PM thanks 500,000 who have signed up to help NHS
25/03/2020 | news | uk | 2,948
The role of volunteers will be "absolutely crucial" in fighting coronavirus, says Boris Johnson.
26/03/2020 09:51:40 1 3
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Eden,s resignation in 1956 was pale tame stuff compared to the muck up Boris has made on the testing issue delay. Better late than never may not be good enough now - ,bet you now wish you voted for Hunt,with his medical background ,you 160,000 party voters but we did warn you but you never listened.
2801
26/03/2020 09:53:21 0 3
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2800. tigers Still no response and/or comment to my 2796, replying to your thoughts on testing. Says it all!
26/03/2020 09:49:09 4 4
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@2795. Lets look at lack of preparation. Hospital Managers who declined to take up additional stock when advised by suppliers in JANUARY. GPs, who are private businessmen who didn't stock up despite the PPE being tax deductible. Hard to blame the government
2802
26/03/2020 09:55:12 6 0
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2798. Posted byWhoamIon Just now @2795. Lets look at lack of preparation. Hospital Managers who declined to take up additional stock when advised by suppliers in JANUARY. *** You got no money in the system you can't stock up funding comes from GOV
26/03/2020 09:58:13 2 3
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2802. pitstop Funding is not the issue. Bureaucracy and process is the issue. Need to reorder, how many layers of management does that request need to go through. Variance of contract - oh we will need to retender via OJEU just to ensure we do not fall foul of State Aid rules. Then we have the competitive tender process etc. Then someone needs to make an executive decision - dither!
26/03/2020 09:49:09 4 4
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@2795. Lets look at lack of preparation. Hospital Managers who declined to take up additional stock when advised by suppliers in JANUARY. GPs, who are private businessmen who didn't stock up despite the PPE being tax deductible. Hard to blame the government
2803
26/03/2020 09:56:32 4 0
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2798. Posted byWhoamIon Just now @2795. Lets look at lack of preparation. Hospital Managers who declined to take up additional stock when advised by suppliers in JANUARY. = We are either in the company of Cummings, Johnson, Rees-Mogg or Ian Duncan Smith. Now which one are you
26/03/2020 09:22:37 5 1
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@2773. No the NHS is well funded badly and over managed. NHS England has over 400 Statutory Organisations each with CEOs and Executive Boards costing an average of £6m pa to run. That is £2.4 BILLION a year just in management structure. How many Doctors and Nurses for that money. We also pay too many on Sessional Contracts as self employed. That could save a fortune too
2804
26/03/2020 09:56:42 4 0
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@2781. WhoamI The Tories introduced the NHS internal market in the 1990's. Even the Tories admit that was a mistake and has cost the NHS a fortune Tory manifesto in 2017 admitted the internal market "fails to operate in the interest of patients and creates costly bureaucracy" Senior Tory ministers have also admitted the Health and Social care act 2012 was the biggest mistake they ever made
26/03/2020 09:55:12 6 0
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2798. Posted byWhoamIon Just now @2795. Lets look at lack of preparation. Hospital Managers who declined to take up additional stock when advised by suppliers in JANUARY. *** You got no money in the system you can't stock up funding comes from GOV
2805
26/03/2020 09:58:13 2 3
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2802. pitstop Funding is not the issue. Bureaucracy and process is the issue. Need to reorder, how many layers of management does that request need to go through. Variance of contract - oh we will need to retender via OJEU just to ensure we do not fall foul of State Aid rules. Then we have the competitive tender process etc. Then someone needs to make an executive decision - dither!
26/03/2020 10:04:36 2 0
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@2805. what we do defines us "Funding is not the issue. Bureaucracy and process is the issue" Bureaucracy is an effect of the Tory introduction of the internal market into the NHS in the 1990's. The effect of that was to roughly treble the % of NHS budget spent on administration. UK spending on healthcare (inc all private care) is about 9% of GDP. Developed nations av 11-12% USA 17%.
2806
26/03/2020 09:58:13 4 4
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Boris,s dad,s and mum,s army ,noble though the cause and extremely patriot risking life and limb untested for the virus,may not be enough to save him from an ignoble exit like Eden but under very different circumstances. It begs the question too can he be trusted with Brexit or will it too be a disaster in Tory incompetency ?
26/03/2020 10:01:35 0 6
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2806. tigers Given up trying to defend your comment on testing then! One can only suspect that the Momentum (soon to be redundant activists) are making one last pitch on line following PMQ's yesterday.
2807
26/03/2020 09:59:04 5 3
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Mr Johnson said he a wanted to offer "special thank you to everyone who has now volunteered to help the NHS". After the last ten years his nose must have gone through the wall. Never trust a tory.
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Boris,s dad,s and mum,s army ,noble though the cause and extremely patriot risking life and limb untested for the virus,may not be enough to save him from an ignoble exit like Eden but under very different circumstances. It begs the question too can he be trusted with Brexit or will it too be a disaster in Tory incompetency ?
2809
26/03/2020 10:01:35 0 6
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2806. tigers Given up trying to defend your comment on testing then! One can only suspect that the Momentum (soon to be redundant activists) are making one last pitch on line following PMQ's yesterday.
26/03/2020 09:58:13 2 3
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2802. pitstop Funding is not the issue. Bureaucracy and process is the issue. Need to reorder, how many layers of management does that request need to go through. Variance of contract - oh we will need to retender via OJEU just to ensure we do not fall foul of State Aid rules. Then we have the competitive tender process etc. Then someone needs to make an executive decision - dither!
2810
26/03/2020 10:04:36 2 0
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@2805. what we do defines us "Funding is not the issue. Bureaucracy and process is the issue" Bureaucracy is an effect of the Tory introduction of the internal market into the NHS in the 1990's. The effect of that was to roughly treble the % of NHS budget spent on administration. UK spending on healthcare (inc all private care) is about 9% of GDP. Developed nations av 11-12% USA 17%.
26/03/2020 10:09:29 3 6
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2810. Stuart From memory, c.1.3m people are employed in the NHS, of which, c.400,000 are doctors, nurses, midwife and related medical fields. Spending on what priorities exactly then? Wastage in the NHS cost's it c.£5bn p.a due to inefficiencies. Then we have our lifestyle choices (how much does alcohol, diabetes, obesity cost the NHS each year? £bn's). UK the fattest nation in EU
26/03/2020 10:27:27 3 0
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2810. Posted byStuarton 14 minutes ago @2805. what we do defines us *** Would be interested on your thoughts of the kind of system in force in France etc It's not a form of private system they are not allowed to sell it (there are exceptions of course) Do you think,it would work in UK
26/03/2020 09:51:40 1 3
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Eden,s resignation in 1956 was pale tame stuff compared to the muck up Boris has made on the testing issue delay. Better late than never may not be good enough now - ,bet you now wish you voted for Hunt,with his medical background ,you 160,000 party voters but we did warn you but you never listened.
2811
26/03/2020 10:05:57 3 0
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2800/2806. tigers I approach this as a Lib Dem and Remainer/Rejoiner whom you couldn't pay to vote for Mr Johnson. But with respect, a high profile political resignation and the ensuing turmoil is something we need right now like a hole in the head!
JJ
26/03/2020 10:21:15 3 3
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2811 Debbie Cummings’ frontman is like Chamberlain, waving pieces of paper and announcing “testing in our time” and other pearls. A decent person would walk, recognising that he doesn’t possess the skills, he’s a chancer who got “lucky”. There’s no need for a lengthy process, Tory MPs could re-appoint PM May & convene a cross-party govt. This is a crisis - we need direction & unity.
2812
26/03/2020 10:08:48 2 1
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Taken stright out of the well known Tory supporting newspaper The Telegraph today ''Chancellor to help one in three self-employed people amid pushback over more big bailouts ''
26/03/2020 10:04:36 2 0
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@2805. what we do defines us "Funding is not the issue. Bureaucracy and process is the issue" Bureaucracy is an effect of the Tory introduction of the internal market into the NHS in the 1990's. The effect of that was to roughly treble the % of NHS budget spent on administration. UK spending on healthcare (inc all private care) is about 9% of GDP. Developed nations av 11-12% USA 17%.
