Coronavirus R number increases as cases rise
25/09/2020 | news | other | 2,286
Every case is estimated to result in between 1.2 and 1.5 further infections, government estimates find.
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26/09/2020 10:15:31 6 2
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Spread the virus, do it for johnson. Cos it surely ain't for 'My country' - LOL ;)
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26/09/2020 10:15:31 11 4
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"You were warned to be careful who you voted for but for some reason were convinced they would not turn on you" to defend the clown and his thinker Johnson and Cummings can not act professionally as they have never seen it done before in their working careers they have only learnt trickery and manipulation
Pso
26/09/2020 09:34:00 3 9
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2088. Posted bySteveL Whatever the financial impact? Just daft not honourable. The elderly/vulnerable have already done one round with a bit of a break over summer. Better they do another than everyone going into strict lockdown. I worry much more about the economic and social impact of another national lockdown.
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26/09/2020 10:17:22 7 5
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@2093 “I worry much more about the economic and social impact of another national lockdown.” Don’t worry, the tories won’t lock down Trump would not like it, and they might run out of tax revenues to steal They will just let hundreds of thousands die Everyone knows it and no one seems to care That mystifies me to be honest It’s as if we’ve been drugged or hypnotised
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26/09/2020 10:18:25 3 2
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seeing only 28% of test are processed in 24 hours this will mean there is a huge back log of test building and building . it would also mean if we took the same % and applied it to the other 72% that have not yet been processed it would make the true new infection cases a day around 21'000 and not 6'800 as claimed no wonder the government has gone into panic mode
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26/09/2020 10:21:25 5 2
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Landlords, shareholders with large portfolios, ‘consultancy’....... And in between they do some of that MP stuff.....ask St Pius of Sunderland.....he pulls in 34k pcm for one of his ‘side jobs’....he’s a Brexit Peoples’ Champion you know...
50's back and complaining about about the usage of the word 'white' what colour is a racist race of humans in the members of human race from past experience Removed
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Lockdown? More like lockup. Much like a prison, the Tories again want to force people into their homes and have their pig enforcers arrest anyone who disobeys. Removed
26/09/2020 08:44:42 12 4
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So has everyone got enough toilet paper and pasta or are you still using your stock from last time? Tesco are back to the three of anything rule three bananas or three bags of bananas and Andrew Neil has said 'No' to the BBC........Yipeeeeeee!! New Freeview channel to host GBNews an unbiased news show that tells the news and not some big heads opinion.
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QED
26/09/2020 10:31:28 1 1
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2065 borisdidit. Sure an alternative to Fox News is just what this country needs, isn’t reading the mail good enough for you anymore? On the other hand if you want unbiased reporting which challenges your views rather than acting as an echo chamber stick with the bbc.
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26/09/2020 10:32:19 1 1
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This virus spreads thru people being in contact with people. If we were prepared for it we would have a plan that limits the contact we have with other people. We haven't seen any plan like that other than lockdown. We have wasted time on avoiding the real issue. FTT
26/09/2020 10:08:48 3 5
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(A) Jeremy Bentham philosophy - greatest good for greatest number (B) The long term good of our country requires our children educated and all those who can work to work (C) lockdown caused immense adverse impact on treatment of other health issues, mental health and domestic abuse (D) Current economics Best way is get back to normal with safety
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2098. Posted byVictoria Daveyon 14 minutes ago After reading your posts. The only fault I can find with 'us' elderly. Is aid and abetting bringing people like you into this world? Selfish to the back teeth. And if you think the old are the problem stopping you getting drunk past 10 o'clock. Well I can't finish it off because of the 'mods' Removed
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26/09/2020 10:36:21 4 4
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Estimates, probability. It didn’t work the first time round, they have learned nothing. If asymptomatic people can’t be found, you cannot trace the spread. We are now looking at a triple whammy; Economy is bust Second wave that will hit harder than the first Brexit I’d trade 12+months of my freedoms, for extra years and jobs for us all.Leave no man behind, now it’s not temporary, it’s life
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26/09/2020 10:37:41 2 3
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If your blaming you aren't addressing the problem we are all having right now. There will be a time to blame but just get there first. We need better testing that is available to everyone. We need to have access to it on a regular basis. Without that we don't have a way out of this. You cannot blame those who had no say in how this is handled. They have not had the clear instruction they need. FTT
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26/09/2020 10:38:42 0 1
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Previous PHE weekly surveillance 6 areas over 100/100K, yest had 21. Bolton at top down few %, now just under 200. Rest of top 20 were up. The top 10, 140+. The natl ave 24 (was much lower) so many must live in areas well below, but could still be up a bit. A mix of milder n/wide restrictions and SD/masks and targeted harsher local ones may be sensible, but NS et al taking a tougher line.
2114
26/09/2020 10:38:52 6 5
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"the Tories again want to force people into their homes and have their p*g enforcers arrest anyone who disobeys." during the last lockdown dirty babylon police in helicopters and using drones technologies were looking for youths searching for county lines runnings and hacking everyone's dog and bones (phones)
26/09/2020 10:53:09 4 2
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2114. Grass Roots of Dub "during the last lockdown dirty babylon police in helicopters and using drones technologies were looking for youths searching for county lines runnings and hacking everyone's dog and bones (phones)" What rubbish is this? If you are somehow trying to condone illegal activity of any kind (drugs etc.) then the vast majority of citizens are totally opposed to you.
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26/09/2020 10:51:08 0 3
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The R count This comment was removed because it broke the house rules x50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ9QIB3e2ow
26/09/2020 10:38:52 6 5
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"the Tories again want to force people into their homes and have their p*g enforcers arrest anyone who disobeys." during the last lockdown dirty babylon police in helicopters and using drones technologies were looking for youths searching for county lines runnings and hacking everyone's dog and bones (phones)
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26/09/2020 10:53:09 4 2
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2114. Grass Roots of Dub "during the last lockdown dirty babylon police in helicopters and using drones technologies were looking for youths searching for county lines runnings and hacking everyone's dog and bones (phones)" What rubbish is this? If you are somehow trying to condone illegal activity of any kind (drugs etc.) then the vast majority of citizens are totally opposed to you.
