Coronavirus R number increases as cases rise
25/09/2020 | news | other | 2,286
Every case is estimated to result in between 1.2 and 1.5 further infections, government estimates find.
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Another HYS, another chance for our brave front line warriors in 77 Brigade to earn a few more medals... cue comments
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25/09/2020 14:03:26 4 6
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It's the same people saying Corona Virus is a risk and we should wear masks as this telling us Brexit is "moronic suicide" and that the Earth is round. WAKE UP SHEEPLE! Luckily I read something on my uncle Gary's Facebook feed that told me the truth and I was able to use my own amazing cognitive ability to really understand what's going on. It's the University of Life taught me all I know.
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120. Posted byLord Hillon Just now It's the same people saying Corona Virus is a risk and we should wear masks as this telling us Brexit is "moronic suicide" and that the Earth is round. WAKE UP SHEEPLE! ------------ I was with you until the flat-earther stuff came out. You is coo-coo crazy dude.
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When France/ Spain / Germany.....UK / USA are struggling to battle the second wave after months to have lost the war in the first wave, here in China up to nearly half % of its population are preparing for travels across the country for the 8-day national holiday (this year people are discouraged to travel aboard)
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25/09/2020 13:58:50 4 0
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34 Entropic Man. I understood the infection cycle time for Covid to be 5 days - that’s the number that was used by Witty etc. explaining R a while ago. So if cases double every 10 days, then R would actually be r2 or 1.41.
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98 WarwickGatesWhiteon "So if cases double every 10 days, then R would actually be r2 or 1.41." The epidemiology formula for R from growth rate is R = 1+ growth rate* generation time. We agree on 5 days for the generation time, but you are using a growth rate about half mine. How do you suggest I calculate growth rate from the available data?
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25/09/2020 14:12:51 6 0
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Remember "flattening the curve" ? That was and is all about spreading the number of deaths over a longer period but NOT reducing the number overall. The same number will die (though some will be saved by better therapeutics) but not in a short space of time. Lockdowns are to slow the deaths and stop swamping the NHS. No-one in Govt wants bodies in corridors or containers like in the States.
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25/09/2020 14:17:13 3 2
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174 BlackPud - I don’t disagree - that is the only effective purpose of a lockdown but the question is - is it too high a price to pay and ultimately without a cure we cannot continue to do that
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25/09/2020 13:45:43 550 106
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Lord Sumption’s analysis of this is plainly correct. You can only stop this virus spreading with a full lockdown until a vaccine is found. Such a lockdown is plainly impossible, and a grossly disproportionate interference with our civil liberties. Thus, we should accept reality, take sensible precautions and get on with our lives.
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25/09/2020 14:17:23 12 5
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@15 Easier said than done. Trying to ask under 30s to take precautions is like asking the government to cut our taxes by 50%. Not going to happen.
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It would be good to get a vaccine. But that's not going to wipe out Covid. We have ANNUAL flu jabs for a reason (also a Corona-virus). Virus development needs 2 things - Efficacy and Safety - and is a trade-off. No point in a vaccine that kills 100% virus (efficacy) but also 10% of those injected (Safety). More like 80% with 0.001% deaths or better. 4-8 years to develop on average.
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207. Posted byBlackPudon Just now It would be good to get a vaccine. But that's not going to wipe out Covid. We have ANNUAL flu jabs for a reason (also a Corona-virus). === Flu IS NOT a corona virus, it is an influenza virus
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25/09/2020 14:18:14 12 13
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Does make you have to wonder, the more situations Masks are made mandatory the worse the situation seems to become. While not the cause in itself it does seem to show that they make little , if no , difference.
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25/09/2020 14:27:19 9 12
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208 - on masks - I have said many times in here that they are potentially more detrimental than not - they do not protect the wearer to any significant degree but they do discourage social distancing and vastly increase face touching - you can stand in a bucket of Covid and you won’t get it but you will if you touch you nose and mouth - Sweden is doing well partly because they don’t have them
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25/09/2020 14:18:14 2 5
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How about a rethink? Rather than scrabbling to save doomed and inessential (as in, not key worker) jobs, make life easier for all and drop those jobs. Retrain everyone in key work positions, then job share, so that everyone works less, a shift system to reduce travel, full nationalisation of all businesses to prevent redundancies, and free but rationed supply of essentials. Full on Marxism.
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Oh so bloody what. On a day that a poor police officer lost his life doing his duty, can we cancel all HYS today? Plus wouldn't mind a minute's silence at footy this weekend as opposed to taking the bloody knee (again). Removed
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25/09/2020 14:18:24 13 18
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Masks aren't effective. Placebo at best. In France and Spain the mask rules are strict. In Sweden they aren't and guess which country's infection rates are down. If the infection rates were down here you can guarantee they would be saying it was largely due to the mask wearing. There is no evidence they are effective. WHO pressured to change their stance Now let us breathe!
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25/09/2020 14:18:44 7 4
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Rrrrrrr.. I'm of to the Castle to test me eyes....