2813
26/03/2020 10:09:29 3 6
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2810. Stuart From memory, c.1.3m people are employed in the NHS, of which, c.400,000 are doctors, nurses, midwife and related medical fields. Spending on what priorities exactly then? Wastage in the NHS cost's it c.£5bn p.a due to inefficiencies. Then we have our lifestyle choices (how much does alcohol, diabetes, obesity cost the NHS each year? £bn's). UK the fattest nation in EU
26/03/2020 10:19:53 5 1
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@2813. what we do defines us Currently 3% of NHS staff are managers (including both doctors and nurses who perform that activity in addition to their primary role.) https://fullfact.org/health/how-many-nhs-employees-are-there/ Given your post one might jump to the conclusion that your were deliberately trying to mislead people regarding the efficiency of the NHS by your choice of stats.
26/03/2020 10:21:44 4 0
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2813 what we do defines us "Wastage in the NHS cost's it c.£5bn p.a due to inefficiencies." That is £5 billion from an annual budget of £139 billion. I would regard an efficiency of 96.4% as pretty good.
26/03/2020 10:09:29 3 6
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2810. Stuart From memory, c.1.3m people are employed in the NHS, of which, c.400,000 are doctors, nurses, midwife and related medical fields. Spending on what priorities exactly then? Wastage in the NHS cost's it c.£5bn p.a due to inefficiencies. Then we have our lifestyle choices (how much does alcohol, diabetes, obesity cost the NHS each year? £bn's). UK the fattest nation in EU
2814
26/03/2020 10:19:53 5 1
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@2813. what we do defines us Currently 3% of NHS staff are managers (including both doctors and nurses who perform that activity in addition to their primary role.) https://fullfact.org/health/how-many-nhs-employees-are-there/ Given your post one might jump to the conclusion that your were deliberately trying to mislead people regarding the efficiency of the NHS by your choice of stats.
26/03/2020 10:30:08 2 2
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2814. Stuart / 2815. Entropic man S) The stats I quoted were to prompt a debate. Let, me put this another way. A well known airline, organising logistics/flights around the world etc has a HQ staff of c. 50 people when I last looked. How many NHS Trusts are there, CCG's - how many people employed doing what exactly? EM) A business would go bust. Over 10 years, that's £50bn wasted, no money!
26/03/2020 10:09:29 3 6
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2810. Stuart From memory, c.1.3m people are employed in the NHS, of which, c.400,000 are doctors, nurses, midwife and related medical fields. Spending on what priorities exactly then? Wastage in the NHS cost's it c.£5bn p.a due to inefficiencies. Then we have our lifestyle choices (how much does alcohol, diabetes, obesity cost the NHS each year? £bn's). UK the fattest nation in EU
2815
26/03/2020 10:21:44 4 0
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2813 what we do defines us "Wastage in the NHS cost's it c.£5bn p.a due to inefficiencies." That is £5 billion from an annual budget of £139 billion. I would regard an efficiency of 96.4% as pretty good.
26/03/2020 10:05:57 3 0
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2800/2806. tigers I approach this as a Lib Dem and Remainer/Rejoiner whom you couldn't pay to vote for Mr Johnson. But with respect, a high profile political resignation and the ensuing turmoil is something we need right now like a hole in the head!
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JJ
26/03/2020 10:21:15 3 3
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2811 Debbie Cummings’ frontman is like Chamberlain, waving pieces of paper and announcing “testing in our time” and other pearls. A decent person would walk, recognising that he doesn’t possess the skills, he’s a chancer who got “lucky”. There’s no need for a lengthy process, Tory MPs could re-appoint PM May & convene a cross-party govt. This is a crisis - we need direction & unity.
26/03/2020 10:45:55 5 2
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@2816. JJ "Cummings’ frontman is like Chamberlain, waving pieces of paper and announcing “testing in our time” and other pearls." You are too hard on Chamberlain JJ, even as he was waiving his piece of paper he was kicking off a massive re-armament program to try to get the UK ready for the war he knew was coming. Boris was asleep at the wheel and did nothing until it was too late.
26/03/2020 11:23:06 1 4
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2816. JJ: There’s no need for a lengthy process, Tory MPs could re-appoint PM May & convene a cross-party govt. This is a crisis - we need direction & unity. And you think we'll get it from Theresa May and a cross-party government? I don't see any realistic PM at the moment who could deal with this.
2817
26/03/2020 10:26:36 2 1
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What would the British public and media think if Tesco or Sports Direct asked for 250,000 *volunteers* to stack their shelves and man their tills? #paidwork
26/03/2020 10:04:36 2 0
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@2805. what we do defines us "Funding is not the issue. Bureaucracy and process is the issue" Bureaucracy is an effect of the Tory introduction of the internal market into the NHS in the 1990's. The effect of that was to roughly treble the % of NHS budget spent on administration. UK spending on healthcare (inc all private care) is about 9% of GDP. Developed nations av 11-12% USA 17%.
2818
26/03/2020 10:27:27 3 0
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2810. Posted byStuarton 14 minutes ago @2805. what we do defines us *** Would be interested on your thoughts of the kind of system in force in France etc It's not a form of private system they are not allowed to sell it (there are exceptions of course) Do you think,it would work in UK
26/03/2020 10:35:41 2 2
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2818. pitstop It is a well known fact that the NHS services are abused through a sense of entitlement. I pay my taxes so...e.g. Drunks from pubs on a Saturday night going to A&E, abusing staff etc.Time wasters - we have turned into hypochondriacs.Lifestyle choices, I will do what I want, NHS will pick up the pieces. NHS should be a partnership, you do this, we that.Otherwise you pay more!
26/03/2020 09:51:40 1 3
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Eden,s resignation in 1956 was pale tame stuff compared to the muck up Boris has made on the testing issue delay. Better late than never may not be good enough now - ,bet you now wish you voted for Hunt,with his medical background ,you 160,000 party voters but we did warn you but you never listened.
2820
26/03/2020 10:29:08 4 0
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2800. Posted bytigerson 34 minutes ago Better late than never may not be good enough now - ,bet you now wish you voted for Hunt,with his medical background ,you 160,000 party voters but we did warn you but you never listened. --- Had a bit of expertise, wasn't obviously posh or funny enough. Not strong enough on Brexit. Doesn't give good headline. Faithful to his partner. No chance.
26/03/2020 10:19:53 5 1
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@2813. what we do defines us Currently 3% of NHS staff are managers (including both doctors and nurses who perform that activity in addition to their primary role.) https://fullfact.org/health/how-many-nhs-employees-are-there/ Given your post one might jump to the conclusion that your were deliberately trying to mislead people regarding the efficiency of the NHS by your choice of stats.
2821
26/03/2020 10:30:08 2 2
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2814. Stuart / 2815. Entropic man S) The stats I quoted were to prompt a debate. Let, me put this another way. A well known airline, organising logistics/flights around the world etc has a HQ staff of c. 50 people when I last looked. How many NHS Trusts are there, CCG's - how many people employed doing what exactly? EM) A business would go bust. Over 10 years, that's £50bn wasted, no money!
26/03/2020 10:39:32 4 0
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2821 what we do defines us "EM) A business would go bust. Over 10 years, that's £50bn wasted, no money! " May I ask, what is the efficiency of a typical business? You seem hypnotized by the size of the numbers, but have unreasonable expectations. In engineering a machine with an efficiency of 96.4% would be unheard of.
26/03/2020 10:40:53 3 0
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2821. Posted bywhat we do defines uson A well known airline, organising logistics/flights around the world etc has a HQ staff of c. 50 people when I last looked. How many NHS Trusts are there, CCG's - how many people employed doing what exactly? ---- For my next trick, I'll ask why a tailor needs fewer employees than an oil rig. Same things, right?
26/03/2020 10:51:28 3 1
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@2821. what we do defines us "How many NHS Trusts are there..." Ask the Tory government, they introduced the internal market. Even the Tories have admitted that made things less efficient it resulted in approx 3x % of NHS budget spent on admin to run it. The thing is the NHS was too big to privatise in one piece so the internal market was essential if they wanted to sell it off bit by bit.
26/03/2020 10:51:38 2 0
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2821 what we do defines us "50 hq staff" An airline is considerably less complex than the NHS. Front line staff can only function if properly supplied. Everything that makes it possible for the healers to heal is organised by the admin staff, a task which is always underestimated. To use a military analogy; amateurs discuss tactics, professionals discuss logistics.
2822
26/03/2020 10:30:58 3 3
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https://fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/ The facts make stark reading, and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Tories have always, and continue to underfund the NHS. https://www.statista.com/statistics/268826/health-expenditure-as-gdp-percentage-in-oecd-countries/ Noting that of the 9.8% spent in the UK only 7% is NHS, the remaining 2.8% is private care.
