Can viral videos stop police brutality?
06/07/2020 | news | other | 107
Do viral videos like the one captured of George Floyd's death actually reduce police abuse?
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06/07/2020 00:51:40 33 28
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It is Police who need to Stop Police Brutality.Stop their cowardly, mob-handed, heavily armed,ultra-agressive ways & learn how to be human & compassionaite. If the Police are too thick to understand, then get the people who recruit & teach them to re - educate & re - evaluate the way they do things. YES, These mobile phone footages are needed & crucial, but change has to begin from the Cops.
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06/07/2020 10:51:40 6 4
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@1 - not necessarily thick, but perhaps know their actions are unaccountable, even when filmed "This video transfixed people because of the callous nature of the killing coupled with the brazen nature of the police, who knew they were being filmed and still did it anyway" @2 - terrified? Rodney King didn't appear much of a threat. Pretending to be in fear, after the fact, to avoid charges.
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06/07/2020 02:51:40 27 11
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They aren't thick. Most of these killings appear to be because they are terrified of people. An unarmed Australian woman wearing pyjamas is shot because a policeman "feared for his life" so obviously a man wearing clothes is really scary for American policemen and they often seem to "fear for their lives". They need to stop hiring such timid creatures and fire those responsible for recruitment.
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06/07/2020 02:51:40 77 5
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You need to differentiate from events in America to events in Britain. They're poles apart. British Police are accountable and are prosecuted. American Police hide behind Qualified Immunity from prosecution which allows them to function in the way that they do. When a cop pulls a gun for someone failing to stop a red light, you've got an institutional problem. Far different to events in the UK
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DG
06/07/2020 14:26:32 3 9
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@3 You need to look at the UK Police abuse of powers on Youtube. UK Police, as in the US, do what they want when they want. Even caught on camera abuse (youtube) is difficult to get before a judge because the CPS play their part in refusing to prosecute the Police.
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06/07/2020 05:51:40 33 20
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Citizens abusing, assaulting and killing the police is the real problem. The public get the police they deserve. Peaceful law abiding countries generally have peaceful law abiding police officers. Violent and disrespectful societies generally lead to the police reacting in kind. Fortunately in the UK we have the most professional police service in the world.
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06/07/2020 05:51:40 16 5
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A HYS on the relationship between BLM and the police? Hang on I'll just get my popcorn....
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06/07/2020 05:51:40 20 29
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People don't like being arrested and they become violent. And if you remove this comment it will simply prove BBC left wing bias.
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06/07/2020 05:51:40 35 1
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The media in the USA portrays the use of violence as normal, the problem is that most people in the USA have difficulty separating reality from the fantasy land that their minds live in.
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06/07/2020 05:51:40 10 31
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The issue we have in the UK is testosterone abuse by 'SOME' police officers. Anyone with a warrant card should be tested to ensure they're not in some permanent roid-rage. More are than you think. The cops know they have this issue and they're scared to highlight how bad it is. P.S. I'm not a fan of this BLM thing. I think it should be fine to say 'white lives matter too.'
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06/07/2020 06:51:40 24 22
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Reha Kansara I don't know if you are an American citizen. BUT when you are writing a major article on the UK'S national broadcaster. Would you not write your heading a " Can viral videos stop police brutality" The BBC from the outset seems not to know that the brutality happened in the USA! We see BRUTALITY from BLM protesters in the UK !!!!!!!!
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06/07/2020 06:51:40 27 21
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I think the biggest issue we have here in the UK is a biased, agenda base national broadcaster that seems to be doing it's best to project the prejudices and political opinions of it's journalists, instead of being balanced, truthful and objective.
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06/07/2020 06:51:40 10 16
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12. Sterotype-Your comments are better than mine and express the BBC perfectly. BUT what can you expect from the BBC who employ these brainwashed graduates from university whose lecturers had been "schooled" in the arts of Marxist anarchist subversion? So we get this attack day after day by the BBC ,who don't want to distinguish between our police and their brutal USA equivalents.
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06/07/2020 06:51:40 38 7
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Why do we hear nothing about the brutality of criminals??? Victims of crime as usual are forgotten. True there may be problems in some areas in the US but that does not apply to our own unarmed police who put themselves in danger many times to protect us.
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06/07/2020 06:51:40 6 2
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Re. Meeee One reason may be that criminals are accountable to their crime bosses while police officers are accountable to the taxpayer. I want to know how my taxes are being used.
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06/07/2020 06:51:40 34 22
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To: Four_Winds Those who respond to "Black Lives Matter" with "White [or "all"] Lives Matter" are entirely missing the point of the message. Does "Thank you, NHS" mean "I owe gratitude to nobody else"? Does "My heart bleeds for Manchester" [after Aria Grande terrorist attack] mean I don't care for the London Bridge terrorist victims? "WLM" is an example of white privilege.
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meh
06/07/2020 06:51:40 15 9
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As hard as I try i simply can not find any videos online of UK police killing people from ethnic groups during questioning or arrest. I'm able to find a non stop stream for US police. With everything that's been going on for the last few weeks I would have expected a flurry of videos to prove this injustice occurring in Britain.
