Coronavirus: Young people breaking rules risk ‘second wave’
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The health secretary says new coronavirus spikes in France and Spain started with young people.
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07/09/2020 16:47:28
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Death rates in France have in fact not gone up significantly, contrary to what Hancock suggests.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/
How about you coffin dodgers back off..I see way more young and families wearing masks than old people. If I got a pound for every time I told an old person to put mask up I would be rich. By the way it's not an excuse for you older gen to take your mask off when your talking to shop staff. Also the amount of old people who don't cover nose is bafferling. Everyone any age should be wearing a mask.
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How much madness can we bare? First of all THE LOCKDOWN 4 months of inactivity in the economy taking it to the brink. Then all of a sudden the lockdown is eased off but holidaying abroad is banned, Then, oops except that you can go to ABC on holiday. Then OOps, A&B are listed & u have to Quarantee 14 days if you've been to either, by the way D&E are open, then within the week Oops D is listed????
2505. Baldeagle4travel
"How much madness can we bare? "
The government change the lockdown conditions in response to changes in the number of cases and their origin.
You can expect tightening as cases continue to rise.
This is called adaptive triggering.
Unfortunately it takes a week to ten days for new infections to become new cases, so we are always two weeks behind events.
herd immunity, still the only game in town
that is unless you prefer total economic disintegration that is, which quite a few seem to, not sure why, best guess, utter stupidity ?
2507 your best guess is highly accurate I reckon
2507. ted
herd immunity, still the only game in town
that is unless you prefer total economic disintegration that is, which quite a few seem to, not sure why, best guess, utter stupidity ?
And the government still push towards a No Deal Brexit
2507ted
herd immunity, still the only game in town
that is unless you prefer total economic disintegration that is, which quite a few seem to, not sure why, best guess, utter stupidity?
Herd immunity was rightly abandoned very early on as there was (and still is) zero evidence that it was achievable. Prediction was it could cost 500k lives. Think common cold, ever had it more than once?
I was in a major DIY store last bank holiday. The route to walk clearly mark. Many signs saying you must wear a mask. A person and his family came towards me no masks. I asked them if they could follow the arrows. I explained because of my cancer I was trying to keep my distance. The reply. Don't be stupid you cannot catch cancer from another person. Education education education failed in my view
Dodgy Tories set a time limit of dying from COVID-19 of 28 days from a positive test. If you take longer to die then you're not included in the official figures.
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2509. Posted by wizzywig
Blaming the health professionals, who know a lot more than idiot due Bo and Dom.
If only Matt H had rolled out testing so the doctors could confirm COVID-19.
why did the BBC fail to share a description of the murderer on the loose in Birmingham? Why did you put lives at risk by not sharing the identity of a killer running amok in Birmingham for 2 hours?????? Why should we pay you for this shameful censorship and negligence of public duty?
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We did poorly at the outset, got worse, ended lock down too soon but now I think we have the right approach IF and only IF people, young and old, follow the rules. If enough of us do not think back to the month of March and consider if you want to go through in again for Christmas... and almost certainly with no furlough scheme this time.
So the Scottish Government today say you can’t meet inside another persons house but you are allowed to meet up in the pub.
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Just a ploy to try and get people spending money.
You meet your Gran in a pub "spending money", but not at her house spending nothing having a cupa tea. lmao!
The Government's problem is that they have bombarded the public with silly slogans, outright lies and half-truths about most aspects of their agenda. Nobody believes anything they say about anything - and nobody takes this bunch of clowns seriously any more.
Unfortunately, this lack of trust is having very serious consequences!
ToryLiesMatter.
Why is the BBC presenting a statistic that is un-normalised?? There is no effort to allow for the number of people being tested, What about explaining the graph in terms of the 'four pillars'? That might tell you something about where the infection was and is most prevalent. Do a proper comparison, pillar by pillar if you can get the data.
@2468 nope you’re still wrong. My niece has been undertaking research into death certs arising in covid deaths. The overwhelming majority had significant pre existing conditions that would have led to the patient’s demise, although yes the deaths were brought forward.
Too many non elderly people rely on pills to manage their underlying illnesses these days & that attitude needs changing.