26/03/2020 10:37:52 4 5
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2822. Stuart Perhaps if people like you heeded current advice, took more personal responsibility for their own actions and stopped trying to use the current situation for political point scoring, the NHS wouldn't have a funding crisis. Your post at this time is reprehensible.
26/03/2020 10:27:27 3 0
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2810. Posted byStuarton 14 minutes ago @2805. what we do defines us *** Would be interested on your thoughts of the kind of system in force in France etc It's not a form of private system they are not allowed to sell it (there are exceptions of course) Do you think,it would work in UK
2823
26/03/2020 10:35:41 2 2
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2818. pitstop It is a well known fact that the NHS services are abused through a sense of entitlement. I pay my taxes so...e.g. Drunks from pubs on a Saturday night going to A&E, abusing staff etc.Time wasters - we have turned into hypochondriacs.Lifestyle choices, I will do what I want, NHS will pick up the pieces. NHS should be a partnership, you do this, we that.Otherwise you pay more!
26/03/2020 10:30:58 3 3
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https://fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/ The facts make stark reading, and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Tories have always, and continue to underfund the NHS. https://www.statista.com/statistics/268826/health-expenditure-as-gdp-percentage-in-oecd-countries/ Noting that of the 9.8% spent in the UK only 7% is NHS, the remaining 2.8% is private care.
2824
26/03/2020 10:37:52 4 5
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2822. Stuart Perhaps if people like you heeded current advice, took more personal responsibility for their own actions and stopped trying to use the current situation for political point scoring, the NHS wouldn't have a funding crisis. Your post at this time is reprehensible.
26/03/2020 10:44:25 6 3
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2824. Posted byJust an ordinary blokeon Your post at this time is reprehensible. ------ The usual Tory bleat of "now is not the time". Ironic since they are always the ones banging on about personal responsibility. Just so long as it isn't theirs.
26/03/2020 10:56:10 3 1
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@2824. Just an ordinary bloke Perhaps if people like you held the government to account for it's actions, both before this time and now the NHS would not have been run down to a point where it was on it's knees before this virus hit. Noting also that without "people like me" being critical of the government, you would probably still be subject to the great 'herd immunity' experiment.
26/03/2020 10:30:08 2 2
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2814. Stuart / 2815. Entropic man S) The stats I quoted were to prompt a debate. Let, me put this another way. A well known airline, organising logistics/flights around the world etc has a HQ staff of c. 50 people when I last looked. How many NHS Trusts are there, CCG's - how many people employed doing what exactly? EM) A business would go bust. Over 10 years, that's £50bn wasted, no money!
2825
26/03/2020 10:39:32 4 0
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2821 what we do defines us "EM) A business would go bust. Over 10 years, that's £50bn wasted, no money! " May I ask, what is the efficiency of a typical business? You seem hypnotized by the size of the numbers, but have unreasonable expectations. In engineering a machine with an efficiency of 96.4% would be unheard of.
25/03/2020 20:37:57 3 4
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2002. Puds2 The government put out an appeal and the Brits answered in their numbers 400,000 Adults not one Remoaner or Brexiteer amongst them. --- No everyone who wants to help as a volunteer is doing it from the goodness of their hearts. Only you are depicting politics.
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26/03/2020 10:39:32 6 2
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2017. Tory MPs Cheer After Blocking a Pay Rise for Nurses, Teachers, Police & Firefighters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm1eeXnvn9Q We need PR.
26/03/2020 10:30:08 2 2
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2814. Stuart / 2815. Entropic man S) The stats I quoted were to prompt a debate. Let, me put this another way. A well known airline, organising logistics/flights around the world etc has a HQ staff of c. 50 people when I last looked. How many NHS Trusts are there, CCG's - how many people employed doing what exactly? EM) A business would go bust. Over 10 years, that's £50bn wasted, no money!
2827
26/03/2020 10:40:53 3 0
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2821. Posted bywhat we do defines uson A well known airline, organising logistics/flights around the world etc has a HQ staff of c. 50 people when I last looked. How many NHS Trusts are there, CCG's - how many people employed doing what exactly? ---- For my next trick, I'll ask why a tailor needs fewer employees than an oil rig. Same things, right?
26/03/2020 10:48:16 1 2
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@2827. Well the NHS in England is comprised of over 400 Statutory Organisations including Clinical Commissioning Groups, Hospital Trusts, Community Trusts, Ambulance Trusts. These organisations cover the same geographies. The structure is a throwback to 1948 and a separation of funding. Perhaps now we will have a fully integrated service with one management team for one geographical area?
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GTB
26/03/2020 10:43:44 2 1
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13,000 new cases for USA yesterday. Just been looking at country stats. If USA get 13,000 new again today, they will jump to first spot overtaking Italy and China for most cases
26/03/2020 10:47:36 3 1
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2828. Posted byGazon Just now 13,000 new cases for USA yesterday. Just been looking at country stats. If USA get 13,000 new again today, they will jump to first spot --- Horrible stats, and my heart goes out to them - the one positive is we'll all be watching Johnson like a hawk to prevent his sell off of a decent, publicly funded, functioning health system to the snake oil salesman.
26/03/2020 10:37:52 4 5
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2822. Stuart Perhaps if people like you heeded current advice, took more personal responsibility for their own actions and stopped trying to use the current situation for political point scoring, the NHS wouldn't have a funding crisis. Your post at this time is reprehensible.
2829
26/03/2020 10:44:25 6 3
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2824. Posted byJust an ordinary blokeon Your post at this time is reprehensible. ------ The usual Tory bleat of "now is not the time". Ironic since they are always the ones banging on about personal responsibility. Just so long as it isn't theirs.
26/03/2020 10:48:17 3 4
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2829. Doug It isn't a "Tory bleat" - it's a view held by all intelligent people who realise that this virus is apolitical and dealing with it would challenge any government regardless of their political persuasion.
JJ
26/03/2020 10:21:15 3 3
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2811 Debbie Cummings’ frontman is like Chamberlain, waving pieces of paper and announcing “testing in our time” and other pearls. A decent person would walk, recognising that he doesn’t possess the skills, he’s a chancer who got “lucky”. There’s no need for a lengthy process, Tory MPs could re-appoint PM May & convene a cross-party govt. This is a crisis - we need direction & unity.
2830
26/03/2020 10:45:55 5 2
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@2816. JJ "Cummings’ frontman is like Chamberlain, waving pieces of paper and announcing “testing in our time” and other pearls." You are too hard on Chamberlain JJ, even as he was waiving his piece of paper he was kicking off a massive re-armament program to try to get the UK ready for the war he knew was coming. Boris was asleep at the wheel and did nothing until it was too late.
GTB
26/03/2020 10:43:44 2 1
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13,000 new cases for USA yesterday. Just been looking at country stats. If USA get 13,000 new again today, they will jump to first spot overtaking Italy and China for most cases
2831
26/03/2020 10:47:36 3 1
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2828. Posted byGazon Just now 13,000 new cases for USA yesterday. Just been looking at country stats. If USA get 13,000 new again today, they will jump to first spot --- Horrible stats, and my heart goes out to them - the one positive is we'll all be watching Johnson like a hawk to prevent his sell off of a decent, publicly funded, functioning health system to the snake oil salesman.
26/03/2020 10:40:53 3 0
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2821. Posted bywhat we do defines uson A well known airline, organising logistics/flights around the world etc has a HQ staff of c. 50 people when I last looked. How many NHS Trusts are there, CCG's - how many people employed doing what exactly? ---- For my next trick, I'll ask why a tailor needs fewer employees than an oil rig. Same things, right?
2832
26/03/2020 10:48:16 1 2
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@2827. Well the NHS in England is comprised of over 400 Statutory Organisations including Clinical Commissioning Groups, Hospital Trusts, Community Trusts, Ambulance Trusts. These organisations cover the same geographies. The structure is a throwback to 1948 and a separation of funding. Perhaps now we will have a fully integrated service with one management team for one geographical area?
26/03/2020 10:44:25 6 3
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2824. Posted byJust an ordinary blokeon Your post at this time is reprehensible. ------ The usual Tory bleat of "now is not the time". Ironic since they are always the ones banging on about personal responsibility. Just so long as it isn't theirs.
2833
26/03/2020 10:48:17 3 4
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2829. Doug It isn't a "Tory bleat" - it's a view held by all intelligent people who realise that this virus is apolitical and dealing with it would challenge any government regardless of their political persuasion.
