Six Nations 2020: England's Manu Tuilagi available for Ireland game, but Anthony Watson not fit
13/02/2020 | sport | rugbyunion | 493
Centre Manu Tuilagi is available for England's Six Nations match against Ireland, but full-back Anthony Watson will not be fit in time, says head coach Eddie Jones
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13/02/2020 14:29:57 52 69
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@7 - 'England are miles better than Wales even without Manu' Haven't been watching the game very long, have you?
11. I watched the entire RWC where Wales struggled to even beat Uruguay. They are barely a match for the Cayman Islands these days. Removed
Come on Breadbin - let someone else win Prat Of The Year. It's not fair you hogging it. Removed
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13/02/2020 15:40:16 1 62
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The useless plodders of the Irish team will feel our wrath. England are mighty and filled with world class operators across the park. We will win the grand slam at a canter. #SwingLow #3Lions
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13/02/2020 15:26:08 15 31
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I do find it amusing how many on HYS are already predicting Wales to be a contender for the wooden spoon this year. Right the Welsh off at your peril as they have a habit of going against the odds and beating the opposition when least expected. Knocking England out of their own WC and beating England last year on the way to the GS. Win or lose the Welsh players will be motivated against England
@44 I have to correct you but we did not knock Eng out of the 15 world cup Oz delivered the coup de grace. However England should have beaten a severely depleted Wales in the previous game, if they had they would have qualified without having to beat Oz Removed
England are still picking Tuilagi after he assaulted police officers, jumped off a ferry, attacked Ashton,... Just shows English rugby does not have a moral compass. Removed
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13/02/2020 16:52:54 3 1
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102 Give it a rest. Regurgitated old news. Surprised you also haven’t mentioned he is a South Sea Islander so we can all win Manu bingo.
iSNT IT ABOUT TIME THEY CHOSE SOME ENGLISH PLAYERS TO PLAY FOR ENGLAND ? Removed
116 Couch potatoon iSNT IT ABOUT TIME THEY CHOSE SOME ENGLISH PLAYERS TO PLAY FOR ENGLAND ? ----- You mean like Wales do..... ?? Removed
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13/02/2020 18:32:29 6 1
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@116 When you can use your caps locks button properly, we may decide to give the time of day.
iSNT IT ABOUT TIME THEY CHOSE SOME ENGLISH PLAYERS TO PLAY FOR ENGLAND ? Removed
116 Couch potatoon iSNT IT ABOUT TIME THEY CHOSE SOME ENGLISH PLAYERS TO PLAY FOR ENGLAND ? ----- You mean like Wales do..... ?? Removed
@Trytastic You make a decent point about Tuilagi and I don't hav a problem with him playing for England; he would fit in with my 10+ year residency rule... It is a touch dodgy given all his brothers play for Samoa, but still, better projects like Aki For me Parents Born in Country 10+ residency (no it doesnt count if your dad happens to be in the British Army) Really straight forward Removed
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14/02/2020 12:12:36 1 0
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@216 whilst I agree with your eligibility criteria, I must ask why having a parent in the UK armed forces would preclude someone from qualifying. If someone had a parent working for a large multinational company and had lived in a part of the U.K. for 10 years they would qualify but not someone whose parent is in the armed forces? Doesn’t seem fair, right and proper to me?
@Steve D A new low... putting Lol on a post... dear me. We know England were great against NZ, but apart from that... not so much. But they play to their strengths and nothing wrong with that, there is just no point pretending otherwise; i don't get it, a win is a win and I'd take any kind of Scotland win at the moment. Removed
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@277 - yeah sorry about that. Whatevs.
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14/02/2020 12:04:52 5 1
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@277 Well we also thrashed Australia in the QFs, though I'll admit this Australia team is on a bit of a low, cantered through all the games we played in the groups, admittedly only tier 1 oppo we played was Argentina, and thrashed Ireland & France the last time we played. It's not just about the NZ game, though that was a highlight.
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231. Its not a championship win if you share it. You can only have 1 winner.
@236- georgieboy- you are wrong again. You obviously didn’t watch rugby before the 1990s when points difference didn’t come into it and the championship was shared if teams had the same number of wins. Also you can disagree with history and facts Georgie Porgie- but it’s in the record books. Poor Georgie Porgie- inferiority complex again. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Nations_Championship Removed
@Dickythe Pig Being in the BRITISH Armed Forces does not make you English... especially when most of that time is spent abroad, Germany, UAE etc... Cockasinga qualified on the residency rules but sme people think its ok because his dad was in teh army... I repeat THE BRITISH ARMY Anyway rules are rules I'm told @Anglophony Yes, offside now called Great line speed, or great blitz def Removed
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14/02/2020 12:34:07 6 3
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306 Whisky & Chips Big Joe could have played for Wales or Scotland had he wished to. He chose to play for England and I suggest that you just listen to him talking to understand where he feels his UK roots lie. He's a London boy! In that sense he's a lot more English than Nick Tompkins is Welsh for instance...and plenty of the other granny-gate or project players into the bargain.
