Gambling on credit cards to be banned
14/01/2020 | news | business | 646
The ban, which starts on 14 April, comes after reviews of the industry by the commission and the government.
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14/01/2020 11:59:17 425 9
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Gambling with money you don’t have should never have been allowed in the first place.
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14/01/2020 11:59:47 131 7
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1/10 odds that the betting companies find a way round this
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14/01/2020 12:15:15 9 5
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1 - Gambling with money you don’t have. Bit like playing the Lotto and buying countless scratch cards on government handouts then.
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14/01/2020 12:23:30 8 1
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@1 "Gambling with money you don’t have should never have been allowed in the first place." Absolutely, this should be extended to share trading (shorting stocks, leveraged buyouts etc) but gambling on shares is called "Banking" 10.5M people gamble online and 22% of those who do so with credit cards are classed as problem gamblers? Why did it take so long to spot the correlation?
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14/01/2020 18:11:54 1 8
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1. "Gambling with money you don’t have should never have been allowed in the first place." Which is apparently the highest rated comment. Yet this is what our entire financial system is based on and is called the stockmarket.
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14/01/2020 11:59:17 425 9
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Gambling with money you don’t have should never have been allowed in the first place.
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14/01/2020 11:59:47 131 7
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1/10 odds that the betting companies find a way round this
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14/01/2020 12:00:58 186 16
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Doesn't go far enough, gambling advertising should be banned once more like tobacco advertising and you should not be liable for gambling debts, the latter will stop them from from taking reckless bets.
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14/01/2020 12:42:19 6 0
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3: "you should not be liable for gambling debts" That'd only encourage the feckless to gamble more, surely? And much like the so-called "kids eat free" offers in pubs, where all the other adult patrons end up paying more to make up the shortfall, responsible gamblers in high-street bookies and other outlets would end up covering any such losses.
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14/01/2020 12:00:58 284 3
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Good. Some people need protecting from themselves. Paying 30% APR on gambling losses is insane. As with many things the internet has made access to gambling too easy (you used to have to walk to a bookies) and TV, especially the ads at football half time are nothing but BET NOW! BET NOW!... then the sport starts again and the teams are sponsored by WONGA.
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14/01/2020 12:03:29 3 1
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@4. Peter_Sym, it will be interesting to see how the big US gambling companies react, especially those based outside the UK. I didn't think Wonga sponsored anything as they have been shut down.
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14/01/2020 12:51:44 2 0
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@4. Yes online betting has made gambling more accessible but lets not forget that out of all the shops on the high street, betting shops are the ones that are still open and seemingly doing well.
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14/01/2020 12:01:08 186 3
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'To be Banned'....why was it ever acceptable? You do not need to be a financial whizz to see borrowing money to bet on a horse or Football Match benefits no one but the bookie and the credit company.
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14/01/2020 12:01:28 150 2
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Very sensible idea. Bad news for the gambling industry. Good news for gamblers trying to get their life under control. Gambling debts and credit card interest rates are a lethal combination.
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14/01/2020 12:06:00 10 1
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6/4 it doesn’t happen.
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MDK
14/01/2020 12:01:28 3 2
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lend us a tenner to put in this fruity?
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14/01/2020 12:01:28 2 3
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Long overdue, but I don't think it gets to the root cause of the problem. We need to be doing more to understand all addictions, is it a sense of unfulfillment in someone's daily life? Or are there genetic elements?
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14/01/2020 14:26:02 7 0
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08. andrewon: Too much Nanny State.....get back to Government and away from civil liberties -------- But this IS good government. Gambling addiction affects the person, their family and the wider population in so many ways. Debt is a problem for the economy, addictions can lead to crime, so anything that curbs such addiction should be applauded, not criticized.
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14/01/2020 12:01:38 3 0
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So 'on line' betting is dead? I'll bet it isn't
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14/01/2020 12:01:38 20 1
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Gambling on credit cards to be banned. Cant happen soon enough. Betting companies have much to answer for in allowing people who can least afford it to gamble on credit with no regard for the pain and suffering it causes to families.