26/03/2020 10:53:19 3 2
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2833. Posted byJust an ordinary blokeon 2 minutes ago 2829. Doug It isn't a "Tory bleat" - it's a view held by all intelligent people who realise that this virus is apolitical and dealing with it would challenge any government regardless of their political persuasion. ---- The virus is indeed apolitical. The state of the NHS, staff and equipment shortages certainly is not.
2834
26/03/2020 10:45:37 4 6
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Human nature. The valiant efforts of medical and supermarket staff? The selfless volunteers surging forward above and beyond the numbers needed? Or the scavengers stripping the shelves on their way to their local park for a BBQ? Or those taking any opportunity to reduce HYS to a slanging match about politics when the PM must be under intolerable pressure. Shameless people.
26/03/2020 10:30:08 2 2
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2814. Stuart / 2815. Entropic man S) The stats I quoted were to prompt a debate. Let, me put this another way. A well known airline, organising logistics/flights around the world etc has a HQ staff of c. 50 people when I last looked. How many NHS Trusts are there, CCG's - how many people employed doing what exactly? EM) A business would go bust. Over 10 years, that's £50bn wasted, no money!
2835
26/03/2020 10:51:28 3 1
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@2821. what we do defines us "How many NHS Trusts are there..." Ask the Tory government, they introduced the internal market. Even the Tories have admitted that made things less efficient it resulted in approx 3x % of NHS budget spent on admin to run it. The thing is the NHS was too big to privatise in one piece so the internal market was essential if they wanted to sell it off bit by bit.
26/03/2020 10:55:00 3 4
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@2835. Actually it was Tony Blair who introduced the Internal Market with the creation of Primary Care Trusts. The same T Blair gave GPs a new contract paying more for doing less and effectively doing away with a GPs responsibility for out of hours care. Oh and his government loaded the NHS with PFI debts. But don't let fact get in the way of your ranting...
26/03/2020 10:30:08 2 2
bbc
2814. Stuart / 2815. Entropic man S) The stats I quoted were to prompt a debate. Let, me put this another way. A well known airline, organising logistics/flights around the world etc has a HQ staff of c. 50 people when I last looked. How many NHS Trusts are there, CCG's - how many people employed doing what exactly? EM) A business would go bust. Over 10 years, that's £50bn wasted, no money!
2836
26/03/2020 10:51:38 2 0
bbc
2821 what we do defines us "50 hq staff" An airline is considerably less complex than the NHS. Front line staff can only function if properly supplied. Everything that makes it possible for the healers to heal is organised by the admin staff, a task which is always underestimated. To use a military analogy; amateurs discuss tactics, professionals discuss logistics.
26/03/2020 10:59:32 4 5
bbc
@2836. You make a good point about the supply of equipment to the NHS. In this matter, NHS Buyers and Logistics have failed us. It has taken the Army Logistics to bring order. NHS managers were refusing to increase stocks in January despite supplier warnings.
26/03/2020 10:48:17 3 4
bbc
2829. Doug It isn't a "Tory bleat" - it's a view held by all intelligent people who realise that this virus is apolitical and dealing with it would challenge any government regardless of their political persuasion.
2837
26/03/2020 10:53:19 3 2
bbc
2833. Posted byJust an ordinary blokeon 2 minutes ago 2829. Doug It isn't a "Tory bleat" - it's a view held by all intelligent people who realise that this virus is apolitical and dealing with it would challenge any government regardless of their political persuasion. ---- The virus is indeed apolitical. The state of the NHS, staff and equipment shortages certainly is not.
26/03/2020 10:57:31 3 2
bbc
2837. Doug So do something about it then. Limit your exposure to other people, stay indoors, and take some responsibility for what you do day to day, rather than bang on about how everything is Boris's fault.
26/03/2020 10:51:28 3 1
bbc
@2821. what we do defines us "How many NHS Trusts are there..." Ask the Tory government, they introduced the internal market. Even the Tories have admitted that made things less efficient it resulted in approx 3x % of NHS budget spent on admin to run it. The thing is the NHS was too big to privatise in one piece so the internal market was essential if they wanted to sell it off bit by bit.
2838
26/03/2020 10:55:00 3 4
bbc
@2835. Actually it was Tony Blair who introduced the Internal Market with the creation of Primary Care Trusts. The same T Blair gave GPs a new contract paying more for doing less and effectively doing away with a GPs responsibility for out of hours care. Oh and his government loaded the NHS with PFI debts. But don't let fact get in the way of your ranting...
26/03/2020 10:59:52 5 1
bbc
@2838. WhoamI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHS_internal_market NHS internal market - Introduced by the Tories in 1990 (7 years before Blair) in the National Health Service and Community Care Act 1990. But hey don't let the truth get in the way of spouting Tory propaganda.
26/03/2020 11:06:57 3 2
bbc
@2838. WhoamI "... loaded the NHS with PFI debts." PFI accounts for less than 2% of the NHS budget and includes the costs of ongoing maintenance for the hospitals it paid for. Under Blairs government NHS funding rose as a % of GDP year on year. Since 2010 it has fallen to the point where had it just stayed at the 2010 level it would have paid for all the PFI contracts+
26/03/2020 10:37:52 4 5
bbc
2822. Stuart Perhaps if people like you heeded current advice, took more personal responsibility for their own actions and stopped trying to use the current situation for political point scoring, the NHS wouldn't have a funding crisis. Your post at this time is reprehensible.
2839
26/03/2020 10:56:10 3 1
bbc
@2824. Just an ordinary bloke Perhaps if people like you held the government to account for it's actions, both before this time and now the NHS would not have been run down to a point where it was on it's knees before this virus hit. Noting also that without "people like me" being critical of the government, you would probably still be subject to the great 'herd immunity' experiment.
26/03/2020 10:53:19 3 2
bbc
2833. Posted byJust an ordinary blokeon 2 minutes ago 2829. Doug It isn't a "Tory bleat" - it's a view held by all intelligent people who realise that this virus is apolitical and dealing with it would challenge any government regardless of their political persuasion. ---- The virus is indeed apolitical. The state of the NHS, staff and equipment shortages certainly is not.
2840
26/03/2020 10:57:31 3 2
bbc
2837. Doug So do something about it then. Limit your exposure to other people, stay indoors, and take some responsibility for what you do day to day, rather than bang on about how everything is Boris's fault.
2841
26/03/2020 10:58:31 1 7
bbc
it’s time to introduce a new health service that rivals the NHS. For too long there has been no competition, and they just hold us to ransom providing mediocre care. This needs to end! I want a choice!
26/03/2020 11:03:25 4 2
bbc
@2841. There is a health service that runs alongside the NHS for comparison. It is called the Private Sector. You HAVE a choice.... just pay for it....
26/03/2020 11:06:26 7 1
bbc
2841. babyoda: it’s time to introduce a new health service that rivals the NHS. For too long there has been no competition, and they just hold us to ransom providing mediocre care. This needs to end! I want a choice! Also a 2nd fire service, another police force, and 2 of each of the armed services; and 2 governments, all so that we can have a choice. FGS, just think before you spout.
26/03/2020 11:13:01 8 1
bbc
@2841 babyoda "it’s time to introduce a new health service that rivals NHS. they just hold us to ransom providing mediocre care. I want a choice!" You have 2 choices: 1, Private sector 2, Leaving the UK, becoming a citizen of another country & using their healthcare system After the repeated, disgusting slurs you've made against NHS nurses I sincerely hope you choose the 2nd.
26/03/2020 12:11:51 2 2
bbc
@2841 babyoda "it’s time to introduce a new health service that rivals NHS. they just hold us to ransom providing mediocre care." The NHS don't charge, it is 'free at the point of delivery' so are by definition are not holding anyone to ransom. Now across the pond in the USA healthcare is the leading cause of bankruptcy and costs the country 17% of GDP, now that is holding people to ransom
26/03/2020 10:51:38 2 0
bbc
2821 what we do defines us "50 hq staff" An airline is considerably less complex than the NHS. Front line staff can only function if properly supplied. Everything that makes it possible for the healers to heal is organised by the admin staff, a task which is always underestimated. To use a military analogy; amateurs discuss tactics, professionals discuss logistics.
2842
26/03/2020 10:59:32 4 5
bbc
@2836. You make a good point about the supply of equipment to the NHS. In this matter, NHS Buyers and Logistics have failed us. It has taken the Army Logistics to bring order. NHS managers were refusing to increase stocks in January despite supplier warnings.
