Sanzaar & Six Nations teams in talks to plan out global rugby union calendar
22/05/2020 | sport | rugbyunion | 265
Sanzaar and the Six Nations - which represent the biggest 10 international teams in world rugby - are working together to align the global calendar.
Another attempt by the corrupt World Rugby to steal the funds of 6 Nations and redistribute to the Southern Hemisphere. It's always been what they wanted... Now we have rugby controlled by Investment Funds, you can be sure that the interests of players and the game will be secondary to returning dividends to shareholders. Professionalism has not made the game I love better! Removed
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22/05/2020 14:24:34 3 1
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1 game 1 world. About time common sense overtook self interest
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22/05/2020 10:16:47 3 3
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2 Hemispheres, Spring and Autumn then?
This is zero news. BBC please try harder. Removed
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22/05/2020 10:21:20 43 2
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Don't think the Mrs is going too be too pleased if rugby moves to the summer. 2 Week holiday in France will be based on the fixture list.
England 12 - 32 South Africa. Never forget. ?? Removed
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22/05/2020 10:26:12 73 5
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What about Japan?
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22/05/2020 13:17:06 3 2
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6N must stay in it’s time slot - it’s as much a social gathering as a sporting one . Then sort out domestic/European blocks to get rid of stop/start. How about season starts with Eur cups played to conclusion, then internationals leading to 6N then domestic. Cups should be development pro teams only plus top amateur/semipro clubs Which could be played at same time as European
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22/05/2020 10:28:44 7 4
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Not sure this will work. Club rugby will suffer greatly and become unbalanced due to International call ups (bad enough already for top players at some clubs being absent). Rugby has not got the financial 'clout' and only TV money and better sponsorship could the game sustain a mass realignment - but again will the life blood of the game suffer as a result? Anything worth a go I suppose.
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22/05/2020 10:32:26 10 7
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Crazy! Summer in the NH is winter in the SH! Change for changes sake is daft!
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22/05/2020 10:32:26 9 1
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As much as I miss watching the game, I would rather parties ensure that there is programme in place to ensure everyone's safety is maintained. If that means a restart gets pushed back, then so be it
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22/05/2020 10:33:37 16 15
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How many votes will the English and French teams want on this?
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22/05/2020 10:38:30 9 8
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Makes perfect sense. Now is the time to do it. The standard of rugby will benefit the NH teams if they play in their summer months. It will be more appealing to spectators too. Id rather watch a match in warm weather rather than a wet honking winter night!
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22/05/2020 10:39:30 63 6
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"The 10 top international teams are working to align the world calendar following the coronavirus disruption." Talk about blindness of those at the RFU. Its not the international games where the problem is its at the feeder end of the game where they need to concentrate before there are no quality players coming through. Schools don't bring on players, small clubs are going bust, they need help
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22/05/2020 10:39:30 39 4
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It will all boil down to money, how can they make the most. Player welfare will be an afterthought.
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22/05/2020 10:40:01 133 1
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The cheapening of International Rugby continues with the desire to have more games. When will they understand that it's rareity that makes games between nations interesting. As they become more ubiquitous they lose value. The 'club' game is where the week in, week out plays out - it should be most of the games played and it should be sacrosanct. Without is there is no intenational game.
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22/05/2020 10:41:31 11 6
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If this is going to work, then the SH are going to have to make concessions. They can no longer come to the table and say we play the better rugby and bring the most money into the sport so play to our demands. P.S. no shaking of the money tin either. If Rugby Champ or SR is struggling financially, that's not the 6 Nations' problem
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22/05/2020 10:42:12 11 1
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If they can pull it off safely there's no doubt folks would be up for watching this contest. Hopefully it won't relegate Lions tours to latter day FA cup status though.
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22/05/2020 10:42:12 172 23
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Just as long as the IRB doesn't mess with the 6 Nations. Keep it as it is, keep it subscription free and keep Italy in, as I love my trip to Rome every other February. The 6Ns is the best rugby tournament in the world and does not need to change.
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22/05/2020 12:02:35 2 7
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@17. So we have to have a poor side in the 6N every year just so you can have your trip to Rome? Like it or not the virus has almost ensured some of the 6N will be subscription. They need the money. I don’t like it but it’s the new reality.
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sid
22/05/2020 13:10:32 1 5
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Dai Quietly @17 The 6 Nations might be the best rugby tournament in the world but it is not as good as the 5 Nations would be without Italy. If you want to go to Rome every other February there is nothing to stop you
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22/05/2020 10:43:23 10 3
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High time pro rugby goes off on its own. Tests, provinces, regions, pro clubs go one way - global season - with their own laws to suit TV and guaranteed financial contribution to be made to grass-roots rugby. Then leave grass-roots as it is playing Sept-Apr. but with law revisions to de-power it and make it once more suitable for normal working man who can enjoy other summer sports too.
