Scotland-NI bridge is £20bn 'vanity project'
14/02/2020 | news | uk | 744
Scotland's transport minister criticises Boris Johnson for not consulting Holyrood over the idea.
A truly terrible idea, why would we want a bridge to NI? The west of Scotland is bad enough without making it easier for the knuckle draggers (of both sides) to get to each other. A huge amount of money just to make society worse, why? Removed
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1, Where is the money coming from? 2. Will there be a cast iron promise the projected cost will not be exceeded? See HS2 for comparison. If exceeded, will the contractors be liable for compensation ? 3. Will the contractors be prevented from going into liquidation to avoid paying compensation ? 4. How much better will traffic be between the countries? I see another fiasco looming.
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Boris Johnson described it as a "very interesting idea", while Ireland's premier Leo Varadkar said it was "worth examining" ===== What's it got to do with Leo Varadkar? This is a bridge linking two parts of the UK together.
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2.Everybody Loves Chelmsford. What's it got to do with Leo Varadkar? -- It will make it much easier for his country to export goods via road to England, via NI and Scotland.
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@2.Everybody Loves Chelmsford -"What's it got to do with Leo Varadkar? This is a bridge linking two parts of the UK together" Your geography of today is correct but if/when this white elephant is built it will then be linking 2 entities of the EU together (Scotland and Ireland) so Leo is looking to the future and not sticking his head. He, unlike the Neysayers, can see the writing on the wall.
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2. Posted by Everybody Loves Chelmsford "What's it got to do with Leo Varadkar? This is a bridge linking two parts of the UK together." Currently. By the time it's finished it will be linking two parts of the EU.
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Did anyone else check the date to make sure it wasn't the 1st April?
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Boris Johnson’s plan to avoid a border in the Irish Sea!
If this is a "£20Bn Vanity project", what is HS2? I believe the latest cost estimate for HS2 is £120Bn.... Removed
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Another HYS on the lunacy bridge. Where is the one for the disgraced politician who is supposed to be good at sums? The BBC is trying to do it's very best for the cult.
I seem to remember sturgeon promoting this last year, now because its a Westminster initiative its now a vanity project. Would have thought the snp would be up for it, easier to visit their terrorist friends. Removed
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I only wish it could be built but can't help but think it's a premeditated timely distraction from cost of HS2 and other unfortunate news. Shame, it would be fantastic IF workable.
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DUMB Idea A tunnel make MUCH more SENSE.
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@9 I think the tunnel option was ruled out due to the depth and layout of the seabed. A bridge would be fantastic as it would do away with the slow and grossly overpriced fares the ferry companies charge. I'd be happy to pay £50 for a return toll charge. It would save on money and time.
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14/02/2020 13:19:22 12 3
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What about a huge catapult instead.We could fire livestock back and forth first as a tester..
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Expert engineers say it is not a practical proposition. Expert munition specialists say it isn't a good idea piling or contrasting near the dyke with so much munitions sitting there. Infrastructure engineers saying it will cost as much again to get roads to the bridge and be of no benefit to anyone. BoJo - What a great idea! lets get it done! I've got some friends who need some extra cash!
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11. Posted byCalyMacon 17 minutes ago Expert engineers say it is not a practical proposition. Expert munition specialists say it isn't a good idea piling or contrasting near the dyke with so much munitions sitting there. -- We live in the Gove + Johnson "The public are sick of experts" world now, keep up!!
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Boris Johnson described it as a "very interesting idea", while Ireland's premier Leo Varadkar said it was "worth examining" ===== What's it got to do with Leo Varadkar? This is a bridge linking two parts of the UK together.
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2.Everybody Loves Chelmsford. What's it got to do with Leo Varadkar? -- It will make it much easier for his country to export goods via road to England, via NI and Scotland.
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Still laughing at the above "Cheaper option but poor transport links" Everywhere around there has POOR transports links. Get a grip ! Never mind the hugh munitions dump in the middle of the sea. Should this story not have come out on April 1st
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@13 It's called Beaufort Dyke and it's about 200-300 metres deep so no great threat when you take into consideration the impact munitions had on the Dover tunnel. Most of the options for the bridge involve floating pontoons as opposed to the use of piers for fixed bridge supports. Thank goodness for the Discovery Channel.