26/03/2020 11:05:26 6 0
bbc
2842 whoami "NHS managers were refusing to increase stocks in January despite supplier warnings. " No money. The supply budget for 2019/2020 was already allocated. They can't order new equipment until the new financial year starts in April.
26/03/2020 10:55:00 3 4
bbc
@2835. Actually it was Tony Blair who introduced the Internal Market with the creation of Primary Care Trusts. The same T Blair gave GPs a new contract paying more for doing less and effectively doing away with a GPs responsibility for out of hours care. Oh and his government loaded the NHS with PFI debts. But don't let fact get in the way of your ranting...
2844
26/03/2020 10:59:52 5 1
bbc
@2838. WhoamI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHS_internal_market NHS internal market - Introduced by the Tories in 1990 (7 years before Blair) in the National Health Service and Community Care Act 1990. But hey don't let the truth get in the way of spouting Tory propaganda.
26/03/2020 10:58:31 1 7
bbc
it’s time to introduce a new health service that rivals the NHS. For too long there has been no competition, and they just hold us to ransom providing mediocre care. This needs to end! I want a choice!
2845
26/03/2020 11:03:25 4 2
bbc
@2841. There is a health service that runs alongside the NHS for comparison. It is called the Private Sector. You HAVE a choice.... just pay for it....
2846
26/03/2020 11:04:26 2 1
bbc
What does Arlene Foster say - she cost us a billion.
26/03/2020 11:39:34 2 0
bbc
2846. Posted by Ray Devon on 32 minutes ago What does Arlene Foster say - she cost us a billion. - Yes to anything the Tories ask of her including bending over backwards
26/03/2020 10:59:32 4 5
bbc
@2836. You make a good point about the supply of equipment to the NHS. In this matter, NHS Buyers and Logistics have failed us. It has taken the Army Logistics to bring order. NHS managers were refusing to increase stocks in January despite supplier warnings.
2847
26/03/2020 11:05:26 6 0
bbc
2842 whoami "NHS managers were refusing to increase stocks in January despite supplier warnings. " No money. The supply budget for 2019/2020 was already allocated. They can't order new equipment until the new financial year starts in April.
26/03/2020 11:13:51 0 6
bbc
@2847. Suppliers were warning of potential shortages. NHS buyers hadn't the gumption to escalate to the higher tiers of management. There is always contingency funding. But NHS managers prefer not to make decisions...
26/03/2020 10:58:31 1 7
bbc
it’s time to introduce a new health service that rivals the NHS. For too long there has been no competition, and they just hold us to ransom providing mediocre care. This needs to end! I want a choice!
2848
26/03/2020 11:06:26 7 1
bbc
2841. babyoda: it’s time to introduce a new health service that rivals the NHS. For too long there has been no competition, and they just hold us to ransom providing mediocre care. This needs to end! I want a choice! Also a 2nd fire service, another police force, and 2 of each of the armed services; and 2 governments, all so that we can have a choice. FGS, just think before you spout.
26/03/2020 10:55:00 3 4
bbc
@2835. Actually it was Tony Blair who introduced the Internal Market with the creation of Primary Care Trusts. The same T Blair gave GPs a new contract paying more for doing less and effectively doing away with a GPs responsibility for out of hours care. Oh and his government loaded the NHS with PFI debts. But don't let fact get in the way of your ranting...
2849
26/03/2020 11:06:57 3 2
bbc
@2838. WhoamI "... loaded the NHS with PFI debts." PFI accounts for less than 2% of the NHS budget and includes the costs of ongoing maintenance for the hospitals it paid for. Under Blairs government NHS funding rose as a % of GDP year on year. Since 2010 it has fallen to the point where had it just stayed at the 2010 level it would have paid for all the PFI contracts+
26/03/2020 11:09:09 3 1
bbc
@2849. 2% of the NHS Budget is over £2 billion pounds. Now imagine that as frontline investment in Health Care Professionals.
26/03/2020 11:06:57 3 2
bbc
@2838. WhoamI "... loaded the NHS with PFI debts." PFI accounts for less than 2% of the NHS budget and includes the costs of ongoing maintenance for the hospitals it paid for. Under Blairs government NHS funding rose as a % of GDP year on year. Since 2010 it has fallen to the point where had it just stayed at the 2010 level it would have paid for all the PFI contracts+
2850
26/03/2020 11:09:09 3 1
bbc
@2849. 2% of the NHS Budget is over £2 billion pounds. Now imagine that as frontline investment in Health Care Professionals.
26/03/2020 11:31:00 3 1
bbc
2850. Posted byWhoamIon 20 minutes ago @2849. 2% of the NHS Budget is over £2 billion pounds. Now imagine that as frontline investment in Health Care Professionals. = BUT you would NOT have the hospitals that PFI built would you?? Now YOU imagine that??
26/03/2020 10:58:31 1 7
bbc
it’s time to introduce a new health service that rivals the NHS. For too long there has been no competition, and they just hold us to ransom providing mediocre care. This needs to end! I want a choice!
2851
26/03/2020 11:13:01 8 1
bbc
@2841 babyoda "it’s time to introduce a new health service that rivals NHS. they just hold us to ransom providing mediocre care. I want a choice!" You have 2 choices: 1, Private sector 2, Leaving the UK, becoming a citizen of another country & using their healthcare system After the repeated, disgusting slurs you've made against NHS nurses I sincerely hope you choose the 2nd.
26/03/2020 11:05:26 6 0
bbc
2842 whoami "NHS managers were refusing to increase stocks in January despite supplier warnings. " No money. The supply budget for 2019/2020 was already allocated. They can't order new equipment until the new financial year starts in April.
2852
26/03/2020 11:13:51 0 6
bbc
@2847. Suppliers were warning of potential shortages. NHS buyers hadn't the gumption to escalate to the higher tiers of management. There is always contingency funding. But NHS managers prefer not to make decisions...
26/03/2020 11:22:35 5 1
bbc
2852 whoami "NHS buyers hadn't the gumption to escalate to the higher tiers of management. " I don't know what universe you live in, but if I went to my management and said that I want to spend a big chunk of next year's budget in January I would be rejected. What contingency fund? The NHS is chronically underfunded. In such circumstances contingency funds get used up fast.
26/03/2020 11:29:19 5 0
bbc
2852 whoami I did some quick research. Admin is 8% of the NHS budget, so probably 8% of the staff. This is lower than any other sector I know. For example, an armoured battalion of 35 tanks has 150 combat troops and another 450 in support.
2853
26/03/2020 11:16:52 2 0
bbc
Charity work- great! But what charity has been donating by the rich and elite for the assistance of the government's other pronouncements? The employed get only a percentage of their wages, so in effect donating the difference to government, and the rich, the banks, the other financial institutions?
2854
JJ
bbc
Removed
2855
JJ
bbc
Wake up and protest, before you’re told to lay flat on the floor and pray. That is 111 advice, not the praying bit, yet. Removed
2856
26/03/2020 11:18:33 4 3
bbc
How nice to see that good old British spirit is still there and the Majority are up for the fight. 10,000 ventilators on order from Dyson more tests carried out here than anywhere else across Europe. People ought to recognise the facts every country got caught on the hop nobody was prepared for this.
2857
GTB
26/03/2020 11:20:54 4 3
bbc
Yeah, good to see that Dyson has got involved working on creating a new type of ventilator from scratch. If anyone can do it, Dyson can because they have always invested a lot in research and development.
26/03/2020 11:13:51 0 6
bbc
@2847. Suppliers were warning of potential shortages. NHS buyers hadn't the gumption to escalate to the higher tiers of management. There is always contingency funding. But NHS managers prefer not to make decisions...
2858
26/03/2020 11:22:35 5 1
bbc
2852 whoami "NHS buyers hadn't the gumption to escalate to the higher tiers of management. " I don't know what universe you live in, but if I went to my management and said that I want to spend a big chunk of next year's budget in January I would be rejected. What contingency fund? The NHS is chronically underfunded. In such circumstances contingency funds get used up fast.
2859
R1
26/03/2020 11:23:06 4 5
bbc
Why are GPs , the BMA, and the BBC so negative about the UK and the virus ? Why do they all have such a huge lack of understanding logistical matters ? Perhaps they are all aliens looking to take over the Earth !! Please remember that a half empty glass is also half full.
26/03/2020 11:27:48 8 1
bbc
2859.R1 Why are GPs , the BMA, and the BBC so negative about the UK and the virus ? Why do they all have such a huge lack of understanding logistical matters ? Perhaps they are all aliens looking to take over the Earth !! Please remember that a half empty glass is also half full. = Yes what would GPs and the BMA know? Are you serious? Tell us all your particular expertise?