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14/01/2020 12:01:38 45 1
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Absolutely astounds me that is was permitted in the first place. Should never have been allowed. GamStop - give me a break.
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14/01/2020 12:01:58 145 2
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Should never ever have been allowed.
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14/01/2020 12:01:58 57 4
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Cue drinks and snacks now being offered in bookies using credit cards... cashback available.
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14/01/2020 12:02:28 57 3
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I can't buy a lottery ticket with a credit card for all the right reasons so who thought it was a good idea to allow bookmakers to take credit cards?
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14/01/2020 12:02:28 208 5
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It is actually quite difficult to set up an online betting account now as you have to provide the usual anti-money laundering documentation. Upload passports/proof of address. I like a flutter, but these companies have been exploiting the vulnerable (and stupid) for too long. This can only be good thing!
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14/01/2020 12:02:39 5 2
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This is already doomed to failure as there are businesses that provide a service that will allow credit cards to be used to gamble.
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14/01/2020 12:00:58 284 3
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Good. Some people need protecting from themselves. Paying 30% APR on gambling losses is insane. As with many things the internet has made access to gambling too easy (you used to have to walk to a bookies) and TV, especially the ads at football half time are nothing but BET NOW! BET NOW!... then the sport starts again and the teams are sponsored by WONGA.
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14/01/2020 12:03:29 3 1
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@4. Peter_Sym, it will be interesting to see how the big US gambling companies react, especially those based outside the UK. I didn't think Wonga sponsored anything as they have been shut down.
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14/01/2020 12:14:45 5 0
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17. Posted byAvalonon I didn't think Wonga sponsored anything as they have been shut down. -- They went bust but among others sponsored Newcastle united, Hearts and Blackpool shirts. God knows how many hoardings at various grounds. Wonga are gone but there are others still in business.
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14/01/2020 12:03:29 93 6
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This is good news. I have no truck with people that enjoy little flutter now and again. Inexperienced gamblers who discover online gambling can very soon lose everything - including the home, the wife and the kids. At least with this new law people are restricted to gambling what they have - now what they can borrow.
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14/01/2020 12:03:59 44 6
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There should be a wider crackdown than banning credit cards, how about no advertising, no body under 21 allowed, a maximum bet of 10 pounds when done on line. Gambling ruins the lives of the gambler and family members and can take a lifetime to pay off therefore rendering that person unable to have a normal life.. Stop gambling now, its not worth it...
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14/01/2020 12:04:40 32 86
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These measures will stop people getting further and further into a spiral of debt ... Of course, Conservative governments offer no hope and no future for many, and that's why people gamble.
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14/01/2020 12:11:33 39 1
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@20 "Of course, Conservative governments offer no hope and no future for many, and that's why people gamble." So what you're saying is, if the Tories weren't in power then gambling, or at least problem gambling, would no longer happen? So it's got nothing to do with psychological addiction then? Interesting...
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14/01/2020 12:34:05 2 2
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@20. Delfino Maracas These measures will stop people getting further and further into a spiral of debt ... Of course, Conservative governments offer no hope and no future for many, and that's why people gamble. Jobs have been created, enabling people to have self-respect. Grafters will flourish. There'll always be get-rich-quick (with little effort) folk. They'll always take a chance.
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14/01/2020 12:37:06 5 3
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@20 "Of course, Conservative governments offer no hope and no future for many, and that's why people gamble." Labour did their bit when in power to loosen the lead on the gambling companies. But hey, anything for some more fashionable tory-bashing. If the tories solved world peace, you'd still find something to bash them for.
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14/01/2020 13:37:48 6 0
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20 odd years ago, my gambling habits forced me into help of GA. Admittedly I played poker and used cash most of the time, I had to revert back to CCs for online play. 800000 users of CCs is 800000 too many from my personal perspective and experiences.
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14/01/2020 12:04:40 8 0
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'Share prices for betting companies fell in early trading on Tuesday, but then recovered quickly'. Sounds a good idea but apparently little impact. Advertising should be banned as per earlier post
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14/01/2020 12:04:40 3 1
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Don't allow people who abuse a CC once a second chance. Banking services etc should ensure they never get a CC. That would stop it. Feed up with quango's telling me this is bad for me, you can't do that. We are adults, most of us can vote, But abuse a CC no more. You are a danger.