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14/02/2020 12:37:08 0 2
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@306 As you say though it was the British Army, not the English army. If someone wanted to represent Ireland, Scotland or Wales off the back of it, then I'm happy.
The who plays or the who should not play for Countries talk is very boring and people need to grow up and move on, it’s out of your hands!! Let it go and just enjoy the sport! Unless your Scottish obviously ???? Removed
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14/02/2020 12:56:19 4 2
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@317 - Eng would have won much more convincingly if dry and as for ref not doing Wales any favours, refs AREN'T supposed to. They are supposed to be impartial and he was. Sorry but blaming weather and ref is just poor excuses.
@319 I'm not blaming the ref I am blaming the coach. Removed
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14/02/2020 13:17:52 4 0
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@320 Pivac has been in charge for x3 games. Changes at centre have been forced by circumstance & he's on a 66% win rate currently - so how is he doing his best to ruin Gats legacy? At least give him a chance to ruin it! And maybe he won't Lost in Ireland but there were some decent phases of play. Not many teams win in Dublin either. Think you're over reacting a wee bit
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@320 Let the red dragon rise I sometimes wonder if you are Welsh at all what a prophet of doom!! Give Pivac a chance, we may not see much till next season. Do not forget he is having to change a mindset that was instilled by Gats, this guy has a different approach and deserves a darn good chance to succeed. So lets get behind him not run him down after 2 serious games
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@204 MT lived here since he was 6, played at the Tigers since he was 8. Actually your incorrect, MT came to the UK when aged 13 years and overstayed his holiday visa by 6 years. Whilst on the verge of being deported to his home Samoa he automatically received a UK passport and became an England player. Don't let the facts get in the way of the truth.
@324 Spot on, you don't half get some strange versions of the truth from England fans deserpate to defend the pillaging of the south seas. Like the one, its ok Ok for Joe Cockasinga to play for England, depsite being born in fiji to fijian parents, because his dad was in the BRITISH Army and they lived on the odd British base abroad... he qulaifies on the 3 year residency Removed
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14/02/2020 13:36:21 2 0
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@327 - you said it ..."he qualifies" not really much debate to be had is there ? The qualification is the same for all teams and set out by worldrugby. Do we really have to keep debating something where we agree that he qualifies ? You may not like the rules worldrugby set forth. Suggest you take it up with them.
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327. Why is it different for Scotland? You also had 2 players at the world cup who only qualified on residency. Is it because of something else hinted at in 330?
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@327 We stole a player off Holland, so we’re in no position to give out to England over the players they select.
Whisky's racism shining through brightly. Removed
@isitme Well yes there is, just because it's the rules, it doesnt mean you have to agree with them. The rules are the same for everyone, but a bit like Saracens, not everyone plays by the same financial rules. The residency rule has alreayd been moved once from 3 to 5 years... I suspect it will get moved again @the Academy A very bold accusation to make on a public forum Removed
My comment has been removed because Whisky likes to be racist apparent. Odd. If you find it offensive to be labelled correctly Whisky perhaps consider stopping being racist? Removed
@Georgieboy As I have said in the past, I disagree with the rules as they are, whether it is Scotland, England or whoever The rules are technically the same for everyone, except, England can afford to bring in project residency players of a better standard and more often than, say Scotland can a) They have more money b) They have more pro teams If you made it 10 years, they wouldn't Removed
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14/02/2020 14:01:45 8 3
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339. Stop using it to fuel your anti-England rhetoric on England HYS's then. Your comment way below refers to pillaging the south seas. All of our islanders (by heritage) were living in England way before they became England prospects. You make it sound like we have some scouting system in the Pacific Isles
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14/02/2020 14:13:42 8 7
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339 Whisky & Chips As pointed out repeatedly, Scotland are by some distance the worst offenders when it comes to project/residency players. To clarify, you have to come to a country to play rugby for 3 years and qualify on residency to be a "project player". Big Joe came to England aged three, moved around at home and abroad but lived in London since he was 14. Please leave this!
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14/02/2020 14:22:16 8 6
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339 Whisky & Chips I'm wondering if you can name a "project-residency" player in the England team i.e. one who has been imported specifically to play for England like an Aki or a Nel? I can't. Willie Heinz qualifies on residency but at 33 he really isn't a project player by anyone's definition. This is becoming something of a blind-spot for you!
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14/02/2020 10:34:48 3 3
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Why do people call the players by their first names on here - as though they are personally acquainted?