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25/09/2020 13:46:33 210 46
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Oh for goodness sakes. The only testing that was done at the height of this pandemic was hospital patients with a cough. No 17 to 24 year old was tested so you will never know if it is spreading in that age group or not. It has probably always been there, like the infection rate in March was probably ten times what they thought. Are they in hospital though?
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21. Oh for goodness sakes. The only testing that was done at the height of this pandemic was hospital patients with a cough. --- It was worse. I had bad cough, temp, was struggling to breathe, resting heart rate of 120. Walked to nearby A&E (so I didn't infect ambulance crew), had to stop for breath 3 times in 15 mins. I'm 26 and reasonably fit. Checked my SATS, sent me home. No test.
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25/09/2020 14:18:54 11 0
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Too many people heard that alcohol kills the virus.
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You do know that herd immunity is a real, scientific way in that many viruses of the last century or so have effectively protected the masses? You have an unusual choice: A rushed vaccine that might not be 100% effective or safe and many will be reluctant to take. Some natural protection given by having what for most, will be very mild or zero symptoms. Do you trust man....or....nature?
The Uks chief scientific advisor has £600 thousand of shares in the company that has been awarded the contract to develop a vaccine. Now. Use that piece of fact as your starting block when trying to decide whether we are in the midst of a catastrophe or a complete and utter con of biblical proportions! https://www.rt.com/uk/501577-uk-scientific-advisor-vaccine-maker-shares/ Removed
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25/09/2020 14:19:04 14 4
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191. The UK is Bust The Uks chief scientific advisor has £600 thousand of shares in the company that has been awarded the contract to develop a vaccine. --- And also owns no shares in the *other* companies also creating the vaccines. He has those shares as a result of working there. Would you rather the chief advisor had no experience in the field and thus no shares?
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25/09/2020 14:19:04 11 9
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R rate is meaningless without a death rate. Whilst the death rate is meaningless unless you give age, health and pre existing conditions. Flu deaths are bound to be conflated as covid deaths.
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25/09/2020 14:16:33 9 7
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The numbers tell me that too many people fail to understand the seriousness of this disease. Instead, they give the impression of seeing it as something the nasty government has imposed on them! Unfortunately, Boris hasn't the Churchillian presence to convince them otherwise. If he had, we'd be fighting it (on the beaches and elsewhere) as hard as it needs to be!
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25/09/2020 14:19:24 11 6
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@200 The numbers tell me that too many people fail to understand the seriousness of this disease. Instead, they give the impression of seeing it as something the nasty government has imposed on them _ Aye, the same crowd who would blame the EU But hey voted for brexit Hopefully this will at least mean they don't vote Tory again
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25/09/2020 14:22:06 7 2
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@218 Greasy Pole Dancer You give the phrase covidiot a whole new dimension I cant even comprehend how daft you are
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25/09/2020 14:12:51 10 2
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The last time the 7 day average for new cases was this high was back in mid April at just under 5000. The average 7 day deaths back then was 943. The average 7 day deaths now is 27. This is due to all the efforts made by everyone. Lets keep it up!
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25/09/2020 14:19:55 6 2
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173 how can we compare April and now when only the very sick were being tested in April?
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219 Posted byClare 173 how can we compare April and now when only the very sick were being tested in April? Thats my point. We are in a significantly better place now than we were then. Thought that was obvious.
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25/09/2020 14:13:11 17 3
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To those of you who think that this is ridiculous, we are picking up more cases, now, because of testing, that's not to say that we didn't have just as many community cases, last time. We went into "lockdown" with only 67 daily deaths and we saw what followed. You need to get sick enough to die and that takes time. Many of those who are not particularly sick have been left with bad health issues.
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@177. I thought that. More cases found because of more testing. In their briefing, Chief Lizard and Wotsit McWotsitface said it was not due to testing more. So it could be like some viruses, the virus lives in you for months. We don't know how many people tested positive, then negative, then positive again. If it lives for months, then trying testing is fruitless. Just lessen the effect.
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25/09/2020 14:20:15 1 3
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Now the imaginary Santa should buy presents with the imaginary money for his imaginary friends.
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Does a positive result equal the person being infectious? Are the samples being cultured to find out ?
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It would be good to get a vaccine. But that's not going to wipe out Covid. We have ANNUAL flu jabs for a reason (also a Corona-virus). Virus development needs 2 things - Efficacy and Safety - and is a trade-off. No point in a vaccine that kills 100% virus (efficacy) but also 10% of those injected (Safety). More like 80% with 0.001% deaths or better. 4-8 years to develop on average.
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207. Posted byBlackPudon Just now It would be good to get a vaccine. But that's not going to wipe out Covid. We have ANNUAL flu jabs for a reason (also a Corona-virus). === Flu IS NOT a corona virus, it is an influenza virus
223...............Flu,influenza IS a Coronavirus. Removed
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137. Posted byDavid Icke for prime ministeron Just now Why if the infections are increasing so rapidly and the main symptom is coughing then why is nobody coughing? On TV, on train, in supermarkets nobody is coughing. Something does not add up! Please explain somebody? Answer - Because if you start coughing you stay home - simple enough
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151. Posted bywellineveron Why if the infections are increasing so rapidly and the main symptom is coughing then why is nobody coughing? - Answer - Because if you start coughing you stay home - simple enough - Good try. Lots of people not not being tested so you would expect to to hear the odd cough or two. I have considered asymptomatic cases?