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22/05/2020 10:43:53 10 25
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"Sanzaar"? Seriously? Why does everything have to go down the route of "Brexit" and "EFL": abbreviated to appeal to the lowest-common denominator?
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22/05/2020 10:45:03 48 1
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Nice ideals, but sadly missing the reality that professional sport relies on Revenue to exist at all. The men's game in NH is now struggling financially already. However it's also expected to subsidise the southern hemisphere unions and effectively the womens game worldwide too! Great in an ideal world, but how long is it possible when the game's foundation (the clubs) are already at risk?
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22/05/2020 10:45:44 86 4
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I think Japan, Fiji, Georgia, and Tonga might have something to say about Italy be classed as a top 10 team, as they're currently ranked 14! It's the 2nd tier that need the help.
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AG
22/05/2020 10:46:34 36 9
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Japan, Fiji, Samoa, Georgia will be delighted! Southern hemisphere sides looking for a slice of 6N revenues to bolster their funds must be resisted.
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22/05/2020 10:47:15 17 2
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If there aren't decisions made regarding the bottom end of the game then many small clubs, if not bust by now will go bust before the new season. This is where young players are brought on and improve once they have gone, there will be no small clubs especially in the North who worked on a shoestring before this shut down. The Rugby Football Union needs to change NOW IS THE TIME!!
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22/05/2020 10:47:35 9 22
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The last time I looked South Africa the World Champions are in the Southern Hemisphere. Just an observation!
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22/05/2020 11:36:31 8 3
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@24 - the last time I looked,Sanzaar nations don't have any money,and the 6N does - lots of it.Just an observation!
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22/05/2020 10:50:57 6 13
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It makes sense to have seasons align. You could then have the season ending game or the curtain raiser by Super Rugby vs Heineken as a world championship game. Bit like world club challenge in league. You would get better crowds at midweek fixtures in summer as well. You could even incorporate the 6 nations as all the teams in the NH play each other
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22/05/2020 10:51:27 13 5
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"the statement added that a global calendar would "improve player welfare" and "improve narrative and competitiveness of international and domestic competitions around clear windows"." Rubbish and again its being done at the expense of the Pacific nations including Japan. Yet again player welfare is being bounced around when the truth is this is all about money. Don't fix what's not broken.
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22/05/2020 10:54:28 2 5
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World league to be announced maybe?
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22/05/2020 10:59:31 8 3
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Of all major sports,Rugby will be the last to return to normal. Can't see club rugby returning this side of Xmas. Can't see the Pro game surviving with the current format. No point in rebuilding the roof,if the foundations are subsiding.
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22/05/2020 11:02:53 14 5
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@28 Amateur Rugby was better anyway - the game was far quicker and more enjoyable.
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22/05/2020 11:02:23 10 2
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Why is there an urgent need to change any of this right now? This was rejected a couple of years ago - seems like they're taking advantage of the current pandemic to push through this agenda.
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22/05/2020 10:59:31 8 3
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Of all major sports,Rugby will be the last to return to normal. Can't see club rugby returning this side of Xmas. Can't see the Pro game surviving with the current format. No point in rebuilding the roof,if the foundations are subsiding.
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22/05/2020 11:02:53 14 5
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@28 Amateur Rugby was better anyway - the game was far quicker and more enjoyable.
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22/05/2020 11:04:24 6 2
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This is about the structure of the international game once rugby resumes, not about the resumption. For that facile argument go to the football threads!
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22/05/2020 11:05:24 7 0
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So the proposal looks like 6n to March April, nh summer tours to October and sh nov tours continue. Looks ok provided summer stays as international player rest period (A squads tour tier 2/3s poss?) but how will clubs react to league and epcr tournament adjustments? Then again, money talks...
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22/05/2020 11:07:06 16 6
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Why is a global calendar going to solve rugby's problems? Shifting the 6 N's by a month and the Rugby Championship by what ever isn't going to change the fact that players are playing too many games and rugby isn't generating the revenue it requires.
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22/05/2020 11:08:06 8 8
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Im sure the anglofrench world rugby organisation will do whats right for the top14 and premiership,and i dare say everyone else will just have to suck it up
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22/05/2020 11:32:29 10 3
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@34 - That's because England and France are the ones with the money,so if southern hemisphere national teams want a slice of that money pie,they will indeed have to suck it up.
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22/05/2020 11:21:23 9 7
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Stop messing with the international calendar,there is nothing wrong with it ,it is the feeder clubs ,the bread and butter that needs help at the present time ,clubs go under ,no internationals ,no rugby ,simple ??