2517. whatshappeningtotheworld
The overwhelming majority had significant pre existing conditions that would have led to the patient’s demise, although yes the deaths were brought forward.
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Just being alive leads ultimately to death too. If deaths were "brought forward" by Covid then that is what killed them.
Dodgy Tories set a time limit of dying from COVID-19 of 28 days from a positive test. If you take longer to die then you're not included in the official figures.
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2490 HughEdinburgh
Dodgy Tories set a time limit of dying from COVID-19 of 28 days from a positive test. If you take longer to die then you're not included in the official figures.
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I think you will find that a lot of others countries used that measure as well. But that doesn't suite your blinkered view
The inconsistencies in the guidance make little sense. We are required to wear a facemask in shops, but the staff don't have to, so in Tesco recently the staff not wearing masks outnumbered the customers who were. Statistically the infections will increase where not wearing a mask. NHS staff have been threatened with disciplinaries for not wearing masks. Mandatory for all, except with exemptions!
2519Statistically the infections will increase where not wearing a mask...really ? give references.
The most important preventative measure is for everyone to do their best to avoid passing the virus on. It's highly contagious, you can have it without knowing, it can be passed on to people near you just by talking, let alone coughing, laughing etc, and it survives some time on surfaces. Think about that before you open your mouth, or cough into your hand just before you push the shop door open.
The inconsistencies in the guidance make little sense. We are required to wear a facemask in shops, but the staff don't have to, so in Tesco recently the staff not wearing masks outnumbered the customers who were. Statistically the infections will increase where not wearing a mask. NHS staff have been threatened with disciplinaries for not wearing masks. Mandatory for all, except with exemptions!
oh the cynics are out in force today - right wing nut jobs innit
As an over 70 who has to look after 3 Grandchildren because their Mum works, I have to say I am very worried. If she gives up work she can't afford the rent so it has to be done. I keep telling them to be careful not to give it to me and my wife.
No good warning young people to think about grandparents.
It's a case of party party party at the weekend, have a test on the Monday then if OK see granny on Thursday. Repeat and rinse.
Test positive, nothing to lose. Granny can be seen again in a week, feeling OK so plans for another party weekend.
Looking at the data there’s a clear difference between this (second wave?) and the first wave, especially if you look at France and Spain!
Detection / infection rate is up, but deaths don’t seem to be increasing much if at all, the three week lag previously noted isn’t there this time!
Clearly something is different, and it’s easy to speculate, but you can bet the authorities don’t know why!
2529. Private Frazer
Detection / infection rate is up, but deaths don’t seem to be increasing much if at all
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Deaths have always been evident. Known infection rates will have risen with testing volume. Many seem to get alarmed because they know about something they didn't previously know, despite it having been there before. And the constant news coverage doesn't exactly help.
Unfortunately because young people are well known to not be in general as badly affected by covid-19 many are blasé around it.
I would like to see the government focus on reminding them again and again that they will take it home to their parents, their grandparents who might not be so fortunate.
It needs to be hammered home
2530 how nice
'most grandparents to have been killed by covid were because of the governments horrific policy of transferring sick people to care homes'
And not in any way due to agency staff going from home to home because permanent staff stayed away in droves once a case was found.
So unbelievably frustrating. There are masses of people 40+ socialising. Conviniently most of these have already found love, settled down, bought their homes, kept jobs. They are now judging all those terrible young adults for the audacity of wanting friends, falling in love, going to work, paying rent and sending kids to school. I'm sure most who tested +ve have not caught it from illegal raves!
2531 Ibaci05
They are now judging all those terrible young adults for the audacity of wanting friends, falling in love, going to work, paying rent and sending kids to school.
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Yes we are judging you. For weeks the youth have maintained it was older folk who were irresponsible and a hindrance to beating the virus. But now it has shown the other way round you can't take it? Sucks, dont it?
I know 2 elderly gentleman 75 & 85 who have had covid. Both had severe strokes & were in hospital, so already compromised healthwise. That’s where they caught it - in spite of all the precautions in place! They both survived with no need for medical intervention. Not all old, sick people die but sadly overweight sick people are more vulnerable. We are a fat nation & that’s why we’re worried.