"If you are somehow trying to condone illegal activity of any kind" don't blame others for making comments next you will say it gets cops shot Removed
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2120
26/09/2020 10:58:11 3 2
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Quick government Lie-correction - Serco is a private company. It is not the NHS. Your 'pm' is an acknowledged Liar.
2121
26/09/2020 10:56:41 3 2
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we have already reached "herd immunity". doing exactly what the government says. very sad....
26/09/2020 11:17:00 3 1
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2121 Karl we have already reached "herd immunity". Not with antibodies only lasing four months, and that's if you've been on a ventilator ill with covid, we aint, unless T cells provide longer immunity. Can't see how herd immunity can be achieved with that unless everyone gets a vaccine so no one else is infected in 4 months but I fear it will take longer than that to distribute and apply
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26/09/2020 11:00:02 5 3
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well if we look at the new outbreaks in Spain France UK going up in the thousands .they all have the same thing in common governments filled with MPs who have never done days work in their lives .never worked in the private sector .much the same can be said world wide . one cloned politician after another .incapable of acting on free thought worthless the whole lot of them
2123
26/09/2020 11:01:22 2 4
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The BBC is reporting that a million people have downloaded the 'Covid-19 contact tracing app developed by the private money-grubbers at Serco. At the same time, we have learned that Rishi Sunak has handed over another £2 billion to Serco for its test-and-trace… work… bringing the total up to £12 billion. So, that’s a cost of £12,000 per user (so far).'
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26/09/2020 11:09:46 3 1
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How can we limit social contact? I know, let’s herd all the students into big groups with people they’ve never met before. If it all goes wrong, we can just lock them in their blocks for a fortnight. Surely they will be able to find some food. Anyway it’s probably all their fault anyway and I’m sure they’ll enjoy the university experience. This is worse than house arrest for 70 year olds.
2125
26/09/2020 11:10:27 2 0
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And these jokers brought you 'berxit' ??
26/09/2020 09:03:01 8 0
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Only a fool or a tory could profess to trust this conservative government.
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26/09/2020 11:12:08 1 0
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2074 limited tory Only a fool or a tory could profess to trust this conservative government. I think you'll find only a fool would profess to trust any government tory!
26/09/2020 10:56:41 3 2
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we have already reached "herd immunity". doing exactly what the government says. very sad....
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26/09/2020 11:17:00 3 1
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2121 Karl we have already reached "herd immunity". Not with antibodies only lasing four months, and that's if you've been on a ventilator ill with covid, we aint, unless T cells provide longer immunity. Can't see how herd immunity can be achieved with that unless everyone gets a vaccine so no one else is infected in 4 months but I fear it will take longer than that to distribute and apply
2128
26/09/2020 11:12:00 2 3
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many of our serving MPs only see the NHS as a pension plan for themselves and their family to milk dry at every opportunity as much as 10% of the NHS Budget goes out the back door to these MPs and their families . if we did not have a press as corrupt as our government working hand in hand . they would report the number of MPs and family members on the boards of suppliers to the NHS .
26/09/2020 11:21:02 4 0
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2128. Respect.... "many of our serving MPs only see the NHS as a pension plan for themselves & their family to milk dry at every opportunity as much as 10% of the NHS Budget goes out the back door to these MPs and their families . if we did not have a press as corrupt as our government working hand in hand ." When they do, the Tory bots scream "fake news" as the majority seem to be Tory MPs!
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26/09/2020 11:17:52 2 1
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Return to schools and universities whilst maintaining the notion of ‘bubbles of 6’ seems absurd.
26/09/2020 11:12:00 2 3
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many of our serving MPs only see the NHS as a pension plan for themselves and their family to milk dry at every opportunity as much as 10% of the NHS Budget goes out the back door to these MPs and their families . if we did not have a press as corrupt as our government working hand in hand . they would report the number of MPs and family members on the boards of suppliers to the NHS .
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26/09/2020 11:21:02 4 0
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2128. Respect.... "many of our serving MPs only see the NHS as a pension plan for themselves & their family to milk dry at every opportunity as much as 10% of the NHS Budget goes out the back door to these MPs and their families . if we did not have a press as corrupt as our government working hand in hand ." When they do, the Tory bots scream "fake news" as the majority seem to be Tory MPs!
2131
26/09/2020 11:23:02 4 5
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Incredible the number of people who appear to think they've scored some significant point by declaring the amazing discovery that the app was developed by a private company and that therefore the government is apparently lying by referring to it as "the NHS app". That's not a lie, that's what we on Earth call "how people talk". Or do you refer to going to do your shopping in Volkswagen's car?
26/09/2020 12:45:41 4 2
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@2131 ‘therefore the government is apparently lying by referring to it as "the NHS app". That's not a lie, that's what we on Earth call "how people talk".’ Disagree People say “NHS cleaners” for example knowing they are outsourced But the NHS has nothing whatever to do with this app They are labelling it NHS so they can count it as NHS spending then blame the NHS when it fails
"the government is apparently lying by referring to it as "the NHS app"." government technology to spy on all is already there in your gadgets the app is just a skin and also grants legal permission for them to spy in you which they already do illegally Uk spies lied just because Johnson gave them orders to lie because Trump gave him the order to show extreme prejudice to Chinese men+women Removed
26/09/2020 11:36:19 4 2
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@2132: "Uk spies lied just because Johnson gave them orders to lie" Well, a quick googling indicates that MI6's budget for the year 2017-18 was £3.02 billion. Since we're paying them that much to spy and lie for us, I should very much hope they *are* doing it!