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22/05/2020 11:26:06 13 0
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We all have to use this current situation to make changes as required. I know working from home is likely to be the norm rather than the exception moving forward. Likewise all sports need to use this current situation, so calendar changes seem a sensible discussion, as do some basic law changes, and indeed actually agreeing to ref the laws that currently exist.
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22/05/2020 11:08:06 8 8
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Im sure the anglofrench world rugby organisation will do whats right for the top14 and premiership,and i dare say everyone else will just have to suck it up
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22/05/2020 11:32:29 10 3
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@34 - That's because England and France are the ones with the money,so if southern hemisphere national teams want a slice of that money pie,they will indeed have to suck it up.
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22/05/2020 10:47:35 9 22
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The last time I looked South Africa the World Champions are in the Southern Hemisphere. Just an observation!
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22/05/2020 11:36:31 8 3
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@24 - the last time I looked,Sanzaar nations don't have any money,and the 6N does - lots of it.Just an observation!
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22/05/2020 11:37:42 28 4
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Four tests for me tp see if the outcome works: 1. Rugby is a winter game. The NH games must play in the winter 2. Tier 2 access - they cannot be stitched up. 3. Player welfare - they must have a break 4. Lions - there must be a sensible place in the calendar for this. As for the laws - less substitutes, bring back rucking and no pushing before the ball goes straight into a scrum
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22/05/2020 11:42:14 9 0
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@39 Mark T - Sorry but that is far too sensible. You've made the mistake of thinking that this is about the fans or players - this is about the unions and money (anyone interested should look into CVC's role in all of this).
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22/05/2020 11:50:49 3 3
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@39. It's a winter game, the SH games must play in winter.
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22/05/2020 11:40:23 20 1
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Rugby is a winter game, in both hemispheres. The problem arises when the two try to come together for tournaments. The other issue, money, is down to physical & TV audiences and, apart from the 6N, the SH Championship, the World Cup and the Lions tours, there simply isn't an audience. The game's mandarins are chasing money that isn't there and they're going to wreck the game in the process!
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SLR
22/05/2020 11:41:24 6 0
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There is too much competitive rugby at the lower level, we don't need club competing for league, cups and then European rugby. Rugby is a little different to other sports in that you need at least a goof ten days rest for the body to completely repair. So many top players have shorter careers now because of the over-training, too many matches and not enough rest.
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22/05/2020 11:37:42 28 4
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Four tests for me tp see if the outcome works: 1. Rugby is a winter game. The NH games must play in the winter 2. Tier 2 access - they cannot be stitched up. 3. Player welfare - they must have a break 4. Lions - there must be a sensible place in the calendar for this. As for the laws - less substitutes, bring back rucking and no pushing before the ball goes straight into a scrum
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22/05/2020 11:42:14 9 0
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@39 Mark T - Sorry but that is far too sensible. You've made the mistake of thinking that this is about the fans or players - this is about the unions and money (anyone interested should look into CVC's role in all of this).
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22/05/2020 11:45:36 5 5
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Difficult to do as a lot of Rugby fans are traditionalists and dont want the game to move with times.
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22/05/2020 12:33:12 4 0
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43. Posted byRistyon Difficult to do as a lot of Rugby fans are traditionalists and dont want the game to move with times. 47. Posted bydaveyon 37 minutes ago "46. Posted by Dr-Fish @39. It's a winter game, the SH games must play in winter. " It is a game, adapt or dissapear. Yeah it is the fault of the people who are prepared to spend time and money on the sport they love.
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SCJ
22/05/2020 11:48:48 56 3
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Bring back PROPER tours ! We don't need to see NZ, SA and Australia every year so go back to the days when you had one team tour over here per season and let them play a full slate of games against the top clubs, regions and provinces. If the Boks are only at Twickenham once every 4-5 years then it's more special as it's an event to look forward to rather than, as now, 'Ho hum, South Africa again'
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22/05/2020 11:50:09 2 3
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Nothing like reaming the teir 2 nations Well done Bill
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22/05/2020 11:37:42 28 4
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Four tests for me tp see if the outcome works: 1. Rugby is a winter game. The NH games must play in the winter 2. Tier 2 access - they cannot be stitched up. 3. Player welfare - they must have a break 4. Lions - there must be a sensible place in the calendar for this. As for the laws - less substitutes, bring back rucking and no pushing before the ball goes straight into a scrum
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22/05/2020 11:50:49 3 3
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@39. It's a winter game, the SH games must play in winter.
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22/05/2020 11:53:10 3 1
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"46. Posted by Dr-Fish on 1 minute ago @39. It's a winter game, the SH games must play in winter. " It is a game, adapt or dissapear.