How much madness can we bare? First of all THE LOCKDOWN 4 months of inactivity in the economy taking it to the brink. Then all of a sudden the lockdown is eased off but holidaying abroad is banned, Then, oops except that you can go to ABC on holiday. Then OOps, A&B are listed & u have to Quarantee 14 days if you've been to either, by the way D&E are open, then within the week Oops D is listed????
2505. Baldeagle4travel
"How much madness can we bare? "
The government change the lockdown conditions in response to changes in the number of cases and their origin.
You can expect tightening as cases continue to rise.
This is called adaptive triggering.
Unfortunately it takes a week to ten days for new infections to become new cases, so we are always two weeks behind events.
Let's put it in black and white.
Anyone who does not wear a face mask, or observe social distancing, or regularly wash their hands, is the pandemic equivalent of those people in WW2 who refused to observe the blackout, and shone lights to guide the Luftwaffe onto their targets in London and other major UK cities.
They put the lives OF EVERYONE, at risk.
All EU countries now going through a rise in infections again. Spain, France Germany, etc. All the same as UK, that deaths are not really going up much. A clear sign that the virus took most it would the first time around and all it's killing now is the odd person with underlying conditions it missed first time. Big difference now that shows it's not as deadly like people think
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I'm afraid that this pandemic has shown that an unacceptable proportion of today's youth are irresponible and have a callous attitude towards older generations.
Perhaps we should blame ourselves for spoiling each generation rather than teaching them basic morals.
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2490. Posted byHughEdinburgh
alas your ignorance of the reality is stunning! Some doctors have been guilty of putting covid as cause for many who died of other factors but it fit an agenda! Dont let your blame culture political agenda get in the way of the reality.
Yes there are more cases but look at the context 3000 cases amoungst 66 million. It seems to be a ailment mostly effecting high density working class areas in the north, perhaps people are too friendley up north. In the south my local council area last week had 5 cases amoungst 100,000 people, I have more chance of being run over by a bus, DONT PANIC!
As my gran says .... and yes 89 goes shopping every day normal life her words were ..... I’d rather a few years of joy than many years of misery
But anyway don’t forget to go on your local fb page and blame the local teenagers who are supposedly killing people now ..... the blame I wonder who’s turn it will be next week hmmm
Throw fact the old voted in brexit to force young to leave when they wanted to stay and it’s ... fight ..... lol civil war around the corner ... young v old .. what have we become... Turning on each other like rabid animals ..... govt told people to go out and spend and were told of consequences.
.as govt can’t be blamed for anything ...it’s the Young’s fault
Logically whatever your beliefs about this virus (mine it's fake).
If someone said to you congratulations your perfectly fit and not at risk from this virus however...
You cannot see your friends, have to wear a mask everywhere you go, cannot freely enjoy a night out, go to a wedding, go on holiday and potentially lose your job.
We would all risk catching the virus.
So unbelievably frustrating. There are masses of people 40+ socialising. Conviniently most of these have already found love, settled down, bought their homes, kept jobs. They are now judging all those terrible young adults for the audacity of wanting friends, falling in love, going to work, paying rent and sending kids to school. I'm sure most who tested +ve have not caught it from illegal raves!
2531 Ibaci05
They are now judging all those terrible young adults for the audacity of wanting friends, falling in love, going to work, paying rent and sending kids to school.
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Yes we are judging you. For weeks the youth have maintained it was older folk who were irresponsible and a hindrance to beating the virus. But now it has shown the other way round you can't take it? Sucks, dont it?
Increased testing results in more cases. Hand washing & not touching your face is the right thing to do. Remember ‘catch it, bin it’. Used to see people on the train sneeze/cough with no regard for others, that’s how colds spread. However, if you read some of the comments on here about the seriousness of this virus, you’d think it was the plague! Only 19 out of 20 people even show symptoms!
@2550 mental moment should read only 1 out of 20 show symptoms as the Deputy Medical Officer said. See that’s how lies spread!!
Open letter to the gov please remove all car traffic as it’s to dangerous for my child to cross ,oh can you do something about thunder & lightning too very dangerous that stuff
Oh and a lifeguard for when they take a bath as lots of kids drown you know
Well if we gonna do it may aswell do it properly hey
A third of all positive tests last week were people under 30. The vast majority will survive but they might spread it to older people including people in their own family.