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06/07/2020 06:51:40 3 7
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When watching US films and TV shows how many times have we seen a policeman or someone else in law enforcement casually executed whilst sitting in a car, standing on watch or any other non threatening work. Somebody tell me this is a reflection of real life in the USA and has no affect on how a cop goes about his work
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06/07/2020 06:51:40 27 21
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I think the biggest issue we have here in the UK is a biased, agenda base national broadcaster that seems to be doing it's best to project the prejudices and political opinions of it's journalists, instead of being balanced, truthful and objective.
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06/07/2020 06:51:40 10 16
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12. Sterotype-Your comments are better than mine and express the BBC perfectly. BUT what can you expect from the BBC who employ these brainwashed graduates from university whose lecturers had been "schooled" in the arts of Marxist anarchist subversion? So we get this attack day after day by the BBC ,who don't want to distinguish between our police and their brutal USA equivalents.
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06/07/2020 10:51:40 9 3
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@18 brainwashed graduates from university whose lecturers had been "schooled" in the arts of Marxist anarchist subversion? -- Are you insane or just trolling? Do you seriously suggest that Universities are indoctrination centres for a deep, c19th conspiracy? Have none of the Conservatine MPs, Lords, or voters been to university - or are they Manchurian Candidates, too?
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06/07/2020 06:51:40 6 1
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Re: 16. Posted bymehon "With everything that's been going on for the last few weeks I would have expected a flurry of videos to prove this injustice occurring in Britain." Try: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/04/police-smash-car-window-ryan-colaco-tv-interview-racism
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06/07/2020 07:51:40 28 2
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If injustice is to be truly stamped out you need to start in the education system. Teach children all human beings are equal To find and understand different perspectives and recognise their view is not the only one To recognise and challenge injustice when they see it. Finally, to see education as the privilege it is and not something to be suffered. Invest now or nothing will change!
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06/07/2020 07:51:40 13 16
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Just comply. Stop questioning police motives and you will be fine. In a country where everyone potentially carry a gun police often do over react to your.....over reaction. Comply. Stop with silly gestures , too. Brave of BBC to open HYS on it but we need and must talk.
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06/07/2020 07:51:40 40 10
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This is why it’s essential for as many police as possible to be given body mounted cameras to protect them from malicious, and false allegations. If they’re wrong, then they deserve what’s coming, but we cannot get to a stage where police are reluctant to stop or even speak to a person who’s skin colour isn’t white. Your skin colour cannot be used as a “ free pass “, although some would like this.
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06/07/2020 08:51:40 10 6
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@22 DMT This is why it’s essential for as many police as possible to be given body mounted cameras to protect them from malicious, and false allegations. Not all allegations are malicious or false, though this can take time to know. It took the Metropolitan police nearly 29 years to apologise for shooting Dorothy "Cherry" Groce causing lethal injuries. No charge of murder. Why not? Black?
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06/07/2020 07:51:40 27 9
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Cos the UK and US are exactly the same when it come to police brutality...obvs....NOT. Stop trying to enflame things BBC, the BLM movement has little enough credibility as it is.
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06/07/2020 07:51:40 21 2
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Can viral videos stop endemic knife crime?
24. Posted bylistenon Can viral videos stop endemic knife crime? --- A couple of months ago I would have agreed. The issue is that generations of compounded poverty has driven many people of colour to take desparate actions to feed their famillies. This then becomes further compounded until many coloured young men consider violence to be the only thing they are good at. It can change! Removed
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06/07/2020 07:51:40 14 11
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Those who respond with all lives matter miss the point. All houses matter but the fire service will concentrate on the one that is on fire or under threat. This situation has arisen due to deep rooted racism, often indirect throughout the western world. If you feel uncomfortable about it, talk to black people, ask them how they feel. Don't minimize it or try to defect your discomfort.
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06/07/2020 07:51:40 5 1
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All reminds me of the excellent Not the Nine O'clock Radio programme back in the early 1980s ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teSPN8sVbFU
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06/07/2020 08:51:40 14 3
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So you indoctrinate people from birth to fight for a flag and a system based to a large part on hypocrisy. You then train a large portion of those people to view the rest of the world as enemies, and use a huge amount of people and money on interventions to kill those 'threats'. You build a police force that mirrors those 'values'. That is the USA. That is its history. That is its tragedy.
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06/07/2020 08:51:40 6 11
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re: 25. Posted byLucyluon "Those who respond with all lives matter miss the point. All houses matter but the fire service will concentrate on the one that is on fire or under threat." Trouble is, BLM spend half their time projecting holograms of flames onto houses.
Black Lives Matter ORGANISATION is hijacking the Black Lives Matter MOVEMENT among the common people in order to push their agenda of Marxist, communist, anti heterosexuality, pro-abortion, anti-police, anti-semitic and much more. The organisation is bent on destroying the Judaic-Christian culture and worldview. I apologise for my lack of melanin as a white privileged male. Removed
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06/07/2020 08:51:40 7 13
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For me, the whole BLM movement has opened my eyes. I do not consider myself a racist, and yet the lens of BLM has allowed me to take another look at myself, my words and my actions. So much of the language we use has so much inherent racism baked into it that I can no longer be sure that my actions have always been "Whiter than White." Good luck with BLM, and I hope you see improvement !