2132 government technology to spy on all is already there in your gadgets the app is just a skin and also grants legal permission for them to spy in you so they are going to spy on all us 2 bit nobodies? get a grip, innocent = nothing to fear how many of these knife + van loons WERE on the list but slipped off radar? cant be that good at spying then can they go put yer tinfoil on :-)
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"the government is apparently lying by referring to it as "the NHS app"." government technology to spy on all is already there in your gadgets the app is just a skin and also grants legal permission for them to spy in you which they already do illegally Uk spies lied just because Johnson gave them orders to lie because Trump gave him the order to show extreme prejudice to Chinese men+women Removed
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26/09/2020 11:36:19 4 2
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@2132: "Uk spies lied just because Johnson gave them orders to lie" Well, a quick googling indicates that MI6's budget for the year 2017-18 was £3.02 billion. Since we're paying them that much to spy and lie for us, I should very much hope they *are* doing it!
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26/09/2020 11:37:09 4 4
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When people say “let’s wait for a vaccine” (never done before for human CV) they’re waiting for herd immunity. Herd immunity is the only solution (with or without a vaccine). A highly transmissible virus will not be eradicated by lockdown, face masks, etc., it just delays the inevitable. Protect vulnerable, get back to work...the only variable is how long before HMG come out of denial.
26/09/2020 11:45:13 4 2
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2136 Herd immunity? How do you actually thinks that works? Do you actually know how to get it? Do you know know how long our immune system retains that immunity? Do you know how many people need to be infected with Covid? Do you know how many will really die if you try ? Are we immune at all? Are we going to keep seeing the herd immunity argument as it's way past it's sell by date. FTT
26/09/2020 09:22:04 6 11
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Drained brain whoop de do for you. Your generation retired young and ruined planet. We have sacrificed 6 months for the elderly. School and work is necessary. The elderly can and should stay at home - stop being selfish. You could have designated times to shop/go out. Protecting the elderly has ruined lives of the young. We will all be paying for years. ELDERLY STAY AT HOME if you are frightened.
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26/09/2020 11:40:51 3 1
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2085. Victoria Davey. We have sacrificed 6 months for the elderly. School and work is necessary. get away with you, if you'd told me i had 6 months OFF school and no way to check homework etc i'd have done a back flip, only really learnt loads in last 2 years before GCE's anyway, rest was just acting the fool, uniforms were better then though, DM's sta-prest and harringtons :-)
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26/09/2020 11:41:11 0 0
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The UK tests more abs & pp than similar sized EU. 27% invalid p2 vs few % max struggling to access. Some may genuinely not understand rules (or is it more rational behind), or struggle to keep up as varied both freq and locally. Many who could choose not to "read", others just ignore. Msgg poor esp in Eng & lags reality. My loc auth hasn't yet warned inc> PHE 50,@ risk LLD, BBC did wk ago.
26/09/2020 11:37:09 4 4
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When people say “let’s wait for a vaccine” (never done before for human CV) they’re waiting for herd immunity. Herd immunity is the only solution (with or without a vaccine). A highly transmissible virus will not be eradicated by lockdown, face masks, etc., it just delays the inevitable. Protect vulnerable, get back to work...the only variable is how long before HMG come out of denial.
2139
26/09/2020 11:45:13 4 2
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2136 Herd immunity? How do you actually thinks that works? Do you actually know how to get it? Do you know know how long our immune system retains that immunity? Do you know how many people need to be infected with Covid? Do you know how many will really die if you try ? Are we immune at all? Are we going to keep seeing the herd immunity argument as it's way past it's sell by date. FTT
26/09/2020 11:55:18 0 9
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2139: No highly transmissible coronavirus has had an outcome other than herd immunity. Based on your wealth of pandemic expertise, why not tell us the solution. How long do we wait and how much do we spend? To the nearest hundred, how many next ‘bad flu’ season deaths are ok, before we hit ‘Repeat’? We’re throwing the poor under the bus to save the most elderly and chronically ill.
26/09/2020 11:56:39 5 1
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2139 Lord Lucan time you disappeared again. For us to have herd immunity without a vaccine means you have the virus and survived it. For it to work at least 60% of the population needs to of had it and got thru it. That still leaves 40% who haven't had it and can get it. The herd may protect most of them but not all. Our immunity varies from viruses from for life to months. It's a non starter. FTT
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Another day and another hys full of posts from the ccp disinformation brigade. Removed
"the government is apparently lying by referring to it as "the NHS app"." government technology to spy on all is already there in your gadgets the app is just a skin and also grants legal permission for them to spy in you which they already do illegally Uk spies lied just because Johnson gave them orders to lie because Trump gave him the order to show extreme prejudice to Chinese men+women Removed
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26/09/2020 11:47:03 3 2
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2132 government technology to spy on all is already there in your gadgets the app is just a skin and also grants legal permission for them to spy in you so they are going to spy on all us 2 bit nobodies? get a grip, innocent = nothing to fear how many of these knife + van loons WERE on the list but slipped off radar? cant be that good at spying then can they go put yer tinfoil on :-)
26/09/2020 11:45:13 4 2
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2136 Herd immunity? How do you actually thinks that works? Do you actually know how to get it? Do you know know how long our immune system retains that immunity? Do you know how many people need to be infected with Covid? Do you know how many will really die if you try ? Are we immune at all? Are we going to keep seeing the herd immunity argument as it's way past it's sell by date. FTT
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26/09/2020 11:55:18 0 9
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2139: No highly transmissible coronavirus has had an outcome other than herd immunity. Based on your wealth of pandemic expertise, why not tell us the solution. How long do we wait and how much do we spend? To the nearest hundred, how many next ‘bad flu’ season deaths are ok, before we hit ‘Repeat’? We’re throwing the poor under the bus to save the most elderly and chronically ill.
2144
26/09/2020 11:55:59 3 0
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which will get fixed first ? the outbreak or the APP?