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14/01/2020 12:05:00 10 0
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While on the face of it it looks like a good thing, in reality it's barely a token gesture meant to stave off criticism of one of the UK's fastest growing exploitation rackets. If they know who "problem gamblers" are, shouldn't they just be banned from online gambling rather than just be milked from their debit card? Overdraft isn't much different to credit card when it comes to debt.
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14/01/2020 12:05:10 15 6
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Good. Now let’s ban all betting other than that done in person with cash. Should stop a lot of heartache!
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14/01/2020 12:17:46 7 6
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@24. No. I like the odd flutter online once or twice a month. Why should I and millions of responsible others lose out, because a few halfwits cant control themselves?
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14/01/2020 12:05:10 7 0
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Bookies never lose, and they won't lose this one either, they'll find a way, crypto currency anyone?
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14/01/2020 12:08:01 51 1
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25. Posted by Le Grande on Just now Bookies never lose, and they won't lose this one either, they'll find a way, crypto currency anyone? ___ If you bet with chocolate buttons they'll pay you out in chocolate buttons and remember folks, the house always wins in the end. Never seen a poor bookie but I have seen plenty of poor punters.
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14/01/2020 12:06:00 26 5
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What about gambling on the stock market or gambling on tiny currency fluctuations? Is it not the same?
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14/01/2020 12:12:44 2 0
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26. Posted by Spolmit on 4 minutes ago What about gambling on the stock market or gambling on tiny currency fluctuations? Is it not the same? ___ Life is a Ponzi scheme, make sure your near the top as you don't want to be near the bottom.
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14/01/2020 12:06:00 18 10
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Won’t affect me. I gamble on horses not credit cards.
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14/01/2020 12:01:28 150 2
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Very sensible idea. Bad news for the gambling industry. Good news for gamblers trying to get their life under control. Gambling debts and credit card interest rates are a lethal combination.
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14/01/2020 12:06:00 10 1
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6/4 it doesn’t happen.
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14/01/2020 12:06:00 7 0
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I am amazed this ever allowed in the first place! You would really have to have the "habit" really bad to resort to this type of action.....which surely should have been a Red Flag to anyone from the outset. Surprised that there is no code of conduct in place about responsibility for reviewing/spotting such activity which is so obviously morally wrong on the Gambling companies behalf.
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14/01/2020 12:06:30 58 3
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"Separate Gambling commission research shows that 22% of online gamblers using credit cards are classed as problem gamblers." The above confirms in absolute terms why credit card gambling should be banned. I would go much further and ban ALL advertising and gambling sponsorship. We know its a huge problem in society causing untold misery for many families. The ban cant happen soon enough.
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14/01/2020 12:06:30 6 1
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About time, the government should stick up for people, not big business! Government just seeing tax, not the costs of lives, crime and additional costs like bankruptcy! Also these gambling sites are setup in tax havens anyway like Malta. Incidentally, I see the gambling industry got around the maximum amount of money you can place on roulette already. They have done it by having multiply spins!
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14/01/2020 12:07:01 18 17
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In the olden days of independent bookmakers you would have an account with one of them and you would also have a limit.....probably harder to police these days but it worked. To be honest its not just gambling ( which is fine if you control it).....credit cards are just dangerous full stop because the average person who has one is a cretin and overspends.
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14/01/2020 12:07:01 5 15
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More good news 2020 just gets better and better When will this Jolly January ever end ?
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14/01/2020 12:07:11 129 4
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You never used to be able to gamble on credit cards - I don't know when the law changed but you should never be allowed to take out loans in order to place bets. Gambling is a mugs game and dangerous. t used to be a little sleazy and you had to go to a bookies to place a bet. But now it's everywhere and normalised for young people. Now the ads need banning too. You can't move for them
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14/01/2020 13:44:41 2 0
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@34 - my then-housemate said the same back in 2008. He liked a flutter on the football every now and again, the odd accumulator, but he said online gambling made it far too easy and potentially dangerous. He always said he wanted to "work for [my] betting" by getting out of the house and visiting the bookies in person. He enjoyed the 2 mile walk and says it kept his gambling responsible.