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06/07/2020 08:51:40 32 4
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How about viral videos helping to stop knifings and drug dealing amongst the young black community? Or would that be discrimination?
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06/07/2020 08:51:40 31 6
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Over the past 10 years, 163 people have died in or following police custody in England and Wales: 140 were white 13 were black 10 were from other minority ethnic groups. The UK simply does not have the same problem as the US so jumping on the BLM in this country is quite frankly ridiculous ...
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06/07/2020 10:51:40 6 3
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@32 "Over the past 10 yrs, 163 people have died in or following police custody in England and Wales: 140 white,13 black, 10 other ethnic groups. The UK simply does not have the same problem as the US..." (As well as sad) those figures are statistically concerning. Black 'ought' to be about 3-10, other 'ought' to be about 11-23. Though location, income etc. may also be plausible factors...
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06/07/2020 07:51:40 21 2
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Can viral videos stop endemic knife crime?
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24. Posted bylistenon Can viral videos stop endemic knife crime? --- A couple of months ago I would have agreed. The issue is that generations of compounded poverty has driven many people of colour to take desparate actions to feed their famillies. This then becomes further compounded until many coloured young men consider violence to be the only thing they are good at. It can change! Removed
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33. Posted by Mark "The issue is that generations of compounded poverty has driven many people of colour to take desperate actions to feed their families." That is a very naïve view.
24. Posted bylistenon Can viral videos stop endemic knife crime? --- A couple of months ago I would have agreed. The issue is that generations of compounded poverty has driven many people of colour to take desparate actions to feed their famillies. This then becomes further compounded until many coloured young men consider violence to be the only thing they are good at. It can change! Removed
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33. Posted by Mark "The issue is that generations of compounded poverty has driven many people of colour to take desperate actions to feed their families." That is a very naïve view.
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Everybody already thinks black lives matter, unless they're racist. Most people in this country aren't racist, so telling them "black lives matter" is pointless. The rest, who are racist, aren't going to be convinced that black lives matter by people saying "black lives matter"... because they're racist. So the assertion is functionally useless.
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06/07/2020 08:51:40 2 5
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“At some future period, the civilised races of man will exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state as we may hope, than the Caucasian and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.” - Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man.
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06/07/2020 08:51:40 21 3
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Here in UK, when drunken/drugged yobs (of any colour) crash a car in a housing estate & the police confront them, watch what happens when the local fraternity spill out of their front doors with their camera phones. Never mind the damage & the idiots who could have wiped someone out, the important part is intimidating the police full on & looking for any suggestion of 'brutal' restraint.
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06/07/2020 08:51:40 4 19
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The more civilised so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilized races throughout the world.” - Charles Darwin And they continue to teach Darwinism in schools, NO WONDER there IS RAMPANT RACISM in society.
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06/07/2020 08:51:40 21 3
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First of i think there are racist police & police who enjoy violence. However Stats are often misleading. its like stop & search in the UK. The same numbers of black & white are stopped in london despite the small black community. If this was racism you would expect the searches to catch more whites, but stops of black people are 5 times more likely to find drugs or weapons.
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06/07/2020 08:51:40 4 23
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“Of all the problems which will have to be faced in the future, in my opinion, the most difficult will be those concerning the treatment of the inferior races of mankind.” - Leonard Darwin If you want to understand racism you must understand what the Darwin's REALLY TAUGHT. BAN DARWIN and REMOVE HIS STATUES. ONE RACE, THE HUMAN RACE.
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06/07/2020 08:51:40 14 3
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“WHITE NATIONALISTS & BLACK LIVES MATTER: The harder you swing the pendulum one way, the more violently it will swing back.” - A.E. Samaan
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06/07/2020 07:51:40 40 10
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This is why it’s essential for as many police as possible to be given body mounted cameras to protect them from malicious, and false allegations. If they’re wrong, then they deserve what’s coming, but we cannot get to a stage where police are reluctant to stop or even speak to a person who’s skin colour isn’t white. Your skin colour cannot be used as a “ free pass “, although some would like this.
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06/07/2020 08:51:40 10 6
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@22 DMT This is why it’s essential for as many police as possible to be given body mounted cameras to protect them from malicious, and false allegations. Not all allegations are malicious or false, though this can take time to know. It took the Metropolitan police nearly 29 years to apologise for shooting Dorothy "Cherry" Groce causing lethal injuries. No charge of murder. Why not? Black?
