Six Nations 2020: England's Manu Tuilagi available for Ireland game, but Anthony Watson not fit
13/02/2020 | sport | rugbyunion | 493
Centre Manu Tuilagi is available for England's Six Nations match against Ireland, but full-back Anthony Watson will not be fit in time, says head coach Eddie Jones
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13/02/2020 14:07:26 69 9
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Good news about Manu. Shame about Anthony, one of our world class players.
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13/02/2020 14:09:37 10 14
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This should tip the balance England's way.
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13/02/2020 14:13:59 30 6
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Agreed Sufice@1. Since I'm on early today let's see how long it takes to question Manu's eligibility/nationality/place of birth etc ad nauseam. As is the norm in these columns they spot the splinter but miss the plank (to paraphrase a famous source.)
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13/02/2020 14:22:23 4 12
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@3 not long lol, and unfortunately in my opinion all the Nations have gone down this route with residency or “granny gate”and I’d love to see it stopped. Think Joseph is a far better player.
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13/02/2020 14:19:12 46 4
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It will be good to have Manu and Slade back but we are really missing Watson- I’m not sure of Furbank at FB mind you I’m not sure how good Daly is there but Watson does cover him as does May
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13/02/2020 14:25:05 39 3
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@4 Furbank is 2 games in. He was poor against France, but I thought acquitted himself pretty well against Scotland, given the conditions. Hopefully he'll grow into it. We do have an issue at FB, Brown is too old (and injured), Goode has been shown to not be up to an international level, Watson & Daly both play better elsewhere. So who else is there? I think Furbank deserves a few more games
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14/02/2020 21:02:24 4 0
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4 people on line on a Friday night. 2 of them Welshman on an English Rugby HYS site on the wind up. Empty lives? ??
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13/02/2020 14:13:59 30 6
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Agreed Sufice@1. Since I'm on early today let's see how long it takes to question Manu's eligibility/nationality/place of birth etc ad nauseam. As is the norm in these columns they spot the splinter but miss the plank (to paraphrase a famous source.)
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13/02/2020 14:22:23 4 12
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@3 not long lol, and unfortunately in my opinion all the Nations have gone down this route with residency or “granny gate”and I’d love to see it stopped. Think Joseph is a far better player.
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13/02/2020 14:23:54 50 7
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Great news, although a bit of a headache for selection. Do you drop Ford and put Faz at 10 with Manu and Slade in the centres assuming they are both fit? Ford has been one of our best players over the past few months! Hopefully the England camp stays quiet before the Ireland game. Big England fan but tired of the chat- do your talking on the field!
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13/02/2020 14:24:14 65 57
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England are miles better than Wales even without Manu- Ireland however are a very decent team so this is good news.
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13/02/2020 14:29:57 52 69
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@7 - 'England are miles better than Wales even without Manu' Haven't been watching the game very long, have you?
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13/02/2020 14:19:12 46 4
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It will be good to have Manu and Slade back but we are really missing Watson- I’m not sure of Furbank at FB mind you I’m not sure how good Daly is there but Watson does cover him as does May
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13/02/2020 14:25:05 39 3
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@4 Furbank is 2 games in. He was poor against France, but I thought acquitted himself pretty well against Scotland, given the conditions. Hopefully he'll grow into it. We do have an issue at FB, Brown is too old (and injured), Goode has been shown to not be up to an international level, Watson & Daly both play better elsewhere. So who else is there? I think Furbank deserves a few more games
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13/02/2020 15:21:26 3 3
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@8 Who else is there? Max Malins and Harry Mallinder are both very good prospects at FB if they can get/stay injury free.
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13/02/2020 17:47:36 6 5
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Until EJ resolves HIS problem(s) at #8 & #9 it doesn't really matter who plays where in the back line. We're doomed, Mr Mainwaring !
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13/02/2020 14:25:15 21 8
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The backs never see the ball anyway, it gets to either number 9 or 10 and they kick it downfield
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14/02/2020 18:41:51 6 4
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009 anyway what is wrong with poaching, Wales have at least 8 English players and two who are playing now that were in England under 20's :)
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13/02/2020 14:29:17 7 6
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Discipline will be key in this game. Ireland to win as England will be influenced enormously by factors that have nothing to do with the actual game on the pitch. Hope it's a cracking match whoever wins!
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13/02/2020 14:24:14 65 57
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England are miles better than Wales even without Manu- Ireland however are a very decent team so this is good news.
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13/02/2020 14:29:57 52 69
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@7 - 'England are miles better than Wales even without Manu' Haven't been watching the game very long, have you?
11. I watched the entire RWC where Wales struggled to even beat Uruguay. They are barely a match for the Cayman Islands these days. Removed
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@7 - 'England are miles better than Wales even without Manu' Haven't been watching the game very long, have you?