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The virus is going to cause a global recession, how many will that kill indirectly? How many lives will loss of livelihoods cause? We should lift all restrictions so that those that aren't vulnerable can live their lives in a normal way. Vulnerable folk can isolate/care for themselves as they see fit (with support from govt etc). We aren't going to get rid of this virus, we need to live with it
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25/09/2020 14:20:55 11 0
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Toilet Roll rush already started sheds being filled.. Limits being set on certain items
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25/09/2020 14:21:05 8 4
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Common sense is being used as a whipping tool by those too lazy to form an argument and the government of a way of blaming the electorate. In March, we pressed pause. That's all. We haven't "defeated" covid. We haven't prevented anything. We paused then without a vaccine available opened up. Lockdowns only work if there're total and policed or if there's a vaccine at the end. Open up, today.
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How many vaccines against other corona viruses have been successful in past 20 years ?
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Re 199 PaulH: against what particular coronavirus has there been a serious attempt to create a vaccine apart from SARS-Cov-2 (Covid-19)?
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25/09/2020 14:21:26 10 7
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Of course we're doing terrible with Covid, what do you expect when the blonde buffon who is our PM went round shaking hands with Covid patients and then was suddenly surprised that he ended up catching it and this moron is leading our policy to minimise the spread. You couldn't make up such an unbelievable farce. But don't worry his 'oven ready' Brexit is still in the abattoir.
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Lots of comments here about “ fighting the virus” - only science by way of a vaccine or similar can come close to suppressing it virtually to the point of death - it will never go completely- so you can’t fight it - only delay it and if you don’t have an end game like a vaccine what is the purpose of that delay ?
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Week 27 since the lockdown BLAME BORIS With sensible planning and precaution this second spike could have been avoided its just been mistake after mistake after mistake Boris makes all the decisions = All the blame lies with Boris
231. Posted bySmithy4Uon Just now Week 27 since the lockdown BLAME BORIS So..... Boris is to blame for cases in France, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Belgium and yes, even Germany. Only a pathetic remoaning Momentum Mirror numpty could ever blame one man on a worldwide pandemic. Grow up and understand that NO ONE in Europe or the USA are to blame for this. Removed
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231 - You cant blame Boris, he didn't manufacturer the virus, its China you should blame because that is where it came from.
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How many vaccines against other corona viruses have been successful in past 20 years ?
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199 PaulH "How many vaccines against other corona viruses have been successful in past 20 years ? " Two commercial coronavirus vaccines are in use for cats and dogs and there is a widely used vaccine for chickens. A SARS vaccine was developed, but SARS was contained before it could be tested.
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232. Posted byEntropic manon Two commercial coronavirus vaccines are in use for cats and dogs and there is a widely used vaccine for chickens. === I was going to specify "human" but thought nobody would be stupid enough to .... oh.
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25/09/2020 14:13:11 23 6
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Unis and colleges, with the exception of medical courses, should not have re-opened. Most of the courses are being done virtually so what was the point in having mass student migration. This academic year will be an expensive waste of money. I feel sorry for them. They just want an education. An education many of the blaming commenters got for free.
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25/09/2020 14:21:56 10 7
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178. Posted by Leggy Peggy on 1 minute ago Unis and colleges... courses are being done virtually so what was the point in having mass student migration. -------- Can't do that - the unis would lose all the income from renting the accomodation... The Unis have been letting the country down for years, they're more money than education orientated. They want the money not the students.
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25/09/2020 14:22:06 9 3
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For those saying its false positives - it isn't. If you take off the estimated 1% false positives and adjust those testing positive and adjust again for increased testing you still get a 4x increase in positive tests between early Aug and last week.
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@200 The numbers tell me that too many people fail to understand the seriousness of this disease. Instead, they give the impression of seeing it as something the nasty government has imposed on them _ Aye, the same crowd who would blame the EU But hey voted for brexit Hopefully this will at least mean they don't vote Tory again
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@218 Greasy Pole Dancer You give the phrase covidiot a whole new dimension I cant even comprehend how daft you are
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Has anybody considered what will happen if we NEVER get vaccine?
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207. Posted byBlackPudon Just now It would be good to get a vaccine. But that's not going to wipe out Covid. We have ANNUAL flu jabs for a reason (also a Corona-virus). === Flu IS NOT a corona virus, it is an influenza virus
223...............Flu,influenza IS a Coronavirus. Removed
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Re 237 Gismo: stop repeating errors! Flu is not a coronavirus!
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25/09/2020 14:26:18 10 0
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237 - No, 223 was right. Influenza is an influenza virus, not a coronavirus. The common cold is generally caused by a coronavirus, just a much milder one than Covid19.
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237 Gizmo "223...............Flu,influenza IS a Coronavirus. " No, it is not. Biologists classify Influenza viruses and coronaviruses as belonging to different families. They are as closely related as yourself and a baboon.