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06/07/2020 11:51:40 8 0
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@42 Chris Not all allegations are malicious or false, though this can take time to know. It took the Metropolitan police nearly 29 years to apologise for shooting Dorothy "Cherry" Groce causing lethal injuries.“ Yes, you’ve actually agreed with me Chris. Had Police involved at the time been wearing body worn cameras it surely would not have taken 29 years, for apologies prosecutions
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06/07/2020 08:51:40 2 4
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“Social Darwinism had continued to flourish in Germany. Together with Mendelian genetics, it was widely thought to provide a scientific basis for the eugenic ‘Racial Hygiene’ movement.” - Jonathan Glover, Humanity: A Moral History of the Twentieth Century
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06/07/2020 08:51:40 11 3
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Until people stop in fighting amongst themselves & start pulling together,little will change whatever the cause. The system has most of the population beaten down & wants to keep it that way,Its divide and conquer.Everyone is playing their game and losing as they shout "My cause is greater than yours,I AM the GREATEST VICTIM!" alienating everyone else with their venom as they shout 2 B heard.
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06/07/2020 08:51:40 39 4
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Love the attacks on Darwin. The fact he was taught racism and grew up in a racist world doesn't make him less of a genius. Every human born is conditioned by the society they grow up in. In much of Africa Albinos are murdered because the witch doctors believe their body parts can make incredible potions. Mandela grew up in such a community, should we then condemn all his achievements?
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06/07/2020 08:51:40 2 18
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FULL TITLE. THIS GARBAGE IS TAUGHT IN THE SCHOOLS. "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the PRESERVATION OF FAVOURED RACES in the struggle for life." Published on 24 November 1859. Scientific literature by Charles Darwin. Considered to be the foundation of evolutionary biology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species
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col
06/07/2020 09:51:40 21 5
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I wish we had cameras back in the 70's. My parents are british & irish. I was born in Zambia. Because they were white they weren't allowed to host gatherings of more than 6. Mum was attacked in the hospital, for being white. I was 4 when our dog barked at a police man who then threatend to shoot me because a white mans dog shouldn't bark at a black man. Racism goes both ways.
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06/07/2020 09:51:40 3 6
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"Biological arguments for racism may have been common before 1850, but they increased by orders of magnitude following the acceptance of evolution . The litany is familiar:...modern science shows us races can be ranked on a scale of superiority. If this offends Christian morality or a sentimental belief in human unity, so be it; science must be free to proclaim unpleasant truths." S J Gould.
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06/07/2020 09:51:40 2 4
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“Darwin’s On the Origin of Species, with its brutally materialist account of nature as bleak survivalism, was made to serve as justification for the extermination of Namibian tribes and, later, for Hitler’s biological anti-Semitism.” Ian Thompson, review of The Kaiser’s Holocaust: Germany’s Forgotten Genocide and the Colonial Roots of Nazism.....
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06/07/2020 09:51:40 7 3
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Anyone else find it funny that the Conservatives in the USA have banged on about the "police state" or "tyranny" for decades then the moment a group of people start protesting against it they do a 180 and change their mind. It's almost as if there is something about the protesters that the Conservatives don't like, some sort of characteristic they have, a skin type maybe...
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06/07/2020 09:51:40 20 4
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Filming can work both ways. A recent video of a white policemen trying to subdue a black man, accused of assault, who was then attacked along with a female police colleague by several black passers by, showed a conflicting story of black racism and I am sure did not put BLM in a good light amongst the white community, who see that police as essential in maintaining and order.
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06/07/2020 10:51:40 21 4
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Thank goodness for the extraordinary restraint and professionalism of the British Police- and hence why deaths in police custody in the UK are incredibly rare and usually as a consequence of self intoxication via drink or drugs.
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My children raped, battered, abused, terrorised, gagged - all with the help of police officers. Ten years of exposing it, with cover up after cover up by police , cps, judiciary. You only say things about police because you have no experience. What has happened to my family is known all the way to Pity Patel and Boris - and covered up. Germany 1935, this stuff was legal as well then. Removed
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06/07/2020 10:51:40 19 4
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This is the sort of nonsense that questions the credibility of these movements; https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/53301318 There are more holes in this claim than a colander. Why would you film yourselves deliberately driving away from the police & refusing to get out of the car if you didn't have a particular agenda? Or is it a case of 'You should know I'm more important than the law'?
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06/07/2020 10:51:40 5 5
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@54 Steve-To This is the sort of nonsense that questions the credibility of these movements; -- The article doesn't mention the athletes filming anything. It's more likely they were Driving While Black, which is the basis of their complaint. What holes are there in their (very simple) claim - stopped & handcuffed for 45 minutes? One incident does not question the credibility of anything
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06/07/2020 00:51:40 33 28
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It is Police who need to Stop Police Brutality.Stop their cowardly, mob-handed, heavily armed,ultra-agressive ways & learn how to be human & compassionaite. If the Police are too thick to understand, then get the people who recruit & teach them to re - educate & re - evaluate the way they do things. YES, These mobile phone footages are needed & crucial, but change has to begin from the Cops.
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06/07/2020 10:51:40 6 4
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@1 - not necessarily thick, but perhaps know their actions are unaccountable, even when filmed "This video transfixed people because of the callous nature of the killing coupled with the brazen nature of the police, who knew they were being filmed and still did it anyway" @2 - terrified? Rodney King didn't appear much of a threat. Pretending to be in fear, after the fact, to avoid charges.