11. I watched the entire RWC where Wales struggled to even beat Uruguay. They are barely a match for the Cayman Islands these days. Removed
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13/02/2020 14:35:10 13 2
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Manu..... Pick him if you are certain he is totally over his injury cos l doubt he will make it through a testing game against Ireland.
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13/02/2020 14:36:51 7 2
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Personally would like to see a Manu 12 Joseph 13 run-out. What a lot of fans would have liked to have seen before but we've never had both of them start in the same team I don't think. Get Robson in at 9 I reckon too
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13/02/2020 14:38:02 1 8
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Good to see Manu back as our centres are not really out and out ball carriers so a bit more grunt in the mid might help out.. i would leave Faz at 12 and bring in Manu. Ford at 10 and keep furbank at FB as frankly, daly is terrible there. Watson is a big miss. I see a win for England as Ireland will try and kick us to death again.
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13/02/2020 14:39:22 7 6
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Great to have Manu back, shame about AW. Manu created 4 tries vs Ireland in the RWC warm up game, without even touching the ball. England by 10
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13/02/2020 14:41:24 15 2
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Watson is the bigger miss for England. He was superb all RWC2019. Hoping he will play some part in the tournament.
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13/02/2020 14:42:12 17 0
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Just hope Manu is 100% fit. However, the lack of Manu hasn’t been England’s problem. It’s stubborn Eddie and his team selection. I will say that Young’s showed that his experience made a difference in bad weather last week. England probably Improve, especially at home.
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13/02/2020 14:42:12 23 3
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England are desperate for Tuilagi to come back and be fit - without him and BV also injured, their ability to properly break the gainline is drastically reduced. Slade coming back also a bonus, because Joseph isnt close to being as good. It will be an interesting afternoon at Twickenham - the Irish will be hoping for some payback after last year!
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13/02/2020 14:49:08 3 5
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"Pleasedontbreakhimpleasedontbreakhimpleasedontbreakhim"
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13/02/2020 14:49:29 6 5
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When Slade is fit along with Tualagi it's Eddie Jones go to partnership.They compliment each other so well.But that means playing Faz at 10 and dropping Ford.But bringing Ford on later is a great option to have against tiring legs.Watson back at Fullback later against Wales+we have real options.The Ireland game will be tight,but not like 2 years ago.England by10,but Ireland are looking sharp again
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13/02/2020 14:49:29 6 2
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If Slade is back we shouldn’t rush him. He has the potential to be the 13 for the whole of the RWC cycle and is arguably our most skilful back. JJ is adequate cover for Manu. There’s a case for Slade to be on the bench instead of Devoto.
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13/02/2020 14:50:09 2 1
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Great news for Manu. Still hoping Thorley gets a call up, deserves a chance to show what he's capable of.
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13/02/2020 14:50:09 5 12
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Haven't seen enough from Ireland to convince me they will manage to beat the French to 2nd place in the final standings this year. I hate to say it but I can see the Welsh dragons getting dragged down with Scotland and Italy into the battle to avoid the dreaded wooden spoon this year
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13/02/2020 14:54:52 10 15
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25. I agree, I have been predicting a Welsh wooden spoon for some weeks.
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13/02/2020 20:13:44 3 5
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@25 sid boggle your comment makes absolutely no sense at all! Look at it logically your predicting Wales dragged down with Scotland and Italy for the wooden spoon, so by this comment Wales and Scotland lose to France? And Ireland wont beat France to 2nd place so France beat Ireland? So by my reckoning France have beaten England so France will be 1st in the final standings this year!!
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13/02/2020 14:52:20 8 11
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Ireland and Wales are not the teams they were, i think we'll win both these games. Great to have Tuilagi back.
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13/02/2020 14:50:09 5 12
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Haven't seen enough from Ireland to convince me they will manage to beat the French to 2nd place in the final standings this year. I hate to say it but I can see the Welsh dragons getting dragged down with Scotland and Italy into the battle to avoid the dreaded wooden spoon this year
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25. I agree, I have been predicting a Welsh wooden spoon for some weeks.
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13/02/2020 14:56:53 6 12
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Tough game to call. If in Dublin, i'd fancy Ireland as painful as it is to say that. Eddie's comment at the weekend when asked about playing Curry out of position and breaking up what was a real success at 6/7 in the RWC was "we think he could become a good 8". Infuriating. Get Simmonds in at 8 with JJ outside Tui. 15? I'd still play Goode, no idea what that boy's done to Eddie.
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29. I also don't get England not picking a specialist 8. Curry was key with Underhill at 6/7 during the last 12 months. Not having an 8 as good as Billy isn't a reason not to pick a specialist 8.
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29. The fact is that Goode has never done anything at test level. He had a lot of opportunities earlier in his career. A wonderful player, but just doesn't fit in test rugby
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13/02/2020 14:56:53 6 12
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Tough game to call. If in Dublin, i'd fancy Ireland as painful as it is to say that. Eddie's comment at the weekend when asked about playing Curry out of position and breaking up what was a real success at 6/7 in the RWC was "we think he could become a good 8". Infuriating. Get Simmonds in at 8 with JJ outside Tui. 15? I'd still play Goode, no idea what that boy's done to Eddie.