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22/05/2020 11:50:49 3 3
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@39. It's a winter game, the SH games must play in winter.
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22/05/2020 11:53:10 3 1
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"46. Posted by Dr-Fish on 1 minute ago @39. It's a winter game, the SH games must play in winter. " It is a game, adapt or dissapear.
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22/05/2020 11:54:01 4 27
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I’d like to see a European barbarians team as the 6th team within the six nations. The top 4 nations each year would retain their place with the 5th team going into a qualifying tournament in the autumn international window. The winner of the qualifying tournament and a barbarian team made from the non qualifying nations would then qualify for the 6 nations in feb/March.
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22/05/2020 11:56:52 1 0
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@48. Why bother with a European Barbarians when you could have the European champions? Your suggestion of playoffs is needless and unnecessarily complicated. If you going to have one then 6th place vs European champions.
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22/05/2020 11:56:12 0 0
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The biggest issue is not for the pro sides, if pro rugby goes to the summer in the NH, the rest of rugby will have to as well and with the summer holidays, it will be almost impossible for some clubs to field a team week in week out. It is bad enough when it is not holiday season. Of course everyone prefers playing in better weather, but is is not as if the summers in the UK are rain free.
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22/05/2020 12:18:54 11 2
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@49...if community rugby moves to summer... Sure some weather is warmer. Pitches will be concrete and just watch the player injuries mount up from playing on hard pitches. It's a winter sport for a reason.
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22/05/2020 11:54:01 4 27
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I’d like to see a European barbarians team as the 6th team within the six nations. The top 4 nations each year would retain their place with the 5th team going into a qualifying tournament in the autumn international window. The winner of the qualifying tournament and a barbarian team made from the non qualifying nations would then qualify for the 6 nations in feb/March.
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22/05/2020 11:56:52 1 0
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@48. Why bother with a European Barbarians when you could have the European champions? Your suggestion of playoffs is needless and unnecessarily complicated. If you going to have one then 6th place vs European champions.
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22/05/2020 11:59:34 17 2
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Southern Hemisphere teams cannot wait to get their hands on the Six Nations money. There is enough internationals, think of player welfare, I support Wales and they have always fitted in an extra Autumn international, with little regard to players being battered in a game that is now so physical that most modern players will be on crutches and crawling bout of bed when they are in their fifties
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22/05/2020 10:42:12 172 23
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Just as long as the IRB doesn't mess with the 6 Nations. Keep it as it is, keep it subscription free and keep Italy in, as I love my trip to Rome every other February. The 6Ns is the best rugby tournament in the world and does not need to change.
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22/05/2020 12:02:35 2 7
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@17. So we have to have a poor side in the 6N every year just so you can have your trip to Rome? Like it or not the virus has almost ensured some of the 6N will be subscription. They need the money. I don’t like it but it’s the new reality.
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22/05/2020 12:04:46 23 1
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Not sure I want a 'revamped' 6N; in one sense its fine as it is; if it aint broke etc...however, Italy have not progressed; so quite like the idea of a play off between minor Euro nations champions and the bottom team for the next 6th place.Georgia def deserve a crack at the 6N, but 7N is too many.
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22/05/2020 12:11:00 7 1
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YES, Italy need to earn the spot, Spain on paper are better ! 53. Posted byKingsmanon Not sure I want a 'revamped' 6N; in one sense its fine as it is; if it aint broke etc...however, Italy have not progressed; so quite like the idea of a play off between minor Euro nations champions and the bottom team for the next 6th place.Georgia def deserve a crack at the 6N, but 7N is too many.
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22/05/2020 12:13:41 3 0
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Just tell us when you have finalised whatever it is you are going to do to make a profit. We will either Continue to support or not. At the moment I’m past caring and can’t get my head around this idea to be honest.
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22/05/2020 12:17:13 9 3
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Keep 6 Nations as is with playoff for top of tier 2 bottom of 6N (even though as a Scot we'd have suffered from this in the past). Add Japan and the best other Polynesian team to the championship. Two lots of 6 Nations. 12 tier 1 teams. Thank you I accept the offer to be the new IRB chief exec although I'm not sure I'd cope with the lack of demand / brain power required to do such a job.
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22/05/2020 12:17:23 0 1
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not sure I understand the end “vision” Is it a “salami” (one slice at a time) backdoor move to promote a nations championship (to the detriment of T2 & club rugby) or , if NH moves to summer , an attempt to build support by avoiding clashing with football season ? I’m not necessarily anti either , however plan it needs fleshed out to ensure T2 , clubs & player welfare are guaranteed
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22/05/2020 11:56:12 0 0
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The biggest issue is not for the pro sides, if pro rugby goes to the summer in the NH, the rest of rugby will have to as well and with the summer holidays, it will be almost impossible for some clubs to field a team week in week out. It is bad enough when it is not holiday season. Of course everyone prefers playing in better weather, but is is not as if the summers in the UK are rain free.