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Surprise surprise...nationalists are opposed to it... unionists support it. Would be great if it happens.
A cheaper solution would be to make Boris stand at PortPatrick and just let him talk long enough that we may make the crossing walking along his nose. Removed
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Nicola will not object, if its called the Nicola bridge, and she gets her photograph taken with statues of her at either end!
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14/02/2020 13:19:02 5 8
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DUMB Idea A tunnel make MUCH more SENSE.
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@9 I think the tunnel option was ruled out due to the depth and layout of the seabed. A bridge would be fantastic as it would do away with the slow and grossly overpriced fares the ferry companies charge. I'd be happy to pay £50 for a return toll charge. It would save on money and time.
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A drawbridge would be Nicola’s choice
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This whole idea stinks. A tunnel makes more sense. Even a bigger ferry makes more sense.
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19. Il Cattivoon This whole idea stinks. A tunnel makes more sense. --- You couldn't drive through a tunnel that long (the fumes would kill you). Loading trucks on and off a train would offset all the benefits unless you built a high speed Belfast-Glasgow rail link and that would be HS2 budget not £20bn. The current ferry sucks. I like the idea.
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14/02/2020 13:28:57 121 8
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Read this article and yet again am astounded by the shallow nature of BBC journalism. Has your reporter ever travelled to Portpatrick or the Mull of Kintyre. The road networks to both these bridgeheads are absolutely woeful. Before any bridge was viable either road would need massive improvement. The cost would be at least as much as the bridge otherwise the bridge would be a white elephant.
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#20 - the report says that the Mull of Kintyre route is a no-goer. The road to Portpatrick or nearby (I can't see them demolishing the town) would be included in the costs. However it is all in BoJo's head, it is not going to happen!!!
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14/02/2020 13:30:48 14 12
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Colonialism in the raw. PM sitting in London belches forth an idea on for an area he little understands, and doesn't govern in practical terms.
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Why stop there? Let’s build one from Portrush to Newfound Land?
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This is just a carrot to dangle in front of Unionists while they get used to being separated from GB
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“ Mr Matheson said the money earmarked for a new bridge would be better spent on projects "that will improve lives".” Starting with Govanhill ? Who runs that’s wee sideshow I wonder ?
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The SNP can never support this. Their puppet master wee green pat would have an episode if they tried it. The greens after all stopped the road being duelled only a few months back. Without wee green pat and his mentalists, the SNP would have to actually deal with a proper party to pass legislation. I can only hope it’s more important than banning straws at Holyrood.
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What the artist impression fails to show is the queue of traffic caused by the customs checks. Personnaly I think its a folly. Wait until the first submerged nuclear sub crashes into it.
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A vanity project of doubtful value and uncertain cost. Not like the Edinburgh trams then.
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Still laughing at the above "Cheaper option but poor transport links" Everywhere around there has POOR transports links. Get a grip ! Never mind the hugh munitions dump in the middle of the sea. Should this story not have come out on April 1st
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@13 It's called Beaufort Dyke and it's about 200-300 metres deep so no great threat when you take into consideration the impact munitions had on the Dover tunnel. Most of the options for the bridge involve floating pontoons as opposed to the use of piers for fixed bridge supports. Thank goodness for the Discovery Channel.
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28. Posted byUtrinque Paratus 4 minutes ago @13 Wow, your a bit serious today, however must agree, Discovery Channel, excellent.
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Read this article and yet again am astounded by the shallow nature of BBC journalism. Has your reporter ever travelled to Portpatrick or the Mull of Kintyre. The road networks to both these bridgeheads are absolutely woeful. Before any bridge was viable either road would need massive improvement. The cost would be at least as much as the bridge otherwise the bridge would be a white elephant.
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#20 - the report says that the Mull of Kintyre route is a no-goer. The road to Portpatrick or nearby (I can't see them demolishing the town) would be included in the costs. However it is all in BoJo's head, it is not going to happen!!!
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14/02/2020 13:37:12 26 9
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If, as the headline suggests, this is a 'vanity project'. then surely our strutting peacock of a first minister will be all over this like a wasp on a jam-pot. Oh, 'eck!
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This whole idea stinks. A tunnel makes more sense. Even a bigger ferry makes more sense.