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14/01/2020 12:07:31 6 1
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Let's look at their opening hours maybe make them close half hour after last race
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14/01/2020 12:07:41 15 40
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If there was more peace and love in the world, people wouldn't feel the need to gamble at all.
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14/01/2020 12:07:41 7 2
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Probably the most obvious and easy decision ever made. How this has been allowed previously boggles my mind but I suppose, banks don't care do they? Financial crisis shows this.
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14/01/2020 12:07:41 12 0
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i have been in this circle betting on credit cards in the past, thankfully in 5 years clean, its a desperate state of affairs to be in and when i was in the situation i was in i had no money in my bank and had to rely on that way to fund my addiction
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14/01/2020 12:08:01 7 3
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Those rich footballers are all supported by the poor and those who have been made homeless through gambling or committed suicide because of debt.
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14/01/2020 12:17:06 3 0
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@39 that’s a bit of a generalisation. I’m a match going football supporter. I am neither poor nor homeless through gambling nor am I in debt. I’m pretty certain I’m not the only football supporter with all of those attributes.
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14/01/2020 12:05:10 7 0
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Bookies never lose, and they won't lose this one either, they'll find a way, crypto currency anyone?
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25. Posted by Le Grande on Just now Bookies never lose, and they won't lose this one either, they'll find a way, crypto currency anyone? ___ If you bet with chocolate buttons they'll pay you out in chocolate buttons and remember folks, the house always wins in the end. Never seen a poor bookie but I have seen plenty of poor punters.
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14/01/2020 12:08:41 27 2
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I worked in London casinos for over 35 years, back then it was controled by the then Gaming Board they had such strong powers and rules and were feared by the casinos and betting shops. After the Blair goverment got in they changed the rules and eased restrictions on on gambling to the extent that casinos and betting shops could do as they wished betting using credit cards was not permited.
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14/01/2020 12:09:02 11 1
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I assumed this already wasn’t allowed - Can’t believe it is. You can’t pay off your credit card bill using a different credit card (quite rightly) but currently you can punt £500 on the 3.30 at Haydock. Utterly mental
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14/01/2020 12:31:04 4 1
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42. Posted by Brentism on 20 minutes ago You can’t pay off your credit card bill using a different credit card (quite rightly) -- Yes you can, it's called a balance transfer. You generally get offered better rates for doing it.
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14/01/2020 12:09:22 20 1
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Good...I'm frankly astonished that it was allowed the first place!
Small beer in the grand scheme of things. When will then ban the Government from Gambling with our countries future with a damaging Brexit? Removed
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14/01/2020 13:32:15 4 3
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44. Posted byjust a thought "... When will then ban the Government from Gambling with our countries future with a damaging Brexit?" Give it a rest will you. You are clearly the minority in that view given the landslide victory for the Tories in December. BTW Did you read the article from Airbus just a few days ago saying there is now great potential for growth ? I guess not.
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14/01/2020 13:47:13 0 1
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44. Posted byjust a thought "Give it a rest will you. You are clearly the minority in that view given the landslide victory for the Tories in December. Did you read the article from Airbus ...saying there is great potential for growth ? " Tories got in on a lower share of votes than remain in 2016, just sayin' Potential isn't reality. That will depend on tariffs etc - it didn't b4 Brexit.
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14/01/2020 12:09:42 2 0
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Denise Coates CBE will find a way around this. There is bound to be an indirect solution they will find. Not that this is not a good move. It is, but not the end of the road.
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14/01/2020 12:09:52 6 0
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this has to be a good thing, if you don't have the money you cannot spend it. however it will not stop people drawing cash down from their credit cards and putting into the bank to then spend. it will stop the gambler who is desperately chasing loses at night
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14/01/2020 12:10:53 11 0
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People could simply use credit cards to make cash withdrawals and then gamble with that.
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14/01/2020 12:10:53 7 2
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Good idea, im surprised it was ever allowed. Gambling is a blight on many a life.