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25/09/2020 14:22:36 6 4
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The UK government must continue digging itself deeper into a hole of its own making because political pride brooks no apology with subsequent change of course to the Swedish plan: that directed from beginning by a competent epidemiological. Instead, nonsense continues and we seem committed to the madcap "Operation Moonshot". Quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat
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25/09/2020 14:22:56 20 8
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Can everyone stop blaming the young please. A lot of this age bracket use public transport, work in frontline and customer facing roles and thus have an increased risk.
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25/09/2020 14:15:53 12 0
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Looks very much like a national lockdown is coming soon. Won’t be much of a Christmas!
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25/09/2020 14:23:06 15 16
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196.Tio Terry Looks very much like a national lockdown is coming soon. =With over 6000 cases per day and up 60% per week, the country should have been lockdown already, but, again bojo is hiding not to know what to do
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25/09/2020 14:23:47 12 8
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They should change it to the "I" rate. The idiot rate is increasing. 1 idiot can spread it to 1.5 idiots.
"Coronavirus cases in England up 60% in a week" We urgently need to stop testing people to avoid any lockdowns. Please make sure you don't take any tests. Average age of Covid19 death is 83 years old so testing is not required for most people. Removed
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25/09/2020 14:23:47 6 1
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@181. Neo More bashers who don't know the facts. This data is not from people booking tests because they think they have it but instead widespread community testing where people are asked - symptoms or not - to take a test to understand the undetected spread. Telling people not to get tested won't stop this data.
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25/09/2020 14:23:57 12 19
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We went into lockdown too late and came out far too early. We should still be in lockdown now and it should stay in place well into 2021 or until a vaccine is developed however long it take. Lives must come before the economy, do people want to be unemployed or dead.
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25/09/2020 14:27:49 2 17
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@243 …We should still be in lockdown now and it should stay in place well into 2021 or until a vaccine is developed however long it take. Lives must come before the economy _ The same principle should be applied to human challenge trials Wouldn't want to be in their shoes if the vaccine doesn't work dwhen they've killed/disabled a few volunteers by deliberate covid infection
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25/09/2020 14:11:50 10 3
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Doing my weekly food shop yesterday there were 10 customers and several staff without masks on. It's times like this that show why laws and regulation are always required and you can't rely on people to do the right thing as regardless of what they're told people will still behave like thick idiots.
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25/09/2020 14:24:37 3 7
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165 - concentrate on your shopping stop spending time watching others. The ten plus may have valid reasons for not wearing a mask. Shop quickly move on. There will never be 100% compliance. I am in the age vulnerable group but accept that my well-being is not necessarily high on others agenda.
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25/09/2020 14:24:57 3 5
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Boris is well on top of this.
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25/09/2020 14:25:08 11 3
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Well what do you expect when 50% of people don't wear a mask or half wear a mask with their nose hanging above, when pubs are open allowing intoxicated fools to ignore safety measures, when supermarket staff flout the rules with their masks protecting their precious chins... I can go on, but I'm no expert on this, maybe Bori's conflicting advisors can shed some light.
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246. Posted by Waz ‘half wear a mask with their nose hanging above, Good point: I am struggling to read my shopping list as my glasses fog up when I wear my face mask ... hence I have to pull the mask below my nose once in a while.
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How many vaccines against other corona viruses have been successful in past 20 years ?
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25/09/2020 14:25:28 5 0
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199PaulH How many vaccines against other corona viruses have been successful in past 20 years ? ****** That is a question without context. This situation is unprecedented. There is collaborative international working internationally across scientific and private sectors too. There is also effectively unlimited funds available too. There is significant rapid progress being made.
247. Cam "How many vaccines against other corona viruses have been successful in past 20 years ?" Or a better question is what is the cost benefit analysis? Chances of dying from vaccine vs chances of dying from Covid19 If you're under 80 years old I would say vaccine is probably a bigger risk. Removed
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199 PaulH "How many vaccines against other corona viruses have been successful in past 20 years ? " Two commercial coronavirus vaccines are in use for cats and dogs and there is a widely used vaccine for chickens. A SARS vaccine was developed, but SARS was contained before it could be tested.
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232. Posted byEntropic manon Two commercial coronavirus vaccines are in use for cats and dogs and there is a widely used vaccine for chickens. === I was going to specify "human" but thought nobody would be stupid enough to .... oh.
223...............Flu,influenza IS a Coronavirus. Removed
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Re 237 Gismo: stop repeating errors! Flu is not a coronavirus!
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until the united kingdom get its act together and we all follow the SAME rules! not one rule for England one for Scotland etc Then we will be playing the Covid game for years and losing our economy.
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I'll never understand why some of these comments get marked down. I guess this one will now.
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Africa countries have virtually combatted this virus by 1. not locking down, 2. not wearing masks, 3. no track and trace, 4. no 2 meter rule. Miles and miles of shanty towns and the Virus has been virtually eradicated. We have taken wrong approach which is becoming clear to see.
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173 how can we compare April and now when only the very sick were being tested in April?
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219 Posted byClare 173 how can we compare April and now when only the very sick were being tested in April? Thats my point. We are in a significantly better place now than we were then. Thought that was obvious.