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29. I also don't get England not picking a specialist 8. Curry was key with Underhill at 6/7 during the last 12 months. Not having an 8 as good as Billy isn't a reason not to pick a specialist 8.
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13/02/2020 15:00:25 5 0
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I'd have him on the bench, give him 20/25 against tiring legs. Though if I had my way the majority of the backs wouldn't play. Hoping Eddie is just using this tournament to test the waters with a couple of newbies and then rings the changes ahead of the summer tour. So many won't make 2023 and for me the planning should have started the minute the RWC final ended.
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13/02/2020 15:53:13 3 1
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31 - re bringing players on late against tiring legs - what do I know but does it often make a difference? Everybody does it and it usually reduces a game to chaos. I don’t ever recall seeing one player brought on late winning the game by himself. A great break say isn’t much help if everybody else is too tired to keep up.
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13/02/2020 15:01:45 7 8
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Dawson saw a captain’s performance in Ford. Faz on the bench? We also miss Nowell and Big Joe as well as Watson. How did we get to be light on wingers? Daly should persist at FB. Ford, Manu, Slade, May, JJ and Daly.
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13/02/2020 15:05:27 6 2
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In regards to what has Goode done? Its quite simple, in that Mr Jones does not think he is quick enough for international rugby. Its in his book. Thinks he is a good player but just not quick enough.
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13/02/2020 15:08:39 23 5
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Need Dombrandt at 8, let Curry and Underhill be the best flanker partnership in the championship. Youngs showed vs Scotland that he isn't finished yet. Ford was excellent, Farrell less so.
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13/02/2020 15:09:39 9 4
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No team sticking out as faivourites to win the title. Ireland and wales wont fear England even at twickenham. Apart from the all blacks game at the world cup which i have to say they played awesome rugby, they are to inconsistent and seem to bottle a lot of games when the pressure is on....
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13/02/2020 14:56:53 6 12
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Tough game to call. If in Dublin, i'd fancy Ireland as painful as it is to say that. Eddie's comment at the weekend when asked about playing Curry out of position and breaking up what was a real success at 6/7 in the RWC was "we think he could become a good 8". Infuriating. Get Simmonds in at 8 with JJ outside Tui. 15? I'd still play Goode, no idea what that boy's done to Eddie.
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29. The fact is that Goode has never done anything at test level. He had a lot of opportunities earlier in his career. A wonderful player, but just doesn't fit in test rugby
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13/02/2020 15:16:13 3 2
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Slade should be on the bench & get Dombrandt starting ASAP........ lets get some balance back
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13/02/2020 15:17:13 15 3
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either Youngs or Heinz should have gone - time to give a younger player a chance - neither will make the next RWC and need to have a 9 that has 35-40 caps going into the next tournament.
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13/02/2020 17:34:35 6 0
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@ 38 Dom Plum Agreed. But who? This has been a feature of HYS from when the first squad was announced. Nobody has answered who the new kid on the block is going to be without going back to tried and rested or out of form potentials. Where’s our 20 year old 9 who will be the experienced player come France 2023?
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13/02/2020 15:19:04 7 15
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If only Tuilagi and the Vunipola bro's could all start v Ireland. With 3 busted flushes on the pitch Ireland would win with a pair of deuces...
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13/02/2020 15:20:05 15 10
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I can't see Tuilagi worrying Ireland ...he's a yesterdays man and to prone to injury
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13/02/2020 15:20:55 12 5
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Just an observation. I dont know what Eng fans think Tuilagi is increasingly injury prone, perhaps he should be used more as an impact player 80 minutes is quite often beyond him either through a game or training injury nowadays. Thoughts ?
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13/02/2020 15:39:05 2 0
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@41.80 minutes isn’t beyond him when fit. The groin strain does appear to re occur. He had a good run before it strained again.. It’s when it’s the same injury. that’s the worry. And that appears to be the case with Manu.
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13/02/2020 14:25:05 39 3
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@4 Furbank is 2 games in. He was poor against France, but I thought acquitted himself pretty well against Scotland, given the conditions. Hopefully he'll grow into it. We do have an issue at FB, Brown is too old (and injured), Goode has been shown to not be up to an international level, Watson & Daly both play better elsewhere. So who else is there? I think Furbank deserves a few more games
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13/02/2020 15:21:26 3 3
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@8 Who else is there? Max Malins and Harry Mallinder are both very good prospects at FB if they can get/stay injury free.
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13/02/2020 15:22:06 12 12
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To quote Eddie. 'Why would you ruin a perfectly good tournament by inviting other teams.' .....6 Nations. So why ruin a perfectly good world class number six by playing him at eight. You're too clever for your own good, Eddie. I just heard that Barcelona are thinking of moving Messi to full back. FFS get a grip, man!