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14/01/2020 12:11:23 2 2
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I bet that won’t work
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14/01/2020 12:11:23 11 2
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A friend of mine lost his house betting at home. It's time gambling was made harder to participate in.
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14/01/2020 12:11:23 4 1
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good
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14/01/2020 12:04:40 32 86
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These measures will stop people getting further and further into a spiral of debt ... Of course, Conservative governments offer no hope and no future for many, and that's why people gamble.
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14/01/2020 12:11:33 39 1
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@20 "Of course, Conservative governments offer no hope and no future for many, and that's why people gamble." So what you're saying is, if the Tories weren't in power then gambling, or at least problem gambling, would no longer happen? So it's got nothing to do with psychological addiction then? Interesting...
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14/01/2020 12:14:14 1 4
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52. Adam Collinson So what you're saying is, if the Tories weren't in power then gambling, or at least problem gambling, would no longer happen? So it's got nothing to do with psychological addiction then? Interesting... ---- It's an addiction which is intensified under the conditions imposed by a Conservative government, such as austerity (i.e. the re-distribution of money from poor to rich)
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14/01/2020 12:12:03 3 1
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When the general rule of thumb is "don't gamble what you can't afford to lose"... this law in a no brainer.
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14/01/2020 12:12:03 2 0
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Obviously a sensible move. People using credit cards to gamble have a serious, damaging problem. However, as with credit card protection which kicks in when buy faulty goods or get ripped off by a dodgy vendor - can you use it to claim that your bet didn't pay out as advertised?!!!!
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14/01/2020 12:12:23 1 0
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There was a case where a burglar stole a wallet from a house, he then used a credit card to place a bet on a horse, the horse won at 25-1 netting the burglar over £2,600 or so he thought... he was only caught when he went to collect the "winnings"
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14/01/2020 12:12:23 5 22
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So, punishing the 78% of gamblers that use credit cards that are not problem gamblers & making people spend even more money than they might want to to buy a lottery ticket.... How is this helping people?
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14/01/2020 12:06:00 26 5
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What about gambling on the stock market or gambling on tiny currency fluctuations? Is it not the same?
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26. Posted by Spolmit on 4 minutes ago What about gambling on the stock market or gambling on tiny currency fluctuations? Is it not the same? ___ Life is a Ponzi scheme, make sure your near the top as you don't want to be near the bottom.
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14/01/2020 12:12:44 3 2
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Online betting should be limited to £10 per bet whether it's horses, football or roulette. And £10 per minute. Just like the restriction on commenting on HYS, those that would like to do it more often and in larger amounts than is allowed are least suited to doing so.
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14/01/2020 12:12:54 1 1
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Why was it ever allowed. Oh that's right, tax. My bad. Carry on.
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14/01/2020 12:13:14 2 5
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Simple. Make the credit card provider liable for all costs above the card holder's credit limit.
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14/01/2020 12:13:44 4 3
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But isn't this what the investment bankers do all the time? Invest with money they don't actually have.
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14/01/2020 12:13:44 4 2
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We also had promises from the Tories that advertising on TV would be restricted until after the watershed, yet it continues unabated on day-time TV.
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14/01/2020 12:14:04 2 2
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##People who sign up for Gamstop are prevented from using British gambling websites and apps for a chosen period of time.## Seems a flaw here that may apply to the credit card use. 'British' gambling sites. So the addicts will just use non UK based sites. Presumably they will have to use a debit card? Run up the overdraft instead? Or is it wheelbarrows of cash? Cheques?
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14/01/2020 12:11:33 39 1
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@20 "Of course, Conservative governments offer no hope and no future for many, and that's why people gamble." So what you're saying is, if the Tories weren't in power then gambling, or at least problem gambling, would no longer happen? So it's got nothing to do with psychological addiction then? Interesting...
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52. Adam Collinson So what you're saying is, if the Tories weren't in power then gambling, or at least problem gambling, would no longer happen? So it's got nothing to do with psychological addiction then? Interesting... ---- It's an addiction which is intensified under the conditions imposed by a Conservative government, such as austerity (i.e. the re-distribution of money from poor to rich)
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14/01/2020 12:18:37 8 1
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64. Delfino Maracas "It's an addiction which is intensified under the conditions imposed by a Conservative government, such as austerity (i.e. the re-distribution of money from poor to rich)" Actually the gambling laws were relaxed by Labour in the 2000's, which was commented on at the time as being somewhat odd. Friends in high places don't have any genuine political beliefs it seems.