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19. Il Cattivoon This whole idea stinks. A tunnel makes more sense. --- You couldn't drive through a tunnel that long (the fumes would kill you). Loading trucks on and off a train would offset all the benefits unless you built a high speed Belfast-Glasgow rail link and that would be HS2 budget not £20bn. The current ferry sucks. I like the idea.
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Expert engineers say it is not a practical proposition. Expert munition specialists say it isn't a good idea piling or contrasting near the dyke with so much munitions sitting there. Infrastructure engineers saying it will cost as much again to get roads to the bridge and be of no benefit to anyone. BoJo - What a great idea! lets get it done! I've got some friends who need some extra cash!
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11. Posted byCalyMacon 17 minutes ago Expert engineers say it is not a practical proposition. Expert munition specialists say it isn't a good idea piling or contrasting near the dyke with so much munitions sitting there. -- We live in the Gove + Johnson "The public are sick of experts" world now, keep up!!
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14/02/2020 13:39:53 2 4
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One can only imagine what Irish Republicans will make of it.
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14/02/2020 13:41:34 11 6
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The UK should definitely build the bridge. Then when Scotland and Northern Ireland leave the UK we will have a shiny new bridge mainly paid for by another country. I think that's what you call 'a result'!
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14/02/2020 13:43:15 8 7
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Could be useful to develop cooperation between a united Ireland and independent Scotland. Plus England is very kindly going to pay for it. Otherwise it makes no sense.
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14/02/2020 13:43:35 115 25
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A vanity project of doubtful value and uncertain cost. Not like the Scottish Parliament building, not like the Edinburgh trams??
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37. You forgot to mention the refurbishment of Big Ben.
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A vanity project of doubtful value and uncertain cost. Not like the Scottish Parliament building, not like the Edinburgh trams??
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37. You forgot to mention the refurbishment of Big Ben.
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@13 It's called Beaufort Dyke and it's about 200-300 metres deep so no great threat when you take into consideration the impact munitions had on the Dover tunnel. Most of the options for the bridge involve floating pontoons as opposed to the use of piers for fixed bridge supports. Thank goodness for the Discovery Channel.
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28. Posted byUtrinque Paratus 4 minutes ago @13 Wow, your a bit serious today, however must agree, Discovery Channel, excellent.
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At 10% of the population, Scottish taxpayers will be paying around £10bn of the £120bn cost for Phase 1 of HS2 and it won't even reach Leeds. So £20bn spent on a new bridge connecting up parts of the UK would be money well spent.
SNP have failed to make any improvement on peoples lives in Scotland in all the time they have been in office. Higher Income Taxes, higher Council taxes, higher business rates not forgetting a police servie and NHS in crisis. Our education system is about the worst rated in Europe and our public services are grinding to a halt. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded Removed
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41. Posted by Tufty59 Steady on Tufty! The SNP have managed to raise the price of a pint, got your kidz the vote and, as a direct result of their progressive policies, there is no safer place to be, with your rights, your health, wellbeing, welfare and employee conditions fully protected on this planet Earth, than Scotland - if, and I must emphasise this, you are a circus animal. SNP!
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Why would the Holyrood need to be consulted? It's about connecting one part of the UK to another part of the UK via a road bridge. This is the sole responsibility of the UK government. If Holyrood wants in they can pay for part of it. Maybe the Scottish government need to look at the disgrace that is the Road network connecting the Ferry ports in these areas to the rest of the UK.
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#42 "......If Holyrood wants in they can pay for part of it......" Think you will find Holyrood is already paying part of it....just like HS2
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I've no idea of the state of the roads in NI, but it would cost at least twice as much as the bridge to upgrade the roads on this side, according to a highly respected civil engineer. it would take decades, if it ever went ahead, which it ain't. Why not spend that sort of money upgrading the A1 through most of Northumberland to dual carriageway, it's abysmal year round & even worse in summer.
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At least show the traffic travelling on the correct side of the road (see 1st pic above) - or is there something we haven't been told about?
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14/02/2020 13:49:08 59 4
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The bridge won't happen. The depth of the sea and the dumped munitions are reason enough to scrap the idea. The alternative suggestion of a 20+ mile pontoon doesn't look like a serious option either. Hiring engineers to investigate the viability of these routes will do nothing but waste taxpayer's money. £20m would be better spent on improving rail and road infrastructure to existing ferry ports.