26/03/2020 11:42:56 6 0
bbc
@2859. R1 "Why are GPs , the BMA, and the BBC so negative..." Maybe because they know what they are talking about, and aren't taken in by government spin and propaganda.
JJ
26/03/2020 10:21:15 3 3
bbc
2811 Debbie Cummings’ frontman is like Chamberlain, waving pieces of paper and announcing “testing in our time” and other pearls. A decent person would walk, recognising that he doesn’t possess the skills, he’s a chancer who got “lucky”. There’s no need for a lengthy process, Tory MPs could re-appoint PM May & convene a cross-party govt. This is a crisis - we need direction & unity.
2860
26/03/2020 11:23:06 1 4
bbc
2816. JJ: There’s no need for a lengthy process, Tory MPs could re-appoint PM May & convene a cross-party govt. This is a crisis - we need direction & unity. And you think we'll get it from Theresa May and a cross-party government? I don't see any realistic PM at the moment who could deal with this.
R1
26/03/2020 11:23:06 4 5
bbc
Why are GPs , the BMA, and the BBC so negative about the UK and the virus ? Why do they all have such a huge lack of understanding logistical matters ? Perhaps they are all aliens looking to take over the Earth !! Please remember that a half empty glass is also half full.
2861
26/03/2020 11:27:48 8 1
bbc
2859.R1 Why are GPs , the BMA, and the BBC so negative about the UK and the virus ? Why do they all have such a huge lack of understanding logistical matters ? Perhaps they are all aliens looking to take over the Earth !! Please remember that a half empty glass is also half full. = Yes what would GPs and the BMA know? Are you serious? Tell us all your particular expertise?
26/03/2020 11:13:51 0 6
bbc
@2847. Suppliers were warning of potential shortages. NHS buyers hadn't the gumption to escalate to the higher tiers of management. There is always contingency funding. But NHS managers prefer not to make decisions...
2862
26/03/2020 11:29:19 5 0
bbc
2852 whoami I did some quick research. Admin is 8% of the NHS budget, so probably 8% of the staff. This is lower than any other sector I know. For example, an armoured battalion of 35 tanks has 150 combat troops and another 450 in support.
26/03/2020 11:09:09 3 1
bbc
@2849. 2% of the NHS Budget is over £2 billion pounds. Now imagine that as frontline investment in Health Care Professionals.
2863
26/03/2020 11:31:00 3 1
bbc
2850. Posted byWhoamIon 20 minutes ago @2849. 2% of the NHS Budget is over £2 billion pounds. Now imagine that as frontline investment in Health Care Professionals. = BUT you would NOT have the hospitals that PFI built would you?? Now YOU imagine that??
26/03/2020 12:04:37 1 1
bbc
@2863. Eatonrifle @2850. WhoamI In 2010 the UK spent 7.6% of GDP on the NHS In 2020 that was planned to be 7.1% (an effective cut of 6.5%) UK GDP £2T 0.5% of £2T = £10B Imagine that extra £10B per year spent on the NHS.
2864
26/03/2020 11:34:32 4 3
bbc
Name a country across Europe that has their approach right and is not suffering, this virus does not care who your leader is much less the approach they take. Come on then give me the winning formula
26/03/2020 11:54:12 5 0
bbc
@2864. Puds2 Pretty much every country across Europe and indeed across the globe are moving towards the same approach. Some are taking longer than others to get there, but they are all moving to the one Chine, Korea and Japan used. Mass testing, lock down of population, and rapid scale up of medical capacity. Some have done it directly, others have taken more time to adopt it like the UK.
JJ
26/03/2020 11:45:34 1 2
bbc
2864 puds Total lockdown of all non truly essential work No schools open - the current scheme is crazy No tubes or buses Food parcels for all over 70s / vulnerable £1,000 per month to every adult whatever employment status Rent & mortgage holiday for 3 months Deliver PPE to NHS instead of pussyfooting around / penny pinching
2865
26/03/2020 11:36:13 5 4
bbc
Gaz good to see that Dyson has got involved working on creating a new type of ventilator from scratch. If anyone can do itDyson can because they have always invested a lot in research and development. = Yeap, our tax money going to the Leave Leader who left the UK to set up in Malaysia taking our jobs with him and now pays no tax in the UK Dyson should be ashamed of himself and his greed
26/03/2020 11:43:26 0 4
bbc
2865. lynda randall Yeap, our tax money going to the Leave Leader who left the UK to set up in Malaysia taking our jobs with him and now pays no tax in the UK Dyson should be ashamed of himself and his greed - https://news.sky.com/story/britains-top-taxpayers-are-revealed-in-list-11619070 He paid more tax than you will ever do.
26/03/2020 11:04:26 2 1
bbc
What does Arlene Foster say - she cost us a billion.
2866
26/03/2020 11:39:34 2 0
bbc
2846. Posted by Ray Devon on 32 minutes ago What does Arlene Foster say - she cost us a billion. - Yes to anything the Tories ask of her including bending over backwards
2867
26/03/2020 11:40:35 1 5
bbc
Its emerged the predicted UK death toll will be barely more than a bad flu year. 20,000 vs 17,000 in 2008/9.. the lockdown and its effects of millions of job losses and collapses of businesses will be far worse than a few extra thousand dying who were predicted to die in 9-12 months in any case. Some think this is a manufactured event to cause the global financial reset the globalists wanted.
26/03/2020 11:47:28 3 1
bbc
@2867. karlra "...the predicted UK death toll will be barely more than a bad flu year. 20,000 vs 17,000 in 2008/9.." That is the figure with the lockdown, assuming that we only have 1 wave of deaths and it doesn't return after we release restrictions, and is in addition to the normal deaths associated with flu, not instead of it. Without lockdown the figure was estimated to be 500,000
26/03/2020 11:51:00 4 0
bbc
2867 karira "Its emerged the predicted UK death toll will be barely more than a bad flu year. " I don't know where you are getting your figures. The epidemiologists are expecting to end up with 60% infection, 10% of those in hospital and 1% dead In the UK that is 60% of 70 million, 42 million. 4.2 million will need hospital treatment and 420,000 will be killed.
2868
26/03/2020 11:41:45 6 0
bbc
The volunteer scheme is a tory stunt, designed to trick well meaning people into thinking they can help others. There will not be the resources to match volunteers to needs and most people who have put themselves forward will never be called on to do anything. Would have been far more productive to support local voluntary action and existing organisations.
26/03/2020 11:44:27 3 2
bbc
2868. Oh Jeremy Bentham Please may I make clear I have never voted Tory nor ever will. And of course there will be flaws and failings in this. But for once I actually know what I'm talking about. The charity I work for helps recruit and coordinate volunteers and there are groups absolutely specific to the current crisis that have been formed to deal with it.
R1
26/03/2020 11:23:06 4 5
bbc
Why are GPs , the BMA, and the BBC so negative about the UK and the virus ? Why do they all have such a huge lack of understanding logistical matters ? Perhaps they are all aliens looking to take over the Earth !! Please remember that a half empty glass is also half full.
2869
26/03/2020 11:42:56 6 0
bbc
@2859. R1 "Why are GPs , the BMA, and the BBC so negative..." Maybe because they know what they are talking about, and aren't taken in by government spin and propaganda.
26/03/2020 11:36:13 5 4
bbc
Gaz good to see that Dyson has got involved working on creating a new type of ventilator from scratch. If anyone can do itDyson can because they have always invested a lot in research and development. = Yeap, our tax money going to the Leave Leader who left the UK to set up in Malaysia taking our jobs with him and now pays no tax in the UK Dyson should be ashamed of himself and his greed
2870
26/03/2020 11:43:26 0 4
bbc
2865. lynda randall Yeap, our tax money going to the Leave Leader who left the UK to set up in Malaysia taking our jobs with him and now pays no tax in the UK Dyson should be ashamed of himself and his greed - https://news.sky.com/story/britains-top-taxpayers-are-revealed-in-list-11619070 He paid more tax than you will ever do.
26/03/2020 12:07:59 4 1
bbc
2870. Posted byrejoiceon 12 minutes ago He paid more tax than you will ever do. **** More imore tax yes but not necessary the "moral" amount Mr Dysan Tory supporter Tory donator He won't be cheap Money merry go round Tories give Dyson contract,Dyson makes lot of money,Dyson makes donation to Tory party He's not in it for his health Excuse the pun !!!!