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14/01/2020 12:22:59 4 0
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@64 "It's an addiction which is intensified under the conditions imposed by a Conservative government..." So you've gone from saying people gamble because of a Tory government to now saying that gambling is only "intensified" due to a Tory government. They are not the same thing. By the way, do you have any stats on gambling between 1997-2010 under a Labour govt. to support your argument?
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14/01/2020 12:14:24 12 59
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Once again a minority spoil it for everyone else. So a debit card it is. How many today use cash?. The nanny state expands. People have to be responsible for their own actions and life styles.
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14/01/2020 12:03:29 3 1
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@4. Peter_Sym, it will be interesting to see how the big US gambling companies react, especially those based outside the UK. I didn't think Wonga sponsored anything as they have been shut down.
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17. Posted byAvalonon I didn't think Wonga sponsored anything as they have been shut down. -- They went bust but among others sponsored Newcastle united, Hearts and Blackpool shirts. God knows how many hoardings at various grounds. Wonga are gone but there are others still in business.
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14/01/2020 12:14:55 8 1
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Gambling is a cancer to some people that needs to be treated - and this is a good starting point
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14/01/2020 12:14:55 28 2
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It's a pity the headline doesn't say "Gambling to be banned" .. seriously over 2 million with a problem is terrible.
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14/01/2020 12:14:55 13 2
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When will these sad individuals realise that the odds are ALWAYS stacked against them? This is why these betting companies rake in billions each year, and it's all from the hard earned cash from weak minded people.
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14/01/2020 11:59:17 425 9
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Gambling with money you don’t have should never have been allowed in the first place.
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14/01/2020 12:15:15 9 5
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1 - Gambling with money you don’t have. Bit like playing the Lotto and buying countless scratch cards on government handouts then.
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14/01/2020 12:18:47 5 2
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@70. Posted by Astralcharmer A DWP payment belongs to the claimant. It is there's to do as they wish. As long as it is legal it's fine.
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14/01/2020 12:15:15 10 13
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I think people should be able to reclaim all gambling losses over a certain amount. It's not a business, it's stealing from the vulnerable.
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14/01/2020 12:15:45 10 77
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Welcome to Boris's nanny state, where the sensible majority are penalised by the stupid few.
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14/01/2020 15:13:06 9 0
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#72 "Welcome to Boris's nanny state, where the sensible majority are penalised by the stupid few." In what bizarre alternative universe could gamblers be labelled as "sensible"? Gambling is a mug's game, period.
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14/01/2020 12:15:45 41 2
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Surely there is no reasonable argument against this proposal? Why hasn't it been so for a long time already?
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14/01/2020 12:15:45 6 2
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They need to take it one step further. Online gambling and betting shops can only take a special card. That card can only be topped up by your main bank account and only by 10% of your monthly income. Any other gambling debts are then declared illegal and any money lending for gambling is considered as a serious crime. Trying to recover such debts is extortion.
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14/01/2020 12:18:06 4 4
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74. Ken Ton They need to take it one step further. Online gambling and betting shops can only take a special card. That card can only be topped up by your main bank account and only by 10% of your monthly income. Any other gambling debts are then declared illegal and any money lending for gambling is considered as a serious crime. what next 2 pint maximum, 4 fags, 1 chocolate bar
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14/01/2020 12:16:15 4 1
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Very good idea, but I imagine people will draw cash on their credit cards, pay it into their current account, and use their debit card.
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14/01/2020 12:16:26 57 6
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If there's one 'industry' that the world doesn't need,it's gambling. These shysters are worse than drug dealers and the whole industry should be shut down.
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14/01/2020 12:08:01 7 3
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Those rich footballers are all supported by the poor and those who have been made homeless through gambling or committed suicide because of debt.
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@39 that’s a bit of a generalisation. I’m a match going football supporter. I am neither poor nor homeless through gambling nor am I in debt. I’m pretty certain I’m not the only football supporter with all of those attributes.