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Week 27 since the lockdown BLAME BORIS With sensible planning and precaution this second spike could have been avoided its just been mistake after mistake after mistake Boris makes all the decisions = All the blame lies with Boris
231. Posted bySmithy4Uon Just now Week 27 since the lockdown BLAME BORIS So..... Boris is to blame for cases in France, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Belgium and yes, even Germany. Only a pathetic remoaning Momentum Mirror numpty could ever blame one man on a worldwide pandemic. Grow up and understand that NO ONE in Europe or the USA are to blame for this. Removed
223...............Flu,influenza IS a Coronavirus. Removed
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237 - No, 223 was right. Influenza is an influenza virus, not a coronavirus. The common cold is generally caused by a coronavirus, just a much milder one than Covid19.
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@255 237 - No, 223 was right. Influenza is an influenza virus, not a coronavirus. The common cold is generally caused by a coronavirus, just a much milder one than Covid19 _ One for which immunity doesn't last, as it won't for cv19 Which will return vaccine or no vaccine And kill those it previously disabled
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25/09/2020 15:21:47 3 8
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255 - pubs and restaurants are not the most risky places - your own home and the people you share it with are - remember you have to be in close contact with an individual for 15 mins - why do people wear masks in the street - can someone explain because I genuinely have no idea
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255 - pubs and restaurants are not the most risky places - That's a rather sweeping statement. If you go to the pub in the sticks and follow the rules it is probably as safe as anywhere. However if you go to a city centre pub full of drunken students who insist on shouting hugging and rubbing up against each other, it is probably one of the most dangerous.
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25/09/2020 14:26:28 6 5
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Can someone direct me where to get a small loan of 1.2Trillions? I have bad credit, millions depend on me for handouts, my output is not great, but I promise I will keep some of my obligations.
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25/09/2020 14:26:48 32 13
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Matt Hancock telling teens not to kill their grannies?? How many grannies has he killed with his don’t test for coronavirus when discharged from hospital into a care home policy
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Week 27 since the lockdown Only tory lemmings think this government is anything other than awful
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@258 Smithy4U "Week 27 since the lockdown Only tory lemmings think this government is anything other than awful." ~~~ Vacuous political points scoring. How many would have died under a Labour government ? +/- 10% Not sure but I do know that nearly 4,000,000 more voters voted for the Cons last December. Yours sincerely A Lemming
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Does make you have to wonder, the more situations Masks are made mandatory the worse the situation seems to become. While not the cause in itself it does seem to show that they make little , if no , difference.
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25/09/2020 14:27:19 9 12
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208 - on masks - I have said many times in here that they are potentially more detrimental than not - they do not protect the wearer to any significant degree but they do discourage social distancing and vastly increase face touching - you can stand in a bucket of Covid and you won’t get it but you will if you touch you nose and mouth - Sweden is doing well partly because they don’t have them
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@259. beagle59 "...Sweden is doing well..." Sweden has 10x the death rate of it's nearest neighbour Norway and 5x that of Denmark. So no Sweden is not 'doing well' and indeed it's own PM has confirmed that had he known at the start of this what he knows now he would have introduced a full lockdown then, just like Norway and Denmark. As per the rest of you remark you are entirely wrong.
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259. Posted bybeagle59on Just now Wear a mask, it prevents an infected wearer from coughing and sneezing many metres across a room. Grow up and wear one.
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25/09/2020 14:27:39 7 2
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More testing, more cases. Eat out to help out - spread the virus.
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We went into lockdown too late and came out far too early. We should still be in lockdown now and it should stay in place well into 2021 or until a vaccine is developed however long it take. Lives must come before the economy, do people want to be unemployed or dead.
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@243 …We should still be in lockdown now and it should stay in place well into 2021 or until a vaccine is developed however long it take. Lives must come before the economy _ The same principle should be applied to human challenge trials Wouldn't want to be in their shoes if the vaccine doesn't work dwhen they've killed/disabled a few volunteers by deliberate covid infection
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25/09/2020 14:16:03 11 6
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@175. SouthEast8 Wrong. The first wave you can cite some decisions that with hindsight were bad, but not out of line with many others. You can argue that's not acceptable if you'd like. But you cannot blame the second wave on that. The public are fully understanding of what the virus is, what it does and how it spreads. But they choose to ignore the rules.
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197. Bob ~ The Public did not place contracts with Serco Track and Trace. The Public did not award meaningless PPE contracts with party donors The Public did not appoint Dido Harding or cause the exam fiasco The Public did not U turn over return to work The Public wanted cummings sacked over Barnard Castle. The Public ignore Johnson because of his cronyism and bad leadership.
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To all those marking me down,(237),have you isolated this virus or the Genetic code?(which the majority of us have).Does the test find soley Covid 19?
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25/09/2020 14:27:59 13 10
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It was flagged when the gov decided to reopen pubs (response to pressure from Tory donors in the sector not the science) that this would cause the resurgence of the disease. Tory apologists ignored this and rubbished that point. Likewise when it was pointed out that schools and colleges could not safely reopen without acting as another vector. This gov has been incompetent at every step.
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25/09/2020 14:28:19 10 19
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Apologies all, I'm unable to read your posts just yet. I'm now popping out for a drive with the kids to test my eyesight.