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06/07/2020 06:51:40 10 16
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12. Sterotype-Your comments are better than mine and express the BBC perfectly. BUT what can you expect from the BBC who employ these brainwashed graduates from university whose lecturers had been "schooled" in the arts of Marxist anarchist subversion? So we get this attack day after day by the BBC ,who don't want to distinguish between our police and their brutal USA equivalents.
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06/07/2020 10:51:40 9 3
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@18 brainwashed graduates from university whose lecturers had been "schooled" in the arts of Marxist anarchist subversion? -- Are you insane or just trolling? Do you seriously suggest that Universities are indoctrination centres for a deep, c19th conspiracy? Have none of the Conservatine MPs, Lords, or voters been to university - or are they Manchurian Candidates, too?
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06/07/2020 10:51:40 19 4
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This is the sort of nonsense that questions the credibility of these movements; https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/53301318 There are more holes in this claim than a colander. Why would you film yourselves deliberately driving away from the police & refusing to get out of the car if you didn't have a particular agenda? Or is it a case of 'You should know I'm more important than the law'?
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06/07/2020 10:51:40 5 5
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@54 Steve-To This is the sort of nonsense that questions the credibility of these movements; -- The article doesn't mention the athletes filming anything. It's more likely they were Driving While Black, which is the basis of their complaint. What holes are there in their (very simple) claim - stopped & handcuffed for 45 minutes? One incident does not question the credibility of anything
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06/07/2020 10:51:40 14 3
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57. Posted by DidYouEvenReadTheArticle The article doesn't mention the athletes filming anything. It's more likely they were Driving While Black, which is the basis of their complaint. ----- Look a little further afield & you'll find the footage. Furthermore, if you're going to kick off & refuse to be compliant, you're rightly considered unpredictable & possibly have something to hide.
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06/07/2020 11:51:40 23 5
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@57 No, the police state that they were driving on the wrong side of the road and attempted to drive away at speed once asked to stop. This culture of claiming "police brutality" every time anyone is stopped is pathetic. Could the police be wrong, of course, and it should be investigated, however, the media are desperate for "police brutality" stories right now.
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06/07/2020 11:51:40 11 3
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"57. Posted by DidYouEvenReadTheArticle The article doesn't mention the athletes filming anything. It's more likely they were Driving While Black, which is the basis of their complaint." In a car with tinted windows, which was also a reason the were stopped. Pretty amazing ability to judge race through a tinted window?
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06/07/2020 08:51:40 31 6
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Over the past 10 years, 163 people have died in or following police custody in England and Wales: 140 were white 13 were black 10 were from other minority ethnic groups. The UK simply does not have the same problem as the US so jumping on the BLM in this country is quite frankly ridiculous ...
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@32 "Over the past 10 yrs, 163 people have died in or following police custody in England and Wales: 140 white,13 black, 10 other ethnic groups. The UK simply does not have the same problem as the US..." (As well as sad) those figures are statistically concerning. Black 'ought' to be about 3-10, other 'ought' to be about 11-23. Though location, income etc. may also be plausible factors...
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06/07/2020 10:51:40 5 5
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@54 Steve-To This is the sort of nonsense that questions the credibility of these movements; -- The article doesn't mention the athletes filming anything. It's more likely they were Driving While Black, which is the basis of their complaint. What holes are there in their (very simple) claim - stopped & handcuffed for 45 minutes? One incident does not question the credibility of anything
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57. Posted by DidYouEvenReadTheArticle The article doesn't mention the athletes filming anything. It's more likely they were Driving While Black, which is the basis of their complaint. ----- Look a little further afield & you'll find the footage. Furthermore, if you're going to kick off & refuse to be compliant, you're rightly considered unpredictable & possibly have something to hide.
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06/07/2020 10:51:40 5 5
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@54 Steve-To This is the sort of nonsense that questions the credibility of these movements; -- The article doesn't mention the athletes filming anything. It's more likely they were Driving While Black, which is the basis of their complaint. What holes are there in their (very simple) claim - stopped & handcuffed for 45 minutes? One incident does not question the credibility of anything
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06/07/2020 11:51:40 23 5
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@57 No, the police state that they were driving on the wrong side of the road and attempted to drive away at speed once asked to stop. This culture of claiming "police brutality" every time anyone is stopped is pathetic. Could the police be wrong, of course, and it should be investigated, however, the media are desperate for "police brutality" stories right now.
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06/07/2020 11:51:40 5 0
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#60 How do you drive on the wrong side of the road when there is only enough room for one car to drive down the road (due to parking) in the first place? That seems to be the claim of the athletes, no idea if it is true, but in London it is certainly believable
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06/07/2020 11:51:40 6 2
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gen1rev22 - multiple posts I don’t really know what argument you’re trying to make by posting a whole load of quotes from racists being racist but I suspect you’re secretly delighted to have the excuse to do so. It is quite possible to have elucidated evolutionary theory and still be stupidly racist. It is quite possible to have invented html and not be responsible for online criminality.