26/09/2020 11:45:13 4 2
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2136 Herd immunity? How do you actually thinks that works? Do you actually know how to get it? Do you know know how long our immune system retains that immunity? Do you know how many people need to be infected with Covid? Do you know how many will really die if you try ? Are we immune at all? Are we going to keep seeing the herd immunity argument as it's way past it's sell by date. FTT
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26/09/2020 11:56:39 5 1
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2139 Lord Lucan time you disappeared again. For us to have herd immunity without a vaccine means you have the virus and survived it. For it to work at least 60% of the population needs to of had it and got thru it. That still leaves 40% who haven't had it and can get it. The herd may protect most of them but not all. Our immunity varies from viruses from for life to months. It's a non starter. FTT
26/09/2020 12:47:53 5 1
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2145: No highly transmissible coronavirus (e.g. common cold) has ever been eradicated and the outcome has always been herd immunity, in a similar way that influenza is combated via vaccines, which again give herd immunity. SARS in 2005 was a low transmissible CV and was defeated via lockdown/quarantine/track-trace. You should prepare for disappointment if you think C-19 will be eradicated.
Boris Johnson is an exemplar. Removed
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26/09/2020 12:06:36 6 0
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To give up on restrictions and go for herd immunity is just not feasible. Too many people would become sick enough to not be able to work and then not only would the NHS be compromised but all other services such as utilities,food prod,haulage, would be understaffed and unable to cope. Its not just about how many deaths there are its how many folk are incapacitated.
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26/09/2020 12:07:46 4 0
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Quarantine is the answer to any viral pandemic. It takes organising so that people have food as the food supply is essential as is keeping the power on. You test everyone on a regular basis. You do not let groups of people happen. We already have infection protocols. We give everyone a good chance of getting thru it. We do not need to let anyone die and we never have needed to let anyone die. FTT
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26/09/2020 12:09:18 5 4
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"We’re throwing the poor under the bus to save the most elderly and chronically ill." Doesn't have to be that way. If the government had the courage to accept that a free market economy is not appropriate to the current situation, we could easily save both.
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26/09/2020 12:09:38 4 4
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If you went for herd immunity you would have gone for it in early summer You can't do it now - too many hospital cases for the autumn and winter You don't hear much about flattening the curve any more but it's still very relevant
26/09/2020 12:23:06 3 1
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2151. Cod... "If you went for herd immunity you would've gone for it in early summer You can't do it now, too many hospital cases for the autumn & winter You don't hear much about flattening the curve any more but it's still very relevant" Problem is that the Govt has dithered so much on its responses to CV19, exams, Brexit, everything basically! It's all on the hoof at the last minute!
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26/09/2020 12:09:38 4 1
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We should listen to other scientists lets get there view as well
Don’t know about herd immunity, but I dearly wish I had lemon curd immunity when I was in school back in the day. Couldn’t bear the stuff. Still shudder now 30 years later just thinking about pud. Removed
26/09/2020 12:09:38 4 4
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If you went for herd immunity you would have gone for it in early summer You can't do it now - too many hospital cases for the autumn and winter You don't hear much about flattening the curve any more but it's still very relevant
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26/09/2020 12:23:06 3 1
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2151. Cod... "If you went for herd immunity you would've gone for it in early summer You can't do it now, too many hospital cases for the autumn & winter You don't hear much about flattening the curve any more but it's still very relevant" Problem is that the Govt has dithered so much on its responses to CV19, exams, Brexit, everything basically! It's all on the hoof at the last minute!
26/09/2020 11:23:02 4 5
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Incredible the number of people who appear to think they've scored some significant point by declaring the amazing discovery that the app was developed by a private company and that therefore the government is apparently lying by referring to it as "the NHS app". That's not a lie, that's what we on Earth call "how people talk". Or do you refer to going to do your shopping in Volkswagen's car?
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26/09/2020 12:45:41 4 2
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@2131 ‘therefore the government is apparently lying by referring to it as "the NHS app". That's not a lie, that's what we on Earth call "how people talk".’ Disagree People say “NHS cleaners” for example knowing they are outsourced But the NHS has nothing whatever to do with this app They are labelling it NHS so they can count it as NHS spending then blame the NHS when it fails
26/09/2020 11:56:39 5 1
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2139 Lord Lucan time you disappeared again. For us to have herd immunity without a vaccine means you have the virus and survived it. For it to work at least 60% of the population needs to of had it and got thru it. That still leaves 40% who haven't had it and can get it. The herd may protect most of them but not all. Our immunity varies from viruses from for life to months. It's a non starter. FTT
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26/09/2020 12:47:53 5 1
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2145: No highly transmissible coronavirus (e.g. common cold) has ever been eradicated and the outcome has always been herd immunity, in a similar way that influenza is combated via vaccines, which again give herd immunity. SARS in 2005 was a low transmissible CV and was defeated via lockdown/quarantine/track-trace. You should prepare for disappointment if you think C-19 will be eradicated.
26/09/2020 14:13:06 3 0
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2159 The problem is that in order to get to the herd immunity stage you are talking about takes time and luck. We are at the very beginning of trying to get herd immunity. It might work out in our favour it might not. A vaccine is a way out as that is immunity in a bottle. Herd immunity needs our bodies immune system to recognise and counter. We are not at the stage where this is happening enough
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26/09/2020 12:50:14 0 1
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“If your test took place in a Public Health England lab or NHS hospital, or as part of national surveillance testing conducted by the Office for National Statistics, test results cannot currently be linked with the app whether they’re positive or negative.” So the app may tell you to keep isolating after a -ve result https://twitter.com/NHSCOVID19app/status/1309446092057202689
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26/09/2020 12:54:07 6 1
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Quick government Lie-correction - Testing company Serco is a private company. It is not the NHS. Your 'pm' is an acknowledged Liar.
26/09/2020 13:02:52 5 8
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2161: Nearly everything you buy is made by a private company. Nearly everything the NHS buys is made by a private company. That’s how things work in capitalist countries. Unlike in communist countries, where very little works...you could try emigrating to one of them if you doubt that’s the case?