These include people attending illegal raves, woke people, mostly middle class and white going on BLM demos over something that's to do with the US and not us and those absurd global warming fruitcakes.
2475. Robson
Call me a "Global Warming fruitcake" but for most 20 to 30 year olds, in fact for most people I think, Climate Change is the up most concerning and worrying crisis that is upon us! I don't blame people for going out and having fun, if I did that would make me a hypocrite! Enjoy live before Climate Change kills many more of us! May as well now as no one bothered to listen in the 80s!
2552. Me
I would like to add however, it doesn't exclude the fact that I believe you must wash your hands to kill the virus, and wear face coverings in shops and on transport to limit the spread, and of cause raves are stupid. But little gatherings and going to the Pub must carry on, not just to keep quality of life good, but for the economy. Climate is still the biggest issue today though!
2552: Enjoy life before Climate Change kills many more of us.
All C-19 deaths worldwide replaced since Saturday and another 140M arrivals this year.
Population growth is the real problem, but it might not fit in with the Woke narrative (“forced sterilisation - NOW!!!”)?
The real players (US, China, India) know that carbon saving is a costly and worthless irrelevance...so don’t. ??
It's funny how the anti-Govt. luvvies can change their minds, do lots of u-turns (following hindsight) and if all else fails use good old scaremongering and conspiracy theories.
Now they want to lock all the oldies up, so that they can selfishly go on holiday or have a good old pub crawl and all singing and dancing rave up.
It appears that "herd immunity" is OK now, because it suits THEM!!
Can the BBC please find out how many people with symptons that go for a test are positive? How many just have normal colds etc, it would be fasinating to know? Also 6 months in why no idea of where most people catch it?
2558 Rob
Can the BBC please find out how many people with symptons that go for a test are positive?
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Are you sure? That would require some investigative journalism.
Though reporting becoming alot more balanced now so I have to agree, it would be good to know the testing results.
Increased testing results in more cases. Hand washing & not touching your face is the right thing to do. Remember ‘catch it, bin it’. Used to see people on the train sneeze/cough with no regard for others, that’s how colds spread. However, if you read some of the comments on here about the seriousness of this virus, you’d think it was the plague! Only 19 out of 20 people even show symptoms!
Oooer missus....people who face no risk wanting to live their lives rather than be miserable like the liberals....hold the front pages, alert the police, this is weally, weally sewious.
2560.TF
Oooer missus....people who face no risk wanting to live their lives rather than be miserable like the liberals....hold the front pages, alert the police, this is weally, weally sewious.
So you don't care about how your behaviour could risk the lives of your parents or grandparents?
One of the reasons given at the tme for delaying UK lock down was that the public would soon tire of it and start to undermine its effectiveness. QED I think but it held longer than expected.
Why is the BBC presenting a statistic that is un-normalised?? There is no effort to allow for the number of people being tested, What about explaining the graph in terms of the 'four pillars'? That might tell you something about where the infection was and is most prevalent. Do a proper comparison, pillar by pillar if you can get the data.
When did 'youths' become 'young people'?
2507ted
herd immunity, still the only game in town
that is unless you prefer total economic disintegration that is, which quite a few seem to, not sure why, best guess, utter stupidity?
Herd immunity was rightly abandoned very early on as there was (and still is) zero evidence that it was achievable. Prediction was it could cost 500k lives. Think common cold, ever had it more than once?
2566. Posted by Corbieres on Just now
Herd immunity was rightly abandoned very early on as there was (and still is) zero evidence that it was achievable. Prediction was it could cost 500k lives. Think common cold, ever had it more than once?
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There is no singular "common cold", so your example fails completely. Herd immunity is still the best solution.
Government policies have been causing levels of the disease to rise.
Such as eat out to spread Covid.
Or take a trip to Barnard Castle to test your eyes.
Most incompetent Government in UK democratic history.
2567. Posted by Rtennis21
Government policies have been causing levels of the disease to rise.
Such as eat out to spread Covid
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Great, can we see your evidence of this? Not got any? Thought so. Stop spreading garbage.
If that graph keeps climbing Mr Hancock I would expect a second lockdown of the country around Oct/Nov.... With more funny money being printed and a further Furlough situation. All on top of Brexit???