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14/02/2020 13:49:18 17 7
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Remember Bojo managed to squander £53m on a bridge that only crossed a river in London (but was never built) so how much is he going to award to his pals doon sooth for this ludicrous bridge to Northern Ireland I could do the feasibility study right now - Stupid idea, not practical, no one wants it. Engineering nightmare - would go way over budget. Where do I claim my £53m?
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Pure hypocrisy from Matheson. The SNP (party of vanity projects) such as free sanitary products, baby boxes, etc whilst the NHS struggles. If they are not interested in this then I suggest Boris just shelves the idea and keeps the £20bn. I certainly wouldn’t want him to give it to the Vanity Party to waste on some other projects all designed to further their independence cause.
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Why would the Holyrood need to be consulted? It's about connecting one part of the UK to another part of the UK via a road bridge. This is the sole responsibility of the UK government. If Holyrood wants in they can pay for part of it. Maybe the Scottish government need to look at the disgrace that is the Road network connecting the Ferry ports in these areas to the rest of the UK.
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#42 "......If Holyrood wants in they can pay for part of it......" Think you will find Holyrood is already paying part of it....just like HS2
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48 I think you'll find they aren't building the Bridge just yet, so no Holyrood is not paying for anything yet. Secondly Holyrood is not paying for HS2. Scottish tax payers money is going towards it, just like Cornish tax payers money is but not out of Holyroods budget.
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Boris Johnson described it as a "very interesting idea", while Ireland's premier Leo Varadkar said it was "worth examining" ===== What's it got to do with Leo Varadkar? This is a bridge linking two parts of the UK together.
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@2.Everybody Loves Chelmsford -"What's it got to do with Leo Varadkar? This is a bridge linking two parts of the UK together" Your geography of today is correct but if/when this white elephant is built it will then be linking 2 entities of the EU together (Scotland and Ireland) so Leo is looking to the future and not sticking his head. He, unlike the Neysayers, can see the writing on the wall.
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49 ColinG @2."What's it got to do with Leo Varadkar? This is a bridge linking two parts of the UK together" Your geography of today is correct but if/when this white elephant is built it will then be linking 2 entities of the EU together (Scotland and Ireland) == Incorrect. It will link 2 entities of the UK together (Scotland and NI), neither of which are in the EU.
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With many inland bridges closed due to the weather today, how many days do they think a bridge across the open sea will be in use?
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14/02/2020 13:53:10 35 9
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It might well be a vanity project but frankly the SNP government should focus on their own failing (failed?) train system, 'always open no matter the weather' bridge that had to be closed due to the weather, the fiasco of millions of pounds wasted trying to build essential ferries which have never been delivered and are now rusting away in the Clyde, non-completed A9 duelling, etc. etc.
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I don't see why there is so much backlash to this. It would increase trade & commerce between people of the British Isles. It will provide jobs to some of the most deprived areas. It will also reduce our reliance on air travel between the two islands, helping us meet carbon emission quotas. Doesn't have to cost that much either, just look at what the Norwegians are building.
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A 'Pie in the sky' idea. It will never happen.
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Really rich comments from SNP Transport Minster. Transport in Scotland is a shamble. Trains, planes and Automobiles. Just look at the new bridge closing because of snow. Trains running late or not running at all. Roads blocked at the first sign of a bad weather.The suggestion that £20bn should be given to Scottish Government to waste is also rich. At least PM is doing the maths and logics.
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Mr Matheson said the money earmarked for a new bridge would be better spent on projects "that will improve lives". = You means like the lives & prospects for those of us who live in a largely forgotten area Dumfries & Galloway.. Where the transport links are woeful. We have 2 ports in Stranraer serviced by abysmal connections. So yeah build it! Screw Matheson!
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Regarding the dumped munitions: the bombs aren't fused. High explosive is unbelievably stable. That part of the Irish sea is fished silly and trawlers routinely bring up old bombs. They don't detonate. Every major city in Europe is seeded with 1000s of WW2 bombs which ARE fused. Two were found in Soho last week. People still build in London & Berlin. Its a silly argument.
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You cannot win..... If the bridge had not even been considered and dumped with no debate then the decision would have been ridiculed by little Nicola's pals. as being unfair to the Scottish people However now that there is a considered discussion or debate it is being ridiculed. How do we please those moaners who whinge like Nicola at any excuse ???