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22/05/2020 12:18:54 11 2
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@49...if community rugby moves to summer... Sure some weather is warmer. Pitches will be concrete and just watch the player injuries mount up from playing on hard pitches. It's a winter sport for a reason.
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22/05/2020 12:29:30 4 3
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58. isitme * @49...if community rugby moves to summer... Sure some weather is warmer. Pitches will be concrete and just watch the player injuries mount up from playing on hard pitches. It's a winter sport for a reason. ** Try playing in certain areas of the SH or even the south of France and you'll find plenty of hard pitches and very exciting running rugby. Spring/summer is best in NH.
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22/05/2020 12:22:05 2 1
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The only way, for me, for the 2nd tier nations to improve is to play meaningful matches and I really hope that Bill takes the opportunity to revamp the World Cup, to give the 2nd tier teams more opportunities without increasing the number of games for the champions. The last two world cups have shown that the public will watch the matches.
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22/05/2020 12:23:46 4 1
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Been here before SH wanting a piece of the NH pie but can we afford to share.NH rugby is not sound financial Pro14 clubs are reliant on their RU’s for money central contracts etc.Top14 and the Prem rely on big sugar daddies so we really need all the funds we can raise to keep NH rugby afloat.I think ZANZAR have to look at their product and decide how to improve without riding on our backs.
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22/05/2020 12:25:17 5 1
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If there was a bowl, plate and shield competition introduced into the World Cup alongside 8 groups of 4, I am sure the standard of the tier 2 and below would improve as well increasing the market in these countries to provide further funding to these nations which will benefit all. But of course this won’t happen as it will be too difficult
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22/05/2020 12:47:09 6 2
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61, Fully agree about a bowl, plate etc at the RWC, plus a whole level 2 tournament for the teams 21-45th in the world, Same venues etc, so no gaps in the schedule. It was ridiculous that some players were back playing for their clubs after their country was eliminated, during the knockout stages.
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22/05/2020 13:09:42 4 0
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@61 bowl, plate and shield competition introduced into the World Cup ....Why stop there, give every nation a participation medal. The world cup is playing for 1st place. Even 3rd/4th game is not great, squad players getting a run out. I think all teams at the last world cup had some competitive (close) games.
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22/05/2020 12:26:58 2 3
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The 5 N was good and successful obviously for Home Nations and France. Then Greed came into I guess and then the 6N. Yes the Sport of Rugby needs to be spread and developed. So why keep expanding a good set up and eventually it become flat. Look at the PL over sold its soul. The future is there so let's see how it and if it will develope.
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22/05/2020 12:18:54 11 2
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@49...if community rugby moves to summer... Sure some weather is warmer. Pitches will be concrete and just watch the player injuries mount up from playing on hard pitches. It's a winter sport for a reason.
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22/05/2020 12:29:30 4 3
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58. isitme * @49...if community rugby moves to summer... Sure some weather is warmer. Pitches will be concrete and just watch the player injuries mount up from playing on hard pitches. It's a winter sport for a reason. ** Try playing in certain areas of the SH or even the south of France and you'll find plenty of hard pitches and very exciting running rugby. Spring/summer is best in NH.
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PFM
22/05/2020 12:29:50 3 34
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Italy do not deserve 6N. Go back to 5 nations, and free up a bit of time. Better still go down to 4 nations, same than as SANZAAR. Then it'll be easier to have north v south.
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22/05/2020 12:31:51 2 0
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@64 And who do we get rid of out of the remaining 5 nations?
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22/05/2020 12:48:30 3 2
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@64 can we just get rid of you instead
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PFM
22/05/2020 12:29:50 3 34
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Italy do not deserve 6N. Go back to 5 nations, and free up a bit of time. Better still go down to 4 nations, same than as SANZAAR. Then it'll be easier to have north v south.
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22/05/2020 12:31:51 2 0
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@64 And who do we get rid of out of the remaining 5 nations?
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22/05/2020 12:33:11 5 0
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The Nations Championship idea is simply an attempt to create new revenue streams for broadcasters and Southern Hemisphere teams. If this is an idea that eventually gets up and running, what's the point of a World Cup? In my opinion, much better to spend time and effort in finding ways of integrating tier 2 sides into the existing formats. All the hubbub about Japan seems to have disappeared.