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13/02/2020 15:26:48 0 6
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@43 - don't talk c#@p.. totally different things.
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13/02/2020 15:26:08 15 31
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I do find it amusing how many on HYS are already predicting Wales to be a contender for the wooden spoon this year. Right the Welsh off at your peril as they have a habit of going against the odds and beating the opposition when least expected. Knocking England out of their own WC and beating England last year on the way to the GS. Win or lose the Welsh players will be motivated against England
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13/02/2020 15:34:32 42 11
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@44 - it's "write" not "right". I'm assuming you're another Welshie obsessed with England. Also, it was Australia who actually knocked us out in 2015 - but by all means piggy back on another teams success.
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13/02/2020 15:37:34 11 4
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@44 I'd be shocked if Wales pick up the wooden spoon this year, given that they've already beaten Italy. They could also beat England, we'll have to see how both teams get through the next game. I would say that I'd make England favourites for it, just because we're at home. Away wins are a devil to get in the 6N & Wales' especially tend to dip away from the Principality.
@44 I have to correct you but we did not knock Eng out of the 15 world cup Oz delivered the coup de grace. However England should have beaten a severely depleted Wales in the previous game, if they had they would have qualified without having to beat Oz Removed
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13/02/2020 15:26:28 23 3
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This will be a big test of the forward pack. Irelands was much improved against Wales and Furlong improving but Healey not the player he was. They got away with a fair bit from the back row, so I hope that gets looked at. Offside for me is the big problem, in front of the kicker, this has been a problem for a long time with all sides(England included) and referees are letting it run, shameful!!
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13/02/2020 15:26:48 15 3
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If only England could trust someone else to do the place kicks so that the team would not be hampered by having to fit Farrell in. Ford the better fly half, several are better centres. If he has to be involved, perhaps Farrell at 15?
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46. Posted by CornwallScot "If only England could trust someone else to do the place kicks" George Ford's success ratio is barely less than OF's and, on the evidence of the last Argentinian tour, his captaincy is as good, if not better. There is the added advantage of getting TWO specialist centres instead of one and an afterthought.
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13/02/2020 15:22:06 12 12
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To quote Eddie. 'Why would you ruin a perfectly good tournament by inviting other teams.' .....6 Nations. So why ruin a perfectly good world class number six by playing him at eight. You're too clever for your own good, Eddie. I just heard that Barcelona are thinking of moving Messi to full back. FFS get a grip, man!
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@43 - don't talk c#@p.. totally different things.
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13/02/2020 15:28:19 11 3
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Good news Let him take Farrell's place.
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13/02/2020 15:28:39 6 12
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Irish talked this game up last year and got a hiding in their own backyard. Don't expect this to be any different.
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13/02/2020 15:30:50 20 47
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england in a dark place now . no good talent coming through. big guns are over the hill. eddie jones has been caught out and i cannot see them progressing. P.S you wouldnt have scored/won so much in the Eddie Jones period without the individual freakish brilliance of Jonny May.
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13/02/2020 15:39:56 13 9
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@50.L JAMES BOIIIIIII "brilliance of Jonny May" Yep good call on May. Ford is a decent 10 though you can't but help have sympathy for the lad, so long stuck in the middle of a poop sandwich (Youngs/Farrell). That has to be frustrating...
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@50. L JAMES BOIII - a team in 6 consecutive U20 world finals ('13-'18) has 'no good talent coming through'. Try to make a meaningful contribution or go back to selling dodgy haggis or rotten leeks... I would rather have Watson back as MT may 'tweak' the injury again & have to go off. Move ED back to FB and bring in Dombrandt What sort of a 'training camp' takes place in central London?
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13/02/2020 15:32:11 8 2
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@CornwallScot makes a fair point on Farrell, certainly well worth a debate of its own. If he doesn't have a solid position in the way JW was a 10 (after starting at centre for England I think?) then yes it's possible we are picking a kicker not a player?
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I do find it amusing how many on HYS are already predicting Wales to be a contender for the wooden spoon this year. Right the Welsh off at your peril as they have a habit of going against the odds and beating the opposition when least expected. Knocking England out of their own WC and beating England last year on the way to the GS. Win or lose the Welsh players will be motivated against England
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13/02/2020 15:34:32 42 11
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@44 - it's "write" not "right". I'm assuming you're another Welshie obsessed with England. Also, it was Australia who actually knocked us out in 2015 - but by all means piggy back on another teams success.
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13/02/2020 15:55:54 11 5
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@52 funny you didn't mention last years GS. Of course us 'Welshies' like to get one over on our big neighbour, especially with their big advantages in resources of players and finances. England have a good team, which should have won the WC especially after beating the ABs and they did get to the final so we (the Welsh) like to play against and hopefully beat the best, which we do now and again.