Looking at the data there’s a clear difference between this (second wave?) and the first wave, especially if you look at France and Spain!
Detection / infection rate is up, but deaths don’t seem to be increasing much if at all, the three week lag previously noted isn’t there this time!
Clearly something is different, and it’s easy to speculate, but you can bet the authorities don’t know why!
2529. Private Frazer
Detection / infection rate is up, but deaths don’t seem to be increasing much if at all
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Deaths have always been evident. Known infection rates will have risen with testing volume. Many seem to get alarmed because they know about something they didn't previously know, despite it having been there before. And the constant news coverage doesn't exactly help.
I notice this slightly trivial story is getting as much coverage as a black man stabbing people in Birmingham.If he had been white it would have been headline news.
2466. byrichard dziedzicon
I notice this slightly trivial story is getting as much coverage as a black man stabbing people in Birmingham.If he had been white it would have been headline news.
Utter nonsense.
Let me guess, you voted Brexit, hate foreigners, particularly French and Germans because you are a Patriot?
Does your mum still make you a packed lunch?
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Once again, the Govt are trying to pass the blame...at the start
THEY SAID “younger people have a very low chance of getting serious symptoms or being hospitalised- for those under 15 the risk is negligible”
Now they point fingers at the young for behaving like.....young people.
There are a lot more cases but are these serious infections?
Anyone else see the govt slight of hand here ... get young against old in battle of I’m going out oh not you are not malarkey and in the meantime they make hay in the divide and conquer stakes...... attention away from Bj and his close unit of mates destroying the Uk and everyone blaming someone else .... its like hiding in plain .. this govt is so dangerous but no one sees it.
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2507ted
herd immunity, still the only game in town
that is unless you prefer total economic disintegration that is, which quite a few seem to, not sure why, best guess, utter stupidity?
Herd immunity was rightly abandoned very early on as there was (and still is) zero evidence that it was achievable. Prediction was it could cost 500k lives. Think common cold, ever had it more than once?
2566. Posted by Corbieres on Just now
Herd immunity was rightly abandoned very early on as there was (and still is) zero evidence that it was achievable. Prediction was it could cost 500k lives. Think common cold, ever had it more than once?
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There is no singular "common cold", so your example fails completely. Herd immunity is still the best solution.
@2575
Herd immunity is only an option if you can spend a couple of days at home with your bestie - paracetamol.
Herd immunity is NOT an option when the disease has no seroprevalence in the UK & causes life changing consequences.
This isn't the common cold. Deal with it.
What worries me is the apportioning of blame in this way is likley to set groups of individuals against other groups this is a dangerous Virus that can and does infect all groups, hard local lockdowns is the way forward and will be the new normal as until and if a vaccine is found and at this stage that is not certain
How close are we with Dido's App?
Government needs to act now. Shut down the pubs and stop this ludicrous scheme that encourages people to mix in restaurants. If we dither like last time we will inevitably have something worse to deal with. It’s almost too late now. Holidays should never have been allowed. Planes caused this spread in the first place. We have learned NOTHING.
It’s about time people got a grip, regarding covid19
More people in the uk die of sepsis than all of the cancers and flu combined
They r both, something u mite get and u mite not
Time to stop this nonsense
Shops won’t be happy wen they’re empty in the run upto Christmas, because of this crap
@2579. byCoxyon
It’s about time people got a grip, regarding covid19
More people in the uk die of sepsis than all of the cancers and flu combined
They r both, something u mite get and u mite not
Time to stop this nonsense
Shops won’t be happy wen they’re empty in the run upto Christmas, because of this crap
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With the state of your grammar I'm going to presume you're still at school.
Shut up hancock. your government's useless over continued reaction to this 'pandemic' has caused significantly more pain, suffering and death than this trumped up cold ever could.
I have two AS level wonder kids going back to school tomorrow !
What they don't realise is I am having the locks changed. Boris and his mates can find them somewhere new to stay !
If I let them back in I'll be dead by Xmas !
Then again maybe we can split the house up into two mini-homes !
Problem is there is only one toilet !
Covid ...........the gift that keeps giving !