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25/09/2020 14:29:00 10 4
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Corona virus is more transmissible than flu. The non pharmaceutical interventions - masks, social distancing, partial lock downs will only slow the progress. It was always going to escalate come Winter, this is when corona virus's proliferate. My main concern is that they seem to be planning for a very considerable situation. I would take this deadly serious, and hope for the best.
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25/09/2020 14:29:20 2 5
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STI,s have rocketed in lockdown
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In all fairness we gave it a good go trying to stop this. We effectively reversed a contagion but at a massive and unsustainable cost, emotionally, mentally and financially We failed to eradicate it so all we can do now is shield the vulnerable and let nature take its course.
223...............Flu,influenza IS a Coronavirus. Removed
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237 Gizmo "223...............Flu,influenza IS a Coronavirus. " No, it is not. Biologists classify Influenza viruses and coronaviruses as belonging to different families. They are as closely related as yourself and a baboon.
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269............See my post(237).So if scientists say so,that is the undeniable truth then?they know as much as us.
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25/09/2020 14:29:50 12 10
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Yup yup. Follow the rules etc. But I have stopped listening to the tories. And no one cares about the R rate. Not anymore. I no longer trust them. And I feel the atmosphere in this country has become toxic. I can't but liken it to some communist police state. There's no democracy here.
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@270 Peter Can you see a pattern here? People stop listening, infections rise, more restrictions are necessary. The way to break this chain is to pay attention to simple measures such as social distancing and isolating if positive or have symptoms. No point blaming governments if you won't take simple steps to keep yourself safe.
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'265. OCat Apologies all, I'm unable to read your posts just yet. I'm now popping out for a drive with the kids to test my eyesight.' Pop out with your wife and get a cake and see a relation on the way and if you have time pop along to a few funerals
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25/09/2020 14:30:17 5 10
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People can't behave and continue to spread the virus and yet you blame the PM and Government. Are you really that thick? sitting at your keyboard with all the answers? that's an awful waste of talent, shame all you are good for is complaining.
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Who would have thought this would happen, Only the half WITS - Bojo , Dom and the YES MEN in government didn't see this coming. No one in the country is listening anymore
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147. mike "Who would have thought this would happen, Only the half WITS - Bojo , Dom and the YES MEN in government didn't see this coming. No one in the country is listening anymore" And therein lies the problem. The scientists and government are telling us how to stay safe but no-one is listening because everyone thinks they know better. Social distancing is the key to this.
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25/09/2020 14:21:35 14 24
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Week 27 since the lockdown BLAME BORIS With sensible planning and precaution this second spike could have been avoided its just been mistake after mistake after mistake Boris makes all the decisions = All the blame lies with Boris
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231 - You cant blame Boris, he didn't manufacturer the virus, its China you should blame because that is where it came from.
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274. Posted by Naomi ‘You cant blame Boris, he didn't manufacturer the virus, its China you should blame because that is where it came from‘ I am not blaming Boris for CV-19. But I do hold him accountable for the government response to the CV-19 crisis.
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@274. Naomi "You cant blame Boris..." Oh yes you can, and indeed should. Boris had ample warning this was coming, it was burning through Italy for 2 weeks before it really flared here, and we saw the impact in China before that. Boris actively ignored it, failed to act, and before that the Tories had ignored cygnus and spent 10 years running the NHS down.
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@274 Naomi 231 - You cant blame Boris, he didn't manufacturer the virus, its China you should blame == A) China didn't "manufacture" the virus, either B) People aren't blaming "Boris" for it, they are blaming him for incompetence, not taking it seriously early enough, appointing an incompetent to lead test and trace (Dido Harding) - and other abject failures of governance
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25/09/2020 14:30:30 8 13
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I know how to stop the infection rate from increasing, stop doing mass testing! You don't have to be an eminent epidemiologist to know that the more you test the more positive results you'll record. Doesn't mean the virus is spreading more!
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275 Chris Sowerby "You don't have to be an epidemiologist to know that the more you test the more positive results you'll record. " If infection rate remains constant, +vs positive tests increases in line with the number of tests. Increasing infection rate increases % positive tests. % +ve tests has increased from 1.5% to 7% in recent weeks, much more than the increase in tests.
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25/09/2020 14:46:49 10 7
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@275 "I know how to stop the infection rate from increasing, stop doing mass testing!" --- Brilliant. No testing = no positive results. No positive results = no virus. The logic of the thick.
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"275 Chris Sowerby "You don't have to be an epidemiologist to know that the more you test the more positive results you'll record. "" Is school something other people told you about? It's a percentage, not a total. I have some instructions for tying shoelaces and telling time on the big clock I can send you if you want to start with something hopefully not too challenging.
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275 Chris Sowerby "You don't have to be an epidemiologist to know that the more you test the more positive results you'll record. " ========== Too many.. People can't follow basic rules. People don't know what the symptoms are. People still don't understand what the R number is or means.... (above) We are soo £$&*ed.