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14/01/2020 12:17:16 1 1
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Whilst it definitely helps those with gambling problems, to some extent some tactical play is lost. I knew people before who would make large bets using credit cards with the matched betting technique, and make incredibly minor bettings gains and scoop up the points for air miles etc
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good
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14/01/2020 12:05:10 15 6
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Good. Now let’s ban all betting other than that done in person with cash. Should stop a lot of heartache!
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@24. No. I like the odd flutter online once or twice a month. Why should I and millions of responsible others lose out, because a few halfwits cant control themselves?
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14/01/2020 12:17:46 8 17
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You naughty girls and boys, big brother is watching you and he's going to tell you how to spend your money. What did you expect - freedom? In the land of the free? What's more, he's going to tell you what to eat, drink and breath. Hoorah.
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81. SirRoyston But if you are spending credit card money, you aren't spending your money, you are spending someone else's money. That's the point. If you have the money to gamble, then gamble. If you don't, don't.
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So now you'll take a cash balance transfer into your bank account and use the money that way. The credit card companies quite like people owing money and they won't want to miss out.
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14/01/2020 12:15:45 6 2
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They need to take it one step further. Online gambling and betting shops can only take a special card. That card can only be topped up by your main bank account and only by 10% of your monthly income. Any other gambling debts are then declared illegal and any money lending for gambling is considered as a serious crime. Trying to recover such debts is extortion.
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74. Ken Ton They need to take it one step further. Online gambling and betting shops can only take a special card. That card can only be topped up by your main bank account and only by 10% of your monthly income. Any other gambling debts are then declared illegal and any money lending for gambling is considered as a serious crime. what next 2 pint maximum, 4 fags, 1 chocolate bar
ALL JUST PART OF THE NANNEY STATE INTERFERRING IN MAH PERSONAL PRIVATE LIFE INIT! THIS MUST BE RESISTED AT ALL COSTS, AND IS PART OF DA REASON I DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE LAYBER PARTEY. Removed
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14/01/2020 12:18:16 6 4
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The one thing that should be banned on credit cards is the exorbitant interest rates that are charged when the Bank of England rate is so low and interest on cash and deposit accounts is almost non existent. I'll bet more money is taken from credit card users in interest charges than is lost by gamblers.
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14/01/2020 12:33:25 8 0
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85 Inchindown. If you are paying huge interest rates then you are living over your limit. Budget yourself to what you need not on what you want. I am on a state pension and have to do it.
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14/01/2020 12:18:37 8 0
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what shouldn't be allowed to happen is that the gambling company's to open site after site after site all under the same owner group all called different names and online too max per spin should be 50p or even less
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14/01/2020 12:18:37 9 3
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Hard to see what benefit gambling is to society, the only folks who win are the bookies/gambling companies (witness Bet 365 CEO). Why not just bite the bullet and ban it completely and block overseas companies on-line. Yes there will no doubt be underground practices set up but the bulk of the 24m will not seek them out.
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14/01/2020 12:14:14 1 4
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52. Adam Collinson So what you're saying is, if the Tories weren't in power then gambling, or at least problem gambling, would no longer happen? So it's got nothing to do with psychological addiction then? Interesting... ---- It's an addiction which is intensified under the conditions imposed by a Conservative government, such as austerity (i.e. the re-distribution of money from poor to rich)
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64. Delfino Maracas "It's an addiction which is intensified under the conditions imposed by a Conservative government, such as austerity (i.e. the re-distribution of money from poor to rich)" Actually the gambling laws were relaxed by Labour in the 2000's, which was commented on at the time as being somewhat odd. Friends in high places don't have any genuine political beliefs it seems.
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14/01/2020 12:21:48 1 1
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@88. Posted by Hubert Cumberdale New Labour were the closest political party ideologywise to the errr Conservatives. Hence the adoption of Conservative policies during the late 90s. They cannot be sensibly compared to present day Labour.
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14/01/2020 12:15:15 9 5
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1 - Gambling with money you don’t have. Bit like playing the Lotto and buying countless scratch cards on government handouts then.