@265 stevie now! Why do people call players by first name on here-as though they are personally acquainted! Well maybe some people are on first name terms with them! @287 hopalong & @256yes agree! only making comment as point of interest, as to how many would turn down u20s international selection Removed
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@340 blues1959 - true! I'd like to think the RU ethos would be to support the development of any young player who happens to be living in your country &, if in time, they represent another nation you actually pleased to see their achievements. I know Underhill never represented Wales at youth level but he spent a few seasons at Ospreys & it's great to see him mature into a great rugby open side
@Dicky No, I was was just making the distinction between Britain and England. The residency rule is scwed in favour of the RU's with the most money All I want to see, as you say Scotland are as bad as anyone, is young Scottish players given every chance to play for their country and not have their place taken by a mercenary who once watched Braveheart. Removed
You appear to dislike what you are Whisky. Take some time to change and improve yourself. Removed
I wouldn’t bother biting with chips and his backward views on who should play for what country, it’s very boring and I see the bbc are getting sick of it, most of his comments have jealous and other u destined to them and they are taking them down and with good reason too. Removed
@Anglophony Its no good saying name a player and then saying one I would name doesn't count cos he's 33. The Vunipolas are an example... taken from Wales none the less As I have said, repeatedly, I know Scotland do it more than most, but what they can't (afford) to do is get the likes of Vunipolas, Tuilagis, Roko, Cockasinga to do it because they only have two pro clubs; its unbalanced Removed
@353 - if it is 'unbalanced' then surely the correct response is for those who are disadvantaged to make the argument through their own country systems, and if necessary withdraw from such competitions in protest? As we all know this won't happen because the so-called disadvantaged countries appear to accept the status quo! If accurate this means you have no argument to make! Removed
@Anglophony Its no good saying name a player and then saying one I would name doesn't count cos he's 33. The Vunipolas are an example... taken from Wales none the less As I have said, repeatedly, I know Scotland do it more than most, but what they can't (afford) to do is get the likes of Vunipolas, Tuilagis, Roko, Cockasinga to do it because they only have two pro clubs; its unbalanced Removed
@353 - if it is 'unbalanced' then surely the correct response is for those who are disadvantaged to make the argument through their own country systems, and if necessary withdraw from such competitions in protest? As we all know this won't happen because the so-called disadvantaged countries appear to accept the status quo! If accurate this means you have no argument to make! Removed
@Dicky You don't think it should be balanced? I mean it's not like there has been any issues in English Rugby with Saracens recently... As with most rules, they are set by the richest and benefit the richest. Anyway, the rules are the rules. Scotland by 15 Removed
oh lads, i got a secret (england are rubbish) pass it on Removed
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362 - how do you figure? we haven’t lost to Japan ha ha
The BBC continues to set the bar low and then fail to clear it. Don't miss your chance to vote for Indian sportwoman of the year on BBC sport homepage You couldn't make this stuff up. How the mighty have fallen. Talk about marginal, is the the best you can do Auntie? Free pint for anyone who has ever heard of any of the contenders. No wonder they have no cash to show England rugby home games Removed
@Dicky I have tried, but you are either purposely missing the point, or just not reading what I am saying. I am not disputing the rules, or who sets them... I am disputing that they are even for every nation because they aren't. Anyway, I won't be mentioning this again, we have a wooden spoon decider (or at least it is at the minute) next week and we are without our best player still Removed
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374 Whisky & Chips "I am not disputing the rules... I am disputing that they are even for every nation because they aren't" Well you've got a job on there explaining why the rules discriminate against Scotland. From the outside they seem rather helpful? Remember...the 6N generates about 8 times more for every registered player in Scotland than in England. Are you spending it effectively?