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26/09/2020 13:01:41 7 0
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Deloitte put together a database for the Pillar 2 tests which was not compatible with the existing PHE system This led to difficulties reporting and distributing results; 10s of thousands of duplicate test and case records had to be removed by manual deduplication Now it seems the app won’t acknowledge Pillar 1 or 4 test results We should demand our money back and sack Dido Harding
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26/09/2020 13:02:11 2 3
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"cant be that good at spying then can they go put yer tinfoil on" no they can't be very good they are rubbish they are just little boys working for the man politricks have failed they let murderers invade they fulfill prophecy and made themseleves history See Mi Yah Mash Down Babylon with Version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e5s7u0PaLs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8t6y7wD3zg
26/09/2020 13:11:38 0 1
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2163: Mash Down Babylon? ???????? It’s like a scene from the film Airplane...”can anyone translate from Jive to English?”.
26/09/2020 12:54:07 6 1
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Quick government Lie-correction - Testing company Serco is a private company. It is not the NHS. Your 'pm' is an acknowledged Liar.
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26/09/2020 13:02:52 5 8
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2161: Nearly everything you buy is made by a private company. Nearly everything the NHS buys is made by a private company. That’s how things work in capitalist countries. Unlike in communist countries, where very little works...you could try emigrating to one of them if you doubt that’s the case?
26/09/2020 13:57:46 3 3
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2164. Posted by Lord Lucan johnson no Liar to you I see ;) Quick government Lie-correction - Testing company Serco is a private company. It is not the NHS. Your 'pm' is an acknowledged Liar.
26/09/2020 14:29:44 7 0
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"2164 Lord Lucan Unlike in communist countries, where very little works...you could try emigrating to one of them if you doubt that’s the case?" ____________ Like China, where a large part of our technology is now made, or perhaps their space technology, or high speed rail links ? Certainly makes UK look poor in comparison.
26/09/2020 13:02:11 2 3
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"cant be that good at spying then can they go put yer tinfoil on" no they can't be very good they are rubbish they are just little boys working for the man politricks have failed they let murderers invade they fulfill prophecy and made themseleves history See Mi Yah Mash Down Babylon with Version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e5s7u0PaLs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8t6y7wD3zg
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26/09/2020 13:11:38 0 1
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2163: Mash Down Babylon? ???????? It’s like a scene from the film Airplane...”can anyone translate from Jive to English?”.
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@ 2165 Lord Lucan : very good point, Bingham.
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26/09/2020 13:12:48 1 0
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Dead and Dying Removals of Comments and Comentators are Multiplying While the PM is lying and Flying in a Red White and Blue Vanity Plane there's a wicked bug lurking > marking with a minus 1 > when complaining does not work > is the whitewashing blackout an hys glitch or a feature
26/09/2020 15:57:29 0 0
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@ 2166 Which end do you wipe first ?
"It’s like a scene from the film Airplane...”can anyone translate from Jive to English?" spot the Jolly Old English Man's humour using other's materials 2b funny like a jasper carrot plagiariser ripping off a steve martin original witticism if you say nword as a punchline every will laugh loud and wet their pants hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Removed
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A song about a former Labour MP has been topping the Amazon download charts ahead of Lady Gaga, Kylie Minogue and Bruce Springsteen Dennis Skinner, the so-called Beast of Bolsover, lost the seat he had held since 1970, in December The track Tony Skinner's Lad, by musician Robb Johnson, is a tribute to the acerbic politician, who grew up in Derbyshire Bound to wind up some here though? Removed
26/09/2020 13:11:38 0 1
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2163: Mash Down Babylon? ???????? It’s like a scene from the film Airplane...”can anyone translate from Jive to English?”.
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26/09/2020 13:35:53 0 0
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@ 2165 Lord Lucan : very good point, Bingham.
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26/09/2020 13:43:48 5 1
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The Increasing no of UK cases is disturbing. The hospitalisations & death rates are still much lower than the 1st phase peaks but they lag behind increasing cases. The young are less likely to suffer serious symptoms but protecting the elderly and those most at risk from contracting Covid 19 is absolutely vital now. We should all be sensible. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274
26/09/2020 13:02:52 5 8
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2161: Nearly everything you buy is made by a private company. Nearly everything the NHS buys is made by a private company. That’s how things work in capitalist countries. Unlike in communist countries, where very little works...you could try emigrating to one of them if you doubt that’s the case?
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26/09/2020 13:57:46 3 3
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2164. Posted by Lord Lucan johnson no Liar to you I see ;) Quick government Lie-correction - Testing company Serco is a private company. It is not the NHS. Your 'pm' is an acknowledged Liar.
26/09/2020 14:03:03 4 7
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@2171: "Serco is a private company. It is not the NHS." What part of the banal and obvious is the issue here. "The NHS App" - meaning, the App developed by a third party for, and paid for by, the NHS to do a job for them. Just because you have some huge issue with Serco having developed it for reasons that don't really interest us doesn't oblige everyone else to headline it at every mention.
26/09/2020 14:32:26 3 3
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@2171 "Quick government Lie-correction -" Actually, if you want an obvious lie to call out, look at the young people at Manchester and Edinburgh University, and their disingenuous claims to not 'understand' what they are and aren't allowed to do. If they're even vaguely intelligent enough to be worth sending to university, they understand perfectly well, they just lie to try to get sympathy.
26/09/2020 13:57:46 3 3
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2164. Posted by Lord Lucan johnson no Liar to you I see ;) Quick government Lie-correction - Testing company Serco is a private company. It is not the NHS. Your 'pm' is an acknowledged Liar.
2172
26/09/2020 14:03:03 4 7
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@2171: "Serco is a private company. It is not the NHS." What part of the banal and obvious is the issue here. "The NHS App" - meaning, the App developed by a third party for, and paid for by, the NHS to do a job for them. Just because you have some huge issue with Serco having developed it for reasons that don't really interest us doesn't oblige everyone else to headline it at every mention.