26/03/2020 11:41:45 6 0
bbc
The volunteer scheme is a tory stunt, designed to trick well meaning people into thinking they can help others. There will not be the resources to match volunteers to needs and most people who have put themselves forward will never be called on to do anything. Would have been far more productive to support local voluntary action and existing organisations.
2871
26/03/2020 11:44:27 3 2
bbc
2868. Oh Jeremy Bentham Please may I make clear I have never voted Tory nor ever will. And of course there will be flaws and failings in this. But for once I actually know what I'm talking about. The charity I work for helps recruit and coordinate volunteers and there are groups absolutely specific to the current crisis that have been formed to deal with it.
26/03/2020 11:51:51 5 0
bbc
2871 ' the charity..helps recruit and coordinate volunteers and there are groups absolutely specific to the current crisis that have been formed to deal with it.' Absolutely, that is why such groups should have been supported rather than doing this for propaganda purposes. A call to join local organisations backed by a well informed website would have been far more productive.
26/03/2020 11:40:35 1 5
bbc
Its emerged the predicted UK death toll will be barely more than a bad flu year. 20,000 vs 17,000 in 2008/9.. the lockdown and its effects of millions of job losses and collapses of businesses will be far worse than a few extra thousand dying who were predicted to die in 9-12 months in any case. Some think this is a manufactured event to cause the global financial reset the globalists wanted.
2872
26/03/2020 11:47:28 3 1
bbc
@2867. karlra "...the predicted UK death toll will be barely more than a bad flu year. 20,000 vs 17,000 in 2008/9.." That is the figure with the lockdown, assuming that we only have 1 wave of deaths and it doesn't return after we release restrictions, and is in addition to the normal deaths associated with flu, not instead of it. Without lockdown the figure was estimated to be 500,000
2873
JJ
bbc
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26/03/2020 11:40:35 1 5
bbc
Its emerged the predicted UK death toll will be barely more than a bad flu year. 20,000 vs 17,000 in 2008/9.. the lockdown and its effects of millions of job losses and collapses of businesses will be far worse than a few extra thousand dying who were predicted to die in 9-12 months in any case. Some think this is a manufactured event to cause the global financial reset the globalists wanted.
2875
26/03/2020 11:51:00 4 0
bbc
2867 karira "Its emerged the predicted UK death toll will be barely more than a bad flu year. " I don't know where you are getting your figures. The epidemiologists are expecting to end up with 60% infection, 10% of those in hospital and 1% dead In the UK that is 60% of 70 million, 42 million. 4.2 million will need hospital treatment and 420,000 will be killed.
26/03/2020 12:34:02 1 1
bbc
2875, 2885 continued We can expect 4.2 million Covid-19 hospital cases over the next 18 months. That averages 7700 admissions per day. At 10 days ventilation per case we will need 77,000 ventilators. And that ignores peaks and waves.??
26/03/2020 11:44:27 3 2
bbc
2868. Oh Jeremy Bentham Please may I make clear I have never voted Tory nor ever will. And of course there will be flaws and failings in this. But for once I actually know what I'm talking about. The charity I work for helps recruit and coordinate volunteers and there are groups absolutely specific to the current crisis that have been formed to deal with it.
2876
26/03/2020 11:51:51 5 0
bbc
2871 ' the charity..helps recruit and coordinate volunteers and there are groups absolutely specific to the current crisis that have been formed to deal with it.' Absolutely, that is why such groups should have been supported rather than doing this for propaganda purposes. A call to join local organisations backed by a well informed website would have been far more productive.
26/03/2020 11:34:32 4 3
bbc
Name a country across Europe that has their approach right and is not suffering, this virus does not care who your leader is much less the approach they take. Come on then give me the winning formula
2877
26/03/2020 11:54:12 5 0
bbc
@2864. Puds2 Pretty much every country across Europe and indeed across the globe are moving towards the same approach. Some are taking longer than others to get there, but they are all moving to the one Chine, Korea and Japan used. Mass testing, lock down of population, and rapid scale up of medical capacity. Some have done it directly, others have taken more time to adopt it like the UK.
26/03/2020 11:34:32 4 3
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Name a country across Europe that has their approach right and is not suffering, this virus does not care who your leader is much less the approach they take. Come on then give me the winning formula
2878
JJ
26/03/2020 11:45:34 1 2
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2864 puds Total lockdown of all non truly essential work No schools open - the current scheme is crazy No tubes or buses Food parcels for all over 70s / vulnerable £1,000 per month to every adult whatever employment status Rent & mortgage holiday for 3 months Deliver PPE to NHS instead of pussyfooting around / penny pinching
2879
26/03/2020 11:51:34 1 1
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While thanking those good people he should also name and shame shirkers not following HMG advice like builders merchants shutting so builders cannot carry on, like utility companies still banking your standing charges but not spending on any planned maintenance or new connections just so they can claim the 80% subsidy and build a big cash mountain. Tell both they are illegible for the Grant.
26/03/2020 13:33:54 4 0
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2879. Eric. Builders merchants are on the essential services list so do not have to close down. Most have taken steps to limit contact with customers including no in store purchases, restricting to delivery or click and collect.
26/03/2020 11:31:00 3 1
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2850. Posted byWhoamIon 20 minutes ago @2849. 2% of the NHS Budget is over £2 billion pounds. Now imagine that as frontline investment in Health Care Professionals. = BUT you would NOT have the hospitals that PFI built would you?? Now YOU imagine that??
2880
26/03/2020 12:04:37 1 1
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@2863. Eatonrifle @2850. WhoamI In 2010 the UK spent 7.6% of GDP on the NHS In 2020 that was planned to be 7.1% (an effective cut of 6.5%) UK GDP £2T 0.5% of £2T = £10B Imagine that extra £10B per year spent on the NHS.
26/03/2020 11:43:26 0 4
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2865. lynda randall Yeap, our tax money going to the Leave Leader who left the UK to set up in Malaysia taking our jobs with him and now pays no tax in the UK Dyson should be ashamed of himself and his greed - https://news.sky.com/story/britains-top-taxpayers-are-revealed-in-list-11619070 He paid more tax than you will ever do.
2881
26/03/2020 12:07:59 4 1
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2870. Posted byrejoiceon 12 minutes ago He paid more tax than you will ever do. **** More imore tax yes but not necessary the "moral" amount Mr Dysan Tory supporter Tory donator He won't be cheap Money merry go round Tories give Dyson contract,Dyson makes lot of money,Dyson makes donation to Tory party He's not in it for his health Excuse the pun !!!!
26/03/2020 12:11:21 2 1
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2881. pitstop More imore tax yes but not necessary the "moral" amount Mr Dysan Tory supporter Tory donator He won't be cheap Money merry go round Tories give Dyson contract,Dyson makes lot of money,Dyson makes donation to Tory party He's not in it for his health Excuse the pun !!!! - and welcome how the rest of the world works....not specific to Dyson. still more than Amazon.
26/03/2020 12:07:59 4 1
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2870. Posted byrejoiceon 12 minutes ago He paid more tax than you will ever do. **** More imore tax yes but not necessary the "moral" amount Mr Dysan Tory supporter Tory donator He won't be cheap Money merry go round Tories give Dyson contract,Dyson makes lot of money,Dyson makes donation to Tory party He's not in it for his health Excuse the pun !!!!
2882
26/03/2020 12:11:21 2 1
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2881. pitstop More imore tax yes but not necessary the "moral" amount Mr Dysan Tory supporter Tory donator He won't be cheap Money merry go round Tories give Dyson contract,Dyson makes lot of money,Dyson makes donation to Tory party He's not in it for his health Excuse the pun !!!! - and welcome how the rest of the world works....not specific to Dyson. still more than Amazon.
26/03/2020 12:24:28 1 0
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2882. Posted byrejoiceon 3 minutes ago 2881. pitstop and welcome how the rest of the world works....not specific to Dyson. still more than Amazon. 1) that was the point I was making 2) Still doesn't make him an angel
26/03/2020 10:58:31 1 7
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it’s time to introduce a new health service that rivals the NHS. For too long there has been no competition, and they just hold us to ransom providing mediocre care. This needs to end! I want a choice!