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#42 "......If Holyrood wants in they can pay for part of it......" Think you will find Holyrood is already paying part of it....just like HS2
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48 I think you'll find they aren't building the Bridge just yet, so no Holyrood is not paying for anything yet. Secondly Holyrood is not paying for HS2. Scottish tax payers money is going towards it, just like Cornish tax payers money is but not out of Holyroods budget.
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58. Gael Force “A bridge in this area would be closed from September to March because of dangerous cross winds and rough seas. Who proposed this stupidity?” It’s got DUP written all over it. Some of the dumbest on the planet.
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You would get more sensible talk out of a horse's a**e than this rhubarb nonsense. A bridge in this area would be closed from September to March because of dangerous cross winds and rough seas. Who proposed this stupidity?
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14/02/2020 13:55:11 18 7
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Tory nonsense. Campbeltown is over three hours even from the central Belt and the main road is often blocked near Arrochar. No rail connections either. Unless it's road-only (which would be environmentally weak and make Greta cry), the other option would involve rebuilding the entire Dumfries-Stranraer-Portpatrick railway. It's 'Let's make up stuff to win over those Jocks.' Won't work.
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60. KRR Tory nonsense. Campbeltown is over three hours even from the central Belt and the main road is often blocked near Arrochar. No rail connections either. --- Thats an argument for a bridge from Torr Head to Campbeltown and one from Campbeltown due west to Galloway. It would improve comms within W Scotland. China has built a 30 mile bridge from Macao to Hong Kong which survives Typhoons.
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Of course the SNP would recognise a vanity project, after all they have plenty of their own.
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61 CountryBoy at Heart 'Of course the SNP would recognise a vanity project, after all they have plenty of their own.' A new approach from a know-nothing-about-Scotland Tory HYSer. Usually it's NIKLA STURJIN DUZ NOTHING BUT BANG ON ABOUT INDY INSTEAD OF RUNNING DA COUNTRY! Now the ScoGov is doing so much, some of its activities are 'vanity projects'? Make up your, ahem, 'minds'.
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What an excellent response from the Scottish Government! Give us the £20 Billion and we will spend it on Scottish infrastructure.
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62.yes yes yes What an excellent response from the Scottish Government! Give us the £20 Billion and we will spend it on Scottish infrastructure. == Give D&G £3bn & we can reconnect Stranraer to Dumfries by rail (twin line) .. Give £2bn to the Borders so they can finish their railway to Carlisle.. That leaves £15bn to finish the tram project in Edinburgh (if its enough).. ??
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A bridge to France would make more sense
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63. Posted byMikeon 5 minutes ago A bridge to France would make more sense --- The problem with that is the sheer volume of massive ships going up and down the English channel. A million ton supertanker hitting the bridge supports wouldn't be funny. Not such a worry for the Irish sea. Also at least NI drive on the same side of the road as us! Think that problem through re French drivers.
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@2.Everybody Loves Chelmsford -"What's it got to do with Leo Varadkar? This is a bridge linking two parts of the UK together" Your geography of today is correct but if/when this white elephant is built it will then be linking 2 entities of the EU together (Scotland and Ireland) so Leo is looking to the future and not sticking his head. He, unlike the Neysayers, can see the writing on the wall.
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49 ColinG @2."What's it got to do with Leo Varadkar? This is a bridge linking two parts of the UK together" Your geography of today is correct but if/when this white elephant is built it will then be linking 2 entities of the EU together (Scotland and Ireland) == Incorrect. It will link 2 entities of the UK together (Scotland and NI), neither of which are in the EU.
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I for one believe this will happen, Boris and his chums never tell lies
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A tunnel would be cheaper and would not close due to weather. A bridge is a nearly as big a waste of money as HS2 or trident, so no doubt Westminster will plough on with it. Look at Norway, Iceland and the Faroes for the benefits and costs of tunnels.....it’s a no brainer.
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14/02/2020 13:59:14 34 6
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Money (and time) could also be better spent on improving people's lives instead of on another referendum, so this is pretty ironic from Mr Matheson. SNP as usual think it's one rule for them and another for the rest of us.