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14/02/2020 07:12:05 2 9
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@52- Matt- look your obsession with being anti Welsh is showing a massive chip on your shoulder. The reality is that in 2015 Wakes and Australia knocked you out of the WC as they both beat you in the pool stages. Secondly we hammered you in the last WC final- the most one sided final since 1987. Facts dear boy. Facts.
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13/02/2020 15:37:14 14 1
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Will he be played in the fashionable 'out of position' - say '8'?
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I do find it amusing how many on HYS are already predicting Wales to be a contender for the wooden spoon this year. Right the Welsh off at your peril as they have a habit of going against the odds and beating the opposition when least expected. Knocking England out of their own WC and beating England last year on the way to the GS. Win or lose the Welsh players will be motivated against England
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@44 I'd be shocked if Wales pick up the wooden spoon this year, given that they've already beaten Italy. They could also beat England, we'll have to see how both teams get through the next game. I would say that I'd make England favourites for it, just because we're at home. Away wins are a devil to get in the 6N & Wales' especially tend to dip away from the Principality.
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13/02/2020 15:20:55 12 5
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Just an observation. I dont know what Eng fans think Tuilagi is increasingly injury prone, perhaps he should be used more as an impact player 80 minutes is quite often beyond him either through a game or training injury nowadays. Thoughts ?
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@41.80 minutes isn’t beyond him when fit. The groin strain does appear to re occur. He had a good run before it strained again.. It’s when it’s the same injury. that’s the worry. And that appears to be the case with Manu.
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england in a dark place now . no good talent coming through. big guns are over the hill. eddie jones has been caught out and i cannot see them progressing. P.S you wouldnt have scored/won so much in the Eddie Jones period without the individual freakish brilliance of Jonny May.
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@50.L JAMES BOIIIIIII "brilliance of Jonny May" Yep good call on May. Ford is a decent 10 though you can't but help have sympathy for the lad, so long stuck in the middle of a poop sandwich (Youngs/Farrell). That has to be frustrating...
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Oh and Eddie - swallow your pride and pick Dombrandt. No one will judge you for getting it wrong in the first place. Just pick a specialist 8 and then let the Kamikaze Kids do their business.
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13/02/2020 15:40:16 1 62
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The useless plodders of the Irish team will feel our wrath. England are mighty and filled with world class operators across the park. We will win the grand slam at a canter. #SwingLow #3Lions
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13/02/2020 15:53:33 3 3
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@58. Not this season, we won't. Can't win a grand slam and lose a game. 6 Nations title and Triple Crown still a possibility.
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@58 only Chuck Norris can lose a game yet win a Grand Slam. I'm concerned by Tuilagi's chronic groin issues, seems to be rushed back to his detriment, same with Billy V. I accept some players are simply injury prone but I often question our methods when players such as McCaw and Parisse were ever present in the big games for their nations, these two examples playing intense, physical positions
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58. Posted byBreadbinon 13 Feb 2020 15:40 The useless plodders of the Irish team will feel our wrath. England are mighty and filled with world class operators across the park. We will win the grand slam at a canter. ... We lost to France, Grand Slam is impossible
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13/02/2020 15:41:27 7 18
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Ah Manu "I love to get busted" Tuilagi! Aren't his parents worried about him getting injured all the time? Clearly not suited to rugby.
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Come on Breadbin - let someone else win Prat Of The Year. It's not fair you hogging it. Removed
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13/02/2020 15:44:58 12 9
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It seems like forever that England have been holding onto the hope that Tulilagi can again find the form which saw England emolish NZ in 2012. How many players have been jettisoned because England hope he might one day be that player.... Sad state of affairs when you look at the players England have overlooked and lost to Wales/Scotland as a result
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@61 Maybe we should just wheel him out for games against NZ? He did a fair job against them in the World Cup as well.
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@61. And now Scotland are overlooking their best player and lost twice.
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61. Whisky and chips. Name one centre of the quality of Manu that England have lost to Wales or Scotland?.......I'm guessing you can't.
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13/02/2020 15:46:09 7 1
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If Manu is truly fit then excellent news and as for Slade he is quality BUT unlikely to be match ready. Maybe for last game? Whatever, it can only be good news to have as many quality - and they are quality, players available for selection. Now, if only there were a few scrum halfs lying around....
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13/02/2020 15:30:50 20 47
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england in a dark place now . no good talent coming through. big guns are over the hill. eddie jones has been caught out and i cannot see them progressing. P.S you wouldnt have scored/won so much in the Eddie Jones period without the individual freakish brilliance of Jonny May.
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@50. L JAMES BOIII - a team in 6 consecutive U20 world finals ('13-'18) has 'no good talent coming through'. Try to make a meaningful contribution or go back to selling dodgy haggis or rotten leeks... I would rather have Watson back as MT may 'tweak' the injury again & have to go off. Move ED back to FB and bring in Dombrandt What sort of a 'training camp' takes place in central London?
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@ 63 A special one to see all the properties owned by Sarries players ??