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22/05/2020 12:48:30 1 1
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@66 “ hubbub about japan has gone quiet” While understandable with covid19 , you make a valid point. If & when world rugby make a statement about Japan’s future it will give a big pointer to what’s being planned. Imho ,if split, Japan belongs in a NH 6 or 7N , Fiji added to RC. Bottom sides of each should have a playoff with top team from next level to give T2 a clear path to advance.
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22/05/2020 11:45:36 5 5
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Difficult to do as a lot of Rugby fans are traditionalists and dont want the game to move with times.
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22/05/2020 12:33:12 4 0
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43. Posted byRistyon Difficult to do as a lot of Rugby fans are traditionalists and dont want the game to move with times. 47. Posted bydaveyon 37 minutes ago "46. Posted by Dr-Fish @39. It's a winter game, the SH games must play in winter. " It is a game, adapt or dissapear. Yeah it is the fault of the people who are prepared to spend time and money on the sport they love.
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22/05/2020 12:39:35 3 0
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In SH I would prefer to strengthen the top provincial team tournaments - give more meaning to Currie Cup etc and also go back to a Super 12 or even a Super 10. I would make the EOYT to NH every 2 or 3 years and encourage more tours to SH. At the moment in SH, we have weakened provinces and over-crowded Super Rugby - followed by The Rugby Championship and then EOYT. Too much!
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22/05/2020 12:39:55 15 0
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Rugby is a game meant to played in multiple conditions; the best teams adapt to the conditions and it’s part of union’s unpredictability and charm. Community and schools rugby in the summer would be v difficult in much of the UK and north Dublin because it would clash with cricket. And playing summer rugby in S France/ N Spain would be brutal; temps can be incredible there.
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22/05/2020 12:41:06 10 2
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Rugby is not all about,North V South, or indeed internationals. The money is in the club competitions, fix that an international rugby will improve. I do love to watch Scotland at Murrayfield and regularly pay to do so, but watching Glasgow Warriors or coaching the kids of my local team and following the seniors is real rugby for me, we need to make sure that level of rugby survives.
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22/05/2020 13:59:30 11 0
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@70. Agoodbigun "The money is in the club competitions, fix that an international rugby will improve" Hilarious, NH Club rugby is up to it's armpits in debt hence having to sell it's soul to CVC. Incompetently run since the game went pro. Intl. rugby is the cornerstone of the game, it finances the sport in it's entirety. What are you doing here?
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22/05/2020 12:44:08 3 0
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We have an international championship already. I know they introduced a Test Championship in cricket. Fair enough as ODI and Tests are different and utilise some different players. We have the 6N, World Cup and Autumn Internationals for NH teams. Plus tours to the SH.
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22/05/2020 12:25:17 5 1
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If there was a bowl, plate and shield competition introduced into the World Cup alongside 8 groups of 4, I am sure the standard of the tier 2 and below would improve as well increasing the market in these countries to provide further funding to these nations which will benefit all. But of course this won’t happen as it will be too difficult
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22/05/2020 12:47:09 6 2
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61, Fully agree about a bowl, plate etc at the RWC, plus a whole level 2 tournament for the teams 21-45th in the world, Same venues etc, so no gaps in the schedule. It was ridiculous that some players were back playing for their clubs after their country was eliminated, during the knockout stages.
73
22/05/2020 12:48:10 0 0
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So - am I overly simplifying things here? The choices are either NH or SH moves to summer rugby. Or is there a magical Third Way?
77
22/05/2020 13:01:17 10 0
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@73, there is a third way, stop making it all about NH v SH, the World cup is there to bring all that together and the two should be able to keep themselves alive and would be able to if those "fans" who are only interested in Test matches would commit and become rugby supporters, we wouldn't need to keep having this conversation. Rugby is more than test matches.
66
22/05/2020 12:33:11 5 0
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The Nations Championship idea is simply an attempt to create new revenue streams for broadcasters and Southern Hemisphere teams. If this is an idea that eventually gets up and running, what's the point of a World Cup? In my opinion, much better to spend time and effort in finding ways of integrating tier 2 sides into the existing formats. All the hubbub about Japan seems to have disappeared.
74
22/05/2020 12:48:30 1 1
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@66 “ hubbub about japan has gone quiet” While understandable with covid19 , you make a valid point. If & when world rugby make a statement about Japan’s future it will give a big pointer to what’s being planned. Imho ,if split, Japan belongs in a NH 6 or 7N , Fiji added to RC. Bottom sides of each should have a playoff with top team from next level to give T2 a clear path to advance.
64
PFM
22/05/2020 12:29:50 3 34
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Italy do not deserve 6N. Go back to 5 nations, and free up a bit of time. Better still go down to 4 nations, same than as SANZAAR. Then it'll be easier to have north v south.