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14/02/2020 13:55:11 18 7
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Tory nonsense. Campbeltown is over three hours even from the central Belt and the main road is often blocked near Arrochar. No rail connections either. Unless it's road-only (which would be environmentally weak and make Greta cry), the other option would involve rebuilding the entire Dumfries-Stranraer-Portpatrick railway. It's 'Let's make up stuff to win over those Jocks.' Won't work.
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60. KRR Tory nonsense. Campbeltown is over three hours even from the central Belt and the main road is often blocked near Arrochar. No rail connections either. --- Thats an argument for a bridge from Torr Head to Campbeltown and one from Campbeltown due west to Galloway. It would improve comms within W Scotland. China has built a 30 mile bridge from Macao to Hong Kong which survives Typhoons.
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Of course only 18 months ago if that, Scotland's fearless leader muted this very idea herself. One as another freebie from the honest U.K tax payer and two on how it would benefit the bereaved quest for alleged ill conceived freedumbbbbb. Silly idea from the outset originally run up the flag pole within our very own "priceless" local government branch office. Need I say more! Oh Eck!
SNP have failed to make any improvement on peoples lives in Scotland in all the time they have been in office. Higher Income Taxes, higher Council taxes, higher business rates not forgetting a police servie and NHS in crisis. Our education system is about the worst rated in Europe and our public services are grinding to a halt. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded Removed
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41. Posted by Tufty59 Steady on Tufty! The SNP have managed to raise the price of a pint, got your kidz the vote and, as a direct result of their progressive policies, there is no safer place to be, with your rights, your health, wellbeing, welfare and employee conditions fully protected on this planet Earth, than Scotland - if, and I must emphasise this, you are a circus animal. SNP!
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Of course the SNP would recognise a vanity project, after all they have plenty of their own.
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14/02/2020 14:00:55 7 2
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61 CountryBoy at Heart 'Of course the SNP would recognise a vanity project, after all they have plenty of their own.' A new approach from a know-nothing-about-Scotland Tory HYSer. Usually it's NIKLA STURJIN DUZ NOTHING BUT BANG ON ABOUT INDY INSTEAD OF RUNNING DA COUNTRY! Now the ScoGov is doing so much, some of its activities are 'vanity projects'? Make up your, ahem, 'minds'.
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14/02/2020 14:01:25 7 0
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Last thing Scotland needs anything else imported from NI. The culture was more than enough.
62
14/02/2020 13:56:52 6 7
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What an excellent response from the Scottish Government! Give us the £20 Billion and we will spend it on Scottish infrastructure.
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14/02/2020 14:01:35 8 0
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62.yes yes yes What an excellent response from the Scottish Government! Give us the £20 Billion and we will spend it on Scottish infrastructure. == Give D&G £3bn & we can reconnect Stranraer to Dumfries by rail (twin line) .. Give £2bn to the Borders so they can finish their railway to Carlisle.. That leaves £15bn to finish the tram project in Edinburgh (if its enough).. ??
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14/02/2020 14:02:05 6 1
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Regardless of whether a bridge would be looked at or rejected out of hand by Westminster the one certainty is the SNP will be of the opposite opinion. Why did nasty Westminster not consult the Scottish Government? Well with the childish response they always get why would they. I suppose because the SNP have looked in depth at all possibilities they have already done an assessment. Maybe a ferry!!
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KRR
14/02/2020 14:06:38 5 8
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74 JW69 '... the one certainty is the SNP will be of the opposite opinion. Why did nasty Westminster not consult the Scottish Government? Well with the childish response they always get why would they.' The ScoGov was voted for by the people of Scotland, Bonzo the Johnson's Right-wing regime wasn't. So it's about democracy and courtesy. Neither of which are Bonzo 'n' Dom specialities.
75
14/02/2020 14:03:16 4 0
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You are more likely to Brigadoon than this bridge
76
14/02/2020 14:03:26 10 1
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As a huge fan of Portpatrick I would be saddened to see such a beautiful place ruined by a white elephant of a bridge. It would never be more than a thoroughfare, with endless lorries/trains passing through (assuming they spend a fortune on a road network) and little or no economic benefit for the local community, It would also ruin its tourist industry.
87
14/02/2020 14:15:23 0 2
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#76 that is the best example of nimbyism by proxy I've seen for a while! The bridge will never happen anyway so cool your wheels, man.