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14/01/2020 12:18:47 5 2
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@70. Posted by Astralcharmer A DWP payment belongs to the claimant. It is there's to do as they wish. As long as it is legal it's fine.
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14/01/2020 12:18:57 5 4
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Predictable "nanny state" complaints in here. While most of us maybe be reasonable in terms of gambling, some are not and they are mostly the ones least able to afford their losses. That translates to social problems of all sorts and is a cost to the rest of us in terms of taxes, NHS etc. So spare us your masturbatory "nanny state" moans and just accept that measures like this make good sense.
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14/01/2020 12:21:18 4 3
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90. Posted byCityBoyCityBoyon Just now Predictable "nanny state" complaints in here. While most of us maybe be reasonable in terms of gambling, some are not and they are mostly the ones least able to afford their losses same goes for drinkers and fast food, most are responsible but some are not so punish everyone for the few, lets shut all pubs and restaurants
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14/01/2020 12:19:37 6 2
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"What about gambling on the stock market or gambling on tiny currency fluctuations? Is it not the same?" --- Simple answer is no to the first, maybe to the second. The Stock Market is no more a gamble than crossing the road is a gamble, your Pension is dependent on that gamble and it's based on real assets and long term earning potential.
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14/01/2020 12:19:37 16 4
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People wanting to gamble should have to do it by going into a betting shop/bingo hall/lottery reseller etc. Total ban on all advertising of gambling, particularly during live sporting events is urgently required. No right minded person will ever believe that gambling will make you richer and adverts telling you it will should be illegal. Denise Coates salary tells you all you need to know.
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14/01/2020 12:19:37 25 3
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Managed to watch a few footy games over Xmas via Amazon prime and was gob smacked at how much of the electronic hoardings round the ground displayed gambling related ads virtually non stop. The addicts are bombarded non stop. Akin to holding an AA meeting in the pub.
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14/01/2020 12:19:47 36 8
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And which party deregulated gambling in 2005? None other than our good old friends Bliar and Gormless Gordon.
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14/01/2020 12:20:28 13 4
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Sorry to the gamblers out there but GOOD ! Paying interest on gambling losses is just nuts ! Next ban internet gambling and all those stupid adverts on TV.
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14/01/2020 12:20:48 18 0
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Gambling: well something had to replace smoking to swell the Treasury’s coffers. Gambling is the new smoking.
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14/01/2020 12:21:18 2 0
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This is just a way for the credit card companies to make more money, problem gamblers will just get cash advances on their credit cards & gamble with that = more money to card companies than before ban.
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14/01/2020 12:18:57 5 4
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Predictable "nanny state" complaints in here. While most of us maybe be reasonable in terms of gambling, some are not and they are mostly the ones least able to afford their losses. That translates to social problems of all sorts and is a cost to the rest of us in terms of taxes, NHS etc. So spare us your masturbatory "nanny state" moans and just accept that measures like this make good sense.
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90. Posted byCityBoyCityBoyon Just now Predictable "nanny state" complaints in here. While most of us maybe be reasonable in terms of gambling, some are not and they are mostly the ones least able to afford their losses same goes for drinkers and fast food, most are responsible but some are not so punish everyone for the few, lets shut all pubs and restaurants
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It's a start at least.
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64. Delfino Maracas "It's an addiction which is intensified under the conditions imposed by a Conservative government, such as austerity (i.e. the re-distribution of money from poor to rich)" Actually the gambling laws were relaxed by Labour in the 2000's, which was commented on at the time as being somewhat odd. Friends in high places don't have any genuine political beliefs it seems.
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@88. Posted by Hubert Cumberdale New Labour were the closest political party ideologywise to the errr Conservatives. Hence the adoption of Conservative policies during the late 90s. They cannot be sensibly compared to present day Labour.
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14/01/2020 12:25:21 1 1
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100.manwithaview1 @88. Posted by Hubert Cumberdale "New Labour were the closest political party ideologywise to the errr Conservatives. Hence the adoption of Conservative policies during the late 90s. They cannot be sensibly compared to present day Labour." True. They were electable back then. And this is coming from someone who DESPISES the current government.