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25/09/2020 14:27:19 9 12
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208 - on masks - I have said many times in here that they are potentially more detrimental than not - they do not protect the wearer to any significant degree but they do discourage social distancing and vastly increase face touching - you can stand in a bucket of Covid and you won’t get it but you will if you touch you nose and mouth - Sweden is doing well partly because they don’t have them
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25/09/2020 14:31:11 9 9
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@259. beagle59 "...Sweden is doing well..." Sweden has 10x the death rate of it's nearest neighbour Norway and 5x that of Denmark. So no Sweden is not 'doing well' and indeed it's own PM has confirmed that had he known at the start of this what he knows now he would have introduced a full lockdown then, just like Norway and Denmark. As per the rest of you remark you are entirely wrong.
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276 - Stuart - please check you “ facts” - Sweden massively fouled up care homes - like us - Denmark and Norway did not so that is the issue not the rest of their strategy - Norway has a tiny population density so absurd trying to compare
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25/09/2020 15:10:21 5 6
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@276 Sweden is doing well though they made the same mistake as the UK, New York, New Jersey & other places that sent old CV infected residents back into care homes where the infection spread like wildfire. More than 70% of Swedens deaths occurred in care homes. There death rate in the wider community is lower than in many countries with full lock down & masks Save lives - return to normal today
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25/09/2020 14:31:21 10 11
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You can't beat this thing, so stop trying to. Most people will be ok.
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Week 27 since the lockdown Only tory lemmings think this government is anything other than awful
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@258 Smithy4U "Week 27 since the lockdown Only tory lemmings think this government is anything other than awful." ~~~ Vacuous political points scoring. How many would have died under a Labour government ? +/- 10% Not sure but I do know that nearly 4,000,000 more voters voted for the Cons last December. Yours sincerely A Lemming
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25/09/2020 14:31:51 14 5
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I’m sorry for those that have lost loved ones, I really am, but this hysteria has to stop. If at risk then stay away from people, if not at risk take reasonable precautions to not give it to people that are. That’s all that was ever needed.
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279. Posted byDreadlock Holiday I agree this is hysteria but it's there because some of great British public seems to have been incapable of being sensible, and it doesn't take many to have caused this again.
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Still a tiny percentages when you look at our population. History will view this as a massive over reaction where the perceived cure did more damage than the disease.
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@124. Posted byTrust no oneon 25 minutes ago Still a tiny percentages when you look at our population. History will view this as a massive over reaction where the perceived cure did more damage than the disease. -- The questions we should be asking are Why the cost of the cure to the UK is massively more to the UK than any other developed nation? And Why we had so many more deaths?
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25/09/2020 14:25:08 11 3
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Well what do you expect when 50% of people don't wear a mask or half wear a mask with their nose hanging above, when pubs are open allowing intoxicated fools to ignore safety measures, when supermarket staff flout the rules with their masks protecting their precious chins... I can go on, but I'm no expert on this, maybe Bori's conflicting advisors can shed some light.
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25/09/2020 14:32:01 9 8
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246. Posted by Waz ‘half wear a mask with their nose hanging above, Good point: I am struggling to read my shopping list as my glasses fog up when I wear my face mask ... hence I have to pull the mask below my nose once in a while.
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@281 Basil Brush "Good point: I am struggling to read my shopping list as my glasses fog up when I wear my face mask ... hence I have to pull the mask below my nose once in a while. " ~~~ Same but don't let those sad people who've taken it upon themselves to become the 'Covid Police' catch you. Bunch of bloody curtain twitchers.
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25/09/2020 14:32:01 12 11
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It's the D rate that matters. Average age of a Covid Victim is.............................81. 81. The economy is closing down, because very old/ill people are dying WITH Covid. A price worth paying ? Heartless, it may sound, but not in my book. 43,000 die.....68 million suffer.
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25/09/2020 14:32:11 8 6
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It's time to accept the fact that virus infection rates ARE going to rise and people ARE going to die. The economic implications of more lockdowns are too devastating to contemplate. Sad as it is, we cannot prioritise the lives of a few over the long-term devastation that would be inflicted on the country if we cripple the economy. It's horrible, but it's the stark reality.
I wonder who will be first to have the balls to close university's and secondary schools ? I'm not blaming them, young do what young do, we have all done it Bojo has no balls, so my money is on NS being first Removed
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Lord Sumption’s analysis of this is plainly correct. You can only stop this virus spreading with a full lockdown until a vaccine is found. Such a lockdown is plainly impossible, and a grossly disproportionate interference with our civil liberties. Thus, we should accept reality, take sensible precautions and get on with our lives.
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25/09/2020 14:32:42 8 2
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15. Posted by adraxis (currently top answer) The problem is not everyone is/have been taking sensible precautions so that the rest of "us" can get on with our lives It's been said before "If this virus only affected the 18-30 group there'd be plenty of snitching and social media negativity (with zero protests) towards those flouting existing guidelines....
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25/09/2020 14:25:28 5 0
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199PaulH How many vaccines against other corona viruses have been successful in past 20 years ? ****** That is a question without context. This situation is unprecedented. There is collaborative international working internationally across scientific and private sectors too. There is also effectively unlimited funds available too. There is significant rapid progress being made.