26/09/2020 14:36:08 9 1
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@2172 ' "The NHS App" - meaning, the App developed by a third party for, and paid for by, the NHS to do a job for them.' No. That's the point The NHS did not commission it The DHSC did, that is Hancock They are labelling it NHS so they can count it as NHS spending then blame the NHS when it fails "Serco" One of the worst, most litigated against, showers, as everyone in IT knows
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26/09/2020 14:13:06 2 2
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You would think this govt. would pull out all the stops to get people back to work, byinsisting on minimum covid protection standards at the workplace. That of course part paid for by the govt. as an added option to the current scheme, recently announced. Routine testing (weekly) would ensure health & safety at work, with anyone found to be infected sent home to self isolate.
26/09/2020 12:47:53 5 1
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2145: No highly transmissible coronavirus (e.g. common cold) has ever been eradicated and the outcome has always been herd immunity, in a similar way that influenza is combated via vaccines, which again give herd immunity. SARS in 2005 was a low transmissible CV and was defeated via lockdown/quarantine/track-trace. You should prepare for disappointment if you think C-19 will be eradicated.
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26/09/2020 14:13:06 3 0
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2159 The problem is that in order to get to the herd immunity stage you are talking about takes time and luck. We are at the very beginning of trying to get herd immunity. It might work out in our favour it might not. A vaccine is a way out as that is immunity in a bottle. Herd immunity needs our bodies immune system to recognise and counter. We are not at the stage where this is happening enough
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26/09/2020 14:29:44 6 5
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Folks please just remember that in a bad flu year anything from 136-165 people can die per day this is an average based on factual evidence BBC stop dramatising or better still wheres NICK Triggal let him report and BBC better still when you report all these death and destruction figures compare them with all the rest of disease that kills us each year PERSPECTIVE PLEASE BBC
26/09/2020 16:02:30 7 3
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2175. livingintherealworld Folks please just remember that in a bad flu year anything from 136-165 people can die per day this is an average based on factual evidence BBC stop dramatising...PERSPECTIVE PLEASE BBC -- 23rd March covid killed 67. Two weeks later deaths were 1,000 per day & doubling every 3-4 days. That's not a perspective to forget. It's what'll happen if we let it.
26/09/2020 13:02:52 5 8
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2161: Nearly everything you buy is made by a private company. Nearly everything the NHS buys is made by a private company. That’s how things work in capitalist countries. Unlike in communist countries, where very little works...you could try emigrating to one of them if you doubt that’s the case?
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26/09/2020 14:29:44 7 0
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"2164 Lord Lucan Unlike in communist countries, where very little works...you could try emigrating to one of them if you doubt that’s the case?" ____________ Like China, where a large part of our technology is now made, or perhaps their space technology, or high speed rail links ? Certainly makes UK look poor in comparison.
26/09/2020 13:57:46 3 3
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2164. Posted by Lord Lucan johnson no Liar to you I see ;) Quick government Lie-correction - Testing company Serco is a private company. It is not the NHS. Your 'pm' is an acknowledged Liar.
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26/09/2020 14:32:26 3 3
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@2171 "Quick government Lie-correction -" Actually, if you want an obvious lie to call out, look at the young people at Manchester and Edinburgh University, and their disingenuous claims to not 'understand' what they are and aren't allowed to do. If they're even vaguely intelligent enough to be worth sending to university, they understand perfectly well, they just lie to try to get sympathy.
26/09/2020 14:44:42 6 1
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@2177 "If they're even vaguely intelligent enough to be worth sending to university, they understand perfectly well" Samuel Johnson, George Bernard Shaw and Bertrand Russell all working together could not understand this government's guidance Because it is deliberately obfuscated and self-contradictory No one is MEANT to get it. That's intentional Then the government can blame others
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25/09/2020 13:45:43 550 106
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Lord Sumption’s analysis of this is plainly correct. You can only stop this virus spreading with a full lockdown until a vaccine is found. Such a lockdown is plainly impossible, and a grossly disproportionate interference with our civil liberties. Thus, we should accept reality, take sensible precautions and get on with our lives.
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26/09/2020 14:32:46 2 1
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@15 adraxis "Lord Sumption’s analysis of this is plainly correct. You can only stop this virus spreading with a full lockdown until a vaccine is found." How on earth is this nonsensical comment rated number 1? A proper quarantine across the world would have seen the virus die out and that should still be the way forward now. If a virus has no one to infect it has nowhere to go!!!
26/09/2020 14:03:03 4 7
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@2171: "Serco is a private company. It is not the NHS." What part of the banal and obvious is the issue here. "The NHS App" - meaning, the App developed by a third party for, and paid for by, the NHS to do a job for them. Just because you have some huge issue with Serco having developed it for reasons that don't really interest us doesn't oblige everyone else to headline it at every mention.
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26/09/2020 14:36:08 9 1
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@2172 ' "The NHS App" - meaning, the App developed by a third party for, and paid for by, the NHS to do a job for them.' No. That's the point The NHS did not commission it The DHSC did, that is Hancock They are labelling it NHS so they can count it as NHS spending then blame the NHS when it fails "Serco" One of the worst, most litigated against, showers, as everyone in IT knows
26/09/2020 15:05:52 0 0
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@2179 The NHS is an organ of the state, that's sort of what 'national' means in this context, after all. I'll admit that the government is notionally the *brain* of this meta-organism, and in that regard it frequently performs rather microsoftly, but I still think it's a stretch to count nomenclaturical imprecision between decisions taken by the DSC who direct the NHS, and the NHS itself as "lie".
26/09/2020 14:32:26 3 3
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@2171 "Quick government Lie-correction -" Actually, if you want an obvious lie to call out, look at the young people at Manchester and Edinburgh University, and their disingenuous claims to not 'understand' what they are and aren't allowed to do. If they're even vaguely intelligent enough to be worth sending to university, they understand perfectly well, they just lie to try to get sympathy.