63
14/02/2020 13:57:43 6 3
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A bridge to France would make more sense
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14/02/2020 14:05:37 2 1
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63. Posted byMikeon 5 minutes ago A bridge to France would make more sense --- The problem with that is the sheer volume of massive ships going up and down the English channel. A million ton supertanker hitting the bridge supports wouldn't be funny. Not such a worry for the Irish sea. Also at least NI drive on the same side of the road as us! Think that problem through re French drivers.
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14/02/2020 14:05:47 5 2
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Only one person has ever swam from Northern Ireland to Scotland or vice versa even though it's a just over half the distance across The English Channel because it's so difficult. Any bridge would be closed for half the year.
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14/02/2020 14:06:18 6 6
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"Michael Matheson criticised BoJo for not consulting Holyrood...." Yeah, how dare he not run every idea past SNP! Next he'll be brushing his teeth without consulting the SNP official dentist! This is plainly the 1st stage of an idea being floated. Next comes some experts to look into it then comes a public inquiry when SNP can put their oar in. When it fizzles out SNP will claim a major victory.
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14/02/2020 14:06:18 2 1
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No money for public sector pay rises but somehow there is for this nonsense
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14/02/2020 14:06:28 6 3
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Unpopular Opinion(s): £20Bn is actually pretty small potatoes in the world of major infrastructure capex spending. It would be nice to be able to drive to Ireland. I think commissioning a detailed feasibility study to try and find out if/how would not be insane. ...and no I don't like Boris Johnson or the Tories.
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14/02/2020 14:02:05 6 1
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Regardless of whether a bridge would be looked at or rejected out of hand by Westminster the one certainty is the SNP will be of the opposite opinion. Why did nasty Westminster not consult the Scottish Government? Well with the childish response they always get why would they. I suppose because the SNP have looked in depth at all possibilities they have already done an assessment. Maybe a ferry!!
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KRR
14/02/2020 14:06:38 5 8
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74 JW69 '... the one certainty is the SNP will be of the opposite opinion. Why did nasty Westminster not consult the Scottish Government? Well with the childish response they always get why would they.' The ScoGov was voted for by the people of Scotland, Bonzo the Johnson's Right-wing regime wasn't. So it's about democracy and courtesy. Neither of which are Bonzo 'n' Dom specialities.
83
14/02/2020 14:07:48 2 6
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If Ireland becomes unified in the EU and Scotland 'independent' in the EU why should the taxpayers of England & Wales give them a free bridge? A very stupid proposal both in terms of engineering & practicality.
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14/02/2020 14:18:04 2 1
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@83 What you on about "give them a free bridge" We'd be more than paying for it dafty
84
14/02/2020 14:11:00 4 4
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to all those Unionists bleating abut the Scottish Parliament and the Edinburgh Trams - you do know neither was an SNP project right?.
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MX
14/02/2020 14:13:01 4 1
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The foyle bridge in Derry closes regularly enough because of weather conditions. I can only imagine how often this bridge would be closed.
86
14/02/2020 14:15:02 1 0
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The only way to move this forward is to carry out economic / engineering feasibility studies on both route options. Whatever option might be considered, it should be a tunnel (weather proof) and rail (climate emergency). Also, would the BBC stop labelling the Kintyre option as 'poor transport connections'. Portpatrick route would need 110 miles of connecting infrastructure; Kintyre 120 miles.
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14/02/2020 14:19:55 3 0
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#86 Where do get those road figures from??? Portpartrick ain't that far from Cairnryan whereas the roads via Kintyre are rubbish
76
14/02/2020 14:03:26 10 1
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As a huge fan of Portpatrick I would be saddened to see such a beautiful place ruined by a white elephant of a bridge. It would never be more than a thoroughfare, with endless lorries/trains passing through (assuming they spend a fortune on a road network) and little or no economic benefit for the local community, It would also ruin its tourist industry.
87
14/02/2020 14:15:23 0 2
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#76 that is the best example of nimbyism by proxy I've seen for a while! The bridge will never happen anyway so cool your wheels, man.
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14/02/2020 14:31:21 3 0
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#87 Why not make a good economic argument for Boris bridge no2 to the residents there (remember what happened to the last one, £50million spent not a piece of turf cut). Or are you just a laissez faire capitalist who believes that "paving paradise and putting up a parking lot" is the future we should all crave?