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06/07/2020 11:51:40 23 5
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@57 No, the police state that they were driving on the wrong side of the road and attempted to drive away at speed once asked to stop. This culture of claiming "police brutality" every time anyone is stopped is pathetic. Could the police be wrong, of course, and it should be investigated, however, the media are desperate for "police brutality" stories right now.
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06/07/2020 11:51:40 5 0
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#60 How do you drive on the wrong side of the road when there is only enough room for one car to drive down the road (due to parking) in the first place? That seems to be the claim of the athletes, no idea if it is true, but in London it is certainly believable
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06/07/2020 14:05:09 6 0
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62. Justin150 - "That seems to be the claim of the athletes, no idea if it is true..." No... they were very careful to say that there was "... only enough room for one car" where they were stopped. Note that they haven't denied being on the wrong side of the road before being stopped.
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And of course we very rarely, if at all get to see mobile phone footage of the incident in the preceding minute leading up to any use of force by the police. A commotion, a crowd gathers, people start to get there mobiles out just as the police have started to use force. Queue Youtube videos about the brutal police. In no way do I defend what happened to George Floyd which was just pure wrong.
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06/07/2020 11:51:40 7 3
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There should never be deaths while being arrested or incarcerated! Our whole systems defend the police and treat them as sacrosanct; they are just ordinary people with not enough training to do their jobs; they are there to protect! Of course they are racist or sexist or hate homosexuals etc. just like a proportion of the population - they need educating as does the whole population!
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06/07/2020 08:51:40 10 6
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@22 DMT This is why it’s essential for as many police as possible to be given body mounted cameras to protect them from malicious, and false allegations. Not all allegations are malicious or false, though this can take time to know. It took the Metropolitan police nearly 29 years to apologise for shooting Dorothy "Cherry" Groce causing lethal injuries. No charge of murder. Why not? Black?
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06/07/2020 11:51:40 8 0
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@42 Chris Not all allegations are malicious or false, though this can take time to know. It took the Metropolitan police nearly 29 years to apologise for shooting Dorothy "Cherry" Groce causing lethal injuries.“ Yes, you’ve actually agreed with me Chris. Had Police involved at the time been wearing body worn cameras it surely would not have taken 29 years, for apologies prosecutions
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06/07/2020 11:51:40 13 8
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Oh great, more metropolitan identity politics from the BBC. We are not the USA. We aren't even close to having a problem like the USA. White people in UK are more likely to be killed by police per capita than any other group. Yes, the injustices should be sought out. But the attributing every case to racism is lazy.
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06/07/2020 13:31:40 5 3
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@68 Chuckles47 "White people in UK are more likely to be killed by police per capita than any other group." https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122775/deaths-in-police-custody-in-the-uk-2019-by-ethnicity/ shows white people evenly represented (85% v 86%), Asians under-represented (3% v 8%) and Blacks over-represented (8% v 3%) in deaths in custody - but maybe you have a better source?
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@54 Steve-To This is the sort of nonsense that questions the credibility of these movements; -- The article doesn't mention the athletes filming anything. It's more likely they were Driving While Black, which is the basis of their complaint. What holes are there in their (very simple) claim - stopped & handcuffed for 45 minutes? One incident does not question the credibility of anything
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"57. Posted by DidYouEvenReadTheArticle The article doesn't mention the athletes filming anything. It's more likely they were Driving While Black, which is the basis of their complaint." In a car with tinted windows, which was also a reason the were stopped. Pretty amazing ability to judge race through a tinted window?
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06/07/2020 12:51:40 13 9
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My goodness the BBC news page is saturated, absolutely SATURATED with this type of stuff
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Dear BBC. Kindly stop stirring the pot. The majority of people, just want to struggle through life, without the ascertation we're all racist. Thank you
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06/07/2020 12:53:40 10 6
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I've experienced rasicim myself.....from black people and Asian people.
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06/07/2020 14:06:22 4 8
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@73 "I've experienced rasicim myself…from black people and Asian people." You should get that tattoo removed from your forehead
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06/07/2020 14:22:09 1 1
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@73 Did your meeting with Priti Patel and James Cleverly go badly then Dorothy? And I bet those awful Welsh people in shops in Wales, particularly small villages in the North of the nation, 'switched' to speaking Welsh when you walked in their shop or pub, eh? Time for a break from HYS for a few weeks. Becoming once again ashamed of the unthinking uncaring citizens of the UK. Shameful.
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06/07/2020 13:18:40 2 7
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"I do not agree that the dog in the manger has the ... right to the manger ... I do not admit ... a ... wrong has been done to these people [Red Indians of America or black people of Australia] by ... a stronger, ... higher grade ... worldly-wise race ... [coming] in and tak[ing] their place." W Churchill, Peel Comm. Inq.,1937. Yet this man is idolised, celebrated and defended? Shame. #BLM
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06/07/2020 11:51:40 13 8
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Oh great, more metropolitan identity politics from the BBC. We are not the USA. We aren't even close to having a problem like the USA. White people in UK are more likely to be killed by police per capita than any other group. Yes, the injustices should be sought out. But the attributing every case to racism is lazy.