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It seems like forever that England have been holding onto the hope that Tulilagi can again find the form which saw England emolish NZ in 2012. How many players have been jettisoned because England hope he might one day be that player.... Sad state of affairs when you look at the players England have overlooked and lost to Wales/Scotland as a result
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@61 Maybe we should just wheel him out for games against NZ? He did a fair job against them in the World Cup as well.
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13/02/2020 15:49:11 6 7
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I've always thought a Farrel, Slade Manu back line, was our best long term option, with Ford on the bench. I'd also like a dedicated No8, but if that's not to be , Curry looked more comfortable against Scotland.
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13/02/2020 15:49:11 17 4
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I really like Slade, great smooth running player who can pass, run and kick. Tuilagi is more predictable as a sledgehammer. Farrell- Tuilagi - Slade as the back line is a great line up. I think Ford is great so long as he is behind a properly dominant pack which we’d be lucky to achieve against Ireland or Wales. In my opinion!
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13/02/2020 15:00:25 5 0
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I'd have him on the bench, give him 20/25 against tiring legs. Though if I had my way the majority of the backs wouldn't play. Hoping Eddie is just using this tournament to test the waters with a couple of newbies and then rings the changes ahead of the summer tour. So many won't make 2023 and for me the planning should have started the minute the RWC final ended.
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13/02/2020 15:53:13 3 1
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31 - re bringing players on late against tiring legs - what do I know but does it often make a difference? Everybody does it and it usually reduces a game to chaos. I don’t ever recall seeing one player brought on late winning the game by himself. A great break say isn’t much help if everybody else is too tired to keep up.
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67. G Hughes Interesting in terms of subs winning games, They can put games away from wining positions. England made a come back against France when our replacement front row was better than theirs. Ford helped secure a draw against Scotland. As for the chaos, towards the end of the game it breaks up naturally as loosing team are looking to make it less structured to create opportunity.
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13/02/2020 15:40:16 1 62
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The useless plodders of the Irish team will feel our wrath. England are mighty and filled with world class operators across the park. We will win the grand slam at a canter. #SwingLow #3Lions
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13/02/2020 15:53:33 3 3
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@58. Not this season, we won't. Can't win a grand slam and lose a game. 6 Nations title and Triple Crown still a possibility.
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13/02/2020 15:54:13 4 3
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As for No8, Earls showed real promise when he came on against the Scots, I'd start him at 8 against Ireland. Then again I'd have Dan Robson, Danny Care in squad so what do I know.... Dombrant - he seems to be another who is so far destined to be overlooked. Furbank actually did OK in dreadful conditions against Scotland but hardly setting world alight. Watson can't come back quick enough.
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13/02/2020 16:00:17 3 0
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@69 At 22 years old it's possibly a little early to say that Dombrandt is destined to be overlooked. It's only his 2nd season in top flight club rugby after all. Given that Jones has said he'll be resting World Cup players for the tour to Japan in the summer I suspect we'll see him picked up for that.
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13/02/2020 15:34:32 42 11
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@44 - it's "write" not "right". I'm assuming you're another Welshie obsessed with England. Also, it was Australia who actually knocked us out in 2015 - but by all means piggy back on another teams success.
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13/02/2020 15:55:54 11 5
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@52 funny you didn't mention last years GS. Of course us 'Welshies' like to get one over on our big neighbour, especially with their big advantages in resources of players and finances. England have a good team, which should have won the WC especially after beating the ABs and they did get to the final so we (the Welsh) like to play against and hopefully beat the best, which we do now and again.
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13/02/2020 15:44:58 12 9
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It seems like forever that England have been holding onto the hope that Tulilagi can again find the form which saw England emolish NZ in 2012. How many players have been jettisoned because England hope he might one day be that player.... Sad state of affairs when you look at the players England have overlooked and lost to Wales/Scotland as a result
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13/02/2020 15:57:15 4 4
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@61. And now Scotland are overlooking their best player and lost twice.
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13/02/2020 15:58:46 9 3
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Good to see Slade back. England have really missed Noddy Holder and Dave Hill!
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13/02/2020 15:26:48 15 3
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If only England could trust someone else to do the place kicks so that the team would not be hampered by having to fit Farrell in. Ford the better fly half, several are better centres. If he has to be involved, perhaps Farrell at 15?
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13/02/2020 15:59:46 15 0
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46. Posted by CornwallScot "If only England could trust someone else to do the place kicks" George Ford's success ratio is barely less than OF's and, on the evidence of the last Argentinian tour, his captaincy is as good, if not better. There is the added advantage of getting TWO specialist centres instead of one and an afterthought.
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13/02/2020 15:54:13 4 3
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As for No8, Earls showed real promise when he came on against the Scots, I'd start him at 8 against Ireland. Then again I'd have Dan Robson, Danny Care in squad so what do I know.... Dombrant - he seems to be another who is so far destined to be overlooked. Furbank actually did OK in dreadful conditions against Scotland but hardly setting world alight. Watson can't come back quick enough.