And there is proof that covid is mutating in humans as well..... Just like the 'common cold'
@2582 kevin "And there is proof..."
And yet you haven't provided said proof. Can you?
I work in a Uni and sadly the students just dont care or think about it. Same are fantastic but many just shrug and say "well its not gonna hurt me" It's the ME bit that stings to the rest of us.
Government analysis seems to ignore the illegal landings at Dover and the threat that is posed to areas of distribution
Shut up hancock. your government's useless over continued reaction to this 'pandemic' has caused significantly more pain, suffering and death than this trumped up cold ever could.
2585. Posted bypragueimpon
Shut up Sankey.
No - shup up bypragueimpon. when the bill lands for the hundreds of billions that this over reaction is costing and the austerity and tax rises which'll ensure start to bite ... you're going to wonder whether it was all worth it for what is basically a weak cold that 99.7% get over from just fine.
It’s about time people got a grip, regarding covid19
More people in the uk die of sepsis than all of the cancers and flu combined
They r both, something u mite get and u mite not
Time to stop this nonsense
Shops won’t be happy wen they’re empty in the run upto Christmas, because of this crap
@2579. byCoxyon
It’s about time people got a grip, regarding covid19
More people in the uk die of sepsis than all of the cancers and flu combined
They r both, something u mite get and u mite not
Time to stop this nonsense
Shops won’t be happy wen they’re empty in the run upto Christmas, because of this crap
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With the state of your grammar I'm going to presume you're still at school.
There is a significant risk to 'young people' from getting CV19 - not so much their health, but their jobs and job prospects
It's reckoned (by economists) that wearing a mask saves the economy ~£30 per day - because it reduces the need for further economy damaging lockdowns
So if young people don't care about the health risks (fair enough I guess) they should care about their livelihoods.
Older people may have health issues and find masks difficult, as have I . Masks MAY help but there is no hard and fast evidence. Washing your hands is proved to work, stop getting on at young or old 're masks, our numbers went down when we weren't wearing masks so the wearing of them is questionable. We are all in this together and are responsible to protect ourselves and be sensible, back off
2475. Robson
Call me a "Global Warming fruitcake" but for most 20 to 30 year olds, in fact for most people I think, Climate Change is the up most concerning and worrying crisis that is upon us! I don't blame people for going out and having fun, if I did that would make me a hypocrite! Enjoy live before Climate Change kills many more of us! May as well now as no one bothered to listen in the 80s!
2552. Me
I would like to add however, it doesn't exclude the fact that I believe you must wash your hands to kill the virus, and wear face coverings in shops and on transport to limit the spread, and of cause raves are stupid. But little gatherings and going to the Pub must carry on, not just to keep quality of life good, but for the economy. Climate is still the biggest issue today though!
These young ones are ruining our opportunity to get rid of this virus. Inconsiderate selfish kids should be ashamed of themselves
2592Truth hurts "selfish kids should be ashamed of themselves"
Is that the "young ones" (14-18) forced back to school, compelled to mass in close proximity with other "young ones", with NO social distancing or any other safety measures?
Or was it the "young ones" (18-22) forced back to colleges and universities with the same lack of restrictions?
Meanwhile the HoC remains ultra-safe.
It is a bizarre, an incompetent government without a clear agenda just blaming the young people. They opened the schools without proper preparations and without proper rules and now they are just talking nonsense,
2566. Posted by Corbieres on Just now
Herd immunity was rightly abandoned very early on as there was (and still is) zero evidence that it was achievable. Prediction was it could cost 500k lives. Think common cold, ever had it more than once?
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There is no singular "common cold", so your example fails completely. Herd immunity is still the best solution.
All those moaning about seeing people with no masks when shopping . Why are you in the shops then in the first place if you are that worried.
Order online !
I believe you are loving this drama. Absolutely loving it.
2596 Why O Why
'All those moaning about seeing people with no masks when shopping . Why are you in the shops then in the first place if you are that worried.
Order online !'
Not everyone can afford to order online.
The rule is wear a mask in a shop - why don't those who wish to ignore this law 'order online'?
The Snowflakes are entitled as always
Society completely split. Young vs Old. Black vs White. North vs South. Leave vs Remain. Rules observers vs non observers. Welcome to Great Britain.