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@68 Chuckles47 "White people in UK are more likely to be killed by police per capita than any other group." https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122775/deaths-in-police-custody-in-the-uk-2019-by-ethnicity/ shows white people evenly represented (85% v 86%), Asians under-represented (3% v 8%) and Blacks over-represented (8% v 3%) in deaths in custody - but maybe you have a better source?
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06/07/2020 13:49:40 5 0
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@75. Posted by Francis Norton It's important to note that you are both referencing different stats one Is "death whilst in police custody" and the other is "killed by police" i.e not in custody but during the execution of policing duties.
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@68 Chuckles47 "White people in UK are more likely to be killed by police per capita than any other group." https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122775/deaths-in-police-custody-in-the-uk-2019-by-ethnicity/ shows white people evenly represented (85% v 86%), Asians under-represented (3% v 8%) and Blacks over-represented (8% v 3%) in deaths in custody - but maybe you have a better source?
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06/07/2020 13:49:40 5 0
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@75. Posted by Francis Norton It's important to note that you are both referencing different stats one Is "death whilst in police custody" and the other is "killed by police" i.e not in custody but during the execution of policing duties.
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06/07/2020 14:00:46 13 6
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More stirring the pot from the BBC. They assume that every time a non white person is stopped by the police it's not just racist, it's RACIST..... I notice Bianca Williams had her phone and camera app at the ready while playing the victim. And now her "heart hurts", what a load of scripted old tosh for social media and the media. Sounds like she's desperate for likes.
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#60 How do you drive on the wrong side of the road when there is only enough room for one car to drive down the road (due to parking) in the first place? That seems to be the claim of the athletes, no idea if it is true, but in London it is certainly believable
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06/07/2020 14:05:09 6 0
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62. Justin150 - "That seems to be the claim of the athletes, no idea if it is true..." No... they were very careful to say that there was "... only enough room for one car" where they were stopped. Note that they haven't denied being on the wrong side of the road before being stopped.
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06/07/2020 14:05:09 7 0
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"Can viral videos stop police brutality?" I don't think it will "stop" it, but if it helps bring violent offenders to justice and doesn't infringe on anyone's rights or break the law in doing so, then I don't think it's a bad thing. People upholding the law should adhere to it, not hide from it.
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06/07/2020 14:06:40 14 3
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In the UK a black person is statistically more likely to be killed by another black person than they are by the police. Just ask the Mayor of London.
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06/07/2020 12:53:40 10 6
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I've experienced rasicim myself.....from black people and Asian people.
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06/07/2020 14:06:22 4 8
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@73 "I've experienced rasicim myself…from black people and Asian people." You should get that tattoo removed from your forehead
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06/07/2020 14:11:23 11 5
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And does it record attacks on Police by coloured people, who also use their colour to bait the Police and then scream the Race Card out aloud?
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06/07/2020 14:15:46 5 0
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Sadly, the police being the "agency of last resort", many "deaths in police custody" arise out of the detention of ill or mentally-disordered people for whom there is no other acute care immediately available, but who cannot be left on their own. No criticism of the NHS or of social care intended: both are desperately under-funded and suffering the ill-effects of political interference.
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06/07/2020 14:18:27 11 4
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Viral videos are dangerous. Say, for example, I go up to a policeman and punch him. If someone videos that, and the policeman hitting me back (he's perfectly entitled to defend himself), the officer is in the clear. Edit out where I punch him first, and you simply have a video of a policeman hitting me. I consider all smartphone footage posted on social media as being extremely unreliable.
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06/07/2020 14:28:28 2 7
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@85 "I go up to a policeman and punch him. If someone videos that, and the policeman hitting me back (he's perfectly entitled to defend himself), the officer is in the clear. Edit out where I punch him first, and you simply have a video of a policeman hitting me." Hitting someone back is not self defence and the officer would be committing an offence He must subdue you with minimum force
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06/07/2020 14:21:09 11 2
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Wonder if it was used to record the riotous behaviour in SW London recently when up to 20 police officers were injured by a baying mob, of which the BBC did not want to report about.
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06/07/2020 12:53:40 10 6
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I've experienced rasicim myself.....from black people and Asian people.
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06/07/2020 14:22:09 1 1
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@73 Did your meeting with Priti Patel and James Cleverly go badly then Dorothy? And I bet those awful Welsh people in shops in Wales, particularly small villages in the North of the nation, 'switched' to speaking Welsh when you walked in their shop or pub, eh? Time for a break from HYS for a few weeks. Becoming once again ashamed of the unthinking uncaring citizens of the UK. Shameful.