2883
26/03/2020 12:11:51 2 2
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@2841 babyoda "it’s time to introduce a new health service that rivals NHS. they just hold us to ransom providing mediocre care." The NHS don't charge, it is 'free at the point of delivery' so are by definition are not holding anyone to ransom. Now across the pond in the USA healthcare is the leading cause of bankruptcy and costs the country 17% of GDP, now that is holding people to ransom
26/03/2020 12:16:23 3 0
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2883. Stuart Good points. Heaven forbid we should ever adopt the callous US system (you know who having wrecked his predecessor's attempts to improve it!). That said, I can see a case for some kind of European-style social insurance scheme with a safety net. South Korea seem to be coping best with current crisis - I wonder what their health care model is?
26/03/2020 12:11:51 2 2
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@2841 babyoda "it’s time to introduce a new health service that rivals NHS. they just hold us to ransom providing mediocre care." The NHS don't charge, it is 'free at the point of delivery' so are by definition are not holding anyone to ransom. Now across the pond in the USA healthcare is the leading cause of bankruptcy and costs the country 17% of GDP, now that is holding people to ransom
2884
26/03/2020 12:16:23 3 0
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2883. Stuart Good points. Heaven forbid we should ever adopt the callous US system (you know who having wrecked his predecessor's attempts to improve it!). That said, I can see a case for some kind of European-style social insurance scheme with a safety net. South Korea seem to be coping best with current crisis - I wonder what their health care model is?
2885
26/03/2020 12:21:46 4 1
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Let's see. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8122417/NHS-chief-Simon-Stevens-says-12-000-ventilators-coronavirus-patients-weeks.html The NHS has 12,000 ventilators available. An average hospital case will spend 10 days on a ventilator. The NHS can therefore accept 1200 Covid-19 cases per day. There were 1452 reported cases yesterday, mostly from hospital admissions.
26/03/2020 12:11:21 2 1
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2881. pitstop More imore tax yes but not necessary the "moral" amount Mr Dysan Tory supporter Tory donator He won't be cheap Money merry go round Tories give Dyson contract,Dyson makes lot of money,Dyson makes donation to Tory party He's not in it for his health Excuse the pun !!!! - and welcome how the rest of the world works....not specific to Dyson. still more than Amazon.
2886
26/03/2020 12:24:28 1 0
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2882. Posted byrejoiceon 3 minutes ago 2881. pitstop and welcome how the rest of the world works....not specific to Dyson. still more than Amazon. 1) that was the point I was making 2) Still doesn't make him an angel
2887
26/03/2020 12:31:01 5 0
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Mr Dysan Tory supporter Tory donator He won't be cheap Money merry go round Tories give Dyson contract,Dyson makes lot of money,Dyson makes donation to Tory party He's not in it for his health Excuse the pun !!!! Yes it's "the way of the world" but tell that to someone who is going to miss out
26/03/2020 12:44:58 1 0
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2887 pitstop "Yes it's "the way of the world" but tell that to someone who is going to miss out" If you are only going to buy ventilators from suppliers who meet your high standards then you won't be buying many ventilators.
26/03/2020 11:51:00 4 0
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2867 karira "Its emerged the predicted UK death toll will be barely more than a bad flu year. " I don't know where you are getting your figures. The epidemiologists are expecting to end up with 60% infection, 10% of those in hospital and 1% dead In the UK that is 60% of 70 million, 42 million. 4.2 million will need hospital treatment and 420,000 will be killed.
2888
26/03/2020 12:34:02 1 1
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2875, 2885 continued We can expect 4.2 million Covid-19 hospital cases over the next 18 months. That averages 7700 admissions per day. At 10 days ventilation per case we will need 77,000 ventilators. And that ignores peaks and waves.??
2889
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Removed
2890
26/03/2020 12:44:28 6 7
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As you sow, so you shall reap. The Brexiter demand to reduce the UK population is happening, but they didn’t expect it be from their ranks. This is the calm before the storm, the UK has no spare ventilators now, but massive morgue space is being prepared. Brexiter Tory malign negligence, and recent complete incompetence will be held to task, eventually.
26/03/2020 13:10:01 2 4
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2890 So far off topic you are in a different galaxy. What on earth has this to do with Brexit? Stop sounding off to make ridiculous points - this is where freedom of movement gets you, even though your beloved EU has shut its borders when it suited some countries. EU disappeared off the edge of a cliff.
26/03/2020 12:31:01 5 0
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Mr Dysan Tory supporter Tory donator He won't be cheap Money merry go round Tories give Dyson contract,Dyson makes lot of money,Dyson makes donation to Tory party He's not in it for his health Excuse the pun !!!! Yes it's "the way of the world" but tell that to someone who is going to miss out
2891
26/03/2020 12:44:58 1 0
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2887 pitstop "Yes it's "the way of the world" but tell that to someone who is going to miss out" If you are only going to buy ventilators from suppliers who meet your high standards then you won't be buying many ventilators.
2892
26/03/2020 12:48:20 4 2
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Recap - 2017 - Tory MPs Cheer After Blocking a Pay Rise for Nurses, Teachers, Police & Firefighters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm1eeXnvn9Q
2893
26/03/2020 12:48:20 5 0
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Most folk are fantastic, but currently feeling a bit shaky. Someone came into the charity where I work (still open, but limited services) and swore at me because I couldn't help him. I wielded (didn't set off) panic alarm and ordered him to leave. But was I just as bad as him in a way? We're all on edge, maybe I should have tried reasoning. Sorry if this is off-topic.
26/03/2020 13:47:21 5 0
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2893 Debbiebee1 - Response to aggressive customer I don't think your post was at all off topic - HYS is giving us the chance to say how we feel about the situation and about one another, so is exactly the right forum. I suspect that the most aggressive and outspoken people on here are the most fearful.
26/03/2020 12:44:28 6 7
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As you sow, so you shall reap. The Brexiter demand to reduce the UK population is happening, but they didn’t expect it be from their ranks. This is the calm before the storm, the UK has no spare ventilators now, but massive morgue space is being prepared. Brexiter Tory malign negligence, and recent complete incompetence will be held to task, eventually.
2894
26/03/2020 13:10:01 2 4
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2890 So far off topic you are in a different galaxy. What on earth has this to do with Brexit? Stop sounding off to make ridiculous points - this is where freedom of movement gets you, even though your beloved EU has shut its borders when it suited some countries. EU disappeared off the edge of a cliff.
26/03/2020 13:15:14 5 3
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2894. Hooded Claw As Brexiters sow, so they shall reap.
CH
26/03/2020 13:51:33 4 1
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2894. The Hooded Claw "What on earth has this to do with Brexit?" It might have something to do with the exodus of EU workers from the NHS because Brexiters keep abusing them? We wouldn't be crying out for this amount of extra staff if the dregs of UK society actually used their brains for a change.
2895
26/03/2020 13:14:03 4 3
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tory hypocrite.
26/03/2020 13:32:03 4 2
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2895 - Ray Devon “Tory hypocrites”. Are you suggesting that hypocrisy is without question exclusive to the Cons?
26/03/2020 13:10:01 2 4
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2890 So far off topic you are in a different galaxy. What on earth has this to do with Brexit? Stop sounding off to make ridiculous points - this is where freedom of movement gets you, even though your beloved EU has shut its borders when it suited some countries. EU disappeared off the edge of a cliff.
2896
26/03/2020 13:15:14 5 3
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2894. Hooded Claw As Brexiters sow, so they shall reap.
2897
26/03/2020 13:20:57 3 4
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All those volunteers! What a change from the sniping keyboard warriars that predominate on here. How many of those, though, even have a vote in this country? Shame that they have nought else better to do over there!!
#2897 All those volunteers! What a change from the sniping keyboard warriars that predominate on here. ——- You excluded of course Billboy.
2898
26/03/2020 13:26:10 4 1
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You had your lunch break, yet, Ray Devon? Try thinking up something new instead of repeating yourself and re-cycling others' comments!!
26/03/2020 13:14:03 4 3
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tory hypocrite.
2899
26/03/2020 13:32:03 4 2
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2895 - Ray Devon “Tory hypocrites”. Are you suggesting that hypocrisy is without question exclusive to the Cons?
26/03/2020 14:11:44 4 3
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2899. Posted by omegaman on 36 minutes ago 2895 - Ray Devon “Tory hypocrites”. Are you suggesting that hypocrisy is without question exclusive to the Cons? ' No. Are you ? Tories are found everywhere, but never for the good.
2900
26/03/2020 13:33:03 5 4
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It was wrong of Boris to ask Dyson to make the ventilators we need. According to Militants, on this site, Boris should have asked that Man-of-the-People, Comrade Corbynovsky, to get on his bike (with Diane on the back) and roam around in East Germany, requisitioning millions of beautifully made East German Vents.