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13/02/2020 16:00:17 3 0
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@69 At 22 years old it's possibly a little early to say that Dombrandt is destined to be overlooked. It's only his 2nd season in top flight club rugby after all. Given that Jones has said he'll be resting World Cup players for the tour to Japan in the summer I suspect we'll see him picked up for that.
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13/02/2020 16:00:57 27 40
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Farrell has the Irish side in great form..The team is buzzing,first 2 home games was a great help to settle everyone in...Like 2 years back in twikkers I can’t see England winning..Ireland by 10 and Jones resigns/sacked at tournament end..
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13/02/2020 16:23:29 1 4
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75. Ireland have had an armchair ride though so far with two home games – a Scottish side that only knows how to lose and a Welsh side with a new coach that isn’t as strong outside Wales. Ireland haven’t played away yet. England haven’t played at home yet. We’ll know who the frontrunners are after R3.
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13/02/2020 16:23:39 8 6
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@75 - well if you can't see Eng winning at home then you are either extremely confident or maybe don't really know much about rugby? I'm not saying Eng will definitely win but I'm certainly not worried about Ireland at Twickenham. Be a good game and England have home advantage.
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13/02/2020 16:02:18 6 9
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Ideal backline would be Care/A.N.OTHER - Farrell- Manu-Slade - May - Nowell - Watson. Anyone got any news as and when Jack Nowell likely to be playing again? I'd also have Ibitoye of Quins in squad, he's been on fire this season. As others have said, like to see Thorley given a run out.
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31 - re bringing players on late against tiring legs - what do I know but does it often make a difference? Everybody does it and it usually reduces a game to chaos. I don’t ever recall seeing one player brought on late winning the game by himself. A great break say isn’t much help if everybody else is too tired to keep up.
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13/02/2020 16:03:39 0 1
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67. G Hughes Interesting in terms of subs winning games, They can put games away from wining positions. England made a come back against France when our replacement front row was better than theirs. Ford helped secure a draw against Scotland. As for the chaos, towards the end of the game it breaks up naturally as loosing team are looking to make it less structured to create opportunity.
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13/02/2020 15:46:59 10 1
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@50. L JAMES BOIII - a team in 6 consecutive U20 world finals ('13-'18) has 'no good talent coming through'. Try to make a meaningful contribution or go back to selling dodgy haggis or rotten leeks... I would rather have Watson back as MT may 'tweak' the injury again & have to go off. Move ED back to FB and bring in Dombrandt What sort of a 'training camp' takes place in central London?
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13/02/2020 16:03:39 4 6
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@ 63 A special one to see all the properties owned by Sarries players ??
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13/02/2020 16:04:59 10 8
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Have Farrell and Youngs been “released back to their clubs“ yet ?
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13/02/2020 16:07:51 6 31
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Hopefully England will play them both against Ireland and they'll both get injured again. I don't want to seem them play against us. We're in a mess at the moment and Pivac needs all the help he can get. At the moment he is wasting Gatlands legacy.
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13/02/2020 16:14:24 8 4
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@80 - that just about sums you up. Hoping English players get injured. A disgrace.
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13/02/2020 16:17:56 7 1
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@80 I don't think you're in a mess. New coach, new ideas take time to bed in. To put it in perspective you got beat in Ire where you have won once in 8 years, even Gatland struggled. As for England, giving both injury returners, Slade and Tuilagi a run may be too much of a risk but it would be nice to see them with Ford at 10. OF is not playing brilliantly at the moment and may need a break.
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13/02/2020 16:10:12 6 7
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“In regards to what has Goode done?“ Goode is the best 10 at Saracens, it’s by far his best position and it is a mystery why anyone thought the very limited Farrell was a better option. Goode started at 10 when he joined the club and was outstanding. He is too slow for an international fullback.
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13/02/2020 16:07:51 6 31
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Hopefully England will play them both against Ireland and they'll both get injured again. I don't want to seem them play against us. We're in a mess at the moment and Pivac needs all the help he can get. At the moment he is wasting Gatlands legacy.
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13/02/2020 16:14:24 8 4
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@80 - that just about sums you up. Hoping English players get injured. A disgrace.
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13/02/2020 16:16:45 8 7
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Tuilagi did a great impression of the invisible man during the World Cup final.
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13/02/2020 15:40:16 1 62
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The useless plodders of the Irish team will feel our wrath. England are mighty and filled with world class operators across the park. We will win the grand slam at a canter. #SwingLow #3Lions
58 Breadbin Should be Rubbish bin!! Removed
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13/02/2020 16:07:51 6 31
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Hopefully England will play them both against Ireland and they'll both get injured again. I don't want to seem them play against us. We're in a mess at the moment and Pivac needs all the help he can get. At the moment he is wasting Gatlands legacy.