Change the record for God’s sake! Stop throwing your toys out of the pram! Deal with it and move on, behaving like an 8 year old who has just wet the bed! Wow!! I doubt it’s the last we will hear of it either from you!!!! Removed
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@368 the 'small nation' idea is a bit spurious. Sometimes you just have to accept you're in a bit of a dip. Scottish rugby has been for a while. In the past W&C has pointed out that football is their 'national sport' - but things aren't going to well there either (50th) But let's celebrate the positives - great curling team & some cracking tennis players
@375 hopalong as it's a tuilagi feed and most comments are on other topics I'll follow the flow! What do you think of a possible Dai Young, Rob Howley coaching reunion at dare I say it the ospreys!! Removed
@ 379 The question is would anyone want to join the Ospreys ? Dai Young and Rob Howley are living proof that great players don’t necessarily make great coach’s. Young is the only player to tour in 3 separate decades with the Lions, I wonder if AWJ will do it in 2021 ? Removed
@375 hopalong as it's a tuilagi feed and most comments are on other topics I'll follow the flow! What do you think of a possible Dai Young, Rob Howley coaching reunion at dare I say it the ospreys!! Removed
@ 379 The question is would anyone want to join the Ospreys ? Dai Young and Rob Howley are living proof that great players don’t necessarily make great coach’s. Young is the only player to tour in 3 separate decades with the Lions, I wonder if AWJ will do it in 2021 ? Removed
@386 route 1 not sure about great players not making great coaches! When dai started coaching at Cardiff he was getting rave reviews but seemed to stumble after a few seasons at wasps and howley! well who knows!! Personally I think the ospreys have had a lot of bad luck with player availability this season, hopefully they can turn it around! I'd be surprised if AWJ makes 2021 lions Removed
@ 379 The question is would anyone want to join the Ospreys ? Dai Young and Rob Howley are living proof that great players don’t necessarily make great coach’s. Young is the only player to tour in 3 separate decades with the Lions, I wonder if AWJ will do it in 2021 ? Removed
@386 route 1 not sure about great players not making great coaches! When dai started coaching at Cardiff he was getting rave reviews but seemed to stumble after a few seasons at wasps and howley! well who knows!! Personally I think the ospreys have had a lot of bad luck with player availability this season, hopefully they can turn it around! I'd be surprised if AWJ makes 2021 lions Removed
@ 387 With his game time managed I think AWJ will go in 2021 He’s incredibly driven (top tackler at RWC and didn’t shy away v Ire) It would be great to have an old head on tour and a survivor from the 2009 tour, avenge the dirty Bok tactics especially from the 2nd test Removed
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@387 blues1979 - pleased to see your last comment is sticking! The mods have got it in for you & TARW ... the EBC eh ;-) Ospreys have been unlucky but AWJ was honest enough to say recruitment hasn't been right. Not enough depth up front Re AWJ for the Lions - I'll be surprised if he's selected for the squad too. He'll have already been selected as captain
@386 route 1 not sure about great players not making great coaches! When dai started coaching at Cardiff he was getting rave reviews but seemed to stumble after a few seasons at wasps and howley! well who knows!! Personally I think the ospreys have had a lot of bad luck with player availability this season, hopefully they can turn it around! I'd be surprised if AWJ makes 2021 lions Removed
@ 387 With his game time managed I think AWJ will go in 2021 He’s incredibly driven (top tackler at RWC and didn’t shy away v Ire) It would be great to have an old head on tour and a survivor from the 2009 tour, avenge the dirty Bok tactics especially from the 2nd test Removed
@Georgieboy Re: "All of our islanders were living in England way before they became England prospects"... given Manu Samoa Tuilagi has SIX INTERNATIONAL RUGBY PLAYING BROTHERS you would have to be completely simple not to identify that Manu Samoa Tuilagi was going to go on to play international rugby for one country or another! and Nathan Hughes had already been a Vice-Captain of Fiji A!!! Removed
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@395 Must be true, look at all the teams with loads of brothers sons and grandsons of great.players. The surprise is that anyone who hasn't got a family history of international players get anywhere near being an international!
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@395 really? Just like a child of a military person is absolutely guaranteed to want to join the armed forces. Get a life. Tuilagi came to England on holiday not to play rugby. Any other “facts” you want to massage into fitting your Anglophobic agenda?
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@395 Apart from being factually incorrect your post is also misleading. Tuilagi has five brothers who have played international rugby and at the time he moved to England, only two had reached that standard.
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Let's hope Watson is fit for the Wales game. We need him to be fit due in large part because he's an awful full-back and terrible under the high ball. Please get fit Watson - wishing you all the best for the visit of Wales to tweekers. Also Tuilagi - hope you don't get injured against Ireland, despite you being something of an injury magnet and liability - what is up with that - eh?!
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@423 To be honest I'm surprised he's here at all! We had a whip-round and sent him a new colouring book and crayons last week, would have thought that would keep him busy until at least the end of the 6N! Removed
418 - you’ve got serious issues boyo Removed
@423 To be honest I'm surprised he's here at all! We had a whip-round and sent him a new colouring book and crayons last week, would have thought that would keep him busy until at least the end of the 6N! Removed
@425 With the weather the way its been, he hasn't been able to get out and lick all the windows the way he usually does! Removed
425 - A padded room will help and a chew stick Removed
@423 To be honest I'm surprised he's here at all! We had a whip-round and sent him a new colouring book and crayons last week, would have thought that would keep him busy until at least the end of the 6N! Removed
@425 With the weather the way its been, he hasn't been able to get out and lick all the windows the way he usually does! Removed
@423 To be honest I'm surprised he's here at all! We had a whip-round and sent him a new colouring book and crayons last week, would have thought that would keep him busy until at least the end of the 6N! Removed
425 - A padded room will help and a chew stick Removed
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@422 - Yes, brain fade. I agree with you there - the entire comment was a brain fade. Best t engage the brain for rugby discussions - it's a physical as well as an intellectual sport as you're now working out all by yourself.
429 - find some old underwear to try on Removed
461 Hahaha-Poor-England indeed. Every comment moderated ???????? Removed