75
22/05/2020 12:48:30 3 2
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@64 can we just get rid of you instead
76
22/05/2020 12:53:43 6 0
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What we need in the NH is for the European fixtures to be played in one block. No resting star players for 2 weeks, waiting for the league to return. Either they play in Europe or don't play for 2 months. It's been a joke, played with weakened teams, for far too long. Give it the credit that it deserves.
73
22/05/2020 12:48:10 0 0
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So - am I overly simplifying things here? The choices are either NH or SH moves to summer rugby. Or is there a magical Third Way?
77
22/05/2020 13:01:17 10 0
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@73, there is a third way, stop making it all about NH v SH, the World cup is there to bring all that together and the two should be able to keep themselves alive and would be able to if those "fans" who are only interested in Test matches would commit and become rugby supporters, we wouldn't need to keep having this conversation. Rugby is more than test matches.
78
22/05/2020 13:06:50 4 1
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Japan should join the Southern Hemisphere teams just so that we can have a: Jasanzaar Or a: SanzaarJa So its ends up sounding like someone’s name. Shout that out across a supermarket and see who looks up?
80
22/05/2020 13:09:42 11 1
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TBH rugby has to improve as a spectacle to draw the crowds and more investment successfully. During this lockdown the retro games have reminded me of how fast and entertaining the game was. Games like the BABAS v NZ 1973 are too few and far between since. Even the avid fan is perplexed by what goes on in the scrum (and the ref?). More athletes and less strongmen just like it used to be imo.
61
22/05/2020 12:25:17 5 1
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If there was a bowl, plate and shield competition introduced into the World Cup alongside 8 groups of 4, I am sure the standard of the tier 2 and below would improve as well increasing the market in these countries to provide further funding to these nations which will benefit all. But of course this won’t happen as it will be too difficult
81
22/05/2020 13:09:42 4 0
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@61 bowl, plate and shield competition introduced into the World Cup ....Why stop there, give every nation a participation medal. The world cup is playing for 1st place. Even 3rd/4th game is not great, squad players getting a run out. I think all teams at the last world cup had some competitive (close) games.
92
22/05/2020 13:25:51 0 0
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@81 I'm guessing you don't like Sevens tournaments in that respect.
17
22/05/2020 10:42:12 172 23
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Just as long as the IRB doesn't mess with the 6 Nations. Keep it as it is, keep it subscription free and keep Italy in, as I love my trip to Rome every other February. The 6Ns is the best rugby tournament in the world and does not need to change.
82
sid
22/05/2020 13:10:32 1 5
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Dai Quietly @17 The 6 Nations might be the best rugby tournament in the world but it is not as good as the 5 Nations would be without Italy. If you want to go to Rome every other February there is nothing to stop you
83
22/05/2020 13:11:23 6 19
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Well the talent is in the SH ( 8 of 9 WCs ) but the money -AND the votes - is in the NH - or to be accurate -Europe In this very imperfect world MONEY trumps everything else By the way it must be strange to someone who has just arrived on this planet that 2 countries -UK and Ireland - are apparently 4 "countries " in this sport . Yes I know it's " history " But it does help in voting
101
22/05/2020 13:44:31 10 0
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@83 UK is the collective for Scotland, NI, Wales and England just as West Indies includes various island states. Even the Cornish will rightly dispute being English but a lot of Cornishmen have played for England.
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22/05/2020 10:26:12 73 5
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What about Japan?
84
22/05/2020 13:17:06 3 2
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6N must stay in it’s time slot - it’s as much a social gathering as a sporting one . Then sort out domestic/European blocks to get rid of stop/start. How about season starts with Eur cups played to conclusion, then internationals leading to 6N then domestic. Cups should be development pro teams only plus top amateur/semipro clubs Which could be played at same time as European
85
22/05/2020 13:17:46 8 1
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I would prefer that the Rugby Championship is expanded to include Japan and Fiji to make that a 6 team tournament the same as the six nations. You could then have the winner of each play each other. I would like to see more second tier games on tv than top (of which there are already plenty).
86
22/05/2020 13:17:57 6 0
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World rugby is only interested in the International scene, national Unions are only interested in their top tier league. Grass roots rugby is dying, the elite will do what creates more money for the top echelons of the game at the detriment of the supporters. The biggest union in the world (RFU) has been shambolic, CVC, PL, TV rights, funding cuts has proven what they think of grass roots rugby.
87
22/05/2020 13:20:48 7 1
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Rugby survives because it is underpinned by strong foundations, and if it ignores its' support network it will kill itself. Specifically, the elite and professional games rely heavily on community and school rugby because that is where both players and spectators are introduced to the sport. I think rugby should focus more on building strong structures in every country rather than globalisation.