We need a serious medical study into methods of restraint before conveniently cataloguing every case as brutality. It isn't unusual for several officers to pin down a white offender to the point of kneeling on them to deter spitting & biting, yet their main injury is normally a bruised ego. I'm convinced that black people are more vulnerable to the same methods & not just over-zealous policing. Removed
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06/07/2020 02:51:40 77 5
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You need to differentiate from events in America to events in Britain. They're poles apart. British Police are accountable and are prosecuted. American Police hide behind Qualified Immunity from prosecution which allows them to function in the way that they do. When a cop pulls a gun for someone failing to stop a red light, you've got an institutional problem. Far different to events in the UK
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06/07/2020 14:26:32 3 9
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@3 You need to look at the UK Police abuse of powers on Youtube. UK Police, as in the US, do what they want when they want. Even caught on camera abuse (youtube) is difficult to get before a judge because the CPS play their part in refusing to prosecute the Police.
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06/07/2020 14:26:32 3 3
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If people comment with reasoned, balanced arguments, then this is fine. Such debate is welcome, healthy and useful. But if people comment with things such as "What about white lives?" and "What about criminal violence?" and "There's no problem - just what the media hypes up!" then this is evidence of the very real underlying problem in the USA, and to a lesser (thankfully) extent in the UK.
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06/07/2020 14:26:55 11 0
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Viral videos of police abuse in America shouldn't be comparative of our own police here in the UK. The average British bobby is not armed and of the ones I have met they are very polite. Even on the BBC Traffic Cops documentary, they call the villains "sir". They are more like social workers here.
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06/07/2020 14:32:06 10 0
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I support the police There are a very few bad officers but the vast majority do a good job. And on many occasions they go beyond the line of duty Law and order. Freedom of expression for all
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06/07/2020 15:04:26 3 1
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93. sounds I support the police There are a very few bad officers but the vast majority do a good job. _ The US police have 13-19 weeks training, compared to UK of 18, but of course all police carry guns, as do a lot of citizens in the US.... so everyone, both sides, is a potential lethal threat/trigger happy/over-zealous Therewith the problem, I think
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06/07/2020 14:33:06 7 2
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In this case, if the car had not been on wrong side of the road and had not failed to stop for the Police, certain things would not have happened. The car would not have been pulled over, there would not have been the need for confrontation caused by the occupants.. AND who was the one who grabbed the lady Police Officer whilst the officer was saying "No.No. No."
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06/07/2020 14:35:08 5 0
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Just to clarify on my 88 post due to lack of space, Floyd's killing was totally inexcusable, as this officer could easily have kneeled lightly between his shoulder blades being as Floyd was cuffed. As for shooting an unarmed person, even if absconding, is on a breathtaking level.
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06/07/2020 14:18:27 11 4
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Viral videos are dangerous. Say, for example, I go up to a policeman and punch him. If someone videos that, and the policeman hitting me back (he's perfectly entitled to defend himself), the officer is in the clear. Edit out where I punch him first, and you simply have a video of a policeman hitting me. I consider all smartphone footage posted on social media as being extremely unreliable.
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06/07/2020 14:28:28 2 7
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@85 "I go up to a policeman and punch him. If someone videos that, and the policeman hitting me back (he's perfectly entitled to defend himself), the officer is in the clear. Edit out where I punch him first, and you simply have a video of a policeman hitting me." Hitting someone back is not self defence and the officer would be committing an offence He must subdue you with minimum force
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06/07/2020 14:53:49 7 2
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96. bigmowlay "Hitting someone back is not self defence and the officer would be committing an offence He must subdue you with minimum force" _ That is, in a nutshell, how ludicrous a country we now live in. If a policeman can't fight back if attacked, the lunatics have taken over the asylum. That anyone agrees with that (other than criminals wanting an 'advantage'?) defies belief.
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06/07/2020 14:37:29 5 0
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Smartphone footage is far too easy to edit and so fake. It takes seconds to edit video clips and upload them to social media. Such footage shouldn't be admissible in court unless it's been thoroughly scrutinised by independent experts for any fakery. And any attempt at such tampering which could cost someone their job / reputation should carry a hefty sentence.
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06/07/2020 14:37:29 3 2
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The British police are not responsible for the death of George Floyd. Just wanted to get that off my chest. 13 black people have died in police custody in the last ten years in this country. Guesshowmy
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06/07/2020 14:45:04 8 3
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The British police are not responsible for the death of George Floyd. Just wanted to get that off my chest. 13 black people have died in police custody in the last ten years in this country. Guess how many black people have been stabbed by black people over the same period in this country? Clue; it is in the thousands.
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06/07/2020 14:28:28 2 7
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@85 "I go up to a policeman and punch him. If someone videos that, and the policeman hitting me back (he's perfectly entitled to defend himself), the officer is in the clear. Edit out where I punch him first, and you simply have a video of a policeman hitting me." Hitting someone back is not self defence and the officer would be committing an offence He must subdue you with minimum force
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96. bigmowlay "Hitting someone back is not self defence and the officer would be committing an offence He must subdue you with minimum force" _ That is, in a nutshell, how ludicrous a country we now live in. If a policeman can't fight back if attacked, the lunatics have taken over the asylum. That anyone agrees with that (other than criminals wanting an 'advantage'?) defies belief.