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247. Cam "How many vaccines against other corona viruses have been successful in past 20 years ?" Or a better question is what is the cost benefit analysis? Chances of dying from vaccine vs chances of dying from Covid19 If you're under 80 years old I would say vaccine is probably a bigger risk. Removed
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25/09/2020 14:32:52 7 0
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Two week circuit break over half term! Schools will be mostly closed, no school runs, two weeks self isolation for staff and children, stop holidays abroad during that period and shield the vulnerable! Oh and buy some loo paper - but leave some for others !!
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25/09/2020 14:33:02 5 14
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The Queen is so quiet that sometimes we forget she leads us. Say something reassuring please.
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25/09/2020 14:33:02 4 6
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The comment 259 - I see 2 have marked me down already - Why would you do that - all I am asking for is a thorough investigation into the merits and dangers of masks in the huge range of public settings we now have - why is that a cause for concern - if they don’t work or are making the situation worse then let’s find out - if not then you get better buy in and compliance
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289 - still one mark down - must be a mask manufacturer ??
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237 Gizmo "223...............Flu,influenza IS a Coronavirus. " No, it is not. Biologists classify Influenza viruses and coronaviruses as belonging to different families. They are as closely related as yourself and a baboon.
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269............See my post(237).So if scientists say so,that is the undeniable truth then?they know as much as us.
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'75. Chris Sowerby I know how to stop the infection rate from increasing, stop doing mass testing! You don't have to be an eminent epidemiologist to know that the more you test the more positive results you'll record.' %age of positives tests have gone from approx 1.5% of tests to approx 2.8%
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25/09/2020 14:31:51 14 5
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I’m sorry for those that have lost loved ones, I really am, but this hysteria has to stop. If at risk then stay away from people, if not at risk take reasonable precautions to not give it to people that are. That’s all that was ever needed.
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279. Posted byDreadlock Holiday I agree this is hysteria but it's there because some of great British public seems to have been incapable of being sensible, and it doesn't take many to have caused this again.
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25/09/2020 14:34:02 10 3
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Cases have risen steeply in children and young adults since they returned to education. The test and trace system can’t keep up. Distance learning and working from home where possible, would increase social distancing for those who can’t and reduce infection rates. Work/study from home, protect the nhs!
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25/09/2020 14:34:02 10 8
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Not gonna be all over by xmas now then Boris ? When's the next forecast going to be Mind you if you believe in Boris you might as well believe in fairies
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25/09/2020 14:34:13 5 4
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Survey estimates. So it is not a FACT. There lies the problem no one knows it is guess work. Rules changing, people don't understand them.
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Ffs let’s just get on with it seems nothing is going to stop it ,lockdown 1 just took the foot of the gas , let’s go full speed and get this over Removed
Why are Africa's coronavirus numbers so surprisingly low? I believe it is because they never locked down and built up immunity. The opposite of everything we have done. Locking ourselves up in broom cupboards is not the answer, either is injecting a vaccine in to our bodies full of who knows what. Removed
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@297. David Icke for prime minister "Why are Africa's coronavirus numbers so surprisingly low?" They lack the resources to test so don't know how many have it. They have a young population, so most get a mild version. The majority of people who get a severe case have not got the resources to pay doctors so simply go home and die unrecorded. But that doesn't fit what you want to hear...
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@297 Locking ourselves up in broom cupboards is not the answer, either is injecting a vaccine in to our bodies full of who knows what _ They know exactly what And they know it's safe to take, it has passed phase 2 trials They don't know if it gives any protection Which is why it is unethical to skip phase 3 trials and do 'human challenge's on deliberately infected volunteers
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237 - No, 223 was right. Influenza is an influenza virus, not a coronavirus. The common cold is generally caused by a coronavirus, just a much milder one than Covid19.
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@255 237 - No, 223 was right. Influenza is an influenza virus, not a coronavirus. The common cold is generally caused by a coronavirus, just a much milder one than Covid19 _ One for which immunity doesn't last, as it won't for cv19 Which will return vaccine or no vaccine And kill those it previously disabled
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25/09/2020 14:34:43 15 6
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Children maybe in class bubbles in school but at my local comprehensive they all go to the chicken shop around the corner at lunch time, 100s of them, all without masks. Thinking about letting the Police or school know...Should I?
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@299 LD Rob "Children maybe in class bubbles in school but at my local comprehensive they all go to the chicken shop around the corner at lunch time, 100s of them, all without masks. Thinking about letting the Police or school know...Should I ? " ~~~ I think the expression "get a life" was invented just for you Rob.
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231 - You cant blame Boris, he didn't manufacturer the virus, its China you should blame because that is where it came from.
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274. Posted by Naomi ‘You cant blame Boris, he didn't manufacturer the virus, its China you should blame because that is where it came from‘ I am not blaming Boris for CV-19. But I do hold him accountable for the government response to the CV-19 crisis.
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25/09/2020 14:44:12 16 5
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@300 I agree Boris is responsible for the Govts reaction to the crisis. However he is not responsible for the significant minority of people who have flouted and continue to flout 3 simple rules- wash hands- cover face- 2m distance. Yes there are lots of other bits of advice, but if in doubt, hands/Face/2M it is that easy. Too many asking stupid questions rather than finding a way to comply