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26/09/2020 14:44:42 6 1
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@2177 "If they're even vaguely intelligent enough to be worth sending to university, they understand perfectly well" Samuel Johnson, George Bernard Shaw and Bertrand Russell all working together could not understand this government's guidance Because it is deliberately obfuscated and self-contradictory No one is MEANT to get it. That's intentional Then the government can blame others
26/09/2020 14:49:04 2 3
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@2180. "Stay in. Do not socialise. Do not go and have a party." These are not difficult concepts to understand, even for Post-Millennials. Like any addict, "You can't have it" seems to be a difficult concept for them to *accept*- but to claim that they can't "understand" that they aren't permitted their social life at the moment is a flagrant lie which will only be reinforced by leniency.
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26/09/2020 14:47:13 5 1
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Ha ha ha ha, the Serco Covid-19 app can't even accept negative test results. Why is anybody surprised? Why would anybody trust anything to do with Serco and Dodo Harding?
26/09/2020 14:44:42 6 1
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@2177 "If they're even vaguely intelligent enough to be worth sending to university, they understand perfectly well" Samuel Johnson, George Bernard Shaw and Bertrand Russell all working together could not understand this government's guidance Because it is deliberately obfuscated and self-contradictory No one is MEANT to get it. That's intentional Then the government can blame others
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26/09/2020 14:49:04 2 3
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@2180. "Stay in. Do not socialise. Do not go and have a party." These are not difficult concepts to understand, even for Post-Millennials. Like any addict, "You can't have it" seems to be a difficult concept for them to *accept*- but to claim that they can't "understand" that they aren't permitted their social life at the moment is a flagrant lie which will only be reinforced by leniency.
26/09/2020 15:34:27 5 1
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@2182 "Addict" More blaming Anyone except the government you elected You have no reason to think the Manchester students have done anything wrong They are just another lazy target for you
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26/09/2020 15:01:19 1 7
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I Posted 2175 for those who voted down i take it you like BBc dramatising all the misery along with not putting things into perspective or is it you dont like Nick Triggal bbc reporter like i was advised by a Dr go do some digging regards viruses and the likes so my advise to others same dont take whats going at face value please dig learn and see this for what it is
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26/09/2020 15:02:51 6 3
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I wonder how many of these ‘non believers’ and protesters would be willing to sign a register to say if they or their family needed hospital treatment from Covid they and their family would forgo any treatment
26/09/2020 15:19:19 2 2
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2184. Posted by unbiased view Why not say that to cigarette smokers for costing the NHS billions for all the cancers they get. The obese who cant stop eating the pies so get diabetes, clogged arteries & 100 other ailments. Obesity costs the NHS billions Between the two of them, the truly anti-socials, costs 1000 times more than covid treatment. I say to obese smokers - please go away
26/09/2020 14:36:08 9 1
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@2172 ' "The NHS App" - meaning, the App developed by a third party for, and paid for by, the NHS to do a job for them.' No. That's the point The NHS did not commission it The DHSC did, that is Hancock They are labelling it NHS so they can count it as NHS spending then blame the NHS when it fails "Serco" One of the worst, most litigated against, showers, as everyone in IT knows
2185
26/09/2020 15:05:52 0 0
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@2179 The NHS is an organ of the state, that's sort of what 'national' means in this context, after all. I'll admit that the government is notionally the *brain* of this meta-organism, and in that regard it frequently performs rather microsoftly, but I still think it's a stretch to count nomenclaturical imprecision between decisions taken by the DSC who direct the NHS, and the NHS itself as "lie".
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26/09/2020 15:07:43 5 5
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Sweden has a policy to last. No lockdown, no masking, no enforced distancing, no closure of any business any service, no unemployment rises, no crashes of 1000s of business, no economic recession = 10 times less per capita positive tests than the UK, less per capita deaths than the UK. Sweden got it right. UK got it disastrously WRONG
26/09/2020 15:12:56 2 1
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@2186 “Like any addict,” More blaming Anyone except the government you elected You have no reason to think the Manchester students have done anything wrong They are just another lazy target for you
26/09/2020 15:24:52 2 0
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2186 Mirelli Is Sweden different to UK in any other aspects that may cause the spread of a virus
JBd
26/09/2020 15:27:13 5 0
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2186. Mirelli "10 times less per capita positive tests than the UK” In the last complete week, 1.5% of test results in Sweden were positive compared to 1.6% in the UK. So not 10 times less. New cases in Sweden rose by 34% over the last week, not as bad as the UK but they are once again over the UK travel corridor limit.
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26/09/2020 15:11:15 3 5
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With Sweden managing so well, the mask-wearing bandits must feel a bit low now. Wonderful to see 1000s in Trafalgar Square saying enough is enough. Our government must go along with every SAGE adviser
26/09/2020 15:07:43 5 5
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Sweden has a policy to last. No lockdown, no masking, no enforced distancing, no closure of any business any service, no unemployment rises, no crashes of 1000s of business, no economic recession = 10 times less per capita positive tests than the UK, less per capita deaths than the UK. Sweden got it right. UK got it disastrously WRONG
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26/09/2020 15:12:56 2 1
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@2186 “Like any addict,” More blaming Anyone except the government you elected You have no reason to think the Manchester students have done anything wrong They are just another lazy target for you
26/09/2020 15:02:51 6 3
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I wonder how many of these ‘non believers’ and protesters would be willing to sign a register to say if they or their family needed hospital treatment from Covid they and their family would forgo any treatment
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26/09/2020 15:19:19 2 2
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2184. Posted by unbiased view Why not say that to cigarette smokers for costing the NHS billions for all the cancers they get. The obese who cant stop eating the pies so get diabetes, clogged arteries & 100 other ailments. Obesity costs the NHS billions Between the two of them, the truly anti-socials, costs 1000 times more than covid treatment. I say to obese smokers - please go away
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26/09/2020 15:21:51 0 0
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Johnson is not IT literate The American Agent Arcuri resembled his porn history
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26/09/2020 15:24:22 0 0
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The problem with NHS Covid-19 App wasn't just NHS-X, it was the 'world beating' spec. It has issues, some some shared with manual T*T - check in, no check out (less critical on app), no time/location of infection etc. App doesn't work on some Chinese phones - Ironic!! Has anyone seen a pub or rest that has dropped the paper record keeping if scan in on app - in theory allowed in Eng ?