88
22/05/2020 13:21:08 5 33
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Bin Sanzaar and the 6N Go for Sanzeng and the rest can argue about the wooden spoon
89
22/05/2020 13:22:29 23 1
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I’ve loved rugby all my life but the sheer arrogance of the money grabbers makes me sick Grass roots provides tomorrow’s players, mainly small clubs and schools but all the so called Top 10 worry about is themselves The game is slowly dying, clubs used to field their 3rd’s, 4th’s, now some struggle to raise just a starting 15 Selfishness & narrow mindedness will eventually kill rugby
103
22/05/2020 13:50:15 4 1
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89 Route1 "The game is slowly dying, clubs used to field their 3rd’s, 4th’s, now some struggle to raise just a starting 15" Absolutely true, it has to appeal to the communities and that means at lower levels. Those 3rd and 4th teams would return if kids had aspirations/role models though. Seeing 'local' lads doing v.well at top adult level helps. That requires money to be invested.
90
22/05/2020 13:23:20 7 2
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Seems as though commercial strength is in NH as Sanzaar always trying to extract more money when can’t generate enough themselves. NZ should resort to being NZ not cherry pick whole Pacific if they want meaningful commercially attractive SH competitions. And can we have proper rugby back, I.e. scrums, rucking, no lift line outs and no forward passes period !
94
22/05/2020 13:32:15 7 2
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#90 I agree re the laws of the game. Lifting in line-outs was made legal solely because it was very hard to spot and so rarely called (or not) correctly. The forward pass law was changed because the lawmakers a) wrongly thought it would be easier to spot direction of aim rather than direction of travel b) didn't want to rule out wonderful tries which started with a forward pass. Hollywood stuff.
91
22/05/2020 13:23:50 18 1
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Sports work best when it is local. Local rivalry, local communities. This isn't sport, it is a business. And it becomes boring. Look at Super Rugby. Best players, worst attendance.
81
22/05/2020 13:09:42 4 0
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@61 bowl, plate and shield competition introduced into the World Cup ....Why stop there, give every nation a participation medal. The world cup is playing for 1st place. Even 3rd/4th game is not great, squad players getting a run out. I think all teams at the last world cup had some competitive (close) games.
92
22/05/2020 13:25:51 0 0
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@81 I'm guessing you don't like Sevens tournaments in that respect.
109
22/05/2020 14:23:13 5 0
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@92 Actually used to love sevens...first visits to Twickenham was for Middlesex 7's. (teams had to qualify not the Prem teams sending sides) In that format I have no issue with bowl/Plate, short and can be completed in easy timeframe. For 15's do not see it working. The bowl/plate games would be mid-week or played at same time as main competition with no tv coverage.
93
22/05/2020 13:31:34 4 3
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Has everyone forgotten the part that the weather plays in rugby? It is unreasonable to expect players to play in 20 degrees and over for numerous weeks in a row.
90
22/05/2020 13:23:20 7 2
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Seems as though commercial strength is in NH as Sanzaar always trying to extract more money when can’t generate enough themselves. NZ should resort to being NZ not cherry pick whole Pacific if they want meaningful commercially attractive SH competitions. And can we have proper rugby back, I.e. scrums, rucking, no lift line outs and no forward passes period !
94
22/05/2020 13:32:15 7 2
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#90 I agree re the laws of the game. Lifting in line-outs was made legal solely because it was very hard to spot and so rarely called (or not) correctly. The forward pass law was changed because the lawmakers a) wrongly thought it would be easier to spot direction of aim rather than direction of travel b) didn't want to rule out wonderful tries which started with a forward pass. Hollywood stuff.
95
22/05/2020 13:32:45 3 4
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About time, it should have happened years ago. It would have if it wasn't for self interest.
96
22/05/2020 13:35:36 9 29
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Dump the Scrum once and for all. How many wasted minutes a game, a weekend or a Championship resetting.... Farce.
97
22/05/2020 13:37:07 4 1
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All about the coin.
98
22/05/2020 13:39:39 3 4
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This has to happen. It’s something that should have happened a long time ago.
99
22/05/2020 13:39:49 11 4
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Solely commenting on the 6 nations as an entity, and not the broader woes of rugby union, for me the 6 nations is what it is due to history and local rivalry.That has been the root of its success and bringing countries that historically and geographically mean little to the UK will not enhance the competition.Of course the monied folk want to get their claws into it, but they aren't fooling anyine
100
22/05/2020 13:43:00 2 1
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It won't happen, Rugby is Covids Dream. All that ball touching, grunting and puffing in the scrum n maul, all the face to face stuff. Nah it's game over I am afraid until CV-19 is gone. Which I hope is soon.