88
14/02/2020 14:15:23 5 1
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How does dumping a billion tons of concrete and steel into the Irish Sea for a road bridge and building a 100 mile motorway through one of the only unspoilt areas of the UK fit into the zero carbon strategy?
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MX
14/02/2020 14:16:03 3 0
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An underground/sea tunnel would be a better option
90
14/02/2020 14:17:44 2 1
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Apart from being a vanity project it is virtually impossible. Unionists have lost the plot.
83
14/02/2020 14:07:48 2 6
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If Ireland becomes unified in the EU and Scotland 'independent' in the EU why should the taxpayers of England & Wales give them a free bridge? A very stupid proposal both in terms of engineering & practicality.
91
14/02/2020 14:18:04 2 1
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@83 What you on about "give them a free bridge" We'd be more than paying for it dafty
92
14/02/2020 14:18:04 2 6
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If you think England is going to pay for this fantasy bridge give yourself a slap in the face. We'd rather it was spent in the Northern England where we've been neglected for decades.
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14/02/2020 14:22:06 4 0
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92. Rosie We'd rather it was spent in the Northern England where we've been neglected for decades. --- Investing in major infastructure projects 20 years ago might have kept companies like British steel afloat. That would have done more for Teeside etc than anything else. BTW I don't see much neglect in Newcastle. Parts of the NE of England are doing very nicely. Parts terribly.
93
14/02/2020 14:19:15 2 2
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NHS, Schools and affordable housing at crisis point and we're looking at a new bloody bridge that nobody needs or desires ????????
86
14/02/2020 14:15:02 1 0
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The only way to move this forward is to carry out economic / engineering feasibility studies on both route options. Whatever option might be considered, it should be a tunnel (weather proof) and rail (climate emergency). Also, would the BBC stop labelling the Kintyre option as 'poor transport connections'. Portpatrick route would need 110 miles of connecting infrastructure; Kintyre 120 miles.
94
14/02/2020 14:19:55 3 0
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#86 Where do get those road figures from??? Portpartrick ain't that far from Cairnryan whereas the roads via Kintyre are rubbish
95
14/02/2020 14:20:15 8 1
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Mr Matheson said the money earmarked for a new bridge would be better spent on projects "that will improve lives". Like ice-forming safety/preventative measures for QF crossing, knew about problem for over a year, did nothing, put lives at risk. Sort your own house, stop deflecting. Apologists will point to examples elsewhere, expected.
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14/02/2020 14:20:15 1 2
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What a waste of money.. If there is spare money use it for homelessness and poverty.. It would also put hundreds of people out of work in ferries and its infrastructure..
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14/02/2020 14:20:46 8 0
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Re : 5 "If this is a "£20Bn Vanity project", what is HS2?" I think you'll find that it's a £108 Bn vanity project, sorry, I mean £120 Bn vanity project .... just keep adding a few billion every couple of months.
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14/02/2020 14:21:56 2 1
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You all misunderstand. Its a regional depressed industries support project. Once its built all the out of work Fishermen will make money by circling under the bridge salvaging all the cars the BLOW OF THE BRIDGE IN EVERY STORM. They proposed an equally stupid bridge from John O Groats to Orkney, Yay .. 100mph+ winds ... what a lark !!
92
14/02/2020 14:18:04 2 6
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If you think England is going to pay for this fantasy bridge give yourself a slap in the face. We'd rather it was spent in the Northern England where we've been neglected for decades.
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14/02/2020 14:22:06 4 0
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92. Rosie We'd rather it was spent in the Northern England where we've been neglected for decades. --- Investing in major infastructure projects 20 years ago might have kept companies like British steel afloat. That would have done more for Teeside etc than anything else. BTW I don't see much neglect in Newcastle. Parts of the NE of England are doing very nicely. Parts terribly.
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14/02/2020 14:22:46 2 2
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Would this new bridge be liable to freezing withlumps of ice falling on vehicles like the Queensferry crossing? Or was that "unique" weather a one off and peculiar event because of the Forth climate?
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14/02/2020 14:27:49 6 2
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100. RichardC Would this new bridge be liable to freezing withlumps of ice falling on vehicles like the Queensferry crossing? Or was that "unique" weather a one off and peculiar event because of the Forth climate? -- Given that it DIDN'T happen during the "beast from the east" it does seem pretty unique. Also a common problem world wide.