26/09/2020 15:07:43 5 5
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Sweden has a policy to last. No lockdown, no masking, no enforced distancing, no closure of any business any service, no unemployment rises, no crashes of 1000s of business, no economic recession = 10 times less per capita positive tests than the UK, less per capita deaths than the UK. Sweden got it right. UK got it disastrously WRONG
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26/09/2020 15:24:52 2 0
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2186 Mirelli Is Sweden different to UK in any other aspects that may cause the spread of a virus
26/09/2020 15:40:19 7 0
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2192 Grass Roots of Dub @2186 Mirelli "Is Sweden different to UK in any other aspects that may cause the spread of a virus" == Very good point. Sweden population density approx 23 per km2, UK 275 (Eng 430). A significant proportion of Swedes live alone. Not the only factors, but significant impact on spread of a virus.
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26/09/2020 15:25:52 4 1
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@marilenaS 2189 I agree re the smokers / obese costing billions, the difference is they don’t pass their illness on to others and they aren’t breaking the law by not wearing masks
26/09/2020 15:40:19 2 1
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2193. Posted byunbiased viewon 11 minutes ago @marilenaS 2189 I agree re the smokers / obese costing billions, the difference is they don’t pass their illness on to others and they aren’t breaking the law by not wearing masks ___________________________________ The obese can't see below the waste, can barely waddle so no SD risk from them, Smokers litter the street with toxic debris
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26/09/2020 15:25:52 2 2
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What fun. Covid deniers alliance of communists & fascists united in London protest. All the idiots in one place, all a sudden the best of friends. Where's BoJo's illegal water cannon when you need it?
26/09/2020 15:59:49 3 0
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@2194 "Covid deniers alliance of communists & fascists united in London protest. All […] in one place, all a sudden the best of friends." Who they are is an interesting question From the photos most look like statue defenders But I think there is an element of nonconformist hippies too Only 2 brown faces so far, who are smiling, like tourists joining in. That always happens in TrafSq
26/09/2020 15:07:43 5 5
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Sweden has a policy to last. No lockdown, no masking, no enforced distancing, no closure of any business any service, no unemployment rises, no crashes of 1000s of business, no economic recession = 10 times less per capita positive tests than the UK, less per capita deaths than the UK. Sweden got it right. UK got it disastrously WRONG
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JBd
26/09/2020 15:27:13 5 0
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2186. Mirelli "10 times less per capita positive tests than the UK” In the last complete week, 1.5% of test results in Sweden were positive compared to 1.6% in the UK. So not 10 times less. New cases in Sweden rose by 34% over the last week, not as bad as the UK but they are once again over the UK travel corridor limit.
26/09/2020 15:34:27 4 3
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2195. Posted byJBdon 2 minutes ago It's actually 10 times less positive tests in Sweden since we exited lockdown on 4 July. Those are Swedish & UK stats. It proves lockdown was useless. Facts are always annoying to the mask brigade.
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25/09/2020 13:44:13 60 19
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Dr Nicola Steedman, Scotland Deputy CMO, just admitted live at the daily briefing that one of the reasons they don’t mass test students is that those with no symptoms being tested increases the chances of false +ve’s and therefore students having to self isolate unnecessarily. Implication is that the number of 'cases' UK wide is unreliable.
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26/09/2020 15:28:54 1 3
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6 mths down the line still no 100% decent App orTest/Trace millions of pounds thrown down the drain and thousands of numpties walking round London like they are immortal.Virus that is truly frightening but cabinet with attitude of our way or no way not helping.Final chapter of exit from EU approaching with what appears to be no deal chaos.Time for Parliament to get a grip of this cabinet.
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26/09/2020 15:28:54 1 3
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Problem reaction solution dialectic You can spot Government propaganda news a mile off. When Johnson was told to f--- off with his app, he sat on it like the Patel files for 6 months, .
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26/09/2020 15:29:54 2 1
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Let's try and face facts. This government (like France Italy & Spain) have messed the whole caboodle up badly badly badly.
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26/09/2020 15:34:27 1 1
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I want all those in the anti lockdown protest in London today fined. I actually agree with them but the rules state no more than 6 people. If they aren't fined then i'm giving up and doing what the hell i want because the Government can't be bothered to enforce their own rules.
26/09/2020 15:42:30 2 1
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@2199 "I want all those in the anti lockdown protest in London today fined. I actually agree with them but the rules state no more than 6 people. If they aren't fined then i'm giving up and doing what the hell i want because the Government can't be bothered to enforce their own rules." They and you are doing exactly what Cummings wants Obey his orders if you want I will do what I want too
JBd
26/09/2020 15:27:13 5 0
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2186. Mirelli "10 times less per capita positive tests than the UK” In the last complete week, 1.5% of test results in Sweden were positive compared to 1.6% in the UK. So not 10 times less. New cases in Sweden rose by 34% over the last week, not as bad as the UK but they are once again over the UK travel corridor limit.
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26/09/2020 15:34:27 4 3
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2195. Posted byJBdon 2 minutes ago It's actually 10 times less positive tests in Sweden since we exited lockdown on 4 July. Those are Swedish & UK stats. It proves lockdown was useless. Facts are always annoying to the mask brigade.
JBd
26/09/2020 15:51:35 5 2
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2200. WELLANDCOMP “It's actually 10 times less positive tests in Sweden since we exited lockdown on 4 July” I have the data from both national websites and the ECDC. Between 03/07 and 20/09 Sweden 30,567 cases from 1,088,358 PCR tests = 2.8% UK 141,103 cases from 14,056,928 P1+2 tests = 1.0% So which ever FB page you got that from, it's wrong.