia.
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13/12/2020 18:51:04 2 4
bbc
Wales are currently ranked 9th.
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13/12/2020 19:08:31 3 0
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Are we? Who knew?
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13/12/2020 19:11:25 2 1
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Spot on. The gift that keeps on giving , living in the head of every English soul around the globe. Lovely stuff and free
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13/12/2020 19:14:06 1 0
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I knew.
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13/12/2020 19:20:48 0 0
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I refer to my previous post
Make no diff England won’t win it. Arrogant self righteous animals Removed
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13/12/2020 19:24:48 1 0
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Judging by this and your other comments, you're a bit of a hypocrite, aren't you.
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13/12/2020 20:00:42 0 1
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Here he is, English rugby living in his head rent free......for ever. Love it.we don’t need to say anything just wait for this one to start as it’s always there in his mind lol.........
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13/12/2020 18:51:04 2 4
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Wales are currently ranked 9th.
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13/12/2020 19:09:30 1 0
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And?
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13/12/2020 19:21:12 0 0
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I refer to my previous post
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13/12/2020 18:45:14 0 3
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Silly having wales with the elite , but like previously said Gatland a legend .
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13/12/2020 19:09:43 0 0
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And?
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13/12/2020 18:46:09 1 6
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Hopefully we get an easy draw like Ireland in band 2, Scotland in band 3.

Wish we could play Wales as well but somehow they’re in our band?
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13/12/2020 19:09:53 3 1
bbc
Just fingers crossed you avoid the French 3rd/4th team.
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13/12/2020 18:34:48 1 1
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Question is whether you honestly think you’re one of the top four teams in the world at the moment. If you’ve watched Wales play this year I can’t see how you could.
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13/12/2020 19:10:46 1 0
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Of course I don’t but Wales didn’t create the RWC pool system.
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13/12/2020 18:55:16 10 4
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I'm fairy sure South Africa are the world champions too. ;)
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13/12/2020 19:11:01 5 0
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The point being made is how stupid it is to conduct the draw using positions from three and a half years out...
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13/12/2020 19:08:31 3 0
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Are we? Who knew?
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13/12/2020 19:11:25 2 1
bbc
Spot on. The gift that keeps on giving , living in the head of every English soul around the globe. Lovely stuff and free
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13/12/2020 18:46:44 26 0
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About the same period before the 2019 world cup South Africa were ranked 9th in the world.
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13/12/2020 19:12:46 2 0
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They've never been lower than 7th, so clearly not correct. They were 3rd at the start of 2016 and had fallen to 6th by the end of it.
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13/12/2020 19:30:48 1 0
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Sorry , just rechecked it was the critics position not world rugby.
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13/12/2020 19:13:42 3 3
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Wales are the no 1 ranked side in the world and rightly so . I can’t see anyone beating Wales
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13/12/2020 19:16:21 1 2
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Here he is, welsh rugby living in his head rent free......for ever. Love it.we don’t need to say anything just wait for this one to start as it’s always there in his mind lol
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13/12/2020 19:16:57 0 0
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love the humour
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13/12/2020 20:14:42 0 0
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Au contraire, mon choux, Wales is currently ranked 9th in the world. As for potential conquerors, my aged memory only goes back to February, but since then England (twice), France, Ireland (twice) and Scotland have all beaten Wales - perhaps your back was turned at the various times, which would be understandable given the spineless performances of the men in red.
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13/12/2020 19:08:31 3 0
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Are we? Who knew?
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13/12/2020 19:14:06 1 0
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I knew.
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13/12/2020 18:46:09 1 6
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Hopefully we get an easy draw like Ireland in band 2, Scotland in band 3.

Wish we could play Wales as well but somehow they’re in our band?
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13/12/2020 19:14:14 0 0
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Living in your head rent free ..... loving it. An itch you can’t scratch
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13/12/2020 18:30:15 6 4
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Sorry, I’m not having that. Losing once to Scotland doesn’t move you below them. Scotland should be in a 5 Nations with Italy, Romania, Spain and a Russia.
Promote Georgia to replace them.
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13/12/2020 19:14:50 2 1
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yawn......usual myopic comment.....Sco have stuffed Georgia every time they have played them....I recall in the 1990's calls from some Eng fans & pundits to have Eng/Fra jettison the then 5 Nations competition, and play only NZ/Aus/SA. Since then Ire/Wal have won more Grand Slams than Eng. ! 6 Nations needs Sco and the revenue 6N weekends in Edinburgh bring...ever more so now....
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13/12/2020 19:26:00 0 1
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Wait, two nations have won more trophies than one nation?

Wow, mind blowing.
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13/12/2020 18:34:48 1 1
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Question is whether you honestly think you’re one of the top four teams in the world at the moment. If you’ve watched Wales play this year I can’t see how you could.
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13/12/2020 19:14:56 1 2
bbc
Ah live and well in your head rent free.....love it
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13/12/2020 18:46:44 26 0
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About the same period before the 2019 world cup South Africa were ranked 9th in the world.
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13/12/2020 19:14:59 3 2
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Yes, but Wales are nowhere near as good as SA. Not sure why Wales fans keep comparing the two sides.
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13/12/2020 19:38:59 5 1
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Because in the last 7 tests going back 6 years Wales won 5 and SA won 2.
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13/12/2020 19:13:42 3 3
bbc
Wales are the no 1 ranked side in the world and rightly so . I can’t see anyone beating Wales
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13/12/2020 19:16:21 1 2
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Here he is, welsh rugby living in his head rent free......for ever. Love it.we don’t need to say anything just wait for this one to start as it’s always there in his mind lol
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13/12/2020 19:16:42 3 2
bbc
I can see AWJ holding the World Cup already
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13/12/2020 19:31:33 5 0
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He’ll have retired by then, universally acknowledged by rugby experts as one of the all-time greats.
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13/12/2020 20:02:24 0 0
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Add some water to whatever you are taking.
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13/12/2020 21:02:40 0 0
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AWJ holding the world cup? Ha ha ha. Only in your dreams taffy...
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13/12/2020 19:13:42 3 3
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Wales are the no 1 ranked side in the world and rightly so . I can’t see anyone beating Wales
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13/12/2020 19:16:57 0 0
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love the humour
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13/12/2020 19:25:11 0 0
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The strongest northern hemisphere side are Wales - they are odds on favourites for a grand slam early next year ......
I was about to post where is hahawales, the one person with the largest affliction of wales living in his mind rent free.....and hurrah up it pops again, timeless free comedy value. You need quack boy quick Removed
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13/12/2020 18:29:50 7 1
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I know. It's like when we somehow ended up 1 in the rankings, the annoyance it caused some was most entertaining.
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13/12/2020 19:19:13 0 2
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The only time Wales fans accepted the world rankings was when they were Number 1. They dismissed them almost immediately when they slipped down the rankings.
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13/12/2020 19:27:45 2 0
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I think many of us thought it was a freak of the ranking system but who are we to argue?
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13/12/2020 18:47:21 1 1
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Having watched Glasgow today that may not end as well as you think.
6N will give us a better idea
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13/12/2020 19:20:26 0 2
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Exeter would beat most teams: including Wales.
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13/12/2020 20:35:44 2 0
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Be quiet pleaae