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13/02/2020 16:17:56 7 1
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@80 I don't think you're in a mess. New coach, new ideas take time to bed in. To put it in perspective you got beat in Ire where you have won once in 8 years, even Gatland struggled. As for England, giving both injury returners, Slade and Tuilagi a run may be too much of a risk but it would be nice to see them with Ford at 10. OF is not playing brilliantly at the moment and may need a break.
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13/02/2020 16:20:27 25 2
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Manu will play, Slade wont, after 2 months off. Eddie will pick the same 2 nines who are not as good as Dan Robson or Care. Curry will start at 8, even tho Ireland will knock him back all day long and his own coach at Sale thinks its ridiculous. Dombrandt should be in the team. All this because Eddie knows best and will not have the media or experts tell him who to pick. Even if they are right
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13/02/2020 16:22:08 8 0
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100% guarantee he will come off in the first half. How often are the England players magically "ready" in time for a big game to then get reinjured again straight away.
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13/02/2020 16:23:09 4 0
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If Watson is not fit for a couple of weeks then he's unlikely to play any further part in the 6 Nations. Can you send him back to Bath please - you broke Cokanasiga at the World Cup.
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13/02/2020 16:00:57 27 40
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Farrell has the Irish side in great form..The team is buzzing,first 2 home games was a great help to settle everyone in...Like 2 years back in twikkers I can’t see England winning..Ireland by 10 and Jones resigns/sacked at tournament end..
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13/02/2020 16:23:29 1 4
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75. Ireland have had an armchair ride though so far with two home games – a Scottish side that only knows how to lose and a Welsh side with a new coach that isn’t as strong outside Wales. Ireland haven’t played away yet. England haven’t played at home yet. We’ll know who the frontrunners are after R3.
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13/02/2020 16:00:57 27 40
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Farrell has the Irish side in great form..The team is buzzing,first 2 home games was a great help to settle everyone in...Like 2 years back in twikkers I can’t see England winning..Ireland by 10 and Jones resigns/sacked at tournament end..
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13/02/2020 16:23:39 8 6
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@75 - well if you can't see Eng winning at home then you are either extremely confident or maybe don't really know much about rugby? I'm not saying Eng will definitely win but I'm certainly not worried about Ireland at Twickenham. Be a good game and England have home advantage.
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13/02/2020 17:16:57 12 0
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90 Steve Don "I'm not saying Eng will definitely win but I'm certainly not worried about Ireland at Twickenham. Be a good game and England have home advantage." Ireland have a more than decent record at Twickenham in the 6Ns and the best by far of any of the other 6N teams.
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13/02/2020 17:30:33 5 2
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90 Steve D Agree. Apart from Italy who should fear anyone home or away. The 6N is exactly what it is. All the best sides in the Northern Hemisphere. Nothing more.
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13/02/2020 16:23:59 6 5
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I agree with curleydave. Jones might be asked to leave... his brain ingear before he opens his big antipodean mouth
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13/02/2020 16:28:32 9 28
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England gonna walk this six nations, we are the champions!!!!
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13/02/2020 16:31:23 7 6
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Wouldn't it be great if EJ would stop picking Ben Youngs. Heinz is so much better and is fine as a stand in for now, but we should be looking to building our main scrumhalf for 2023. Neither Heinz or Youngs is who we need. Harry Randall. Dan Robson. Stu Townsend. Sam Wolstenholme. Henry Taylor.
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13/02/2020 16:34:05 8 2
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Interesting dynamic for Farrell Jnr if Jones the Mouth starts gobbing off about dads team!
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13/02/2020 15:26:08 15 31
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I do find it amusing how many on HYS are already predicting Wales to be a contender for the wooden spoon this year. Right the Welsh off at your peril as they have a habit of going against the odds and beating the opposition when least expected. Knocking England out of their own WC and beating England last year on the way to the GS. Win or lose the Welsh players will be motivated against England
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@44 I have to correct you but we did not knock Eng out of the 15 world cup Oz delivered the coup de grace. However England should have beaten a severely depleted Wales in the previous game, if they had they would have qualified without having to beat Oz Removed
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13/02/2020 16:38:07 3 1
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If you expect a player to constantly run in to brick walls is it any surprise he is rarely fit? Doubt if he will last 80 minutes in his next game and be out injured in the game after that.
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13/02/2020 16:40:28 6 1
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With the modern game being less than 80 mins - could be a great selection option for England against us. Despite the dreary show in Scotland Ford was excellent. Also like Heinz. Really looking forward to this game as I think this area will decide the game. With Cooney and Murray as options, and the form Henshaw is in, I believe Ireland will just nick it. Should be a belter of a game though.
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13/02/2020 16:43:39 8 2
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Looking forward to this game, should be a cracker, cant call it. Wales to beat France and Italy to win.
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13/02/2020 16:44:20 9 2
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It won't happen, but considering Farrell's form there's an argument for starting both Slade and Tuilagi.
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13/02/2020 16:46:21 11 0
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Would love to see Ford - Manu - Slade. Great attacking threat. Just need a decent 8 and 9.